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  • Seshmeister
    ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

    • Oct 2003
    • 35766

    Pope Francis Kidnapping Controversy

    You sometimes begin to wonder about the judgement of the supernatural holy ghost when he enters the cardinals to help them choose these guys...



    Pope Francis Kidnapping Controversy: Jorge Mario Bergoglio Accused Of Involvement In 1976 Abductions



    The election of Pope Francis, previously Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, has resurfaced a decades-old controversy surrounding the kidnappings of two Jesuit priests.

    Bergoglio was a high-ranking official in the Society of Jesus of Argentina when a military junta was installed in the South American country in 1976. According to the Los Angeles Times, priests Orlando Yorio and Francisco Jalics were kidnapped in May of that year by the navy. "They surfaced five months later, drugged and seminude, in a field," the Times reported. A 2005 lawsuit accused Bergoglio of unspecified involvement in the abductions. Reuters explains that "the military government secretly jailed [Yorio and Jalics] for their work in poor neighborhoods."

    A spokesman for Bergoglio called the claims "old slander."

    Reuters has more details:
    According to "The Silence," a book written by journalist Horacio Verbitsky, Bergoglio withdrew his order's protection of the two men after they refused to quit visiting the slums, which ultimately paved the way for their capture.
    Verbitsky's book is based on statements by Orlando Yorio, one of the kidnapped Jesuits, before he died of natural causes in 2000. Both of the abducted clergymen survived five months of imprisonment.

    "History condemns him. It shows him to be opposed to all innovation in the Church and above all, during the dictatorship, it shows he was very cozy with the military," Fortunato Mallimacci, the former dean of social sciences at the Universidad de Buenos Aires, once said.

    Those who defend Bergoglio say there is no proof behind these claims and, on the contrary, they say the priest helped many dissidents escape during the military junta's rule.
    Per the Associated Press, "Yorio accused Bergoglio of effectively handing them over to the death squads by declining to tell the regime that he endorsed their work. Jalics refused to discuss it after moving into seclusion in a German monastery." Bergoglio discussed the incident with Sergio Rubin, his authorized biographer.

    More from AP:
    Both men were freed after Bergoglio took extraordinary, behind-the-scenes action to save them – including persuading dictator Jorge Videla's family priest to call in sick so that he could say Mass in the junta leader's home, where he privately appealed for mercy. His intervention likely saved their lives, but Bergoglio never shared the details until Rubin interviewed him for the 2010 biography.
    Bergoglio testified about the matter in 2010 after twice refusing to appear in open court, but "his answers were evasive, human rights attorney Myriam Bregman said."
  • Seshmeister
    ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

    • Oct 2003
    • 35766

    #2
    Apparently when they go in to choose the new pope they are completely separated from the outside world, and some would say reality.

    I think it is maybe time for them to at least have an internet connection so they can double check which scandal goes with which cardinal and weigh it up. Most of these guys would have retired in any other profession, they can't be expected to remember which of them raped children and which are the fascist tyrant helpers so they can make a considered choice.

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    • FORD
      ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

      • Jan 2004
      • 59657

      #3
      Malloy was just talking about this.... the guy who archives his show for YouTube is from Buenos Aries and filled him in on this new "holy" assclown.

      HuffPo must have just now put this article up because I did a search about 10 minutes ago and could only find articles kissing NuPope's ass.

      And here we thought a fucking Hitler Youth member who actively participated in covering up for pedophiles was as bad as it could get??


      I'm hoping that St. Malachy's prophecy comes true and this douche really is the last Pope. Because it apparently only goes downhill from here......
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      • Seshmeister
        ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

        • Oct 2003
        • 35766

        #4
        Maybe Katina our Argentinian poster will be able to fill us in but the minute I saw he was from Argentina and in his 70s I thought that there would be big skeletons in his closet.

        The catholic church is always conservative and with the establishment. Any guy coming out of one of the South American dictatorships of the 1970s is very unlikely to have clean hands...

        For the record while the previous pope was a cunt of the highest order the one thing I'm not sure we can pin on him is the Nazi youth membership as it was effectively compulsory at the time and he and his family seem not to have been Nazi supporters.
        Last edited by Seshmeister; 03-13-2013, 09:55 PM.

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        • Nitro Express
          DIAMOND STATUS
          • Aug 2004
          • 32942

          #5
          I often wonder how much the vatican would be worth if you sold everything at auction.
          No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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          • Headly1984
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            • Jul 2011
            • 364

            #6
            The Holy Sea is in better shape tonight than it has been in yrs ..

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            • FORD
              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

              • Jan 2004
              • 59657

              #7
              Originally posted by Headly1984
              The Holy Sea is in better shape tonight than it has been in yrs ..
              Seriously??

              I get (from your previous posts on the subject) that you're a committed Catholic and plan on remaining loyal to the church, but how can you realistically say that a guy who enabled (and partnered with) bloody fascist military dictatorships is the best choice to be God's supposed Earthly representative.

              1.2 Billion Catholics and this is really the best they could do?
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              "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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              • FORD
                ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                • Jan 2004
                • 59657

                #8
                Eat Us And Smile

                Cenk For America 2024!!

                Justice Democrats


                "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                • jhale667
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 20929

                  #9
                  So much for this being anything other than "same sh*t different pope".
                  Originally posted by conmee
                  If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

                  That is all.

                  Icon.
                  Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
                  I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


                  Originally posted by Isaac R.
                  Then it's really true??

                  The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

                  OMFG...who in their right mind...???
                  Originally posted by eddie78
                  I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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                  • Seshmeister
                    ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                    • Oct 2003
                    • 35766

                    #10
                    It's such bullshit the way this is being spun in some quarters as a great radical appointment.

                    Is he willing to change the slaughter caused by the ludicrous anti condom policy in Africa?
                    No

                    Is he willing to stop promoting bigotry against gay people?
                    No which is pretty ironic since his predecessor and the majority of priests are patently gay, practicing or not.

                    Is he going to address the unnatural policy of celibacy of priests so that they can be less obsessed with sex and act more like normal people?
                    No

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                    • Headly1984
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                      • Jul 2011
                      • 364

                      #11
                      Why the first Jesuit pope is a big deal


                      By Caleb Bell| Religion News Service, Updated: Thursday, March 14, 5:21 PM

                      Jesuits are bound by oath not to seek higher office in the Roman Catholic Church, and now one of them has been elected to its highest office: Bishop of Rome, Vicar of Christ, Pontifex Maximus.

                      Pope Francis, the first Jesuit to become pope, not only represents a paradox for the papacy, but also the larger history of the Society of Jesus, as the Jesuits are formally known.

                      “On the one hand, Jesuits aren’t supposed to be in positions of authority,” said the Rev. Joseph Fessio, a Jesuit and founder of Ignatius Press. “On the other hand, they’re supposed to be obedient to the church.”

                      The Jesuits have played a key role in the history of the church. For centuries, they have served as its leading missionaries, founded its most prestigious universities and committed themselves to alleviating the deepest poverty.

                      St. Ignatius Loyola, a Spanish soldier, founded the order in 1540 after being wounded in battle and having a religious conversion during his convalescence. Jesuits are sometimes known as “God’s Marines,” after Loyola’s military history, and their missions worldwide.

                      Yet despite their prominence — at 18,000 members, they are the church’s largest religious order — Jesuits have had a complicated history with the institutional church and the hierarchy in Rome. With the first Jesuit pope, things just got a bit more complicated.

                      With their emphasis on missions work and intellectual pursuits, Jesuits often work on the margins of the church, sometimes overstepping boundaries set by Rome. It’s a point of pride among some Jesuits that they frequently challenge authority and seem to have a predisposition for coloring outside the lines.

                      “Since their founding, Jesuits have consistently offended people ... But if there’s a barricade in the street, there’s going to be a Jesuit on both sides of that barricade,” said David Collins, a history professor at Georgetown University.

                      The left-leaning liberation theology movement that swept across Latin America in the 1970s and 1980s — including Francis’ native Argentina, where he headed the Jesuit order from 1973 to 1979 — is just one example. Bergoglio opposed it; many of his priests openly supported it.

                      Here in the United States, the New York-based Jesuit magazine America frequently challenges the hierarchy, so much so that one of Pope Benedict XVI’s first acts after his election was to order the removal of the Rev. Thomas Reese as editor.

                      “This is all new ground,” Reese said Thursday in Rome, where he’s working as an analyst on the papal transition for National Catholic Reporter.

                      “We never had a Jesuit pope, so I think we are all trying to figure out how this works, and it was a total surprise to everybody: surprise to the Jesuits, surprise to the media, probably a surprise to Pope Francis. This is something we’ll just work out as time goes on.”

                      Jesuits have also been accused of wielding too much influence, a concern that led Pope Clement XIV to suppress the order in the 1700s. (Pope Pius VII restored the society in 1814.) The Superior General of the Jesuits is informally known as “the Black Pope” because of the power the position has held in the past.

                      In the early 1980s, when the Jesuit Superior General was sidelined by a stroke, Pope John Paul II stepped in with his own appointee, rather than allow the Jesuits to elect their own leader.

                      “That was his right as pope, but it still discouraged many Jesuits at the time, said the Rev. James Martin, an editor at America and the author of “The Jesuit Guide to (Almost) Everything.” ‘’With a Jesuit pope, that cloud has been, if not removed, then lifted much higher.”

                      Patrick Hornbeck, a theology professor at Jesuit-run Fordham University in New York, said Jesuits are accustomed to the tensions.

                      “Jesuits are on the frontiers and in the heart of the Catholic church,” he said. “And when you’re doing work on the margins, there’s going to be some natural friction with what’s happening in the center.”

                      Normally, if a Jesuit is appointed a bishop, he must first seek permission from his Jesuit superiors before he can accept the job. So what happens when a Jesuit is tapped to be pope?

                      “Most people think when the College of Cardinals comes and asks you to take on a job, that’s the voice of God telling you this is your new mission in life,” Reese said. “It’s pretty hard to say no to that.”

                      Collins said he hopes that new pope will bring some of his Jesuit training and tradition to bear during his papacy.

                      “Jesuits work hard to cultivate spiritual depth, and pragmatism. We get a glimpse of a little bit of that in (Bergoglio’s) time as bishop. He has a vision of simplicity and connection with the poor and marginalized,” Collins said. “I hope another part of what shapes his papacy is that pragmatic, let’s-get-it-done attitude.”

                      (Alessandro Speciale contributed to this report from Vatican City)

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                      Amazing how much press Catholics get in the US media but very few articles on Jewish or Muslim news - I read Haaretz and Jerusalem Post to keep an eye on what is up in the middle east - oh boy those Jews are a good read lol! Lots of strong opinions in those papers

                      - if a US paper reprinted some of those stories domestically .. Jewish news just might stir some people up like all the Catholic coverage does - there is so little coverage of Jewish issues it is like an out of sight out of mind scenario in the USA .. Catholics are fair game and get a whole lot of attention tho'
                      Last edited by Headly1984; 03-14-2013, 06:45 PM.

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                      • Headly1984
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                        • Jul 2011
                        • 364

                        #12
                        Israel flew a plane into Syria and committed an act of war by bombing a research facility last month ?

                        is that better than a kidnapping ? or worse or different ? or it was just ?

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                        • Headly1984
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                          • Jul 2011
                          • 364

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Seshmeister
                          It's such bullshit the way this is being spun in some quarters as a great radical appointment.

                          Is he willing to change the slaughter caused by the ludicrous anti condom policy in Africa?
                          No - What control does the Church have over government policy ?

                          Is he willing to stop promoting bigotry against gay people?
                          No which is pretty ironic since his predecessor and the majority of priests are patently gay, practicing or not.- google gay scandal - the gays got weeded out of the holy Sea very recently - Do Muslims or all Jews support gays

                          Is he going to address the unnatural policy of celibacy of priests so that they can be less obsessed with sex and act more like normal people? - that is crap - how can a parish afford to support the cost of priests and their children ? Who NEEDS sex? - lots of married people go w/o it lol!!
                          No

                          yawn..

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                          • FORD
                            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

                            • Jan 2004
                            • 59657

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Headly1984
                            Israel flew a plane into Syria and committed an act of war by bombing a research facility last month ?

                            is that better than a kidnapping ? or worse or different ? or it was just ?
                            If you're arguing that Benji NuttyYahoo is a terrorist piece of shit, then I would agree with you.

                            But he's not running for Pope, so I'm not sure what that has to do with anything in this thread.
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                            "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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                            • Headly1984
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                              • Jul 2011
                              • 364

                              #15
                              Originally posted by FORD
                              If you're arguing that Benji NuttyYahoo is a terrorist piece of shit, then I would agree with you.

                              But he's not running for Pope, so I'm not sure what that has to do with anything in this thread.
                              amount of coverage of Catholic news v. Muslim or Jewish news

                              the more something is talked about the more it generates more press - Jewish news stays under US radar and the press is scared of radical muslim to cover Muslim news

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