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Hardrock69
07-01-2013, 09:38 AM
So if he was so "innocent", why pay out such sums?

Fucking pervert.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/michael-jackson-paid-23million-buying-2011662


Michael Jackson paid £23MILLION buying silence of at least TWO DOZEN young boys he abused over 15 years
30 Jun 2013 11:21

Secret FBI files exclusively seen by the Sunday People reveal how superstar bought off parents and victims


Secret FBI files exclusively seen by the Sunday People reveal Michael Jackson spent £23million buying the silence of at least two dozen young boys he abused over 15 years.

The documents – case numbers CADCE MJ-02463 and CR 01046 – were not passed on to prosecutors in the King of Pop’s 2005 trial, when he was cleared of molesting a child.

But they throw a disturbing new light on the megastar’s insistence he never laid a finger on any of the scores of kids he invited to his home for unsupervised sleep-overs.

Agents have thousands of pages of evidence dating back to 1989 indicating Jacko groomed and molested children – sometimes right under the noses of their starstruck parents.

The FBI files include private investigators’ reports, phone transcripts and hours of audio tapes.

They describe how the Thriller hit-maker was once caught by a member of his household staff groping a world-famous child star, watching porn films while molesting another boy and fondling the genitals of a third in his private cinema.

The mother of one of the youngsters was sitting two or three rows in front of them at the time – unaware of the vile abuse her son was suffering.

Ironically, many of the damning reports in the FBI collection had been commissioned by Jacko himself.

Terrified the parents of boys who spent nights with him at his Neverland ranch might go to the cops or expose him in the media, the desperate singer hired “private eye to the stars” Anthony Pellicano to target potential skeletons in his closet – and make sure they stayed out of the limelight.

But when Pellicano was investigated himself in 2002 for bugging Hollywood stars such as Sylvester Stallone, the FBI seized all his files – including many about Jackson. It is copies of these to which the Sunday People has had exclusive access.

The latest revelations about Jacko’s lurid past come as his private life is once again in the spotlight – even though four years have passed since he died from heart failure aged 50.

His family are currently suing gig promoters AEG Live for £26billion, claiming they hired Dr Conrad Murray, who gave Jacko the dose of the anaesthetic propofol that killed him.

AEG deny employing Murray, now serving a four-year jail term for involuntary manslaughter.

The files will also dismay Jacko’s kids Prince, 16, Paris, 15, and 11-year-old Blanket, who have not yet come to terms with losing their father.

In fact, Paris tried to kill herself by slashing her wrists just three weeks ago and is still in hospital.

But there is yet more shocking news for the singer’s family – Jackson’s former child pal Wade Robson, a dancer and once one of his most stalwart defenders, has just launched a major lawsuit against his estate.

Robson, now 30, claims he was often molested at Neverland during his regular visits to the infamous ranch during the 1990s.

The Aussie-born choreographer for pop stars such as Britney Spears and Demi Lovato claims the abuse started when he was only seven and continued until he was 14.

The files seen by this newspaper appear to confirm Robson’s claim to be one of many child victims who were invited to fulfil Jackson’s sick fantasies at his isolated playground in the Californian countryside.

Pellicano is now behind bars serving a 15-year jail sentence for racketeering and wire-tapping.

But one of his senior snoops – who worked extensively on the Jackson case – has broken his silence to speak exclusively to the Sunday People.

The investigator, whose name we are withholding, said he was among those quizzed by FBI agents probing his old boss. And he kept copies of many of the Jackson documents now held in the bureau’s archives.

The paedophile allegations – sandwiched between thousands of pages of information about Jackson, his career and his accusers – include interviews with ex-aides who claim their boss was fixated with child porn.

The files name 17 boys – including five child actors and two dancers – Jacko singled out for abuse.

Other kids the singer preyed on include a European boy and the sons of a screenwriter.

At least three boys got hush-money, the investigator said, with the family of one well-known young film actor *being given £392,000 “to refrain from any and all contact with media and communications, newspapers, television, radio, film and books”.

The gagging order also insisted there would not be any attempt now or in the future to “extort, intimidate, harass or impede” the Jackson organisation.

A maid who worked for the singer at Neverland was said to have been paid off with about £1.3million after complaining her son had been abused by her employer. And the investigator told of one shocking case of a mother who knew her young son was being molested by Jackson “but turned a blind eye to it because if it didn’t bother him, it didn’t bother her”.

Many of the files on the victims – whose names are not being published for legal reasons – were originally pulled together by lawyers drawing up a list of a potential threats to Jackson’s paedophile secret in the early 1990s.

The legal team was scrambled after the dentist dad of 13-year-old Jordan Chandler went public with claims his son had been abused – opening the door to a string of accusations involving other kids.

The sleuth who worked for Pellicano said: “Around 1993 things were really heating up. The suggestions were Jordie was not the only victim. The momentum became so great Jackson needed a private investigator to go straight for the jugular and produce results.

“His actress friend Elizabeth Taylor encouraged him to hire Pellicano *because she had used him to stop dirt on her drug problems being released in the media – Pellicano was a master of negotiation and keeping stars’ *reputations clean.

“I was hired by him to find out where the fires needed putting out and, in this case, where allegations would be coming from.

“But I have never worked on a case with as many potential claimants as the Jackson case.”

The investigator, who spent two years on the case, saw Pellicano’s ruthless methods first-hand in the frantic bid to salvage Jackson’s Mr Clean image.

He said his boss encouraged his extensive contacts in the media to call the singer’s victims after he paid them off so they could publicly deny he ever touched them. It was part of a relentless campaign to clear the megastar’s name.

The investigator said: “There was a mountain of allegations levelled at Jackson and Pellicano was determined to prove his client innocent.

“He promised Jackson, ‘I can make this go away’ and he wanted me to dig up everything that was around on him and then began smoothing it over.

“Pellicano had links to key figures in the US media and made them dance to his tune. He was very good at starting fires – but also at putting them out. By the end we had at least 10 boxes of documents about Jackson.”

He went on: “The FBI had all that information long before Jackson’s 2005 trial. I’m surprised this evidence never came to light.

“Then again, if the pay-offs were successfully executed, no one would have spoken.

“At the time, Jackson was on a world tour, battling drug addiction and planning his next CD and future.

“If these files had been released then, Jackson’s career would have been over. But he was the King of Pop and spending the equivalent of a year’s royalties was worth it to keep him on his throne. With the help of people like Pellicano, the world and his fans never heard what took place at Neverland over 15 years.”

At his 2005 trial, Jackson was acquitted of abusing and feeding *alcohol to a 13-year-old boy who had survived cancer. But the private eye said: “Our reports painted the picture that Jackson was a serial child predator.

“It showed at least two dozen children were given money to stay quiet – which came to around *$35million (£23million).

“Wade Robson was one of the kids identified as a victim while our reports show many others were paid off before their names even emerged.”

He said the pay-out total includes the £13million settlement to Jordie Chandler and up to £4.5million in legal and investigation fees. The investigator added: “I haven’t released this now to upset Michael’s children, who haven’t done anything wrong.

“But when Wade’s case was announced, I felt it was time the public knew what information had been *collected, what the authorities have – and what has never been released.”

Brian Oxman, a long-time Jackson family lawyer and friend, said yesterday he was not aware that Michael “paid off” any boys other than Jordan Chandler.

He said: “The only money I know about was Jordan Chandler. But the gift list on Michael’s income tax returns was astounding.

"He would give out a great deal of money and top of the list was Elizabeth Taylor. He gave money to a whole series of people. It happened all the time.

“I wasn’t aware of any pay-offs to kids. I never heard him talking about it.”

ELVIS
07-01-2013, 09:58 AM
Secret FBI files ??

It must be true...:rolleyes:

Coyote
07-01-2013, 10:51 AM
No rest/respect for the dead, eh...

Angel
07-01-2013, 10:57 AM
No rest/respect for the dead, eh...

You think his victims get any rest?

envy_me
07-01-2013, 11:00 AM
This is just so good that it's worth repeating :biggrin:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG4uFphgsYU

Coyote
07-01-2013, 11:33 AM
You think his victims get any rest?

Depends. How many of them were not paid?

Kristy
07-01-2013, 11:52 AM
There was a story (who cares if it is true) when the police raided his home they found 'life like" dolls of little boys. Micheal Jackson was a creep, a perv, and a cretin. So surprised he never joined Roth Army.

ELVIS
07-01-2013, 12:11 PM
They're just trying to see how much bullshit the American people will believe...

sadaist
07-01-2013, 12:19 PM
the Thriller hit-maker was once caught by a member of his household staff groping a world-famous child star



Say it ain't so!


https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSme9ZhN-YC3PFTHM_n5QF2xlJ9ww7V9AYF0F5OEqQ25D8GCyM8VA

kwame k
07-01-2013, 02:11 PM
What a sick fucker, Jacko was!

The thing that really surprises me are the parents! Why in the fuck would you let your child have "sleepovers" with a grown man and why would you take $$$$ instead of making sure that sick fuck never harmed another child?

Well.....at least he's not fucking anymore little boys!

FORD
07-01-2013, 02:27 PM
If Michael was smart he would have converted to Catholicism and become a priest.

The Jehovas Witnesses just don't have a dedicated infrastructure to defend pedophiles like Rome does.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW2Cv5JV2io

binnie
07-01-2013, 02:39 PM
I'm not sure the 'he paid therefore he did it' line really works.

If that money was not object to you and it was an easy way of avoiding stress/publicity I can see why an innocent person would pay it. Not saying MJ was innocent, just saying that the payment doesn't equate to guilt.

I will say this, however. People are very quick to equate eccentricity with deviance - sure, MJ was weird (what child star isn't?); but is there necessarily a corrolation between 'weird' and 'pervert'. No.

IF - and it is IF - he was a paedophile and the police couldn't prove it at the second trial, they must have been pretty fucking useless.

FORD
07-01-2013, 02:47 PM
http://www.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/0906/michael-jackson-pedobear-pedo-michael-jackson-demotivational-poster-1246042961.jpg

kwame k
07-01-2013, 02:48 PM
Ever see that creepy interview that MJ gave defending sleeping with little boys?

Don't need a tin foil hat to believe this one!

kwame k
07-01-2013, 02:52 PM
In his own words.......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npzi0Kykv2g

envy_me
07-01-2013, 02:53 PM
If this is true then he isn't smart at all. Men from western countries go to Asia and molest kids practicly for free without getting caught. He spent millions and got counght anyway...

kwame k
07-01-2013, 02:57 PM
When he gives an interview on camera and defends sleeping with little boys........how is there room for doubt?

DONNIEP
07-01-2013, 02:59 PM
Damn, dup post.

Hardrock69
07-01-2013, 09:20 PM
I'm not sure the 'he paid therefore he did it' line really works.

If that money was not object to you and it was an easy way of avoiding stress/publicity I can see why an innocent person would pay it. Not saying MJ was innocent, just saying that the payment doesn't equate to guilt.

I will say this, however. People are very quick to equate eccentricity with deviance - sure, MJ was weird (what child star isn't?); but is there necessarily a corrolation between 'weird' and 'pervert'. No.

IF - and it is IF - he was a paedophile and the police couldn't prove it at the second trial, they must have been pretty fucking useless.

Some good points.

Hey, sure, there is .00011112323432354435 % chance he NEVER played with young boys, so we can't be 100% certain. ;)

Seriously though.....that kinda bread don't exactly grow on trees......


Look.....so maybe he gave the money to the families just because their kids were so great in the sack. Right? Ever consider that? :lmao:


"Yy y y y y y y y y y y eeesssssss ss ss ss sssss sss s..................*squeak*

Ok Billy that was so wunderful I'm going to give your Daddy 10 million dollars!"

Seriously. That is about as likely as him being innocent. Smoke meet fire, ya know?

Hey, it could be he paid some ho's to come out to the house every few days to tear it up......

But somehow that just does not seem like something he would do....

Michael was "eccentric".

If you are rich it is "eccentric". If you are poor, you are "crazy", and they lock you up and shit.

But I don't think he was so brain-damaged as to shell out 35 million zoolags just because he was happy to have these young boys around.....

So I dunno......

fraroc
07-01-2013, 09:41 PM
If Michael Jackson really did molest those kids, then why did Evan Chandler kill himself after Michael Jackson died? He was the only one that succeeded at extorting Michael Jackson. That article is a big fucking wall of stupid. The Mirror called him "Jacko" for fuck sake, I don't think that any truly professional source would call him that. Wade Robson is also completley full of shit. I've seen the interviews with him. His body language does NOT say "I was molested since I was a teenager."

This is nothing new, this is the same regurgitated shit that's been said about him since 1993. AEG is only pushing this whole "HE REALLY WAS A CHILD MOLESTOR AND A BAD PERSON" story to get the heat off of themselves because they are in deep financial trouble with the Jackson family.

Hardrock69
07-01-2013, 10:01 PM
Well, yes some of the above may be true also, but the fact remains....why the payoffs?

fraroc
07-01-2013, 10:32 PM
Well, yes some of the above may be true also, but the fact remains....why the payoffs?

He was at the point in his career in 1993 where he couldn't tolerate a huge trial like OJ did. Ever since the accusations began, his health began to decline and there were several dates on the 1992-1993 Dangerous tour that were cancelled completley when Michael would collapse backstage. His health and well-being was predominatley the reason why he paid them off. 2005 is when he decided to fight back. He won, but the battle still rages on it seems.

kwame k
07-01-2013, 10:45 PM
Watch at the 1:02:00 mark and tell me this isn't a pedophile!

No taking words out of context, no camera tricks just MJ and his lover........the sick fucker preyed on the less fortunate! Fact!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmL9gP-SKDo

Angel
07-02-2013, 12:21 AM
If this is true then he isn't smart at all. Men from western countries go to Asia and molest kids practicly for free without getting caught. He spent millions and got counght anyway...

Those men aren't celebrities though...MJ would have been noticed...

Angel
07-02-2013, 12:24 AM
If Michael Jackson really did molest those kids, then why did Evan Chandler kill himself after Michael Jackson died? He was the only one that succeeded at extorting Michael Jackson. That article is a big fucking wall of stupid. The Mirror called him "Jacko" for fuck sake, I don't think that any truly professional source would call him that. Wade Robson is also completley full of shit. I've seen the interviews with him. His body language does NOT say "I was molested since I was a teenager."

This is nothing new, this is the same regurgitated shit that's been said about him since 1993. AEG is only pushing this whole "HE REALLY WAS A CHILD MOLESTOR AND A BAD PERSON" story to get the heat off of themselves because they are in deep financial trouble with the Jackson family.

How many survivor's of sexual abuse do you know? I have met many in recent years. All react differently. And there certainly isn't any "body language" that is unique to all...

Angel
07-02-2013, 02:46 AM
↑↑↑ forgot to mention...there may be many reasons why he committed suicide, one of them being guilt for taking the money and allowing others to be victims after him.

If he wasn't a celebrity you wouldn't be questioning MJ's guilt. I've always thought MJ was guilty, and although I don't condone his behaviour, I can certainly understand how it came to be and feel empathy for the man.

TFM_Dale
07-02-2013, 07:22 AM
No doubt in my mind Michael sexually abused children. Some of his interviews were so fucking creepy I couldn't even watch them.

Even Tapatalk thinks warf is a no class cunt.

Hardrock69
07-02-2013, 09:12 AM
That is pretty inescapable when a piece of software thinks Whoref is a cunt. :hee:

fraroc
07-02-2013, 09:58 AM
↑↑↑ forgot to mention...there may be many reasons why he committed suicide, one of them being guilt for taking the money and allowing others to be victims after him.

If he wasn't a celebrity you wouldn't be questioning MJ's guilt. I've always thought MJ was guilty, and although I don't condone his behaviour, I can certainly understand how it came to be and feel empathy for the man.

That is such fucking bullshit, Evan Chandler killed himself out of guilt for basically putting MJ through hell back in the 90s.

And you know what Angel, there was a time before I really became a Michael Jackson fan when I bought the lies and thought that he was a child molesting pervert. Then I began to look in between the lines in what happened with both the Chandler and Arvizo claims and realized that they were two peices of bullshit art. All they wanted was M-O-N-E-Y, MONEY. Janet Arvizo already tried to extort JCPenney using a false claim of security guard brutality, that got thrown away in court and because her son Gavin Arvizo was a close friend of Michael Jackson who she knew damn well paid off Chandler's claim, saw this as a huge oppurtunity to reap some serious cash.

Both the Chandler family and the Arvizo family were after Michael's money. Ever since the trial begain last year, AEG wants everybody to believe that both families are the victims, that's bullshit. Michael Jackson was a victim of two extortion attempts.

fraroc
07-02-2013, 10:05 AM
When he gives an interview on camera and defends sleeping with little boys........how is there room for doubt?

There is room for doubt if the interview was from Martin BaSHIT's "Living With Michael Jackson" documentary. After MJ passed, He came out and admitted that he edited it to make Michael Jackson look as guilty as possible.

When MJ said that he slept with children, there was a bit that was edited out when he specified "I gave my bed up for the children, I slept on the floor." That may be fucking creepy, but that's NOT the same as child molesting.

ELVIS
07-02-2013, 10:11 AM
Ever since the trial begain last year, AEG wants everybody to believe that both families are the victims, that's bullshit. Michael Jackson was a victim of two extortion attempts.

That's right, and now they're backing it up with "secret FBI files"...

It's all bullshit...

binnie
07-02-2013, 10:14 AM
Ever see that creepy interview that MJ gave defending sleeping with little boys?

Don't need a tin foil hat to believe this one!

You could spin it the other way: if he was a paedophile, why would he admit to sharing his bed with boys (even to sleep next too)?

All of it is circumstantial. 'No smoke without fire' lines of argument really don't cut the mustard. You'd be horrified if a member of your family was convicted on evidence as flimsy as that. Why should it be different for MJ?

Angel
07-02-2013, 10:19 AM
You don't know the reason any more than I do. I was a fan since I was a little girl. While I don't disagree that the parents were scumbags, I definifely believe Michael was a molestor.

I also know many people who were abused as children. They all react differently. And it's common for adult survivors to commit suicide.

ELVIS
07-02-2013, 10:24 AM
I definifely believe Michael was a molestor.



And I definitely believe you were subjected to false, misleading, and edited information to get to that point...

MJ was preyed upon because he had money...

The only thing he was guilty of is letting these people into his private life...


:elvis:

fraroc
07-02-2013, 11:01 AM
And it's common for adult survivors to commit suicide.

Evan Chandler was the father of the kid, Jordan Chandler. Evan was the person who thought up of the plan to take advantage of Michael Jackson after learning through his son about MJ's desire to have a real childhood (Neverland Ranch, the sleepovers") As much as I believe that MJ is innocent, I believe that the Peter Pan syndrome made him a target of these allegations.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx8Z9fxxw-U

ELVIS
07-02-2013, 12:12 PM
That and his money...

sadaist
07-02-2013, 12:43 PM
My position on Michael. I believe he is innocent. But it sure is fun to make jokes.


Out of all the kids he paid off, was it like 25 families?, NOT ONE SAID NO and came out to the public. You would honestly think that at least one family would say FUCK YOU MJ and be in front of every camera and microphone until the guy paid with his freedom or life. If it was 1 or 2 families maybe. But going 25-0 in payoffs? No fucking way. It was ONLY ABOUT MONEY.

Yes the guy was mentally unstable and creepy. He believed he was a child. He was a hypochondriac. He was a multi-millionaire and got to feed his eccentricities. But I truly believe he wouldn't have had sex with a child or done anything to hurt another human intentionally.

Just imagine for a second if he truly is innocent as I believe, humor me for a minute, just imagine he's innocent. Then think how much all these tabloids, jokes, accusations, public ridicule must have hurt him deeply. Yeah. We were pretty damn fucked up to the guy and most likely were the main reason he ended up a recluse & eventually dead.

Now, I do leave the door open a crack in case he did do bad things. I'm not totally closed off to the chance. But I watched most the trials, read most the stories, watched most the interviews......and my gut tells me the guy was innocent.

There. I said my peace without even mentioning how lucky we were to even witness an artist this great in our lifetime. He was truly one for the ages.

sadaist
07-02-2013, 12:44 PM
Thriller kept 1984 from number 1. Oddly I've always been okay with that. Honored in fact that we gave him a run for his money. :)

chefcraig
07-02-2013, 12:47 PM
My position on Michael...

Given the thread content, you really could have worded that a tad better...

sadaist
07-02-2013, 01:33 PM
Given the thread content, you really could have worded that a tad better...


lol yeah probably. But I'm way too old for him. O_-



Overheard last time MJ went to the beach.....


"Excuse me sir, you're in my sun"

fraroc
07-02-2013, 05:43 PM
The people commenting on this article are fucking idiots. They're treating this as "OMG NEW EVIDENCE THAT HE MOLESTED KIDS!!! MJ FANS ARE THE SCUM OF THE EARTH!!!" while in reality this "news" article nothing more than a tabloid's hypothesis that there is this "Top Secret Area 51 file" that states that there were 25 more children that were molested without ANY fucking evidence to back it mixed with the same shit that has been said about him for 20 years. In 2005, the FBI had absolutley zero evidence that MJ molested children. But no matter how much evidence there is that he didn't molest kids, The media and MJ haters are still gonna eat up this story like they ate up Wade Robson's complete bullshit story that he had a seizure which triggered a repressed memory that MJ molested him since he was a teenager.

Trust me, if the Jackson family and AEG weren't duking it out in court, this article would have NEVER been written. Randy Phillips is trying to make Michael Jackson look as bad as humanley possible from beyond the grave. Sadly Tito Jackson was dead wrong when he eulogized "mabye now Michael, They will leave you alone."