Why Led Zeppelin III Can Suck My Cock

[Kristy]

www.allmusic.com (http://www.allmusic.com)

It's good site. Loads of references and reviews that used to be good but lately border on album sale propaganda. I know how much allmusic.com loves to stay or believe they are "cutting edge" when they used such words as "anathema" to self-proclaim how pretentious they are. This also makes allmusic.com be fucking boring as well so in this day and age of media where list seem to be the psychology of the times the hack there thought it would be "great" if they collectively pulled their heads out of their F A T asses stuck their thumbs up there as a temporary replacement and decided to put forth a lame-ass (as in ghey) "best of" a certain decade.

For the most part they are fantastic lists partuclary the 50 and 60's but you know, fuck the 80's because that's where the majority of you old, run down aging cretins come from. Anyhoo, the one of the 70's caught my eye not because there was some great shit in the 70's music wise but one album kept on making itself known. For exampies:



Heather Phares
Syd Barrett - The Madcap Laughs (http://www.allmusic.com/album/the-madcap-laughs-mw0000193903)
The Beatles - Let It Be (http://www.allmusic.com/album/let-it-be-mw0000192939)
Black Sabbath - Paranoid (http://www.allmusic.com/album/paranoid-mw0000600570)
David Bowie - The Man Who Sold the World (http://www.allmusic.com/album/the-man-who-sold-the-world-mw0000098879)
The Carpenters - Close to You (http://www.allmusic.com/album/close-to-you-mw0000649956)
The Delfonics - The Delfonics (http://www.allmusic.com/album/the-delfonics-mw0000587887)
Nick Drake - Bryter Later (http://www.allmusic.com/album/bryter-layter-mw0000650092)
Bruce Haack - Electric Lucifer (http://www.allmusic.com/album/electric-lucifer-mw0000773077)
George Harrison - All Things Must Pass (http://www.allmusic.com/album/all-things-must-pass-mw0000194979)
The Kinks - Lola vs. the Powerman & the Money-Go-Round, Pt. 1 (http://www.allmusic.com/album/lola-vs-the-powerman-the-money-go-round-pt-1-mw0000652651)
Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin III (http://www.allmusic.com/album/led-zeppelin-iii-mw0000650405)
John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band - John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band (http://www.allmusic.com/album/john-lennon-plastic-ono-band-mw0000195367)
Van Morrison - Moondance (http://www.allmusic.com/album/moondance-mw0000191087)
Emitt Rhodes - Emitt Rhodes (http://www.allmusic.com/album/emitt-rhodes-mw0000096649)
Diana Ross - Diana Ross (http://www.allmusic.com/album/diana-ross-1970-mw0000220334)
Todd Rundgren - Runt (http://www.allmusic.com/album/runt-mw0000195588)
The Stooges - Fun House (http://www.allmusic.com/album/funhouse-mw0000197626)
The Temptations - Psychedelic Shack (http://www.allmusic.com/album/psychedelic-shack-mw0000654092)
The Velvet Underground - Loaded (http://www.allmusic.com/album/loaded-mw0000196213)



Jonathan Ball [Spotify (http://open.spotify.com/user/peterframpton77/playlist/0lIsznpbHC9MFHiilLumFn)]
The Who - Live at Leeds (http://www.allmusic.com/album/live-at-leeds-mw0000014217)
The Doors - Morrison Hotel (http://www.allmusic.com/album/morrison-hotel-mw0000193596)
Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin III (http://www.allmusic.com/album/led-zeppelin-iii-mw0000650405)
Nick Drake - Bryter Layter (http://www.allmusic.com/album/bryter-layter-mw0000650092)
Derek & the Dominos - Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs (http://www.allmusic.com/album/layla-and-other-assorted-love-songs-mw0000650067)
Vashti Bunyan - Just Another Diamond Day (http://www.allmusic.com/album/just-another-diamond-day-mw0000140905)
Traffic - John Barleycorn Must Die (http://www.allmusic.com/album/john-barleycorn-must-die-mw0000197791)
Performance (http://www.allmusic.com/album/performance-mw0000690860)
The Rolling Stones - Get Yer Ya-Ya's Out! (http://www.allmusic.com/album/get-yer-ya-yas-out%21-mw0000191518)
James Brown - Sex Machine (http://www.allmusic.com/album/sex-machine-mw0000473838)
Joni Mitchell - Ladies of the Canyon (http://www.allmusic.com/album/ladies-of-the-canyon-mw0000651395)
Van Morrison - Moondance (http://www.allmusic.com/album/moondance-mw0000191087)
Santana - Abraxas (http://www.allmusic.com/album/abraxas-mw0000191745)
Antonio Carlos Jobim - Stone Flower (http://www.allmusic.com/album/stone-flower-mw0000655011)
Sly & the Family Stone - Greatest Hits (http://www.allmusic.com/album/greatest-hits-mw0000191777)
The Stooges - Fun House (http://www.allmusic.com/album/funhouse-mw0000197626)
The Velvet Underground - Loaded (http://www.allmusic.com/album/loaded-mw0000196213)
Woodstock: Music from the Original Soundtrack and More (http://www.allmusic.com/album/woodstock-mw0000192524)
Les McCann - Comment (http://www.allmusic.com/album/comment-mw0000011863)
Beyond the Valley of the Dolls (http://www.allmusic.com/album/beyond-the-valley-of-the-dolls-mw0000642501)

James Christopher Monger
Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath (http://www.allmusic.com/album/black-sabbath-mw0000652046)
Black Sabbath - Paranoid (http://www.allmusic.com/album/paranoid-mw0000600570)
Steeleye Span - Hark! The Village Wait (http://www.allmusic.com/album/hark%21-the-village-wait-mw0000267159)
Scott Walker - 'Til the Band Comes In (http://www.allmusic.com/album/til-the-band-comes-in-mw0000086911)
John Cale - Vintage Violence (http://www.allmusic.com/album/vintage-violence-mw0000196294)
Randy Newman - 12 Songs (http://www.allmusic.com/album/12-songs-mw0000652508)
David Bowie - The Man Who Sold the World (http://www.allmusic.com/album/the-man-who-sold-the-world-mw0000098879)
Nick Drake - Bryter Layter (http://www.allmusic.com/album/bryter-layter-mw0000650092)
Neil Diamond - Taproot Manuscript (http://www.allmusic.com/album/tap-root-manuscript-mw0000189674)
Pink Floyd - Atom Heart Mother (http://www.allmusic.com/album/atom-heart-mother-mw0000195290)
Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin III (http://www.allmusic.com/album/led-zeppelin-iii-mw0000650405)
Vashti Bunyan - Just Another Diamond Day (http://www.allmusic.com/album/just-another-diamond-day-mw0000140905)
Credence Clearwater Revival - Cosmo's Factory (http://www.allmusic.com/album/cosmos-factory-mw0000232241)
George Harrison - All Things Must Pass (http://www.allmusic.com/album/all-things-must-pass-mw0000194979)
The Kinks - Lola Versus Powerman and the Moneygoround (Part One) (http://www.allmusic.com/album/lola-vs-the-powerman-the-money-go-round-pt-1-mw0000652651)
Os Mutantes - A Divina Comédia ou Ando Meio Desligado (http://www.allmusic.com/album/divina-comedia-ou-ando-meio-desligado-1970-mw0000231423)
The Beatles - Let It Be (http://www.allmusic.com/album/let-it-be-mw0000192939)
Syd Barrett - The Madcap Laughs (http://www.allmusic.com/album/the-madcap-laughs-mw0000193903)
Donovan - Open Road (http://www.allmusic.com/album/open-road-mw0000106897)
The Rolling Stones - Get Yer Ya-Ya's Out!

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(http://www.allmusic.com/album/get-yer-ya-yas-out%21-mw0000191518)
Do you see it? Do any of you cretin see it? That's right, Led Zeppelin III. By far, one of the shittiest bag of shit shitty records of the 1970's. Zep III is why critics suck today and why many a critic can suck my cock. Zep III was a diaster, a poorly recorded sloppy "acoustic" album that quartics love to mention because it makes them look "kwel." Well, it doesn't. However much I fucking detest Zep, Page plagarism was far more reaching on Zep IV which really wrote the book on 70's rock and every lame gay metal act that was to follow. Fucking critics with their pretentious self-serving bullshit plastered on a cracker of bigger shit. Zep III should be buried in the 70's Forget Me File with every Donnie and Marie record beside it. Terrible, terrible album. (http://www.allmusic.com/album/get-yer-ya-yas-out%21-mw0000191518)

Rest of the list here:
(http://www.allmusic.com/album/get-yer-ya-yas-out%21-mw0000191518)http://www.allmusic.com/blog/post/allmusic-loves-1970 (http://www.allmusic.com/blog/post/allmusic-loves-1970)

[ThrillsNSpills]

www.allmusic.com (http://www.allmusic.com)
fuck the 80's



:amen:Yep, unless you like hairspray and clones and formula seeking record companies.

[Kristy]

70's was a far better decade for music. Apart from Led Zep III - well, the entire Zeppelin 70's catalog, really.

[Mr. Vengeance]

Dumbcunt says what??????

Problem with your generalizations is that you think we "old farts" only listen to 80s music, when in fact, I am far more of a 70s guy than anything. I like 50s 60s 70s 80s rock. 90s was pretty hit and miss. After that...mostly shit.

[Igosplut]

can suck my cock.....

Hermaphrodite??

[Kristy]

Hermaphrodite??

Entrepreneur

[Mr. Vengeance]

Entrepreneur

More like attentionheur......

[Terry]

Well, while I enjoy Led Zeppelin, I wouldn't say Led Zeppelin III was my favorite album from the band.

Matter of fact, I'm not too fond of any of the first three albums. When it came time years back to upgrade from cassette to cd, I didn't bother picking up the first three LZ albums because I had no desire to hear them anymore.

[Kristy]

Zeppy III was the lightest of all their dismal releases in the 70's; Presence was too vague and the rest apart from Zeppy IV were all too pussy sounding. So critics picked this one as if Zeplep III made some sort of a statement of "blooz rock" in the 70's. From the list proved, notice no T. Rex, No Mountain, not even Skynyrd! Just pretentious bullshit. This is why I hate critics.

[chefcraig]

Zeppy III was the lightest of all their dismal releases in the 70's; Presence was too vague and the rest apart from Zeppy IV were all too pussy sounding. So critics picked this one as if Zeplep III made some sort of a statement of "blooz rock" in the 70's. From the list proved, notice no T. Rex, No Mountain, not even Skynyrd! Just pretentious bullshit. This is why I hate critics.

No kidding. These boneheads went from shoving cucumbers in there collective trousers (Sorry, low hanging fruit Spinal Tap reference) on Led Zeppelin II to joining hands with Joni Mitchell and C,S,N & Y for an attempt at soft rock grooviness that makes the listener wish to hurl chunks all over the dashboard.

"Hangman" and "Since I've Been Loving You" were damned good, but for shit's sake, put 'em out on a single. Oh, that's right...the capitalistic Zepsters didn't DO singles, forcing everybody to buy their albums.

Fuck me...it has taken some 30-40 years of hero-worship for me to realize that I have been a fool the entire time. The more I learn about these art-thieves, the more disgusted I feel about myself for following 'em.

Yeah, I still dig the music. Yet I shall never listen to it with the same sense of rapture ever again. That in and of itself sucks, yet what can I tell ya? Other than stating that blind hero-worship is a folly, I have not much more to say, other than feeling cheated. And that is on me, and me alone.

[FORD]

"Hangman" and "Since I've Been Loving You" were damned good, but for shit's sake, put 'em out on a single. Oh, that's right...the capitalistic Zepsters didn't DO singles, forcing everybody to buy their albums.


Well, actually that's not true at all.....

http://www.importsounds.com/images/LED-ZEPPELIN_IMMIGRANT-SONG_061512.JPG

I actually have this 45", though sadly mine wasn't in the picture sleeve.

The "B" side was "Hey Hey What Can I Do", which was otherwise unreleased until the mostly redundant Zep boxsets started being released every other year in the late 80s.

[chefcraig]

Well, actually that's not true at all.....

I actually have this 45", though sadly mine wasn't in the picture sleeve.

The "B" side was "Hey Hey What Can I Do", which was otherwise unreleased until the mostly redundant Zep boxsets started being released every other year in the late 80s.

Shit, have you any idea what I went through to get that song? Initially, copies of "Immigrant Song/Hey Hey" were sent to Japan and relabeled, only to be re-imported to the states. So a single initially produced in Great Britain was shipped to the US, forwarded to Japan and then modified and re-imported back to the United States. It wasn't so much a rarity as it was a humongous pain in the ass to collect the fucking thing, which is still among the top ten best things these nitwits ever did.

[chuckjitsu]

Love Zep. Always have, always will. That said, III is my second least favorite album, right behind In Through the Out Door.

[chefcraig]

Love Zep. Always have, always will. That said, III is my second least favorite album, right behind In Through the Out Door.

Don't get me started on In Through The Out Door. It's the only time in my life that I confused Led Zeppelin with the Little River Band and a Quaalude-filled Emerson. Lake & Palmer.

[FORD]

Shit, have you any idea what I went through to get that song? Initially, copies of "Immigrant Song/Hey Hey" were sent to Japan and relabeled, only to be re-imported to the states. So a single initially produced in Great Britain was shipped to the US, forwarded to Japan and then modified and re-imported back to the United States. It wasn't so much a rarity as it was a humongous pain in the ass to collect the fucking thing, which is still among the top ten best things these nitwits ever did.

Damn.... and all I had to do was steal it from my brother. :biggrin:

As far as I know, he bought it in the US. He did live in Australia for a while, but he had the record before then, because I "borrowed" his records when he was out of the country.

[Igosplut]

One of the best concerts I ever saw was Page and Plant at the old Boston garden. Great shit...

[chefcraig]

Damn.... and all I had to do was steal it from my brother. :biggrin:

As far as I know, he bought it in the US. He did live in Australia for a while, but he had the record before then, because I "borrowed" his records when he was out of the country.

Yeah, I had to drive to the beach to a place called Sid's East near the ocean to pick up my import Cheap Trick at Budokan (for the astonishing 12 bucks), Elton John w/John Lennon live EPs and bootlegs (Zep's Blueberry Hill, PB and a handful of weird Jeff Beck/Santana issues).

Also got the Knack's first record for around a buck, mainly because everyone working at the store resented the band.

I miss that shit. You were not sitting upon yer ass in front of a computer, you were gassing up a car with friends, and heading down the road towards Peaches and a mom/pop record store seeking some sort of rock and roll salvation. Whether you found it or not did not matter all that much...it was the journey, man. It was the trip in and of itself.

[Igosplut]

Yeah, I had to drive to the beach to a place called Sid's East near the ocean to pick up my import Cheap Trick at Budokan (for the astonishing 12 bucks), Elton John w/John Lennon live EPs and bootlegs (Zep's Blueberry Hill, PB and a handful of weird Jeff Beck/Santana issues).

Also got the Knack's first record for around a buck, mainly because everyone working at the store resented the band.

I miss that shit. You were not sitting upon yer ass in front of a computer, you were gassing up a car with friends, and heading down the road towards Peaches and a mom/pop record store seeking some sort of rock and roll salvation. Whether you found it or not did not matter all that much...it was the journey, man. It was the trip in and of itself.

Loved the Knack. Coarse that could be nostalgia goggles, but hey.

The one best memory I have of Cheap Trick was this house on the way to a popular beach here. These people had just screens on that was a garage. The parents were wacky and they had this 12 or 13 year old kid. Long hair, and mostly unruly. All I could thing ever time I went by the place was the Cheap Trick line "Mommy all right, daddys all right, they just seem a little bit weird"......

[Igosplut]

you were gassing up a car with friends, .
A thing TOTALLY lost today. Social media totally destroyed the "crusing thing we all had as kids....

[FORD]

The Knack was a much better band than they got credit for. Yeah, they didn't exactly protest when the idiot suits at Capitol records proclaimed them "The New Beatles", which eventually led to a backlash even worse than the one against disco, but it's gotta be hard to say "no" to instant fame (and all that comes with it) when it's suddenly in front of you. Even more so when you aren't really so much of an "overnight sensation", but just not so lucky in your two previous bands (at least in Doug Fieger's case)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2s3r9WlNas

[Coyote]

As far as Zep goes, I'm in it for the musicianship.

Sure, the songs might stink upon microscopic scrutiny, but it's a solid band nonetheless.
Thank Jones/Bonham for that...

The Knack had some songs that caught my ear, like "Lucinda", although at first I thought it was Cheap Trick...

[Kristy]

Love Zep. Always have, always will. That said, III is my second least favorite album, right behind In Through the Out Door.

Zeppy III was hardly reflective of the powerhouse that was 70's rock. Granted, you can place Zepschelp IV as being the "top 10" of rock albums that came out in the 70's but III was an experimental turd. And what gets me is how so many people blindly follow critics like the ones on Allmusic.com without question. I still say the late 70's/early 80's (right up till MTV killed everything in it's path) was by far the best time for rock music. Emmit Rhodes? Scott Walker (no mention of the Walker Brothers?) were hardly household names of the 70's (at least not in the U.S.A.) and even though you need not be popular to have written a good tune critics love to harp on the obscure or one-hit wonders of a decade they either were not born in or too young to remember.

Bowie's 'The Man Who Sold The World' - his experimental metal album was one of the worst Bowie's records ever recorded (even worse than Blue Jean).
The Temptations' 'Psychedelic Shack' was a commercial flop
Even Floyd's 'Atom Heart Mother' was pure, boring crap.

This is what critics love to do. That somehow an album that sold poorly and/or was record label contract filler that that band who recorded it automatically makes them more knowledgeable than you. A bad album is a bad album does not matter who recorded it or why. Nor does it make you a better, more informed critic - just a self-righteous asshole of one. For exampies and being totally random here when Allmusic reviewed Each & The Bunnymen 1996 release 'Evergreen' calling it an "attractive piece of work." Um, no it wasn't. 'Evergreen' was a steaming pile of shit made for the money after all their solo careers sunk. There is not one thing attractive about that album: boring cover, deadweight songs, inept production (Will Sargent's guitar is way too fucking loud for one). What is so wrong about calling a record shit if it is so?

So Zep III, Allmusic deems it "built on a folky, acoustic foundation that gives the music extra depth." Excuse me, did the hack say depth? There is no depth on the record certainly not enough to make a lasting impact that Schelppy III was a grandiose 70's masterpiece. It was a lame attempt at capitalizing on early 70's AOR radio semi-acoustic pop that played a lot of Neil Young, CSN, Joni Mitchell and Cat Stevens. Again, Zep has no originality. So fuck them and fuck you, AllMusic.com although I will continue to visit your site on a regular basis for new releases and to keep my blood pressure high.

[Kristy]

One of the best concerts I ever saw was Page and Plant at the old Boston garden. Great shit...

So...you're a hippie?

[Kristy]

Don't get me started on In Through The Out Door. It's the only time in my life that I confused Led Zeppelin with the Little River Band and a Quaalude-filled Emerson. Lake & Palmer.

The year was 1979 and critic Charles Young was not impressed. My favortire quotes from his review:

"Jimmy Page was coming up with two or three great guitar riffs on damn near every tune. A lot of them were copped from Mississippi Delta blues masters like Robert Johnson, but knowing where to steal is every great artist's dirty little secret. Page now appears to have fallen victim to the law of diminishing returns."

"Repetition to weave a hypnotic effect has always been part of the Zeppelin sound, but what they are repeating here is not worth the effort. "All My Love" and "I'm Gonna Crawl," both slow and incorporating synthesized violins, let the record peter out instead of climax.

"If perchance Robert Plant meets someone who doesn't dump on him, he should avoid calling her "the apple of my eye" or she will probably reject him, just as I am rejecting "I'm Gonna Crawl," in which he sings that cliché almost as if it meant something"

"Bonham's exuberance on In through the Out Door is matched only by Robert Plant's appetite for inanity."

" In through the Out Door's best number is the one in which you can understand the least words. This is "In the Evening," a classic Zeppelin orchestral guitar rumble halfway between "When the Levee Breaks" and "In the Light." The only line I was able to understand was "Oh oh I need zoo love."


Oh WHY,WHY WHY don't crtics write like this anymore instead of being the corporate label ass kissers they are today?

[Mr. Vengeance]

I have no problems with any of Zeppelin's albums. Beats the hell out of most of the bullshit coming out today.

[ThrillsNSpills]

This is why I hate critics.

Yet, you are motivated continually to be one.
Maybe these kids who write haven't heard a tenth of the stuff you have.
I think you want to be a critic on one of these sites. Might as well.
Show them what venom is. Why not. Shake their asses out of their complacency.
I never had any use for critics. What does one goober's opinion have to do with whether a track or album is going to get the job done?

[Kristy]

Yet, you are motivated continually to be one.
Maybe these kids who write haven't heard a tenth of the stuff you have.
I think you want to be a critic on one of these sites. Might as well.
Show them what venom is. Why not. Shake their asses out of their complacency.
I never had any use for critics. What does one goober's opinion have to do with whether a track or album is going to get the job done?


That was beautiful, man. Now if you'll excuse me, I need some alone time to soul search and cry.

[Mr. Vengeance]

Anyone who worries about the opinions of critics when it comes to albums you already own, or have heard........really needs to be checking themselves.

Unless it's Binnie, who writes great reviews and I enjoy reading, because he's one of us.

[Terry]

I dunno...to me, the first three Zeppelin albums were the band building up to the better recordings and songs that were to come between 1971 and 1976 than anything necessarily all that great as individual albums.

As I said, I do enjoy Zeppelin. I've read quite a bit about the band, listened to more than a few bootlegs...as much as I appreciate them, I've never been enthralled with them to where every single track is some holy nugget sent down from a godly source of inspiration. They did some shit-hot stuff, to be sure, but had their fair share of duds. And as the 1970s wore on, live Led Zeppelin were indulgent as fuck to the point where I can barely listen to shows on the 1977 tour: was anybody really wanting to hear twenty minute versions of No Quarter and Moby Dick? Was the audience too stupified on Quaaludes to notice?

[Terry]

The Immigrant Song was okay, if a bit leaden and repetitive. Freinds was a dud. Celebration Day was good. Since I've Been Loving You was okay, but overlong. Out On The Tiles was a throwaway piece of shit. Gallow's Pole was good. That's The Way was a good tune. Hats Off To Ray Harper was meh. Whatthe fuck else was on side 2? Meh! Who gives a fuck? You get all this blather about how Led Zeppelin 3 was an essential album for the band to make because it allowed them to explore the acoustic side of their musicianship, which would allow them to link that with the hard blues of the first two albums and end up synthesized in songs like Stairway To Heaven, blah blah blah blah blah. Whatever the fucking case, Led Zeppelin 3 is a boring slog to listen to. Everyone was so stoked about Page and Plant reuniting for Unledded, but I was like "fuck, they're doing it in the style of Led Zeppelin 3...with Led Zeppelin 3 songs, to boot?!"

People get too precious about these bands. Hey, I fuckin' love Van Halen, but not everything they did (even with Roth) was a home-run.

[Igosplut]

So...you're a hippie?

HA! No patchouli oil here girl....

[chuckjitsu]

This really is the heart of it:


...Led Zeppelin 3 is a boring slog to listen to.

That's basically it for me. Most of the songs on that album just aren't that interesting to me. Ditto In Through the Out Door, but that one is worse to me, thanks to being drenched in all the shitty keys/synths. I read the Wikipedia entry for ITTOD and there was a quote from Jimmy about being concerned with the "softness" of the album. Your concerns were justified JP. Ironically enough, the only song with any balls from those sessions (Wearing and Tearing) was left off the album. Page said the plan was to comeback with a hard rocker on the next album, which of course never happened.

In some other thread I talked about Percy and his whole post-Zeppelin Zeppelin psychology. My belief is that had Bonham lived, Percy would've eventually quit the band, probably some time in the 80s and we would've only had the "reunion" type stuff we ultimately had- one offs and the like. The Unledded stuff did absolutely nothing for me and was a big waste of time, imo.

[Mr. Vengeance]

I have to say that when it comes to Zep...love the albums- hate them live. I find all their live stuff to be flat and boring. They can't recreate it.

[Kristy]

No one cares what you love.

[Mr. Vengeance]

Shut up, cunt.

[binnie]

Kristy, how come you don't like Bowie's 'Man Who Sold The World'?

Is it a dislike for Bowie generally? Or just that record?

Genuinely curious.

[FORD]

That's basically it for me. Most of the songs on that album just aren't that interesting to me. Ditto In Through the Out Door, but that one is worse to me, thanks to being drenched in all the shitty keys/synths.

The 10 minute disco song didn't help much either.

I actually like Zep III though. Not as much as Zep II or Zep IV/Zoso/whatever the fuck you want to call it, but that's kinda like saying I like Black and Blue somewhat less than Some Girls, or 1984 somewhat less than Fair Warning. Which also would be because of the shitty keys/synths.

[Kristy]

Just that record. It's terrible.

[DLR Bridge]

Hey, I fuckin' love Van Halen, but not everything they did (even with Roth) was a home-run.

True indeed. Amazingly, I find some redeeming value in the songs I don't quite care for. Fools is a perfect example. It's a lethargic thumper with silly rebellious youth lyrics, but there's something about the atmosphere created that I dig. I'd call this tune a broken bat in field single. Everybody Wants Some!! was a home run.

[Igosplut]

The Unledded stuff did absolutely nothing for me and was a big waste of time, imo.

As I said upthread, I saw them at the last concert at the old Boston Garden in the 90s. I will say that it was a great show, and they did it very well. And it was probably the loudest concert I've been to also (loud-good as opposed to a Kiss-loud=BAD) Coarse Page wasn't loaded to the scuppers on Heroin, and Percy was in great voice.....

[damngoodtimes]

Well, Led Zeppelin III is my favorite album of theirs, and I've never read what any pretentious critic had to say about it.

Opinions, afterall, are like assholes....

[damngoodtimes]

Regardless of one's opinion about allmusic, and (considering that it is a collection of music critics) pretentious is a valid one, they did provide one of my favorite segues ever in their biography of Van Halen:

"Throughout the '80s, it was impossible not to hear Van Halen's instrumental technique on records that ranged from the heaviest metal to soft pop. Furthermore, Roth's irony-drenched antics were copied by singers who took everything literally. One of these was Sammy Hagar, an arena rock veteran from the '70s who replaced Roth after the vocalist had a falling out with Van Halen in 1985."

[Terry]

This really is the heart of it:



That's basically it for me. Most of the songs on that album just aren't that interesting to me. Ditto In Through the Out Door, but that one is worse to me, thanks to being drenched in all the shitty keys/synths. I read the Wikipedia entry for ITTOD and there was a quote from Jimmy about being concerned with the "softness" of the album. Your concerns were justified JP. Ironically enough, the only song with any balls from those sessions (Wearing and Tearing) was left off the album. Page said the plan was to comeback with a hard rocker on the next album, which of course never happened.

In some other thread I talked about Percy and his whole post-Zeppelin Zeppelin psychology. My belief is that had Bonham lived, Percy would've eventually quit the band, probably some time in the 80s and we would've only had the "reunion" type stuff we ultimately had- one offs and the like. The Unledded stuff did absolutely nothing for me and was a big waste of time, imo.

Yeah, In Through The Out Door is pretty weak, too.

In The Evening is okay.

South Bound Saurez is filler.

Fool In The Rain is like a half-assed Steely Dan track. I like Steely Dan. Led Zeppelin isn't Steely Dan.

Hot Dog is filler.

Carouselambra is overlong, indulgent, poorly-mixed, muddled and ineffective.

All Of My Love, well, kinda heartless to castigate the song on a lyrical front. I suppose the music blends well with the lyric.

I kinda like I'm Gonna Crawl.

Overall, the album has no kick to it. It sounds like the band was tired and running out of ideas. In terms of sheer energy, I'd have to agree Wearing and Tearing outpaces every track that made it onto the album.

Plant later said for him the band was basically finished when the 1977 tour abruptly ended. If he'd had his way, he would have quit Zeppelin when his son died were it not for Bonham convincing him to give it another try.

[DLR Bridge]

Overall, (In Through The Out Door) has no kick to it. It sounds like the band was tired and running out of ideas. In terms of sheer energy, I'd have to agree Wearing and Tearing outpaces every track that made it onto the album.


Wasn't Darlene from the same sessions? Always thought that was a fun tune.

[FORD]

Wasn't Darlene from the same sessions? Always thought that was a fun tune.

I suspect Darlene didn't make the cut because it wasn't finished. Even when they put it out on "Coda" it sounded like a demo to me.

[DLR Bridge]

Similar production value to Fool In The Rain me thought. Nifty piano work, too.

[Terry]

I dunno...Darlene sounded pretty finished to me...I seem to remember reading that there were additional overdubs made by Plant and Page in 1982 (obviously after Bonham died, and well after the inital recording sessions) to some of the CODA tracks. Perhaps Darlene was just a 1978 ITTOD demo that Plant and Page overdubbed in 1982.

I'd agree it was a fun track, but not really anything essential...neither was Ozone Baby (perhaps the dumbest song title in the Zeppelin catalog). Neither approach the fury of Wearing And Tearing.

[Kristy]

Carouselambra is overlong, indulgent, poorly-mixed, muddled and ineffective.

That tune literally hurts my ears.

[Terry]

That tune literally hurts my ears.

Some even try to equate Carouselambra with other 'epic' (in reference to song length) Zeppelin tracks such as Kashmir or Achilles Last Stand, but...no. Not even close.

[DLR Bridge]

Some even try to equate Carouselambra with other 'epic' (in reference to song length) Zeppelin tracks such as Kashmir or Achilles Last Stand, but...no. Not even close.

I like the guitar texture in the "Where was your word, where did you go?*
Where was your helping, where was your bow?" chapter of that tune. :biggrin:

[FORD]

Carouselambra is overlong, indulgent, poorly-mixed, muddled and ineffective.



That's far too kind.... I just call it a crappy ass disco song.

[FORD]

Similar production value to Fool In The Rain me thought. Nifty piano work, too.

Yeah... never thought of the two songs together actually, but it obviously was an outtake from that album, so maybe the same session?

[Kristy]

You'd figure with all that money Page & Co. has they could at least afford to buy themselves a decent engineer and/or producer. Page was a train wreck behind the board and how poorly mixed and recorded the Zeppy catalog was proved it. The man was clueless. Who I thought who make for a great producer of creepyzeppy in their heyday have been Tony Visconti. Look at some of the most memorable masterpieces he did in that decade: Paul McCartney, T. Rex, Bowie, Argent, Thin Lizzy. Zep could have sounded so much better - just, not much.

[Kristy]

I like the guitar texture in the "Where was your word, where did you go?*
Where was your helping, where was your bow?" chapter of that tune. :biggrin:


B-Bender guitar abuse is what that was.

[Kristy]

Even these dimwitted Zeppy sycophant buttlicking homo dweebs capitulate that album was a terribly mixed bag of fresh excrement

http://forums.ledzeppelin.com/index.php?/topic/19037-why-in-through-the-out-door-is-a-great-album/

[Kristy]

Look, nowadays that plagiarizing faggot only walks by the in through the out door.

http://www2.pictures.fp.zimbio.com/Jimmy+Page+Out+Shopping+London+pUSY1Nr6HVXl.jpg

[BrownSound1]

Now I see why the site has gone to shit...

[binnie]

Just that record. It's terrible.

I guess I'm curious as to what you think makes it 'terrible' and how it's different to Bowie's other work.

[Kristy]

I guess I'm curious as to what you think makes it 'terrible' and how it's different to Bowie's other work.

Bowie was being too experimental for his own good. I can give him credit for attempting to make each album he recorded during the 70's to be different but he did not know when to hold back. 'Sold The World' is too muddy for me. And too bland. Even the songs suffer from a lack of constancy from each other. The record as whole sounds it was made in less than 2 hours.

[Mr. Vengeance]

I like ITTOD. Bit of a departure, but it was good. Carouselambra, I always liked, although it clearly was like three different tunes that they pieced together. Fool in the Rain has my favorite guitar solo...that fuzztone solo is fantastic. Novelty stuff like Hot Dog you can keep...never liked it.

[Kristy]

Seriously dude. move out of your parents basement. Maybe Elvis' social worker can help you.

Then again...

[chefcraig]

I suspect Darlene didn't make the cut because it wasn't finished. Even when they put it out on "Coda" it sounded like a demo to me.

The give away is the way it starts, with a hasty cut/fade in that suggests the song had no beginning at all.

[VetteLS5]

Now I see why the site has gone to shit...

Jimmy Page carrying a yellow bag?

[VetteLS5]

The record as whole sounds it was made in less than 2 hours.

With the amount of coke/speed that Bowie purportedly took during the 70's, this may very well be true.

[chefcraig]

Bowie was being too experimental for his own good. I can give him credit for attempting to make each album he recorded during the 70's to be different but he did not know when to hold back. 'Sold The World' is too muddy for me. And too bland. Even the songs suffer from a lack of constancy from each other. The record as whole sounds it was made in less than 2 hours.

It really could have benefited from an outside producer. Tony Visconti produced, and decided to whack his bass up full in the mix, creating a Stooges-like sound that didn't fit the material in the least. The only way to listen to the damned thing is with the stereo's EQ levels set at bizarre lengths, or barring that, shutting the bass down to almost zero. Even then it sounds like you are listening to an AM radio inside a taxi parked under a bridge.

[chefcraig]

Jimmy Page carrying a yellow bag?


It's more or less a trend...

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w235/thealmightychoirgrrl/0008ebqb.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/thealmightychoirgrrl/media/0008ebqb.jpg.html)

[Kristy]

With the amount of coke/speed that Bowie purportedly took during the 70's, this may very well be true.

I can buy into that as Bowie's excuse for the reason(s) why a lot of his 70's output was so haphazard. Station To Station was a record Bowie has claimed he has "no memory of making" due to heavy cocaine and alcohol use yet it doesn't sound like it at all. Station has a lot of heavy-handed guitar riffs (moreso than any previous Bowie outing including Ziggy) much of them (if not all) written by Carlos Alomar and played at high studio volume as if it's a Carlos Alomar soloing effort with Bowie guesting on vocals. It does make you wonder if Bowie was as wasted as he said he was how much of his 70's catalog was really him.

[Kristy]

Jimmy Page carrying a yellow bag?

It's his AARP shopping bag.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/913f4b6156391b7799214cf67a41f18f/tumblr_mp8p9hYioy1sv6a7eo1_400.jpg

The dude will be 70 next year.

[chefcraig]

I can buy into that as Bowie's excuse for the reason(s) why a lot of his 70's output was so haphazard. Station To Station was a record Bowie has claimed he has "no memory of making" due to heavy cocaine and alcohol use yet it doesn't sound like it at all. Station has a lot of heavy-handed guitar riffs (moreso than any previous Bowie outing including Ziggy) much of them (if not all) written by Carlos Alomar and played at high studio volume as if it's a Carlos Alomar soloing effort with Bowie guesting on vocals. It does make you wonder if Bowie was as wasted as he said he was how much of his 70's catalog was really him.

I never did quite get why Earl Slick was credited with so much from that album, when he basically came in at the last moment and only played on a handful of tracks, essentially laying down some quite-not-that-interesting blues scales and squeals. It was Alomar that did most of the heavy lifting and arranging, yet he gets little (if any) credit for the work.

[Mr. Vengeance]

Seriously dude. move out of your parents basement. Maybe Elvis' social worker can help you.

Then again...

Please shut up until you're willing to tell us all the fabulous bands you like. Next she's gonna hit us with a "you work at Burger King" blast.

Trolls gonna troll.

Cunt.

[Kristy]

A lot of Bowie's success was due to having a heavy guitar riff. Ronson was a genuis at playing them but lacked of lot of insight on how to write them. Alamor was noisy player but he seemed to fit the bill for Bowie's vague lyrics and singing style and Bowle pretty much let him do what he wanted. Where Bowie started to go strange (so to speak) is when he brought in Brian Eno who seems to despise the guitar riff; Low and Heroes weren't bad albums but they were hardly memorable, either sounding more ambient than straight up post-glam rock 'n' roll. Bowie knew had something with Alamor and Visconti bringing them back to finish the "Berlin Trilogy" with 'Lodger' and continued with 'Scary Monsters'

I don't know why Bowie fucked up such a great formula. Seems the guy can work with anyone who can play a decent riff and forge a great song around it. To me, Bowie's last record that was enjoyable was 'Let's Dance' not so much for the SRV solos but Nile Rodgers astonishing funky Strat fretwork and reduction that didn't allow for a lot of that early 80's synth sound. For some reason Bowie dropped all that and hasn't made a record worth a shit since.

[Kristy]

Please shut up until you're willing to tell us all the fabulous bands you like. Next she's gonna hit us with a "you work at Burger King" blast.

Trolls gonna troll.

Cunt.
I believe I answered your question long ago. You are one angry old man, aren't you?

[Kristy]

Fool In The Rain is like a half-assed Steely Dan track.

How so? Sounds more like a bland attempt of mimicking Harry Belafonte with one highly annoying pseudo-Calypso piano groove. Steely Dan has originality, Zeppelin does not and never did. You can't compare the two. 'Fool In The Rain' is a blatant rip-off of David Rudder (look him up). Page stole from EVERYBODY and I do mean everybody. This is why Zeppy fans are so incredibly stupid and clueless. Page made millions off of their ignorance.

[Mr. Vengeance]

I believe I answered your question long ago. You are one angry old man, aren't you?

Here we go with the "old man" bit again. Get a new act.

[Mr. Vengeance]

How so? Sounds more like a bland attempt of mimicking Harry Belafonte with one highly annoying pseudo-Calypso piano groove. Steely Dan has originality, Zeppelin does not and never did. You can't compare the two. 'Fool In The Rain' is a blatant rip-off of David Rudder (look him up). Page stole from EVERYBODY and I do mean everybody. This is why Zeppy fans are so incredibly stupid and clueless. Page made millions off of their ignorance.

Steely Dan has just as much shit in their catalogue as anyone else. Everyone steals something from the people that came before them. Zeppelin just did it a lot better than others. They had some blatant rips early on in their career, and even had to credit some of the people on later pressings of the albums, but it doesn't take away from the actual songs. Want to call Page a scumbag, go ahead, but there's no denying that the four of those guys together, made magic on record. And people still buy and re-buy the albums even though people know Zep took a lot from others, so Zep fans aren't clueless, we just want good tunes.

Steely Dan, I enjoy in small doses, but they also can put you to sleep with their self-indulgence- something Zeppelin can also be accused of. SD is pretty boring shit if you're not in the right mood. I certainly wouldn't put it on to try and crank up a party, but I'd put it on if I was having dinner guests.

[FORD]

I hate Steely Dan more than Kristy hates Zeppelin.

Two guys is not a "band". And their late 70's disco songs were even more annoying than "Carousel-goddamnthisdumbfuckingsonggoesonforever-ambra".

[Mr. Vengeance]

I hate Steely Dan more than Kristy hates Zeppelin.

Two guys is not a "band". And their late 70's disco songs were even more annoying than "Carousel-goddamnthisdumbfuckingsonggoesonforever-ambra".

They're wildly inconsistent. I love the song "Hey 19"...brings back a lot of memories. But the album it's on, Gaucho, not much else there. Overproduced like fuck!

[sonrisa salvaje]

I hate Steely Dan more than Kristy hates Zeppelin.

Two guys is not a "band". And their late 70's disco songs were even more annoying than "Carousel-goddamnthisdumbfuckingsonggoesonforever-ambra".

Are you referring to Deacon Blues and FM?

[FORD]

The worst of all would be "Peg". That piece of shit might has well have been on a Bee Gees album.

[Kristy]

...but I'd put it on if I was having dinner guests.

So your social worker likes Steely Dan? Is that what you're trying to say here? The rest of your rhetoric sounds like grumpy old man speak.

[Mr. Vengeance]

So your social worker likes Steely Dan? Is that what you're trying to say here? The rest of your rhetoric sounds like grumpy old man speak.

You're makng me cry.....sniff. I always knew that one day while discussing music on the internet, some dried up cunt with a stick up her ass, and angry at life because no one wants to fuck her, would make me cry......Boooo hooooooooooooo.

[Kristy]

So that would be a yes. Don't miss your next appointment and see if you can get your medication increased.

[Mr. Vengeance]

You'd be far more fun to spar with, if you weren't so repetitive and boring as shit.

And if your act hadn't already grown stale long ago.

[Kristy]

Save your anger for your therapist.

[Von Halen]

I hate Steely Dan more than Kristy hates Zeppelin.



You couldn't pay me to listen to Steely Dan.

[Nickdfresh]

You couldn't pay me to listen to Steely Dan.

You couldn't torture me enough to listen to Steely Dan...

[Von Halen]

You couldn't torture me enough to listen to Steely Dan...

Speaking of torture, I'd rather spend an hour with Kristy than listen to Steely Dan for 1 minute!

[Nickdfresh]

Fuck, I rather listen to the entire album "Standing in Hampton" than any fucking Steely Dan song, while holding Kristy's hand!

[Igosplut]

You couldn't pay me to listen to Steely Dan.

Or Loverboy?

[Von Halen]

Or Loverboy?

Love the headbands!


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[Igosplut]

Don't forget the red leather pants.....

[chefcraig]

Speaking of torture, I'd rather spend an hour with Kristy than listen to Steely Dan for 1 minute!

I dunno...to this day, I believe that The Royal Scam is just about the finest guitar album from the 1970s. The combined efforts of Larry Carlton and Elliott Randall are enough to make your head spin.

[Mr. Vengeance]

I've been sucked into buying a couple of their albums, (Aja, Gaucho) because one song I heard was good. What I should have realized is that all their albums really only have a song or two that are any good. Just buy their greatest hits and throw it on if you're lying on a deck chair with some drinks.

[DLR Bridge]

Aja is a decently sublime tune. Hand full of others are decent, too. I would agree with the Greatest Hits way to go.

Hate to say it here, but Dave's version of My Old School didn't quite work.

[Kristy]

Don't forget the red leather pants.....

More of a pinkish-red.

[Zing!]

Late to the party as usual, but I guess I have crappy taste in music... I always liked Led Zep III. I find it more listenable (not necessarily better) than the first two albums and the fourth, simply because those are way overplayed by classic rock stations. Other than Immigrant Song, you hardly hear any cuts from this on the radio - and Out on the Tiles is one of my favorite overlooked Zep tunes, even if it is half-assed. Physical Graffiti will always be my fave Zep album with Presence neck and neck for the title, but I thought III was a solid effort. Obviously there's some Zep/Page hate for their shameless plagiarism, etc., and I get that, but musically they work for me. To each his or her own.

[Hardrock69]

The material they played, who wrote it, where it came from, what influenced it.....is all a bunch of fucking horseshit.

Anyone truly bothered by all that crap is missing the point.

That band had a chemistry that was unrivaled by 99.9% of all bands that have ever existed.

Go look at some of the early shit especially. Like the complete Stockholm TV broadcast. The four individual members became a single organism during that performance. They were all on the same wavelength. A situation you almost never see with bands. Some of them really have that symbiotic performance where they just lock in and it is THE level where performer becomes performance and vice versa.

As a unit they were terrifyingly electric in their first 7 or 8 years. They began to slow down after about 1975.....not as electrifying, but still, a great band to be seen live.....

It did not hurt that they were able to write classic rock anthems that are timeless.....but the one thing that made them stand out from the word go was their ability to consistently and mercilessly blow their audience away in a live performance setting.

Rant and bitch and moan all you guys want about "Oh they ripped people off" or "They stole that song from that old black man".

Fuck that stupid shit. It is only a footnote to their legacy at best.

[Hardrock69]

As for the Chromium Cob band (Steely Dan), IF I ever wanted to own anything by them, I would most definitely only get their greatest hits album. Aside from their hits, a lot of their crap is just overproduced pretentiously sarcastic dogshit.

I was a teenager when they came into public view. Listened to "Reelin' In The Years" on my AM radio, among other things. They have their place in the musical history of the late 20th-Century.

But in general I would rather listen to something a bit heavier.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLsO61aQik4

[Mr. Vengeance]

The material they played, who wrote it, where it came from, what influenced it.....is all a bunch of fucking horseshit.

Anyone truly bothered by all that crap is missing the point.

That band had a chemistry that was unrivaled by 99.9% of all bands that have ever existed.

Go look at some of the early shit especially. Like the complete Stockholm TV broadcast. The four individual members became a single organism during that performance. They were all on the same wavelength. A situation you almost never see with bands. Some of them really have that symbiotic performance where they just lock in and it is THE level where performer becomes performance and vice versa.

As a unit they were terrifyingly electric in their first 7 or 8 years. They began to slow down after about 1975.....not as electrifying, but still, a great band to be seen live.....

It did not hurt that they were able to write classic rock anthems that are timeless.....but the one thing that made them stand out from the word go was their ability to consistently and mercilessly blow their audience away in a live performance setting.

Rant and bitch and moan all you guys want about "Oh they ripped people off" or "They stole that song from that old black man".

Fuck that stupid shit. It is only a footnote to their legacy at best.

Yup. As I said earlier, everyone takes from others in music. Zep were just better at it than most.

[Kristy]

Don't fucking bring absolute shit like Slayer in here!

[Mushroom]

...can suck my cock.

WTF!!! Kristy you lied to me! I guess I will have to cancel that trip to Colorado and head on over to Vegas!! :doh:

[Mushroom]

the LP version of Immigrant Song should have been cut with a real guitar solo!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlNhD0oS5pk

[Mushroom]

Led Zep II fucking rocks...
Whole Lotta Love
What is and What Should Never Be
The Lemon Song
Thank You
Heartbreaker
Living Loving Maid
Ramble On
Moby Dick
Bring it on Home

[Headly1984]

Wow

People hate Zepp III & Steely Dan ??

Steely Dan - Kid Charlemagne

Zepp III - SIBLY

Some Bands have a great song, some a great album, very few attain VH, LZ, PF, RS, top tier for all time bands

Zepp III may not be great - but it contained enough solid songs like Friends, and Gallows Pole to be a decent record imho

[loucap81]

Speaking of torture, I'd rather spend an hour with Kristy than listen to Steely Dan for 1 minute!

Who's worse in your opinion--Steely Dan or The Police?

Led Zeppelin were my first true music love; I was obsessed with them for a good part of high school. And now as I get older I just think they're a solid rock band, but nothing to get excited over. I think this happened because

1) Once I became informed as to how much they stole from other people, that ruined the mystique for me;

2) How many times can you sing "Ooh," "woah," "yeah" and "baby" to fill the melodic lines before it gets stale;

3) Having since vastly expanded my musical tastes and giving weird, non-commercial stuff like King Crimson and Porcupine Tree a try, Zep sounds pretty straightforward to my ears anymore. Only John Paul Jones seemed to be interested in different moods, sonic palettes and what have you as their career progressed, whereas the other three seemed content to just keep doing straightforward rock and blues. Did Page really change his guitar tone much or try new things the way that Eddie Van Halen did on WACF and Fair Warning? A little on Houses of the Holy but after that, back to more of the same.

They never did put together a tremendously complex piece of music either, or anything that challenges the listener. They wrote a tremendous amount of long songs, sure, but very little with difficult rhythms, intentional dissonances, jazz chords, atonal melodies, songs with changing moods and sounds, any of that stuff. I think Carouselambra was an attempt at something more intricate but it just totally missed the mark. Consider on the other hand a band like Yes. I think their stuff is pretty hit or miss, but their songs are undeniably challenging as hell. Led Zeppelin, no.

This isn't to take away that they were a good rock band highlighted by a great rhythm section. And there's no doubt they rocked hard. Their intensity is probably their greatest attribute. But when you consider all the other music that's out there, even just the music by their contemporaries, they fall short of greatness to my ears anymore.

[Headly1984]

Who's worse in your opinion--Steely Dan or The Police? - the Police were pure pop video rock? with a few interesting early songs that were ok compared to crap that was being pushed on radio then imho

Led Zeppelin were my first true music love; I was obsessed with them for a good part of high school. And now as I get older I just think they're a solid rock band, but nothing to get excited over. I think this happened because

1) Once I became informed as to how much they stole from other people, that ruined the mystique for me;

2) How many times can you sing "Ooh," "woah," "yeah" and "baby" to fill the melodic lines before it gets stale;

3) Having since vastly expanded my musical tastes and giving weird, non-commercial stuff like King Crimson and Porcupine Tree a try, Zep sounds pretty straightforward to my ears anymore. Only John Paul Jones seemed to be interested in different moods, sonic palettes and what have you as their career progressed, whereas the other three seemed content to just keep doing straightforward rock and blues. Did Page really change his guitar tone much or try new things the way that Eddie Van Halen did on WACF and Fair Warning? A little on Houses of the Holy but after that, back to more of the same.

They never did put together a tremendously complex piece of music either, or anything that challenges the listener. They wrote a tremendous amount of long songs, sure, but very little with difficult rhythms, intentional dissonances, jazz chords, atonal melodies, songs with changing moods and sounds, any of that stuff. I think Carouselambra was an attempt at something more intricate but it just totally missed the mark. Consider on the other hand a band like Yes. I think their stuff is pretty hit or miss, but their songs are undeniably challenging as hell. Led Zeppelin, no.

This isn't to take away that they were a good rock band highlighted by a great rhythm section. And there's no doubt they rocked hard. Their intensity is probably their greatest attribute. But when you consider all the other music that's out there, even just the music by their contemporaries, they fall short of greatness to my ears anymore.

zepp live was 'muddy' and bombastic to fill an auditorium from what I hear on the bootlegs - they might have been a one trick pony but it was a hell of a trick =)! - 2 trick really, in the studio Page did some amazing work with over dubs and effect

[Terry]

The material they played, who wrote it, where it came from, what influenced it.....is all a bunch of fucking horseshit.

Anyone truly bothered by all that crap is missing the point.

That band had a chemistry that was unrivaled by 99.9% of all bands that have ever existed.

Go look at some of the early shit especially. Like the complete Stockholm TV broadcast. The four individual members became a single organism during that performance. They were all on the same wavelength. A situation you almost never see with bands. Some of them really have that symbiotic performance where they just lock in and it is THE level where performer becomes performance and vice versa.

As a unit they were terrifyingly electric in their first 7 or 8 years. They began to slow down after about 1975.....not as electrifying, but still, a great band to be seen live.....

It did not hurt that they were able to write classic rock anthems that are timeless.....but the one thing that made them stand out from the word go was their ability to consistently and mercilessly blow their audience away in a live performance setting.

Rant and bitch and moan all you guys want about "Oh they ripped people off" or "They stole that song from that old black man".

Fuck that stupid shit. It is only a footnote to their legacy at best.

Early live Zep, talkin' 1968 to 1971, that band WAS on fire. No doubt about that. In point of fact, these days I'd sooner listen to bootlegs of that period than the actual albums released during that time frame (with the exception of 4).

Yeah, they nicked some blues licks here and there. I'm not quite as bothered by that as some are: it's not a factor that negates their entire career for me (the fact that When The Levee Breaks was originally a Memphis Minnie song doesn't make Zep's take on it any less excellent).

Zeppelin was, in my estimation, Overall one of the best all time rock bands. That's doesn't make the Led Zep 3 album any less of a dud or the 1977 Led Zeppelin tour any less of an endurance test to listen to. No band...NO BAND...bats 1000%.

[Zing!]

I'm with you on boots/live Zep any more. I listened to the studio albums so much in my youth that - with the exception of III, Presence and Graffiti, I don't have the patience for them. Strangely, that never happened with =VH= albums. I can still listen to the 7-pack and not suffer burn-out.

[Kristy]

Led Zep II fucking rocks...

No, it fucking sucks.

[binnie]

Early live Zep, talkin' 1968 to 1971, that band WAS on fire. No doubt about that. In point of fact, these days I'd sooner listen to bootlegs of that period than the actual albums released during that time frame (with the exception of 4).

Yeah, they nicked some blues licks here and there. I'm not quite as bothered by that as some are: it's not a factor that negates their entire career for me (the fact that When The Levee Breaks was originally a Memphis Minnie song doesn't make Zep's take on it any less excellent).

Zeppelin was, in my estimation, Overall one of the best all time rock bands. That's doesn't make the Led Zep 3 album any less of a dud or the 1977 Led Zeppelin tour any less of an endurance test to listen to. No band...NO BAND...bats 1000%.

Indeed. I was cranking the 'How The West Was Won' set when the sun was out here a couple of weeks ago. Rarely have I smiled so much in my life :D

[Nickdfresh]

Don't forget the red leather pants.....

I used to hate Loverboy like Elton John hates vagina. But I have to admit there are few better feelings in this world when "Workin' For The Weekend" comes on the radio on a Friday afternoon...

[Nickdfresh]

Yup. As I said earlier, everyone takes from others in music. Zep were just better at it than most.

This is true to an extent, but they took more than most and were such shameless cunts about it...

[Angel]

I used to hate Loverboy like Elton John hates vagina. But I have to admit there are few better feelings in this world when "Workin' For The Weekend" comes on the radio on a Friday afternoon...

I loved Loverboy when they first hit. Saw them at a free concert in the park a few weeks after their first album came out and they rocked the park. Couldn't stand them later though. My ex played pool with Reno at a peeler bar in Victoria in the 80's. Said he was a kooky character...

[Nickdfresh]

As for Led Zeppelin III, I'd never heard it from beginning to end until about seven years ago. It's not that I'm a musical illiterate, it's that I hated Led Zeppelin that much in high school and pretty much up into my thirties. My high school had a lame, morning TV show (closed circuit) and they always played "Immigrant Song" and this only drove me more into the punk, anti-classic rock mindset I had at the time as Zep was literally played hourly on local radio. The awful Zeppelin ripoffs of the 80's and early-90's like Whitesnake didn't help. Then one day, while driving long distance, I heard "Dazed and Confused" on a Canadian rock station live and in it's 20+ minute entirety and was dazed and confused enough to buy "How The West Was Won" and got into them ever since. I even bought the latest box set.

Yes. they are a tad overrated, they ripped off lots of dead black guys from the American South, and they were pretentious, hypocritical cunts at times. But God as my witness, I don't think anybody brought it live like Led Zeppelin did from 1969-1974 before smack and prodigious amounts of alcohol degrading their collective abilities. And regardless of their thefts, they also had the ability to express feelings of 13-year old white boys that still reside in all of us...

[Nickdfresh]

I loved Loverboy when they first hit. Saw them at a free concert in the park a few weeks after their first album came out and they rocked the park. Couldn't stand them later though. My ex played pool with Reno at a peeler bar in Victoria in the 80's. Said he was a kooky character...

I used to bit torrent bootlegs off a site that was run by a guy that knows Reno from Toronto. I think some were busting on Loverboy there, so he put a pic of Reno in all his headbanded glory with the caption, "The Last True Man!" :D I've also heard he's a strange bird...

[Mr. Vengeance]

It's easy to suffer from Zep burnout. Espcially if you're a classic rock fan. One radio station here used to have a "Get the Led out" thing every day at 7pm. They'd play 3 Zep tunes every day at that time. After a while it's kinda like, "Yeah yeah...There's "Dancin' Days" again"...

[Kristy]

Indeed. I was cranking the 'How The West Was Won' set when the sun was out here a couple of weeks ago. Rarely have I smiled so much in my life :D

Hippie.

[Terry]

It's easy to suffer from Zep burnout. Espcially if you're a classic rock fan. One radio station here used to have a "Get the Led out" thing every day at 7pm. They'd play 3 Zep tunes every day at that time. After a while it's kinda like, "Yeah yeah...There's "Dancin' Days" again"...

Amen to that.

Especially tunes such as:

Rock and Roll
Stairway To Heaven
Whole Lotta Love
Black Dog

Way overplayed. Went through a huge Zeppelin listening binge in the 1980s with the studio albums. Obviously the band was miles above the Zepp imitations that surfaced in the 1980s. They were a pretty diverse band, and they had the cache and standing in the music biz in the 1970s to just play what they wanted, record what they liked, give it to Atlantic and insist it be put out as-is. I suppose that's what I appreciate about them now, in that seemingly there wasn't a lot of input or shaping of the music by people outside of the band. It wasn't music made by a bunch of record company pr committee. You didn't have some poofter poseur like John Kalodner trying to manufacture a hit sound or singles.

[chefcraig]

Go...

[Kristy]

Love Zep. Always have, always will. That said, III is my second least favorite album, right behind In Through the Out Door.

Another Dane Cook fan.

[Mushroom]

This is good stuff


the LP version of Immigrant Song should have been cut with a real guitar solo!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlNhD0oS5pk

[Kristy]

No, that is pathetic.

[wolfsbane]

So, it's not that I hate Zeppelin, but I have heard it too many times and it is not interesting anymore.

Yes, Zeppelin III sux. But In through the Out door is not as bad as you guys think it was. Remember that it came just after Presence - which was horrible.

Why dwell on things you don't like?

BTW, Jason Bonham is a horrible drummer. Thank you Robert Plant for not making me suffer his drumming.

[Nitro Express]

Would a naked girl squatting and peeing on Led Zeppelin III be considered art? Jimmy Page collects vinyl. He's dodgy enough to come out with a few pressings and sell them for big bucks. A girl peeing on a CD just won't cut it. It has to be an old school album cover.

Then you take the same chick and shoot her in a tub covered in kosher dills. Is there a message here? Probably. All I know is it's twisted enough Pagie would love it. Of course his huge ego couldn't take the urinating on his precious album. Make it an album of an original artist he ripped off and he would love it! Break out the mud shark!

[Nitro Express]

Don't fuck with Jimmy man (3:55)

[Mr. Vengeance]

Don't fuck with Jimmy man (3:55)

He seems totally credible........Good laugh though.

[Nitro Express]

He seems totally credible........Good laugh though.

It never gets old. I laugh every time I watch it. Don't drink Clorox and how does one get a job where you just get high and watch other people work? I guess you never collect your pay with that gig. I guess he got paid in drugs?

[twonabomber]

Why dwell on things you don't like?


Funny that Kristy liked a post that contained that sentence.

[Mr. Vengeance]

Funny that Kristy liked a post that contained that sentence.
Don't look for logic in cuntiness.....

[Headly1984]

Led Zepp burnout is easy - they only put out so much music, kinda like CVH, but LZ had no two consecutive records sound the same, ea one gets ya hooked to exhaustion if ya like their style

I have periods where I play CODA often, then I or Physical,wander into Houses and kinda stay away from II and IV - except parties or road trips & I have grown to enjoy ITTOD more w/time - Carouselambra, hot dog, fool, all of, & I'm gonna crawl is a good bit too - IGC has it all, what's not to like, a lot ..


Why is CVH so good imltho - they were fun, they captured the California Summer sound better than the Beach Boys...& - they played well at all tempo's , loud or ?? and CVH lyrics were pure Rock, like Bon Scott or Van Zandt - few words to say alot & lots of party - fun and chick songs .. stuff guys like .. damn straight ROCK @ it's finest

led zepp v. CVH - apples n oranges - totally diff sounds & intent

[Jérôme Frenchise]

Kristy, maybe you don't get high enough to enjoy Led Zeppelin. :umm:

That said, the older I get, the less often I listen to them. It's not that I don't like LZ anymore, but it's been just an album now and then for a few years.
Since I was disappointed with the "Year of the Dragon" bootleg I've grown less enthusiastic about the band. I won't consider them less great because of that, but that boot sharply lessened my interest.

[Kristy]

Don't look for logic in cuntiness.....

Go fuck a moving car.

[Kristy]

Kristy, maybe you don't get high enough to enjoy Led Zeppelin. :umm:

What is wrong with you? Never waste good weed on Zeppelin.

[Jérôme Frenchise]

So maybe it just doesn't work on weed - I've never tried both at the same time. I thought it did, though.

Nothing wrong with your hating LZ (I can understand some of your arguments) nor getting high.

Peace :smoke2:

[78/84 guy]

As I said upthread, I saw them at the last concert at the old Boston Garden in the 90s. I will say that it was a great show, and they did it very well. And it was probably the loudest concert I've been to also (loud-good as opposed to a Kiss-loud=BAD) Coarse Page wasn't loaded to the scuppers on Heroin, and Percy was in great voice.....

Yea both those tours were great. Liked 98 better without the string section. But that was cool also. Funny thing was I hated Zep III until I heard the MTV Unleaded stuff.