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DavidLeeNatra
10-24-2013, 05:35 PM
Not that I think Romney or McCain would have made anything better...but what this motherfucker and your totally fucked up and paranoid regime does is against ANYTHING what your founding fathers stood for. take your bill of rights and wipe your ass with it as you don't give a fuck about human rights spying on your allies and your so called befriended nations and their governments.

and here is one for the NSA filters scanning our forum as it scans everything we do on the WWW:

FUCK YOU MR. PRESIDENT!

leader of the free world my ass...the land of the free my ass...you are nothing better than that chimpy Bush and his GESTAPO homeland security madness...you MAKE terrorists, you create hate and fury against your country and your people. So if I haven't mentioned it:

FUCK YOU MR. PRESIDENT!

:finger33:

ashstralia
10-24-2013, 07:11 PM
Geez DLN, tell us what you REALLY think! lol

Satan
10-24-2013, 07:16 PM
I'm guessing this has something to do with the recent revelations that the NSA has been snooping around on Angela Merkel's phone.

Angela Merkel's Cell Phone Tapped By NSA? U.S. Accused Of Spying On German Chancellor

By GEIR MOULSON and JOHN-THOR DAHLBURG 10/23/13 03:20 PM ET EDT AP

BERLIN -- BERLIN (AP) — German Chancellor Angela Merkel complained to President Barack Obama on Wednesday after learning that U.S. intelligence may have targeted her mobile phone, saying that would be "a serious breach of trust" if confirmed.

For its part, the White House denied that the U.S. is listening in on Merkel's phone calls now.

"The president assured the chancellor that the United States is not monitoring and will not monitor the communications of the chancellor," White House spokesman Jay Carney said. "The United States greatly values our close cooperation with Germany on a broad range of shared security challenges."

However, Carney did not specifically say that that U.S. had never monitored or obtained Merkel's communications.

The German government said it responded after receiving "information that the chancellor's cellphone may be monitored" by U.S. intelligence. It wouldn't elaborate, but German news magazine Der Spiegel, which has published material from NSA leaker Edward Snowden, said its research triggered the response.

Merkel spokesman Steffen Seibert said in a statement the chancellor made clear to Obama in a phone call that "she views such practices, if the indications are confirmed ... as completely unacceptable."

Merkel said among close partners such as Germany and the U.S., "there must not be such surveillance of a head of government's communication," Seibert added. "That would be a serious breach of trust. Such practices must be stopped immediately."

Carney, the White House spokesman, said the U.S. is examining Germany's concerns as part of an ongoing review of how the U.S. gathers intelligence.

The White House has cited that review in responding to similar spying concerns from France, Brazil and other countries.

U.S. allies knew that the Americans were spying on them, but they had no idea how much.

As details of National Security Agency spying programs have become public, citizens, activists and politicians in countries from Latin America to Europe have lined up to express shock and outrage at the scope of Washington's spying.

Merkel had previously raised concerns over the electronic eavesdropping issue when Obama visited Germany in June, has demanded answers from the U.S. government and backed calls for greater European data protection. Wednesday's statement, however, was much more sharply worded and appeared to reflect frustration over the answers provided so far by the U.S. government.

Merkel called for U.S. authorities to clarify the extent of surveillance in Germany and to provide answers to "questions that the German government asked months ago," Seibert said.

Overseas politicians are also using the threat to their citizens' privacy to drum up their numbers at the polls — or to distract attention from their own domestic problems. Some have even downplayed the matter to keep good relations with Washington.

After a Paris newspaper reported the NSA had swept up 70.3 million French telephone records in a 30-day period, the French government called the U.S. ambassador in for an explanation and put the issue of personal data protection on the agenda of the European Union summit that opens Thursday.

"Why are these practices, as they're reported — which remains to be clarified — unacceptable? First because they are taking place between partners, between allies, and then because they clearly are an affront to private life," Najat Vallaud-Belkacem, the French government spokeswoman, said Wednesday.

But the official French position — that friendly nations should not spy on each another — can't be taken literally, a former French foreign minister said.

"The magnitude of the eavesdropping is what shocked us," Bernard Kouchner said in a radio interview. "Let's be honest, we eavesdrop too. Everyone is listening to everyone else. But we don't have the same means as the United States, which makes us jealous. "

The French government, which until this week had been largely silent in the face of widespread U.S. snooping on its territory, may have other reasons to speak out now. The furor over the NSA managed to draw media attention away from France's controversial expulsion of a Roma family at a time when French President Francois Hollande's popularity is at a historic low. Just 23 percent of French approve of the job he is doing, according to a recent poll.

In Germany, opposition politicians, the media and privacy activists have been vocal in their outrage over the U.S. eavesdropping. Up until now, Merkel had worked hard to contain the damage to U.S.-German relations and refrained from saying anything bad about the Americans.

Merkel has said previously her country was "dependent" on cooperation with the American spy agencies — crediting an American tip as the reason that security services foiled an Islamic terror plot in 2007 that targeted U.S. soldiers and citizens in Germany.

In Italy, major newspapers reported that a parliamentary committee was told the U.S. had intercepted phone calls, emails and text messages of Italians. Premier Enrico Letta raised the topic of spying during a visit Wednesday with Secretary of State John Kerry. A senior State Department official said Kerry made it clear the Obama administration's goal was to strike the right balance between security needs and privacy expectations.

Few countries have responded as angrily to U.S. spying than Brazil. President Dilma Rousseff took the extremely rare diplomatic step of canceling a visit to Washington where she had been scheduled to receive a full state dinner this week.

Analysts say her anger is genuine, though also politically profitable, for Rousseff faces a competitive re-election campaign next year.

David Fleischer, a political scientist at the University of Brasilia, said since the Sept. 11 attacks Brazilian governments knew the Americans had stepped up spying efforts.

"But what the government did not know was that Dilma's office had been hacked as well," Fleischer said.

Information the NSA collected in Mexico appears to have largely focused on drug-fighting policies or government personnel trends. But the U.S. agency also allegedly spied on the emails of two Mexican presidents, Enrique Pena Nieto, the incumbent, and Felipe Calderon.

The Mexican government has reacted cautiously, calling the targeting of the presidents "unacceptable." Pena Nieto has demanded an investigation but hasn't cancelled any visits or contacts, a strategy that Mexico's opposition and some analysts see as weak.

"Other countries, like Brazil, have had responses that are much more resounding than our country," said Sen. Gabriela Cuevas of Mexico's conservative National Action Party.

Yet Mexico has much-closer economic and political ties to the United States that the Mexican government apparently does not want to endanger.

Beyond politics, the NSA espionage has been greeted with relative equanimity in Mexico, since the government has had close intelligence cooperation with the United States for years in the war on drugs.

"The country we should really be spying on now is New Zealand, to see if we can get enough information so the national team can win a qualifying berth at the World Cup," Mexican columnist Guadalupe Loaeza wrote.

The two rivals play Nov. 13.

Satan
10-24-2013, 07:20 PM
wait a minute..... since I'm technically a head of state (if you want to consider Hell a "state"), does this mean I should be worried? http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/teufel/d085.gif

ashstralia
10-24-2013, 07:43 PM
We have a running joke here... Whenever I ring my mates we always say g'day to the boys and girls in I.A. (Internal affairs) I'm sure they get a laugh out of it...

DavidLeeNatra
10-24-2013, 07:56 PM
Every mail on this planet should have the words "kill the president" "nuclear suicide bombing in NYC" and "shove up a dildo up Michele's ass and put it on al jaseera" in it. so the NSA - server get a massive overload!

fraroc
10-24-2013, 07:58 PM
To be honest, even though I can be pretty liberal, I was never a big supporter of Obama. It did annoy me that the only reason why he came out for gay rights was to get the LGBT vote, just like how he got the black vote simply for being African American. He definitely manipulated the gay community into supporting him because he knew that Romney and Santorum were both homophobic cunts.

Kristy
10-24-2013, 08:06 PM
To be honest, even though I can be pretty liberal, I was never a big supporter of Obama. It did annoy me that the only reason why he came out for gay rights was to get the LGBT vote, just like how he got the black vote simply for being African American. He definitely manipulated the gay community into supporting him because he knew that Romney and Santorum were both homophobic cunts.

Wow. How profound. Say how's that book coming along? 'The Little Air Conditioner That Could' or something? Any callbacks from your "agent" yet?

fraroc
10-24-2013, 08:07 PM
Wow. How profound. Say how's that book coming along? 'The Little Air Conditioner That Could' or something? Any callbacks from your "agent" yet?

I didn't need the commentary you little fucking dirty disgusting fucking prostitute fucking wasteoid dog bitch.

Kristy
10-24-2013, 08:20 PM
Such a rich vocabulary, too! Faulkner or Hemingway have nothing on you.

ELVIS
10-24-2013, 10:36 PM
I didn't need the commentary you little fucking dirty disgusting fucking prostitute fucking wasteoid dog bitch.

What a writer...:biggrin:

DavidLeeNatra
10-25-2013, 02:24 AM
I didn't need the commentary you little fucking dirty disgusting fucking prostitute fucking wasteoid dog bitch.

could you add "kill the american president" to your post to give the NSA server some work? :biggrin:

oh...fuck you mr. NSA - wanker, reading that post...we are KIDDING here!

Nickdfresh
10-25-2013, 06:40 AM
I didn't need the commentary you little fucking dirty disgusting fucking prostitute fucking wasteoid dog bitch.

Wordsmith! Is that you, Shakespeare?

fraroc
10-25-2013, 09:10 AM
I'm just being honest, I thought by now it was pretty common knowledge that Krusty is a fucking no-good cunt.

jacksmar
10-25-2013, 09:56 AM
The Kenyan Houseboy is a neo-Leninist communist. He has no respect for a nation that has been ravaged by wars, built one of the greatest economy's through manufacturing and product exports without any resources, and has the some of the worlds best food and F1 drivers.

Germany uses oil and that fact puts the whole country on his enemies list.

Fuck Ubama.

Nickdfresh
10-25-2013, 10:18 AM
The Kenyan Houseboy is a neo-Leninist communist. He has no respect for a nation that has been ravaged by wars, built one of the greatest economy's through manufacturing and product exports without any resources, and has the some of the worlds best food and F1 drivers.

Germany uses oil and that fact puts the whole country on his enemies list.

Fuck Ubama.

But I always thought he was a retro-Trotskyist! :(

jacksmar
10-25-2013, 10:43 AM
It's amazing how Trotsky found Marxism a burden to his family at the hands of Stalin. But I guess your point, along with the other 99% is that it just depends on who's in charge of administering national socialism. And just like Natra figured out, Ubama will shit on anything and anyone that does not bow to his administration.

Ubama sent Tim to Germany to have her setup a short term stimulus. Merkel didn't go for it.
Ubama started bombing Lybia.Merkel didn't go for it.
Ubama gave her the freedom medal. Merkel saw through it.

Maybe Ubama is still pissed at his Brandenburg Gate slight. After all, we are dealing with pious and unlettered neophyte.

Satan
10-25-2013, 10:58 AM
Germany uses oil and that fact puts the whole country on his enemies list.



They have also replaced their nuclear power industry with solar to the point where their national grid is actually oversaturated with solar power and they have to rebuild it to handle the capacity.

But you forgot to mention that one, since it doesn't fit the teabagger talking points.

jacksmar
10-25-2013, 11:46 AM
They have also replaced their nuclear power industry with solar to the point where their national grid is actually oversaturated with solar power and they have to rebuild it to handle the capacity.

But you forgot to mention that one, since it doesn't fit the teabagger talking points.

The only one with a nutsack in their face is you, racist. Got that liar?

I omitted nothing and your understanding of energy is pathetic. If you're so worried about energy get the fuck off the internet.

You and Ted Bundy enjoy taking turns fucking Ted Kennedy's fat dead bloated carcass in your "pit of despair'.

Satan
10-25-2013, 12:28 PM
I'm not worried about energy for my Most Unholy self.

My infernonet connection is powered by 666% locally self-produced geothermal energy. Hell's grid is doing just fine.

As for your bizarre sexual fantasies about what a Devil would do with guys named "Ted", please keep those to yourself. The gates of Hell don't swing that way.

ELVIS
10-25-2013, 01:36 PM
The only one with a nutsack in their face is you, racist. Got that liar?

I omitted nothing and your understanding of energy is pathetic. If you're so worried about energy get the fuck off the internet.

You and Ted Bundy enjoy taking turns fucking Ted Kennedy's fat dead bloated carcass in your "pit of despair'.

:biggrin:

That made my day...

Satan
10-25-2013, 02:05 PM
:biggrin:

That made my day...

Really now??

You and Jerksmear seem to have a lot in common.....

Both of you believe in some really weird fringe right wing politics. And both of you seem to be preoccupied with thoughts of gay sex.

Does this mean Mini-Kiss will be opening for Elvis tribute bands in the near future? http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/teufel/d025.gif

ELVIS
10-25-2013, 02:12 PM
No, it means neither of us are anti-American socialists...

Nickdfresh
10-26-2013, 02:27 PM
It's amazing how Trotsky found Marxism a burden to his family at the hands of Stalin.

I guess if you mean having his fucking head hacked open with an ice pick when you say "burden," I suppose that's one way to put it...


But I guess your point, along with the other 99% is that it just depends on who's in charge of administering national socialism. And just like Natra figured out, Ubama will shit on anything and anyone that does not bow to his administration.

You really ought to take a course on political science, and actually read the Communist Manifesto, because you haven't the first clue about any of it. What you bizarrely refer too as "communism" is actually Keynesian capitalism with gov't intervention in the market place. And Natra is coming from a place completely different than you are. I think his comments echo and agreement with Obama in social policies, it's the uber-spying and paranoid securocrat bullshit he could do without, and so could I. All countries spy on each other, but this is getting ridiculous. They don't need to be tapping the phone of a major ally...


Ubama sent Tim to Germany to have her setup a short term stimulus. Merkel didn't go for it.

Because the Germans are up to their asses supporting the Greeks and Italians! In any case, the Germans are far more "socialist" than we are by your silly definitions and Merkel is more in line with Obama than any American Republican in reality despite her being a conservative German...


Ubama started bombing Lybia.Merkel didn't go for it.

Um, no dude, he didn't actually. It was the British and French that pushed things forward along with the Italians. Obama initially wanted nothing to do with Libya but was forced into it by European and NATO leadership. I mean, dude, do you ever actually read real news? We hardly dropped any ordnance and were only involved with bombing at the very beginning...


Ubama gave her the freedom medal. Merkel saw through it.

I dunno what your hard on for Merkel is. She's far more like Hillary Clinton than Margaret Thatcher in reality...


Maybe Ubama is still pissed at his Brandenburg Gate slight. After all, we are dealing with pious and unlettered neophyte.

I dunno, but I recall Republican attack line monkeys parroting the "Old Europe" slight the Neocon assholes shot at the Germans and French over the Iraq abortion but yet turned out to be right on. Remember, Captain WMD's? Did you enjoy your crispy Freedom Fries?

DavidLeeNatra
10-26-2013, 02:27 PM
the NSA spying on Merkel since 2002...next time you ask for help in some war I hope we give you a big nice:

http://persephonemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/fuckyoukid.jpg

Nickdfresh
10-26-2013, 02:42 PM
the NSA spying on Merkel since 2002...next time you ask for help in some war I hope we give you a big nice:

http://persephonemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/fuckyoukid.jpg

I agree the spying thing was shit and idiotic and someone needs to put a serious check on the NSA. But don't be a hater, bud. One reason why your entire country wasn't a Stasi-run shithole of raped women was the USA. Everything in balance, my friend...

DavidLeeNatra
10-26-2013, 02:45 PM
too bad the USA behave like a Stasi-run shithole...

Nickdfresh
10-26-2013, 02:47 PM
I think the Stasi legacy is one of the reasons why Merkel was so particularly offended, and I agree with her. The NSA should be cut down and the FBI and CIA should be segmented and a new counterterrorist/counterintelligence agency should be created in America focusing on human intelligence and actual evidence of wrongdoing rather than casting a huge net...

Nickdfresh
10-26-2013, 02:49 PM
too bad the USA behave like a Stasi-run shithole...

It's not that bad. I do condemn the spying and am ever more seeing Edward Snowden as a hero. But I think even Merkel would be offended at that statement for what she and her Eastern countrymen endured...

DavidLeeNatra
10-26-2013, 03:02 PM
It's not that bad. I do condemn the spying and am ever more seeing Edward Snowden as a hero. But I think even Merkel would be offended at that statement for what she and her Eastern countrymen endured...

nope...she wouldn't, believe me...not if you just concider what the agencies do. you don't lock away somebody for his political opinion, I'll give you that. But making fotos of EVERY letter that is written and sent in the US, of the adress and the sender, checking every mail, every phone call...this is pure paranoid insanity and something you would expect from some stalinesk regime or some dictator.

ELVIS
10-26-2013, 03:27 PM
It's not that bad.

Hahahahahahahaha...


:biggrin:

Nickdfresh
10-26-2013, 04:13 PM
nope...she wouldn't, believe me...not if you just concider what the agencies do. you don't lock away somebody for his political opinion, I'll give you that. But making fotos of EVERY letter that is written and sent in the US, of the adress and the sender, checking every mail, every phone call...this is pure paranoid insanity and something you would expect from some stalinesk regime or some dictator.

I agree it's needless and creepy and actually BAD for national security...

Nickdfresh
10-26-2013, 04:14 PM
Hahahahahahahaha...


:biggrin:

Then move the fuck out to one of your anarchist utopias! No one will stop you!

Satan
10-27-2013, 01:26 AM
Then move the fuck out to one of your anarchist utopias! No one will stop you!

Somalia!

Lots of guns, lots of religion, no government! It's Alex Jones Wonderland..... well, aside from all the black people anyway.

DavidLeeNatra
10-27-2013, 04:13 AM
Somalia!

Lots of guns, lots of religion, no government! It's Alex Jones Wonderland..... well, aside from all the black people anyway.

good to have the blacks there!!! who do you want to shoot with all those guns then? oh...forgot about the kids...sorry, my bad...

ELVIS
10-27-2013, 03:31 PM
Then move the fuck out to one of your anarchist utopias! No one will stop you!

Why should I move out ??

I'm planning to participate in the rebuilding of this once great nation once you retards are done selling it to the highest globalist banker bidders...

ELVIS
10-27-2013, 03:32 PM
good to have the blacks there!!! who do you want to shoot with all those guns then? oh...forgot about the kids...sorry, my bad...

Don't let yourself get swayed by these losers...

You're too good of a guy...

BITEYOASS
10-28-2013, 01:11 AM
the NSA spying on Merkel since 2002...next time you ask for help in some war I hope we give you a big nice:

http://persephonemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/fuckyoukid.jpg

Well don't worry about that one, since nobody in this country wants to be involved in any war for a very long time. But does this mean helping me with my future beer raid at Oktoberfest is cancelled? LOL :bigwink:

Nickdfresh
10-28-2013, 09:12 AM
Don't let yourself get swayed by these losers...

You're too good of a guy...

Yeah, listen to the jobless paranoid idiot leech...

DrMaddVibe
10-28-2013, 09:30 AM
I agree the spying thing was shit and idiotic and someone needs to put a serious check on the NSA. But don't be a hater, bud. One reason why your entire country wasn't a Stasi-run shithole of raped women was the USA. Everything in balance, my friend...


WAS???

Still is!!!

It should be NO surprise that I'm no supporter of President Obama. What he has done is downright shameful. From spying on citizens in the USA to heads of states in other nations, the constant drone strikes on civilians, the covert wars on almost every continent I have to ask the question..."What did he do to deserve a Nobel Peace Prize?" Is this how the other "winners" conduct themselves?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CIY8m8XlGI

I applaud the OP for stepping up and voicing their opinion. I'm positive it came with a thought out disgust that was simmering to the boiling point that ushered the words to be typed out.

One day perhaps we'll get a President that will unite this nation and return it to it's former glory. The entire "Us vs. Them" game that's been perpetrated on the US voters is over. The 2 party game is a fraud. They're BOTH in on the swindle. They're BOTH reading from the same playbook.

DrMaddVibe
10-28-2013, 09:37 AM
I think the Stasi legacy is one of the reasons why Merkel was so particularly offended, and I agree with her. The NSA should be cut down and the FBI and CIA should be segmented and a new counterterrorist/counterintelligence agency should be created in America focusing on human intelligence and actual evidence of wrongdoing rather than casting a huge net...

Well there's that...AND...

Why Germany wants its 674 tons of gold back


Movie scriptwriters, rejoice!

Germany’s central bank will relocate 54,000 solid gold bars, worth about $36 billion, from deep underneath the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and the Banque de France in Paris to the safe confines of German soil -- vaults at the Bundesbank’s Frankfurt headquarters.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2013/01/goldbars_thumb.gif
Gold at the New York Fed. (Federal Reserve Bank of New York)

The Bundesbank understandably offered few details as to the timing of or methods to be used in the move, which presumably will occur with secret, well-guarded trucks (from Paris) and in numerous small batches by plane from New York. Presumably, it will make sure the villain from "Die Hard: With a Vengeance" is accounted for before the move, along with the "Ocean's 11" gang. And whatever happened to Auric Goldfinger?

But while the notion of billions of dollars in gold bars being transported across the Atlantic and the Franco-German countryside triggered a thousand heist jokes on Twitter, the decision reflects a real, and somewhat disturbing, current in German politics.

The backstory: Germany built up its gold reserves as the flip side of running trade surpluses in the decades after World War II. In practice, much of the world’s gold is stored in vaults underneath central banks: eighty feet below street level and hard against the bedrock of lower Manhattan at the New York Fed, in the ancient vaults of the Bank of England on Threadneedle Street in the City of London, and so on. This is highly convenient; when one government or central bank sells its gold to another, the precious metal can be rolled from one cage to the next, with none of the risk that comes with transporting it across oceans. (For more about the New York Fed's gold storage operation, click here).

The system, of course, is built upon trust -- that the New York Fed won’t suddenly be taken over by people with no respect for those nations’ property rights and seize it for their own use, and that the central banks won’t lie about how much gold is in their vaults. Among the world’s central bankers, that trust runs deep, and most governments are content to keep their gold wherever it is most convenient. The exceptions are governments that have reason to fear that their gold stocks could be frozen as part of a conflict, such as in Iran and Libya.

So what the heck is Germany doing? It is a nation with a deep-seated fears about the stability of its currency, no doubt in part the legacy of the Weimar hyperinflation of the early 1920s. The fixation on its gold comes at a time when the world of finance seems in chaos. Germans are being asked to help rescue Greece and other European nations with troubled finances. The European Central Bank has bought bonds from some of those nations, which Germans widely view as tempting enormous inflation. Against that backdrop, it is perhaps not shocking that there is political resonance to the theory that the New York Fed and Banque de France may be putting one over on the Bundesbank and that some of Germany's gold might actually be missing.

(This is, it should be noted, not solely a German fixation. There are plenty of Americans who are convinced that the U.S. gold reserves in Fort Knox are missing.)
So, essentially, the Bundesbank is offering a sop to the conspiracy theorists by relocating the gold to German soil. The nation just has to hope that nothing goes wrong during the journey.

“In Germany, a lot of emotion is attached to the topic of gold reserves,” Bundesbank board member Carl-Ludwig Thiele said in a press conference announcing the move. The same could be said of Americans.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/01/16/why-germany-wants-its-674-tons-of-gold-back/

Seven years we told them. Seven years to get back your gold.

ELVIS
10-28-2013, 10:11 AM
The gold is not there...

DrMaddVibe
10-28-2013, 10:17 AM
The gold is not there...


Well, until we audit the Federal Reserve (THE real criminal enterprise!) we just won't know. There are already shady signs on their part...

The Fort Knox Conundrum: Chinese say they received bogus bars of gold traced to U.S.

Could over 1 million bars of gold, much of which is still held in Fort Knox, Ky., be counterfeit? An October 2009 discovery that suggests this may be true has been suppressed by the mainstream media but has been circulating among the “big money” brokers and financial kingpins. It is just now being revealed to the public.

Gold is regularly exchanged between countries to pay debts and to settle the so-called balance of trade. It is often also used as a hedge against a falling currency. Gold is regularly traded and stored in vaults under the strict supervision of a special organization based in London, known as the London Bullion Market Association (LBMA). That’s why news of counterfeit gold bars was a surprise to many experts.

In October 2009, China reportedly received a large shipment of gold, containing some 6,000 bars, weighing 400 ounces each. When it was received, the Chinese government asked that tests be performed to guarantee the purity and weight of the gold bars. In this test, four small holes were drilled into the bars, and the metal was analyzed. Officials were shocked to find the bars were bogus. They contained cores of tungsten, with only an outer coating of real gold. What’s more, these gold bars, containing serial numbers for tracking, originated in the United States and had reportedly been stored in Fort Knox for years.

According to gold expert Theo Gray, there are very few metals that are as dense as gold. With only two exceptions, they all cost as much or more than gold. The standard gold bar for bank-to-bank trade, known as a “London good delivery bar,” weighs 400 troy ounces (more than 33 pounds), yet is no bigger than a paperback novel. To put it in perspective, a bar of steel the same size weighs only 13.5 pounds.

This was the problem that the Ethiopians had in early 2008 when they tried to dump millions of dollars in fake gold into South African banks. What were supposed to be bars of solid gold turned out to be nothing more than gold-plated steel. The South Africans quickly figured this out and sent the shipment back—apparently discovering the hoax with only minimal investigation.

The first exception to the weight of gold is depleted uranium (DU). This material is dirt cheap if you’re a government, but is hard for individuals to get. It’s also radioactive, which makes the handling of it impractical.

Interestingly enough, before DU was widely used as a U.S. weapons component to make shells more able to penetrate hardened targets, tungsten was used for that purpose.

But tungsten is vastly cheaper than gold—maybe $30 dollars a pound, compared to $1,200 an ounce for gold right now. It has exactly the same density as gold, to three decimal places. Therefore, it has to be drilled to detect the fraud. The only differences are that it’s the wrong color, and that it’s much harder than gold. Pure gold is soft and can be dented with a fingernail.

At first, many gold experts speculated that the fake gold must have originated in China, which is considered the world’s best knock-off producers. However, the Chinese government investigated and issued a statement pointing a finger squarely at the United States.

The Chinese claim that in 1995—during the Clinton administration (Robert Rubin, Alan Greenspan and Lawrence Summers)—between 1.3 million and 1.5 million 400-ounce tungsten blanks were manufactured by a sophisticated refiner in the United States, amounting to more than 16,000 metric tons. Some 640,000 of these tungsten blanks were then gold plated and shipped to Fort Knox, according to the Chinese, where they are said to remain to this day. The Chinese contend that the remaining collection of these 400-ounce fakes was eventually gold-plated and then “sold” into international markets.

The global market is literally “stuffed full of 400 ounce salted bars,” said one unnamed expert. “It’s enough to destroy the world markets.”

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/fort_knox_conundrum__208.html

Nickdfresh
10-28-2013, 10:22 AM
WAS???

Still is!!!

It should be NO surprise that I'm no supporter of President Obama. What he has done is downright shameful. From spying on citizens in the USA to heads of states in other nations, the constant drone strikes on civilians, the covert wars on almost every continent I have to ask the question...

Except none of the above began under Obama and he's generally continuing policies set in place. The NSA has been up to no good shenanigans since at least the Clinton, but more likely Reagan Admin's. Bush started the use of drones and I don't recall you having much remorse for Iraqi civilians killed by American strikes not so long ago...

I guess some here want to forget about the possibility of an all out war with Iran under the McCain-Palin Admin?

DrMaddVibe
10-28-2013, 10:38 AM
Please...this current administration cannot hide behind it's predecessors anymore. Hasn't that ship sailed? You mean to tell me you're happy with the Hope and Change you're getting now on these issues? Seems all he's doing is passing the buck and pressing on full steam ahead!

What do you say to just canceling the wars today...bring EVERYONE home...cut the defense budget in HALF...end the Patriot Act and shut down the dept. of Homeland Security?

Seriously...that's the CHANGE I'd want.

Nickdfresh
10-28-2013, 10:50 AM
Please...this current administration cannot hide behind it's predecessors anymore. Hasn't that ship sailed? You mean to tell me you're happy with the Hope and Change you're getting now on these issues? Seems all he's doing is passing the buck and pressing on full steam ahead!

You're missing my point. You guys can't support one set of policies then just use them to completely demonize and condemn Obama! I've always been against overzealous gov't intrusion, and I actually never criticized the use of drones under Bush...


What do you say to just canceling the wars today...bring EVERYONE home...cut the defense budget in HALF...end the Patriot Act and shut down the dept. of Homeland Security?

Seriously...that's the CHANGE I'd want.

I couldn't agree more. The problem is that there is no practical opposition to huge defense budgets and continued "Securocracy" (from Tim Pat Coogan in his writings on Northern Ireland and how be believed that conflict was extended not just by the IRA and Loyalists, but by factions in the British intelligence and military quarters as a means to keep their jobs).

I don't have a problem with Homeland Security, I have a problem with the warped overweening bureaucracy it has become. It was originally envisioned to eliminate bureaucracy. I also think parts of FBI & CIA counterintelligence/counterterrorism should be split off and combined into one agency that only focuses on lawfully investigating national security and espionage threats...

Jesus Christ
10-28-2013, 10:57 AM
The gold is not there...

How do ye know where the gold is, Gregory?

Is it in a bank in the middle of Beverly Hills in somebody else's name?*









*Lyric from some bad country song from the 80's. And no, we don't have the record in Heaven!

Jesus Christ
10-28-2013, 10:58 AM
What do you say to just canceling the wars today...bring EVERYONE home...cut the defense budget in HALF...end the Patriot Act and shut down the dept. of Homeland Security?

Seriously...that's the CHANGE I'd want.

The Messiah would endorse this idea.

DrMaddVibe
10-28-2013, 11:21 AM
You're missing my point. You guys can't support one set of policies then just use them to completely demonize and condemn Obama! I've always been against overzealous gov't intrusion, and I actually never criticized the use of drones under Bush...



I couldn't agree more. The problem is that there is no practical opposition to huge defense budgets and continued "Securocracy" (from Tim Pat Coogan in his writings on Northern Ireland and how be believed that conflict was extended not just by the IRA and Loyalists, but by factions in the British intelligence and military quarters as a means to keep their jobs).

I don't have a problem with Homeland Security, I have a problem with the warped overweening bureaucracy it has become. It was originally envisioned to eliminate bureaucracy. I also think parts of FBI & CIA counterintelligence/counterterrorism should be split off and combined into one agency that only focuses on lawfully investigating national security and espionage threats...


I don't think I am missing your point. Change doesn't mean pushing the gas pedal to the metal in the same direction. It means REVERSING course. If you want I could post YouTubes of him saying the exact same thing I posted up. He was SUPPOSED to do...he was against it all and now we're in WORSE shape than the Bush administration ever thought of putting us in. See the forest for the trees. This present administration is accountable. The kindergarden "He pulled my hair" game is over. It was somewhat excusable the 1st year...I'd chalk it up to "growing pains"...but he's STILL doing it. Enough already. For the idiot the Left wanted to paint Bush as he sure did wreck havoc that this braintrust can't untangle is that what you mean? I expected better. I didn't get it and I walked into this administration not liking them to begin with. I already saw what he was doing back in grade school when the kid running for class president was promising pizza everyday for lunch, longer recesses and balloons in the hallway on Wednesdays. He got elected in a landslide and then stood before anyone that would listen and moan about how "they" said no to the pizza...and "they" said school was for learning and not playtime...and that "they" said balloons cost money.

As for the IRA and MI5...totally agree...throw in the PLO and Mossad if you want too. The fact is we have a "listening station" in almost EVERY nation. Enough is enough and we cannot afford it anymore. Being the World beat cop is a game that cannot be won. The one thing I used to applaud this nation for was NOT colonizing others but offering a real alternative with what worked for us. We're not doing that anymore though. We're nation building through Peace and Democracy as a smokescreen. Nations need to build that on their own if it's going to work successfully. You can't ram it down their throats at the taxpayer's expense and claim victory. President Obama told us he was going to unite this nation and take us on a journey to become a better world citizen. He's failed. By his own hand failed, not W's, not Clinton's...by HIS hand. At some time he will have to own what he's done. History will not be kind to him.

Seshmeister
10-28-2013, 12:01 PM
I would have thought that as a world leader you assume that you are being bugged by other countries friend and foe and it's up to your security guys to try and stop it.

DrMaddVibe
10-28-2013, 12:09 PM
I would have thought that as a world leader you assume that you are being bugged by other countries friend and foe and it's up to your security guys to try and stop it.

With the implied goal of what????

Foe's I can understand...Friend's and your own citizenry? I cannot wrap a good idea around either's cause for it.

FORD
10-28-2013, 01:14 PM
With the implied goal of what????

Foe's I can understand...Friend's and your own citizenry? I cannot wrap a good idea around either's cause for it.

Considering this is being talked about in Germany and Spain, but not in other countries like the UK, Australia, or Israel, I can't help but think it has something to do with the PNAC bullshit, and the countries which are considered "allies", yet opposed the Chimp/PNAC invasion of Iraq are among the targets.

I realize it's a stretch to assume that's the motivation without further info, but it's since been revealed that it was Chimpy who began the spying on Merkel, and not Obama. Which makes my theory even more likely. And as far as US citizens.... same answer probably applies....... this reichland security bullshit has been used more against those opposing the global PNAC empire than it ever was against the actual "terraists".

Bottom line is the CIA, NSA, and DEA have never done ONE goddamn thing for the benefit of the American People, and have in reality created more enemies than they ever defeated. It's time to do away with this unconsitutional fascist secret police bullshit.

Kristy
10-28-2013, 02:00 PM
The gold is not there...

Does Alex know where it is?

Kristy
10-28-2013, 02:15 PM
Look! It's the hipster version of Alex Jones. Fuck me.

FORD
10-28-2013, 02:23 PM
Nah, Lee might be loud and angry like Alex, but he's speaking facts not conspiracies.

Kristy
10-28-2013, 02:26 PM
Facts or not he's just as deranged in delivery. It's why I can never take him seriously.

ELVIS
10-28-2013, 02:47 PM
And no one takes you seriously either, so what's your point ??

Kristy
10-28-2013, 02:53 PM
And no one takes you seriously either, so what's your point ??

My point? A sharp razor dildo that goes right up your F A T racist asshole.

Guitar Shark
10-28-2013, 03:04 PM
Why should I move out ??

I'm planning to participate in the rebuilding of this once great nation once you retards are done selling it to the highest globalist banker bidders...

I can't wait to see what a society built by ELVIS would look like.

Kristy
10-28-2013, 03:09 PM
I can't wait to see what a society built by ELVIS would look like.

Picture a trailer park full of racist with Alex Jone$ as their Gawd and religion.

FORD
10-28-2013, 04:14 PM
I can't wait to see what a society built by ELVIS would look like.

Have you seen the movie "Idiocracy"??

Kinda like that, only more religious.

ELVIS
10-28-2013, 04:17 PM
My point? A sharp razor dildo that goes right up your F A T racist asshole.

What's wrong ??

Ran out of Obamedication because you sold it all to buy weed and ran out of that too ??

fraroc
10-28-2013, 04:24 PM
The Conspiracy Nut and the Kunt's going at it again.

Kristy
10-28-2013, 04:25 PM
Yeah, asshole. That's it. I sold my medication that doesn't even exist.

Nickdfresh
10-28-2013, 04:39 PM
I can't wait to see what a society built by ELVIS would look like.

I can. :nuts::019:

Kristy
10-28-2013, 04:50 PM
More proof Libertardians are mentally ill racist assholes

FORD
10-28-2013, 05:03 PM
Well... at least that paid shill lists the sources of her talking points....

Freedom Works (KKKoch Brothers)
Some Senate Repuke committee (I wasn't about to download a PDF to find out exactly which one)
The Moonie Times.

So in other words, three sources of spin and complete bullshit..... but at least she properly credited them.

I didn't even need to watch the video to know she was a Repuke. The fake pearls were a dead giveaway.

Kristy
10-28-2013, 06:08 PM
The only problem being she's no Rethuglican. She's much, much worse: a Libertardian. Or at least she proclaims herself as being one. Her whole YouGoob Channel is dedicated to the anti-Obama cliche complied every now and then with a pro-gun agenda and a disgust for the poor. I too don't doubt that she is nothing more than a Koch puppet who is paid well to condescend to her audience with disinformation.

FORD
10-28-2013, 06:15 PM
That's where I defer to Thom Hartmann's definition of Libertarian : Republicans who like to smoke dope and get laid

Except in that twit's case I suspect it's meth in her pipe, rather than weed.

DrMaddVibe
10-28-2013, 06:17 PM
Quick...imagine the kids those last 2 You Tube posters would make.

FORD
10-28-2013, 06:23 PM
Quick...imagine the kids those last 2 You Tube posters would make.

They would probably have to be test tube babies, since I doubt the two of them could be in the same room long enough to fuck.

Kristy
10-28-2013, 06:24 PM
That's where I defer to Thom Hartmann's definition of Libertarian : Republicans who like to smoke dope and get laid

Well, that's where he is wrong. Libertardians are disillusioned Rethuglicans with a hard on for shitting the poor. They could care less about legal weed or sex as much as they do conning their fellow man for personal gain. This "twit" isn't bright enough for meth as she is dosing herself with heavy amounts of carbon monoxide. Her lack of brain cells attest to that fact.

DrMaddVibe
10-28-2013, 06:28 PM
Well, that's where he is wrong. Libertardians are disillusioned Rethuglicans with a hard on for shitting the poor. They could care less about legal weed or sex as much as they do conning their fellow man for personal gain. This "twit" isn't bright enough for meth as she is dosing herself with heavy amounts of carbon monoxide. Her lack of brain cells attest to that fact.


This post was brought to you by weed. Weed, when life can't get any better by self-improvment. Weed, it'll be there when your friends get off work so you can have something to contribute. So remember, look for the union label. Weed.

Von Halen
10-28-2013, 06:29 PM
Well, that's where he is wrong. Libertardians are disillusioned Rethuglicans with a hard on for shitting the poor. They could care less about legal weed or sex as much as they do conning their fellow man for personal gain. This "twit" isn't bright enough for meth as she is dosing herself with heavy amounts of carbon monoxide. Her lack of brain cells attest to that fact.

Are you a Rothpublican ©®?

Kristy
10-28-2013, 06:32 PM
Are you a Rothpublican ©®?

No. Roth masturbates himself with tossed monkey feces and calls it singing.

Kristy
10-28-2013, 06:33 PM
This post was brought to you by weed. Weed, when life can't get any better by self-improvment. Weed, it'll be there when your friends get off work so you can have something to contribute. So remember, look for the union label. Weed.

Fuck off.

DrMaddVibe
10-28-2013, 06:35 PM
Fuck off.


I LOVE that story!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFkAAvDkj9k


Yes...your hate has made you powerful...LOLZ!!!

Kristy
10-28-2013, 06:37 PM
What part of "fuck off" do you fail to understand?

FORD
10-28-2013, 06:39 PM
This post was brought to you by weed. Weed, when life can't get any better by self-improvment. Weed, it'll be there when your friends get off work so you can have something to contribute. So remember, look for the union label. Weed.

Union weed.... it's not just an old SNL joke anymore.........


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ4Tdr3jKHk

DrMaddVibe
10-28-2013, 06:45 PM
What part of "fuck off" do you fail to understand?

Coming from you? The fuck part. It kinda confuses me how a pothead would even want to fuck. All the skanky girls that smoked pot all day looked like Courtney Love and talked like Large Marge from Pee Wee's Big Adventure...so, it was pretty much one big boner kill going to a party looking to fuck when the girls were all potheads like you. You live for the buzz. I can tell when you don't have any smoky smoke...you get all agitated and antsy...trying to make big words fit in your little sentences. So, I suppose it's just the fuck part that throws me for a loop in regards to you. The off part? I get that. As in you shut off your brain. We good wif dat sista...off is off, but fuck..um, no...not from you. I'd rather beat off than fuck you.

Kristy
10-28-2013, 06:56 PM
We good wif dat sista...off is off, but fuck..um, no...not from you. I'd rather beat off than fuck you.

As you do that now rather than find a job.

DrMaddVibe
10-28-2013, 06:59 PM
As you do that now rather than find a job.

I don't want a blow job from you either. Thanks for the offer, I'm really honored and all...maybe if you showered with hot water and used some soap...brushed your teeth...used deodorant...wore clean clothes it would be different.

Kristy
10-28-2013, 07:01 PM
I don't want a blow job from you either. Thanks for the offer, I'm really honored and all...maybe if you showered with hot water and used some soap...brushed your teeth...used deodorant...wore clean clothes it would be different.

As in employment. Something you also refuse to do.

DrMaddVibe
10-28-2013, 07:03 PM
As in employment. Something you also refuse to do.

Oh, silly dopehead...I already have a job and a couple of ones that I do for the sake of more money when I want too.

You're stabbing at thin air. Put the bong down sweetie.