Feel the Pain - Bitches - You voted for it!

[baru911]

Oh yeah, feel the pain of a socialistic agenda. Gotta take from you uppity middle class folk to give to the poor. Suck it. Reap the whirlwind of what you voted for Californians! Wait, aren't these the people that the racist Ford and the homophobic Nick the Dick are always saying Bush/Chimpie screwed over? Think they will chime in and express their disgust at how Pres. Ego treats those same families?

Gotta love the quote:
"She said, 'I was all for Obamacare until I found out I was paying for it,'" Kehaly said.:doh::doh::doh:
Who did you think was gonna pay for it? Santa Claus? Fuckin' A, buddy!

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http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-health-sticker-shock-20131027,0,2756077.story#axzz2ixiGSAWH

Some health insurance gets pricier as Obamacare rolls out
Many middle-class Californians with individual health plans are surprised they need policies that cover more — and cost more.

Thousands of Californians are discovering what Obamacare will cost them — and many don't like what they see.

These middle-class consumers are staring at hefty increases on their insurance bills as the overhaul remakes the healthcare market. Their rates are rising in large part to help offset the higher costs of covering sicker, poorer people who have been shut out of the system for years.

Although recent criticism of the healthcare law has focused on website glitches and early enrollment snags, experts say sharp price increases for individual policies have the greatest potential to erode public support for President Obama's signature legislation.

"This is when the actual sticker shock comes into play for people," said Gerald Kominski, director of the UCLA Center for Health Policy Research. "There are winners and losers under the Affordable Care Act."

Fullerton resident Jennifer Harris thought she had a great deal, paying $98 a month for an individual plan through Health Net Inc. She got a rude surprise this month when the company said it would cancel her policy at the end of this year. Her current plan does not conform with the new federal rules, which require more generous levels of coverage.

Now Harris, a self-employed lawyer, must shop for replacement insurance. The cheapest plan she has found will cost her $238 a month. She and her husband don't qualify for federal premium subsidies because they earn too much money, about $80,000 a year combined.

"It doesn't seem right to make the middle class pay so much more in order to give health insurance to everybody else," said Harris, who is three months pregnant. "This increase is simply not affordable."

On balance, many Americans will benefit from the healthcare expansion. They are guaranteed coverage regardless of their medical history. And lower-income families will gain access to comprehensive coverage at little or no cost.

The federal government picks up much of the tab through an expansion of Medicaid and subsidies to people earning up to four times the federal poverty level. That's up to $46,000 for an individual or $94,000 for a family of four.

But middle-income consumers face an estimated 30% rate increase, on average, in California due to several factors tied to the healthcare law.

Some may elect to go without coverage if they feel prices are too high. Penalties for opting out are very small initially. Defections could cause rates to skyrocket if a diverse mix of people don't sign up for health insurance.

Pam Kehaly, president of Anthem Blue Cross in California, said she received a recent letter from a young woman complaining about a 50% rate hike related to the healthcare law.

"She said, 'I was all for Obamacare until I found out I was paying for it,'" Kehaly said.

Nearly 2 million Californians have individual insurance, and several hundred thousand of them are losing their health plans in a matter of weeks.

Blue Shield of California sent termination letters to 119,000 customers last month whose plans don't meet the new federal requirements. About two-thirds of those people will experience a rate increase from switching to a new health plan, according to the company.

HMO giant Kaiser Permanente is canceling coverage for about half of its individual customers, or 160,000 people, and offering to automatically enroll them in the most comparable health plan available.

The 16 million Californians who get health insurance through their employers aren't affected. Neither are individuals who have "grandfathered" policies bought before March 2010, when the healthcare law was enacted. It's estimated that about half of policyholders in the individual market have those older plans.

All these cancellations were prompted by a requirement from Covered California, the state's new insurance exchange. The state didn't want to give insurance companies the opportunity to hold on to the healthiest patients for up to a year, keeping them out of the larger risk pool that will influence future rates.

[Angel]

Racist Ford? :lmao:

[Nickdfresh]

Oh yeah, feel the pain of a socialistic agenda. Gotta take from you uppity middle class folk to give to the poor. Suck it. ....

You mean like your worthless shithole state of fucking redneck retards that takes more from the federal gov't than you inbreds can generate in tax revenues? Dummy!

[Nickdfresh]

Racist Ford? :lmao:

Well you're in trouble with me, because I'm a "misogynist homophobe" apparently! :D

[cadaverdog]

It's times like this that I'm glad I'm poor. If I wasn't going to a county health clinic on a regular basis I'd be almost invisible as far as the government is concerned. I guess I'll see if it stays in business after the first of the year when it switches from a county clinic to a medi cal clinic. That's the rumor anyway.

[Nitro Express]

Let's find some good seats Dog and watch the freak show. Stupid human tricks. Washington DC never fails to come up with more and more of those.

[Satan]

I'm still waiting for somebody to tell a Devil how mandatory payments to a private corporation can be considered "socialism".

[ELVIS]

What private corporation, the ones that own the federal government ??

[ELVIS]

Listen to this decrepit witch...

[ELVIS]

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[ELVIS]

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[ELVIS]

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[jacksmar]

This is so simple. You have a fucked up law set up by a bunch of fuckups, administered by a bunch of fuckups, and championed by an unlettered fuckup.

Again for the simps:

670 million dollar web site – 330,000,000 people equals a two million dollar check for each person.

You could get rid of every social program, 100 government bureaucracies, and have Health Care for all.

In typical leftist fashion, the fuckups have decided what you deserve. Look at them with the fuckups, y'all.

[jhale667]

Racist Ford? :lmao:

:biggrin: He's hoping if he repeats the same lie over and over people will believe it eventually... typical teabilly.

[FORD]

:biggrin: He's hoping if he repeats the same lie over and over people will believe it eventually... typical teabilly.

Well, his idols Adolf Hitler, Joseph Goebbels and Rupert Murdoch believed exactly that, so that's not surprising. :biggrin:

[FORD]

You could get rid of every social program, 100 government bureaucracies, and have Health Care for all.



No, then you would have health care for NONE.

That is if you are suggesting (as your KKKochsucking teabag political heroes are) that Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA all should be abolished and EVERYONE be forced to buy private corporate insurance, and by abolishing the mild "reforms" of Obamacare, there would be absolutely no restrictions on the criminal insurance industry on who they refuse to cover, or what they refuse to pay for.

This is what you want?

Believe me, if you got hit with a hospital bill that averaged $100,000 a week, you would never advocate such goddamned Randtarded stupidity. Actually, even Rand herself knew better..... at least once a lifetime of chain smoking gave her lung cancer.

[ELVIS]

How can you be so foolish, FORD ??

[FORD]

How can you be so foolish, FORD ??

I'm "foolish" because I want to get rid of the criminal insurance racket and use a system that is PROVEN to work in every other fucking civilized country on Earth?

How so?

[jacksmar]

No, then you would have health care for NONE.

That is if you are suggesting (as your KKKochsucking teabag political heroes are) that Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA all should be abolished and EVERYONE be forced to buy private corporate insurance, and by abolishing the mild "reforms" of Obamacare, there would be absolutely no restrictions on the criminal insurance industry on who they refuse to cover, or what they refuse to pay for.

This is what you want?

Believe me, if you got hit with a hospital bill that averaged $100,000 a week, you would never advocate such goddamned Randtarded stupidity. Actually, even Rand herself knew better..... at least once a lifetime of chain smoking gave her lung cancer.

Look at what you just did.

We both just found a starting point, both found some things we can agree on, and more importantly, and I mean more importantly, found a way to start real conversation on an issue worthy of intelligent debate.

Objectivity is the catalyst. Name calling aside, I really commend you for your post.

[Kristy]

I find these online diatribes to be much more cerebral when Nick isn't around to Wiki shit all over them

[Nickdfresh]

I find these online diatribes to be much more cerebral when Nick isn't around to Wiki shit all over them

Cerebral palsy? I know! Me too! I'm exhausted from masturbating to wiki all day and trying to figure out how forcing capitalist insurance companies to compete with a better product is "socialism."

[Kristy]

Wow. It's like repeating someone's name in a mirror and they show up!

[Nickdfresh]

Wow. It's like repeating someone's name in a mirror and they show up!

Yeah, if they showed up an hour later. :D Trying smoking lots of pot and yelling out bloody mary....

[Nickdfresh]

Fuck it! It's almost Halloween! http://stuffpoint.com/trollface/image/160777-trollface-bloody-mary.jpg

[FORD]

Look at what you just did.

We both just found a starting point, both found some things we can agree on, and more importantly, and I mean more importantly, found a way to start real conversation on an issue worthy of intelligent debate.

Objectivity is the catalyst. Name calling aside, I really commend you for your post.

OK.... well I've stated my case over and over again on this subject since the 2008 primaries, so you can look up everything I've said, if you want. Or just listen to what Van Jones has to say here, because he sums it up pretty well in about 3 and a half minutes.....

"Insurance is what you buy when you don't know if something bad is going to happen. Maybe I'll crash my car. Maybe I won't. I don't know. So I'm going to get car insurance just in case. Everybody's going to get sick and die, so you know every single person's going to need health insurance. That's not something you can provide insurance for, that's called a service."



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dLHb4Pb0Xwg

[DrMaddVibe]

I'm still waiting for somebody to tell a Devil how mandatory payments to a private corporation can be considered "socialism".

Let's just call it a tax then!

[ace diamond]

Oh yeah, feel the pain of a socialistic agenda. Gotta take from you uppity middle class folk to give to the poor. Suck it. Reap the whirlwind of what you voted for Californians! Wait, aren't these the people that the racist Ford and the homophobic Nick the Dick are always saying Bush/Chimpie screwed over? Think they will chime in and express their disgust at how Pres. Ego treats those same families?

Gotta love the quote:
"She said, 'I was all for Obamacare until I found out I was paying for it,'" Kehaly said.:doh::doh::doh:
Who did you think was gonna pay for it? Santa Claus? Fuckin' A, buddy!

__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _________________

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-health-sticker-shock-20131027,0,2756077.story#axzz2ixiGSAWH

Some health insurance gets pricier as Obamacare rolls out
Many middle-class Californians with individual health plans are surprised they need policies that cover more — and cost more.

Thousands of Californians are discovering what Obamacare will cost them — and many don't like what they see.

These middle-class consumers are staring at hefty increases on their insurance bills as the overhaul remakes the healthcare market. Their rates are rising in large part to help offset the higher costs of covering sicker, poorer people who have been shut out of the system for years.

Although recent criticism of the healthcare law has focused on website glitches and early enrollment snags, experts say sharp price increases for individual policies have the greatest potential to erode public support for President Obama's signature legislation.

"This is when the actual sticker shock comes into play for people," said Gerald Kominski, director of the UCLA Center for Health Policy Research. "There are winners and losers under the Affordable Care Act."

Fullerton resident Jennifer Harris thought she had a great deal, paying $98 a month for an individual plan through Health Net Inc. She got a rude surprise this month when the company said it would cancel her policy at the end of this year. Her current plan does not conform with the new federal rules, which require more generous levels of coverage.

Now Harris, a self-employed lawyer, must shop for replacement insurance. The cheapest plan she has found will cost her $238 a month. She and her husband don't qualify for federal premium subsidies because they earn too much money, about $80,000 a year combined.

"It doesn't seem right to make the middle class pay so much more in order to give health insurance to everybody else," said Harris, who is three months pregnant. "This increase is simply not affordable."

On balance, many Americans will benefit from the healthcare expansion. They are guaranteed coverage regardless of their medical history. And lower-income families will gain access to comprehensive coverage at little or no cost.

The federal government picks up much of the tab through an expansion of Medicaid and subsidies to people earning up to four times the federal poverty level. That's up to $46,000 for an individual or $94,000 for a family of four.

But middle-income consumers face an estimated 30% rate increase, on average, in California due to several factors tied to the healthcare law.

Some may elect to go without coverage if they feel prices are too high. Penalties for opting out are very small initially. Defections could cause rates to skyrocket if a diverse mix of people don't sign up for health insurance.

Pam Kehaly, president of Anthem Blue Cross in California, said she received a recent letter from a young woman complaining about a 50% rate hike related to the healthcare law.

"She said, 'I was all for Obamacare until I found out I was paying for it,'" Kehaly said.

Nearly 2 million Californians have individual insurance, and several hundred thousand of them are losing their health plans in a matter of weeks.

Blue Shield of California sent termination letters to 119,000 customers last month whose plans don't meet the new federal requirements. About two-thirds of those people will experience a rate increase from switching to a new health plan, according to the company.

HMO giant Kaiser Permanente is canceling coverage for about half of its individual customers, or 160,000 people, and offering to automatically enroll them in the most comparable health plan available.

The 16 million Californians who get health insurance through their employers aren't affected. Neither are individuals who have "grandfathered" policies bought before March 2010, when the healthcare law was enacted. It's estimated that about half of policyholders in the individual market have those older plans.

All these cancellations were prompted by a requirement from Covered California, the state's new insurance exchange. The state didn't want to give insurance companies the opportunity to hold on to the healthiest patients for up to a year, keeping them out of the larger risk pool that will influence future rates.

I'm a native Californian. I vote Republican, thank you very much. I did not vote for Obama.

[FORD]

Let's just call it a tax then!

And paying taxes to private corporations is alright with you?

It's not alright with me. Especially considering the corporations themselves pay very little, or no taxes when they can get away with it.

On the other hand, if it were a single payer system, then you could make it a tax, just like Medicare and Social Security currently are. Our friends from up north and across the pond can elaborate on the details of how the taxes work in their countries, but it seems like a more logical way to do it. Taxes paying for services, as opposed to paying corporate CEOs who do nothing whatsoever to prevent you from getting sick, or provide treatment you when you do.

[Nitro Express]

I was against The Affordable Care and Patient Protection Act from the get go because I knew the government had been bought by corporate interests and banks. No way in hell were we going to get socialized medicine out of our government. It will end up being a few if not just one government connected corporation running it's competition out of the business and no the end result will not be socialized medicine, it will be single payer. Paying to a single monopoly that jacks your prices. If it's so great how come the congress aren't on the plan? Because it sucks. Also it's used like a punishment. If Obama likes you, he gives you an exemption from it. He even knows it sucks.

We just need to scrap the whole damn thing. It was shoved into law over a holiday without anyone knowing what they were signing onto and they have made additional changes to it since. I'm sorry but without an open process of seeing what we are actually getting it's going to be some hidden shit that only is good for the people who wrote the bill and bad for the public in general.

[Nitro Express]

The federal government has become such a corporate sponsored clusterfuck I think maybe the state legislatures should just fire it. Take the power back to the individual states. Have state banks. Have state militias. Let the federal government and The Federal Reserve Bank that bought it up collapse under their own corruption and weight. Then we can eventually put a new federal government back together that is smaller without all the endless agencies and corruption. I think to fix things we need to manage more at the local level. It also makes it harder for anyone to come in and take it over because power is diversified.

[binnie]

It's like Groundhog Day...................

[FORD]

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[ELVIS]

That graph isn't real...LMAO!!

Affordable policy ??

Hahahaha...:biggrin: