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baru911
11-24-2013, 12:43 PM
The Dems seem to be moving away from it, Pres. Ego's numbers are way down because of it, the Repubs have never liked it and now the Socialist even hate it...Wow, Pres. Ego finally found something to unite everyone under.
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From the World Socialist Website

Hey, FORD, SATAN, or Whatever other person you are playing today – how come you didn’t post this? Seems like this would be right up your alley.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/11/20/pers-n20.html

Obamacare exposed: The gutting of health care for workers

The Affordable Care Act (ACA), Barack Obama’s signature domestic policy, is being exposed on a daily basis as a counter-reform aimed at a restructuring of the US health care system in the interests of big business. The president’s repeated claim that the law will provide access to affordable, quality health care for the American people is a calculated lie.
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A true reform of the health care system in the US would provide universal access to high-quality medical care. It would train thousands of new doctors, nurses and other health care professionals. It would dedicate billions of dollars to research into the prevention and eradication of disease. It would improve the quality of life and extend life expectancy in line with the advances in medical technology.

The health care overhaul commonly known as Obamacare will do none of these things. It will do the exact opposite by deepening the class divide when it comes to the provision of health care in America. The ACA will cut costs dramatically for employers and the government while reducing and rationing medical services for millions of ordinary people—while boosting the profits of the health care industry.

In remarks before the Wall Street Journal CEO Council on Tuesday, Obama emphasized that his health care overhaul was based on the “existing private insurance system.” In fact, it extends the sway of the capitalist market over the provision of health care. Its key provision requires those without insurance to purchase coverage from private insurers or pay a fine, to be enforced by the Internal Revenue Service. There are no real controls over the prices insurance companies charge, the out-of-pocket costs they impose, or the profits they extract from the exploitation of the health care needs of the people.

While attention has been focused on the technical problems plaguing the federal HealthCare.gov site and the state exchanges set up under the ACA, the real debacle is the abysmal product that is being offered for purchase. The health care law stipulates that certain coverage is mandatory and that people cannot be denied coverage for pre-existing conditions, but there is nothing in the law to prevent the insurance companies from pricing policies on their terms and inflating premiums, deductibles and co-pays to more than compensate for these mandated services.

Working people shopping for coverage are facing the cruel reality that the “affordable” policies being sold through the Obamacare exchanges constitute “insurance” in name only. The cheaper “bronze” policies include massive deductibles, in many states topping $5,000 for an individual and $10,000 for a family, which must be paid in full before insurance coverage even begins. Co-pays and coinsurance for doctor visits, hospitalizations and other services have been hiked significantly when compared to the current individual insurance market.

The consequences for those forced out of economic necessity to purchase these substandard policies will be devastating. Workers will either have to shell out thousands of dollars if a family member faces a significant health care event, or they will simply forgo treatment.

Those covered by these policies will be less healthy and face new health risks as a result of their Obamacare insurance. A child’s infection will go untreated because it is too costly; a hospitalization will be cut short because a family cannot afford the coinsurance. People will suffer and die.

Others will choose not to purchase coverage and pay the fine because either (1) they simply cannot afford the premiums, or (2) the coverage is so inferior—and the out-of-pocket expenses so high—that it is better to remain uninsured and pay the penalty. Insurers can be expected to jack up their premiums even higher if a dwindling pool of cash-paying customers results in what they consider an unacceptable drain on their profits.

By the government’s own admission, the health plan that Obama pledged would provide “near universal health care” will leave 31 million people uninsured. These will include, among others, millions of the very poor whose resident states have chosen not to expand the Medicaid program, undocumented immigrants who are barred from receiving government subsidies, and those who cannot afford to buy coverage, with or without the small stipends.

It is also becoming clear that Obama’s lie—“If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan”—extends far beyond those who stand to lose their coverage in the individual insurance market. The majority of the US population, some 170 million people, are presently insured through their employers, and this vast market has been targeted by the insurance industry and businesses for a drastic overhaul along the lines of the Affordable Care Act.

Many employers have already begun transitioning their workers to high-deductible plans with steep out-of-pocket costs in anticipation of an ACA rule, postponed by Obama until 2015, which will require businesses with 50 employees or more to provide health insurance to their full-time workers. Big business has no intention of shouldering the costs for complying with this regulation, which instead will be passed down to workers. Some companies may simply choose not to comply and pay the nominal $2,000 per employee penalty.

Other employers, both in the private sector and in state and local government, have already begun shifting retirees and in some cases active workers to private insurance exchanges modeled on the ACA exchanges. Some have dumped their workers directly onto Obamacare, offering them small stipends. Workers who for decades have traditionally received employer-sponsored coverage are now being thrown onto these exchanges to fend for themselves as individuals in the private market.

With these moves, a voucher-type system is being instituted. Big business and its representatives in both political parties eye Medicare, the government-run health program for seniors and the disabled, and Medicaid, the program for the poor jointly administered by the federal government and the states, as the next big targets for privatization and dismantling. The Social Security retirement program is also in their sights.

The reactionary, pro-corporate character of Obamacare needs to be viewed in this light. For the political strategists of the corporate-financial elite, the longer life span achieved in recent decades—with workers living longer in retirement and their total health costs rising as a result—has created an undesirable state of affairs. The health care overhaul is aimed at drastically reducing medical services for ordinary Americans, resulting in a deterioration of the health of workers and their families and premature, preventable deaths.

The Affordable Care Act is of a piece with the entire anti-working class agenda of the Obama administration, which seeks to claw back the social gains won by workers in the course of a century of struggles, while increasing the wealth of the tiny elite at the top. The government that claims there is “no money” for vital social needs such as health care has spent trillions bailing out the banks and the auto industry and continues to pump out $85 billion a month to prop up the stock and bond markets.

A real solution to the crisis of health care in America looks nothing like Obamacare. Health care is a social right that must be defended by the working class with its own program and perspective. Universal, quality health care can be achieved for the mass of the population only by dismantling the present for-profit health system and placing it on socialist foundations.

Satan
11-24-2013, 12:57 PM
Sorry, I don't read wsws on a regular basis, though they have posted the occasional good article. Usually I only find them when somebody else links it elsewhere.

And for the record, most true Demoncrats never favored the Romney/Hillary/Obama(though NOT what he campaigned on)care approach in the first place. We wanted single payer. Or at the very least, a public option, to force the insurance corporations to play nice, through competition.

The biggest irony is that "pro business" Republicans should be for single payer more than anybody. There's a reason why car companies in Germany and Japan don't have the problems that the US "big three" do. Actually there are additional reasons, but the fact that these countries have actual HEALTH CARE systems, and it's not a burden for the employer is a BIG part of it.

Nitro Express
11-24-2013, 08:21 PM
Well the problem is we have too many crooks in positions of power. We have too many people who as long as they get their cut they don't care what happens to the country as a whole. You multiply that attitude on a large scale and you have a completely dysfunctional and unsustainable situation. That's the problem. Sure we can piss all over the Democrats and the Obama Administration but the Republicans and Bush had the bases loaded. They had all three branches of government and they could have turned the ship. Instead they went on a big corrupt power trip and we lost many of our rights as a result. They all are scum in my book.

Nitro Express
11-24-2013, 08:26 PM
Sorry, I don't read wsws on a regular basis, though they have posted the occasional good article. Usually I only find them when somebody else links it elsewhere.

And for the record, most true Demoncrats never favored the Romney/Hillary/Obama(though NOT what he campaigned on)care approach in the first place. We wanted single payer. Or at the very least, a public option, to force the insurance corporations to play nice, through competition.



The biggest irony is that "pro business" Republicans should be for single payer more than anybody. There's a reason why car companies in Germany and Japan don't have the problems that the US "big three" do. Actually there are additional reasons, but the fact that these countries have actual HEALTH CARE systems, and it's not a burden for the employer is a BIG part of it.

The average Democrat was not for Obamacare. That's why the congress had to ram it through on Christmas Eve. When the congress passes legislation over a holiday and are in a hurry to do it, the result is never good. We didn't know what we were getting. Nobody had time to read the legislation. You are talking about something larger than the US federal income tax code and something that affects 18% of the US economy. Yeah. I would say it's important to read the legislation and have a proper debate over it. No. Someone wanted the power and they wanted it now!

To make a single payer healthcare system work you need competent and honest administration. Who is that going to be? Point them out!

Nitro Express
11-24-2013, 10:42 PM
http://youtu.be/bPIsjH25GHo

More proof Obama works for corporations and not the American people. Maybe he can borrow a line from Mitt Romney and just say corporations are people.

Seshmeister
11-24-2013, 10:47 PM
It's more likely that Mitt Romney is a corporation...

Nitro Express
11-24-2013, 11:08 PM
Mitt runs a big laundry service. He launders dirty money.


As previously reported in by the Columbus Free Press, the Romney family, namely Mitt, Ann, G Scott and Tagg Romney, along with Mitt's "6th son" and campaign finance chair have a secretive private equity firm called Solamere Capital Partners. This firms ties to Romney's campaign and bundlers is already well documented, along with its connection to the manufacture and distribution of voting machines. What is not as well documented is a subsidiary of that private equity firm hiring employees of a failed firm tied to a Ponzi scheme that has a long history of money laundering for Latin American drug cartels and to the Iran-Contra scandal.

Allen Stanford is currently serving a 110-year prison sentence for convictions on 13 counts of fraud. His companies were placed in receivership. $8 billion of Stanford's stolen money has yet to be recovered and the victims are in court to recover those funds and incentive pay bonuses to Stanford employees (including Bambauer, May and Phillips) for fraudulently getting people to invest in an operation that later bilked many of them out of their life's savings.



Mitt is just another well connected white collar criminal.

jacksmar
12-03-2013, 11:02 AM
http://boudicabpi.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/mri_machine.jpg

Satan
12-03-2013, 12:48 PM
Shouldn't there be a BCE logo on that oven?

They paid for it, after all.......

ELVIS
12-03-2013, 12:49 PM
That is the BCE logo...:biggrin:

Va Beach VH Fan
12-03-2013, 07:58 PM
Seems Consumer Reports approves of it now....

Dr. Love
12-04-2013, 12:26 AM
My insurance (blue cross blue shield) has tried to cancel my plan 3 times now, and are now raising my rates.

jacksmar
12-05-2013, 05:47 AM
Though this transitional policy was not anticipated by health insurance issuers when setting rates for 2014, the risk corridor program should help ameliorate unanticipated changes in premium revenue. We intend to explore ways to modify the risk corridor program final rules to provide additional assistance.

English: Blank check signed by the taxpayer.

Satan
12-07-2013, 10:10 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e5AWTeI-k0

jacksmar
12-12-2013, 11:22 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b4RH2WroHU

jacksmar
12-13-2013, 02:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_1RSKbhbz4

1 state down, 56 more states to go.

Nickdfresh
12-14-2013, 07:54 PM
Um what? 56?

Satan
12-18-2013, 12:45 AM
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/imgs/2013/131217-yet-more-gop-healthcare-hypocrisy.jpg

jacksmar
12-27-2013, 09:48 PM
http://1389blog.com/pix/before-and-after-obamacare.png

jacksmar
01-02-2014, 09:32 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/11-gop-attorneys-general-obamacare-204600077.html;_ylt=A0SO80IhHsZSMRYAtMxXNyoA;_ylu= X3oDMTEzOHAwZW9wBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2dxMQR2dG lkA1NNRTM0M18x

The White House is facing legal backlash from 11 Republican attorneys general who say the President is breaking the law by making changes to Obamacare without first going through Congress.

West Virginia Attorney General Patrick Morrisey sent a letter on Thursday to Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius questioning the constitutionality of the president’s latest executive action that allowed insurance companies to continue offering plans that had been cancelled. The letter, signed by attorneys general from Republican-dominated states including Alabama, Georgia, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas and Virginia, called the rule change “flatly illegal under federal constitutional and statutory law.”

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Nobody can do a damn thing about it as long as Obama and Holder and a democrat senate are in office. The teapublicans and the GOP primaries will be the worst ever. A house divided but unified in the end by Lord Barack.

ELVIS
01-02-2014, 09:41 PM
Um what? 56?




Stop playing dumb, Shitforbrains...

Satan
01-02-2014, 10:04 PM
Clearly he misspoke.... he couldn't do Alaska or Hawaii, and he had "one left to go" = 47.

Although, if you counted up the number of actual primaries and caucuses, 57 would probably be the correct number.

Because, in addition to the states, there is Washington DC, Puerto Rico, Guam, a few other territories which slipped the Devil's mind at the moment, and the general primary for "Americans abroad" which covers all US citizens out of the country for whatever reason and not voting in their home town primaries.

So much like Al Gore's comments regarding the creation of the Internet, it's a lot of dragonshit about nothing.

Satan
01-02-2014, 10:08 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/11-gop-attorneys-general-obamacare-204600077.html;_ylt=A0SO80IhHsZSMRYAtMxXNyoA;_ylu= X3oDMTEzOHAwZW9wBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2dxMQR2dG lkA1NNRTM0M18x

The White House is facing legal backlash from 11 Republican attorneys general who say the President is breaking the law by making changes to Obamacare without first going through Congress.

West Virginia Attorney General Patrick Morrisey sent a letter on Thursday to Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius questioning the constitutionality of the president’s latest executive action that allowed insurance companies to continue offering plans that had been cancelled. The letter, signed by attorneys general from Republican-dominated states including Alabama, Georgia, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas and Virginia, called the rule change “flatly illegal under federal constitutional and statutory law.”

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Nobody can do a damn thing about it as long as Obama and Holder and a democrat senate are in office. The teapublicans and the GOP primaries will be the worst ever. A house divided but unified in the end by Lord Barack.

Maybe by the time this is picked apart by all the KKKochsucking governors, and the 9 Repukes on the Extreme Court (yes, they are ALL Republicans, as Sotomayor just proved beyond any doubt) you'll realize that single payer was the goddamned correct answer all along?

jacksmar
01-02-2014, 10:08 PM
Al Gore invented dragonshit.

jacksmar
01-02-2014, 10:12 PM
Maybe by the time this is picked apart by all the KKKochsucking governors, and the 9 Repukes on the Extreme Court (yes, they are ALL Republicans, as Sotomayor just proved beyond any doubt) you'll realize that single payer was the goddamned correct answer all along?

no. wrong again FORD. If it was sooooooooooooooo important to get healthcare to those who didn't have it, the government should have issued 2 MILLION DOLLAR check for anybody that wanted it.

This fact will be way too big for you to wrap your head around. And you got a big fucking head.

Satan
01-02-2014, 10:18 PM
no. wrong again FORD. If it was sooooooooooooooo important to get healthcare to those who didn't have it, the government should have issued 2 MILLION DOLLAR check for anybody that wanted it.

This fact will be way too big for you to wrap your head around. And you got a big fucking head.

I have an average size head with average size horns. And I doubt most of you mortals would need 2 million dollars worth of health care in a typical year, but in the event that you DID require that level of care, it should be available. That's the entire point of single payer systems. Everybody pays into the system, everybody gets the same level of care out of it. No lazy assed CEO gets paid millions to sit on his ass.

How the HELL can anyone (other than the lazy assed CEO) have a problem with that?

jacksmar
01-02-2014, 10:27 PM
Told you; you wouldn't get it.

ELVIS
01-02-2014, 10:43 PM
:biggrin: