Actor Philip Seymour Hoffman Dead of Drug Overdose

[Nickdfresh]

Philip Seymour Hoffman found dead with needle in arm: cops

By Larry Celona and Bruce Golding

February 2, 2014 | 1:28pm
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Oscar-winning actor Philip Seymour Hoffman was found dead of an apparent drug overdose — in the bathroom with a hypodermic needle still in his arm — inside a Greenwich Village home on Sunday morning, cops said.

A personal assistant found Hoffman’s body in an apartment at 35 Bethune St. and called 911 around 11:30 a.m, sources said.

Cops are at the scene and are investigating, sources said.

In 2006, Hoffman publicly admitted that he nearly succumbed to substance abuse graduating from NYU’s drama school, but got sober in rehab.

“It was all that (drugs and alcohol), yeah. It was anything I could get my hands on…I liked it all,” he told “60 Minutes” as the time.

Last year, Hoffman reportedly checked himself into rehab again for ten days after relapsing in 2012.

TMZ said he began using prescription pills, then snorted heroin for about a week before realizing he needed help.

LINK (http://nypost.com/2014/02/02/philip-seymour-hoffman-found-dead-in-his-apartment/)

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Loved this movie....

[vandeleur]

Yeah bad shit , was surprised at his age .. He had that washed out likes a drink look.
Great actor .

[Fairwrning]

This one doesnt surprise me at all

[binnie]

A tremendous talent. What a sad way to go.

[Nickdfresh]

It is sad and a loss. I forgot that he's from not far from here in the neighboring city of Rochester, NY...

[ELVIS]

46 years old...

http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/philip-seymour-hoffman-catching-fire-gi.jpg

He looked 76...


RIP I guess...

[FORD]

Yeah... he looks almost as old as Alex Jones. (who isn't even 40 yet. What kind of drugs is he on?)

[ELVIS]

Alex Jones doesn't have liver spots...

[FORD]

well... not that you know of anyway.

Seriously though, the dude looks like he's in his early 60s. I was actually shocked to find out he was 39. Unless he's a fan of Jack Benny and he's lying about it.

With him, it's probably like Breitfart - all the irrational hatred is aging him.

[Nickdfresh]

Yeah... he looks almost as old as Alex Jones. (who isn't even 40 yet. What kind of drugs is he on?)

He's a sausage addict.

[twonabomber]

Not sad...dumb.

[78/84 guy]

What a bummer. He was great in Boogie nights for sure, one of the most fucked up movies ever made ! What a cast. And loved him as the small town cop in Nobody's Fool with Paul Newman. A very underrated movie. Ton's of great lines in it. We have lost some great one's in the last few months. Farina really bummed me out. RIP.

[Nickdfresh]

Behind that laugh, Hoffman was a seriously talented actor (http://www.buffalonews.com/columns/jeff-simon/behind-that-laugh-hoffman-was-a-seriously-talented-actor-20140202)

You could joke with Philip Seymour Hoffman.

Which is to say nothing about him seemed like you were talking to one of the greatest living actors in American movies – not the paunchy, everyday-looking schlub he looked like or the easy, candid, often jolly way he talked, either.

When he laughed, he laughed hard – the big booming laugh of a man who loved to enjoy life as much as anyone you’d ever be likely to meet.

I heard that laugh in 2000 when I interviewed the actor from the Rochester suburb of Fairport in his hotel suite about his role playing the legendary rock critic and chaos-monger Lester Bangs in Cameron Crowe’s film “Almost Famous.”

Lester Bangs died of an accidental overdose of prescription drugs and Nyquil in 1982. Hoffman – to the horror of critics, other actors and fans alike – reportedly died of a heroin overdose Sunday with a hypodermic needle still in his arm. He was 46.

During that 2000 interview, I told him jokingly that my daughter’s response on learning he’d grown up in Rochester was to say that you could always tell a boy who’d been raised on Western New York cuisine.

Hence the big booming laugh – the laugh of a man with a moderate paunch who’d enjoyed acquiring every pound.

He not only was one of the great living American film actors – winner of a Best Actor Oscar for the 2005 film “Capote” – but he seemed to be all of that in the most admirable possible way. That is, he was a man with no apparent hunger for stardom whatsoever; a man who was, nevertheless, always one of the best, if not the best, thing about any movie he ever made.

So when I asked in that hotel suite, quite frankly, if other actors ever got in his face for stealing scenes, his answer shocked me.

“My aim is never to take focus. My aim is to try to be as interesting as I can be. To try to be as true as I can be. … The actor is always paranoid about whether it’s his last job. Will he ever be hired again? Most actors think they suck. … No matter how successful you get, you’re still going to feel that way if you have any care in what you do. It’s inevitable.

“The art of acting is an exposing art. … If you sat down and thought about it, you probably wouldn’t do it anymore.”

His mother, Marilyn Hoffman, was a former Rochester judge and prominent Rochester attorney. It was her taking him as a boy to Rochester’s Geva Theater that turned him on to the profession. When I asked him what performances stuck out among all he’d seen as a kid, he named only one – ironically, a teenage Robert Downey Jr. before his own much-publicized drug troubles, in “Alms for the Middle Class.”

Growing up in Fairport, he said, “My friends were the guys that were the athletes – or the potheads.”

The news stories now are telling us about Hoffman’s long-term drug difficulties and stints in rehab that amounted to naught in the final analysis.

There are a few films remaining to be released and a Showtime TV series. But, after that, one of the actors who seemed to embody the very best, by far, in his profession won’t be “doing it anymore.”

We’ll probably never know if he “thought about it,” before the final needle in his arm made sure of that. All we can do is hope to heaven that wasn’t the case.

All we can do as critics, fans or fellow performers is hope that he knew – really knew in his deepest parts – how very good we all thought he was. It’s our only consolation.

He’s forever deaf to our applause now.

email: jsimon@buffnews.com

[Seshmeister]

He was 25 when he played the rich kid in 'Scent of a Woman'?

[cadaverdog]

46 years old...

http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/philip-seymour-hoffman-catching-fire-gi.jpg





He's not really dead. He's just playing the part of a dead junkie in a movie later this year and wanted to get into character early.

[DLR Bridge]

http://youtu.be/oE2FCCZ50VU

He was damn good. When I think of him, I usually think of this exchange with Adam Sandler, who actually stepped up his game in Punch Drunk Love. Then, fell back into suck.

[binnie]

Before the Devil Knows Your Dead

Doubt

Charlie Wilson's War

The Talented Mr Ripley

Capote

The Master

The Ides Of March

Synechdoche, New York

Happiness


Just a few films that are well worth watching. PSH was a remarkable talent.

[Sensible Shoes]

Great obit. Too bad it had to be written by one of the most self absorbed dicks alive.



Behind that laugh, Hoffman was a seriously talented actor (http://www.buffalonews.com/columns/jeff-simon/behind-that-laugh-hoffman-was-a-seriously-talented-actor-20140202)

You could joke with Philip Seymour Hoffman.

Which is to say nothing about him seemed like you were talking to one of the greatest living actors in American movies – not the paunchy, everyday-looking schlub he looked like or the easy, candid, often jolly way he talked, either.

When he laughed, he laughed hard – the big booming laugh of a man who loved to enjoy life as much as anyone you’d ever be likely to meet.

I heard that laugh in 2000 when I interviewed the actor from the Rochester suburb of Fairport in his hotel suite about his role playing the legendary rock critic and chaos-monger Lester Bangs in Cameron Crowe’s film “Almost Famous.”

Lester Bangs died of an accidental overdose of prescription drugs and Nyquil in 1982. Hoffman – to the horror of critics, other actors and fans alike – reportedly died of a heroin overdose Sunday with a hypodermic needle still in his arm. He was 46.

During that 2000 interview, I told him jokingly that my daughter’s response on learning he’d grown up in Rochester was to say that you could always tell a boy who’d been raised on Western New York cuisine.

Hence the big booming laugh – the laugh of a man with a moderate paunch who’d enjoyed acquiring every pound.

He not only was one of the great living American film actors – winner of a Best Actor Oscar for the 2005 film “Capote” – but he seemed to be all of that in the most admirable possible way. That is, he was a man with no apparent hunger for stardom whatsoever; a man who was, nevertheless, always one of the best, if not the best, thing about any movie he ever made.

So when I asked in that hotel suite, quite frankly, if other actors ever got in his face for stealing scenes, his answer shocked me.

“My aim is never to take focus. My aim is to try to be as interesting as I can be. To try to be as true as I can be. … The actor is always paranoid about whether it’s his last job. Will he ever be hired again? Most actors think they suck. … No matter how successful you get, you’re still going to feel that way if you have any care in what you do. It’s inevitable.

“The art of acting is an exposing art. … If you sat down and thought about it, you probably wouldn’t do it anymore.”

His mother, Marilyn Hoffman, was a former Rochester judge and prominent Rochester attorney. It was her taking him as a boy to Rochester’s Geva Theater that turned him on to the profession. When I asked him what performances stuck out among all he’d seen as a kid, he named only one – ironically, a teenage Robert Downey Jr. before his own much-publicized drug troubles, in “Alms for the Middle Class.”

Growing up in Fairport, he said, “My friends were the guys that were the athletes – or the potheads.”

The news stories now are telling us about Hoffman’s long-term drug difficulties and stints in rehab that amounted to naught in the final analysis.

There are a few films remaining to be released and a Showtime TV series. But, after that, one of the actors who seemed to embody the very best, by far, in his profession won’t be “doing it anymore.”

We’ll probably never know if he “thought about it,” before the final needle in his arm made sure of that. All we can do is hope to heaven that wasn’t the case.

All we can do as critics, fans or fellow performers is hope that he knew – really knew in his deepest parts – how very good we all thought he was. It’s our only consolation.

He’s forever deaf to our applause now.

email: jsimon@buffnews.com

[Von Halen]

Great obit. Too bad it had to be written by one of the most self absorbed dicks alive.

Don't talk about NickD like that.

I've never heard of this dead dude.

[DLR Bridge]

I've never heard of this dead dude.

He played Yoda in the Star Wars movies. :biggrin:

[Von Halen]

He played Yoda in the Star Wars movies. :biggrin:

I never saw that stupid Star Wars shit.

[cadaverdog]

I never saw that stupid Star Wars shit.
You didn't miss much. The only reason I have fond memories of the first movie is because I walked to the snack bar with my friends older sister and a bunch of my high school buddies saw us and told everyone I took some really hot babe to the movies making me instantly popular at school. I should have asked her friend to come with us and I might have been elected president of the school the next year.

[DLR Bridge]

I never saw that stupid Star Wars shit.

I know! I was busting chops. He had nothing to do with Star Wars.

[Sensible Shoes]

http://youtu.be/HpISLkb5L5E

Hope this will work - PSH as Lester Bangs in Almost Famous - one of my favorite movies of all time. He was great.

[cadaverdog]

I know! I was busting chops. He had nothing to do with Star Wars.
He had an uncreditted part as Chewbacca's drug connection but it ended up on the cutting room floor.

[cadaverdog]

http://youtu.be/HpISLkb5L5E

Hope this will work - PSH as Lester Bangs in Almost Famous - one of my favorite movies of all time. He was great.
I saw it but I don't remember that character. I remember him as the rat bastard in Scent Of A Woman though.

[Sensible Shoes]

Sure you remember him - he was the rock journalist that the kid would call when he was in trouble.

[vandeleur]

Lester bangs ...great movie , fab porn name :D

[Seshmeister]

Losing both Hoffman and Gandolfini so young is a real shame, they should have had another 25 years work ahead of them to entertain us.

Meanwhile Piers Morgan and Alex Jones live on...

[Seshmeister]

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/06/russell-brand-philip-seymour-hoffman-drug-laws?CMP=fb_ot

Russell Brand: Philip Seymour Hoffman is another victim of extremely stupid drug laws

In Hoffman's domestic or sex life there is no undiscovered riddle – the man was a drug addict and, thanks to our drug laws, his death inevitable


Russell Brand
The Guardian, Thursday 6 February 2014



http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/2/6/1391696545246/Hoffman-brand-article-011.jpg

Philip Seymour Hoffman's death was not on the bill.

If it'd been the sacrifice of Miley Cyrus or Justin Bieber, that we are invited to anticipate daily, we could delight in the Faustian justice of the righteous dispatch of a fast-living, sequin-spattered denizen of eMpTyV. We are tacitly instructed to await their demise with necrophilic sanctimony. When the end comes, they screech on Fox and TMZ, it will be deserved. The Mail provokes indignation, luridly baiting us with the sidebar that scrolls from the headline down to hell.

But Philip Seymour Hoffman? A middle-aged man, a credible and decorated actor, the industrious and unglamorous artisan of Broadway and serious cinema? The disease of addiction recognises none of these distinctions. Whilst routinely described as tragic, Hoffman's death is insufficiently sad to be left un-supplemented in the mandatory posthumous scramble for salacious garnish; we will now be subjected to mourn-ography posing as analysis. I can assure you that there is no as yet undiscovered riddle in his domestic life or sex life, the man was a drug addict and his death inevitable.

A troubling component of this sad loss is the complete absence of hedonism. Like a lot of drug addicts, probably most, who "go over", Hoffman was alone when he died. This is an inescapably bleak circumstance. When we reflect on Bieber's Louis Vuitton embossed, Lamborghini cortege it is easy to equate addiction with indulgence and immorality. The great actor dying alone denies us this required narrative prang.

The reason I am so non-judgmental of Hoffman or Bieber and so condemnatory of the pop cultural tinsel that adorns the reporting around them is that I am a drug addict in recovery, so like any drug addict I know exactly how Hoffman felt when he "went back out". In spite of his life seeming superficially great, in spite of all the praise and accolades, in spite of all the loving friends and family, there is a predominant voice in the mind of an addict that supersedes all reason and that voice wants you dead. This voice is the unrelenting echo of an unfulfillable void.

Addiction is a mental illness around which there is a great deal of confusion, which is hugely exacerbated by the laws that criminalise drug addicts.

If drugs are illegal people who use drugs are criminals. We have set our moral compass on this erroneous premise, and we have strayed so far off course that the landscape we now inhabit provides us with no solutions and greatly increases the problem.

This is an important moment in history; we know that prohibition does not work. We know that the people who devise drug laws are out of touch and have no idea how to reach a solution. Do they even have the inclination? The fact is their methods are so gallingly ineffective that it is difficult not to deduce that they are deliberately creating the worst imaginable circumstances to maximise the harm caused by substance misuse.

People are going to use drugs; no self-respecting drug addict is even remotely deterred by prohibition. What prohibition achieves is an unregulated, criminal-controlled, sprawling, global mob-economy, where drug users, their families and society at large are all exposed to the worst conceivable version of this regrettably unavoidable problem.

Countries like Portugal and Switzerland that have introduced progressive and tolerant drug laws have seen crime plummet and drug-related deaths significantly reduced. We know this. We know this system doesn't work – and yet we prop it up with ignorance and indifference. Why? Wisdom is acting on knowledge. Now we are aware that our drug laws aren't working and that alternatives are yielding positive results, why are we not acting? Tradition? Prejudice? Extreme stupidity? The answer is all three. Change is hard, apathy is easy, tradition is the narcotic of our rulers. The people who are most severely affected by drug prohibition are dispensable, politically irrelevant people. Poor people. Addiction affects all of us but the poorest pay the biggest price.

Philip Seymour Hoffman's death is a reminder, though, that addiction is indiscriminate. That it is sad, irrational and hard to understand. What it also clearly demonstrates is that we are a culture that does not know how to treat its addicts. Would Hoffman have died if this disease were not so enmeshed in stigma? If we weren't invited to believe that people who suffer from addiction deserve to suffer? Would he have OD'd if drugs were regulated, controlled and professionally administered? Most importantly, if we insisted as a society that what is required for people who suffer from this condition is an environment of support, tolerance and understanding.

The troubling message behind Philip Seymour Hoffman's death, which we all feel without articulating, is that it was unnecessary and we know that something could be done. We also know what that something is and yet, for some traditional, prejudicial, stupid reason we don't do it.

[ELVIS]

Meanwhile Piers Morgan and Alex Jones live on...

Piers Morgan is a whore and Alex Jones is far more than just mere entertainment...

But if entertainment is all you're living for, sucks to be you, I guess...

[ELVIS]

People are going to use drugs; no self-respecting drug addict is even remotely deterred by prohibition. What prohibition achieves is an unregulated, criminal-controlled, sprawling, global mob-economy, where drug users, their families and society at large are all exposed to the worst conceivable version of this regrettably unavoidable problem.



Very well said...

I'm no big Brand fan but he seems to be pretty smart and alert...

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Fantastic eulogy from Aaron Sorkin:



Aaron Sorkin: Philip Seymour Hoffman’s Death Saved 10 Lives

The creator of 'The West Wing' and the renowned actor shared a struggle with drug addiction. Sorkin remembers a performer who dominated the real estate upon which his characters walked

By Aaron Sorkin Feb. 05, 2014

Phil Hoffman and I had two things in common. We were both fathers of young children, and we were both recovering drug addicts. Of course I’d known Phil’s work for a long time — since his remarkably perfect film debut as a privileged, cowardly prep-school kid in Scent of a Woman — but I’d never met him until the first table read for Charlie Wilson’s War, in which he’d been cast as Gust Avrakotos, a working-class CIA agent who’d fallen out of favor with his Ivy League colleagues. A 180-degree turn.

On breaks during rehearsals, we would sometimes slip outside our soundstage on the Paramount lot and get to swapping stories. It’s not unusual to have these mini-AA meetings — people like us are the only ones to whom tales of insanity don’t sound insane. “Yeah, I used to do that.” I told him I felt lucky because I’m squeamish and can’t handle needles. He told me to stay squeamish. And he said this: “If one of us dies of an overdose, probably 10 people who were about to won’t.” He meant that our deaths would make news and maybe scare someone clean.

So it’s in that spirit that I’d like to say this: Phil Hoffman, this kind, decent, magnificent, thunderous actor, who was never outwardly “right” for any role but who completely dominated the real estate upon which every one of his characters walked, did not die from an overdose of heroin — he died from heroin. We should stop implying that if he’d just taken the proper amount then everything would have been fine.

He didn’t die because he was partying too hard or because he was depressed — he died because he was an addict on a day of the week with a y in it. He’ll have his well-earned legacy — his Willy Loman that belongs on the same shelf with Lee J. Cobb’s and Dustin Hoffman’s, his Jamie Tyrone, his Truman Capote and his Academy Award. Let’s add to that 10 people who were about to die who won’t now.

[Nickdfresh]

Piers Morgan is a whore and Alex Jones is far more than just mere entertainment...

..

Yeah, he's a much bigger gutter whore with vastly more cocks to suck...

[Seshmeister]

Very well said...

I'm no big Brand fan but he seems to be pretty smart and alert...

Brand can be annoying and wrong but as an ex heroin addict who really touched bottom his opinion on these things is worth more of a listen than almost all of the professional politicians who are too gutless or bought to do anything useful on the issue.

I naively thought that once the generation of people who were young in the 70s and 80s took power this would be sorted out because otherwise it would be insanely hypocritical.

Apparently not insanely hypocritical enough. Obama can laugh on talk shows about what he smoked while president of a country who will lock up and destroy the lives of people who do the exact same thing but get caught???

[Seshmeister]

Piers Morgan is a whore

I hope a whore lobby group sues you for libel... :)

[DONNIEP]

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/06/russell-brand-philip-seymour-hoffman-drug-laws?CMP=fb_ot

[b]Russell Brand: Philip Seymour Hoffman is another victim of extremely stupid drug laws

In Hoffman's domestic or sex life there is no undiscovered riddle – the man was a drug addict and, thanks to our drug laws, his death inevitable

This is actually laughable. The laws killed this guy?? Why? Because everybody expects the gubment to provide clean, consistent dope? Are you fucking kidding me? This shit ain't made in a motherfucking brewery. It's not made in a distillery. It's made in some shit hole that NONE of you would ever want to walk into. It's shit! You ride the Dragon, you pay the price. Most of the time you wind up high as shit and happy as hell - well, just before you pass out. (which I never understood). But sometimes you wind up dead as fuck. And making smack legal would solve the problem how?

Ok, so maybe making smack legal would force the gubment to spend my tax dollars to make sure the dope was clean and consistent. Really? I mean...really?

[Seshmeister]

Upside down thinking.

Do you think booze should be made in some shit hole? Your government tax dollars are used to make it clean and consistent but it more than pays for itself.

[FORD]

Well.... look at it this way, Donnie....

Oxycontin is a lot like heroin. They're both opiates. Both useful in pain management, and also both easy to abuse for "recreational purposes".

Difference is, you pick up your Oxy at the pharmacy, and know what your dose is when you take it. So Mush Limpdick isn't going to kill himself like Phil Hoffman did. Even though he's essentially addicted to the same drug in a different, regulated form.

[Seshmeister]

It's completely bizarre when people that believe in small government also reconcile that with the government being able to prevent people putting what they wish into their own bodies. These same people usually also think that government should also have the power to sentence people to death.

Completely illogical.

[DONNIEP]

I don't bow down to Rush.

[Seshmeister]

Bow down?

You should prostate yourself... :)

Jason Segel & Paul Rudd Meet Rush from Jason Segel

[Angel]

Well.... look at it this way, Donnie....

Oxycontin is a lot like heroin. They're both opiates. Both useful in pain management, and also both easy to abuse for "recreational purposes".

Difference is, you pick up your Oxy at the pharmacy, and know what your dose is when you take it. So Mush Limpdick isn't going to kill himself like Phil Hoffman did. Even though he's essentially addicted to the same drug in a different, regulated form.

A large percentage of oxy addicts turn to heroin when their Dr cuts them off...

[ELVIS]

Sounds like a conspiracy...

[DONNIEP]

It all comes down to where we as a society want to draw the line. Obviously all drugs can be bad and can kill you. Well, except for pot. All it does is make you laugh and hungry. So the question is do we want to make all drugs legal and have the gubment involved to make sure the stuff is "clean" or do we want to make some legal and some not. And then you have the argument of whether making every drug legal will cause more people to use/abuse them. I tend to think you'd have more people wacked out of their minds on dope if it was all legal but that's just my opinion. Who knows, maybe the same percentage of the population would be addicts, maybe that's pretty much a constant whether it's legal or not.

[FORD]

Well.... treating addiction as a health problem, rather than a criminal problem, would be a good start. Also, I haven't seen any autopsy results, but was it actually the heroin that killed Hoffman, or was it something else that it was cut with - which could be any number of toxic substances? Or the reverse could be true.... he was used to "bad" heroin, got some pure stuff, and ended up taking far more than he needed. Either way he's dead, so that doesn't really matter much now, as far as he's concerned. But as I said, this is how a legal opiate differs from an illegal one, even though the drug itself is pretty much the same.

So maybe the best option is to legalize heroin. Not as a street drug, but as a prescription drug. If somebody is an addict they can get a prescription or they can get treatment, but at least they can stop shooting up rat poison. And at least the criminals peddling the shit can be put out of business.

Of course the problem there is who is really behind the smack peddling, and that ain't some two bit thug selling it on the street corner......

http://www.hotlikesauce.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/george-h-w-bush.jpg

[Sensible Shoes]

Now I hate them as much as anybody else, but how do you figure they're behind selling drugs?

[FORD]

The BCE/CIA has been smuggling heroin and cocaine for years. It's how they fund the "black ops" that can't be written up in a Congressional budget that's part of the public record.

[DONNIEP]

Well.... treating addiction as a health problem, rather than a criminal problem, would be a good start. Also, I haven't seen any autopsy results, but was it actually the heroin that killed Hoffman, or was it something else that it was cut with - which could be any number of toxic substances? Or the reverse could be true.... he was used to "bad" heroin, got some pure stuff, and ended up taking far more than he needed. Either way he's dead, so that doesn't really matter much now, as far as he's concerned. But as I said, this is how a legal opiate differs from an illegal one, even though the drug itself is pretty much the same.

So maybe the best option is to legalize heroin. Not as a street drug, but as a prescription drug. If somebody is an addict they can get a prescription or they can get treatment, but at least they can stop shooting up rat poison. And at least the criminals peddling the shit can be put out of business.

Of course the problem there is who is really behind the smack peddling, and that ain't some two bit thug selling it on the street corner......

This I totally agree with...

[twonabomber]

A large percentage of oxy addicts turn to heroin when their Dr cuts them off...

Yep. Cheaper and easier to get.


Well.... treating addiction as a health problem, rather than a criminal problem, would be a good start.

Unfortunately it becomes a criminal problem when addicts are committing burglaries to get funds to feed their habit.

There was a big "heroin summit" in November, led by the local federal prosecutor. So far all talk and no action.

[FORD]

And if heroin were available by prescription, then all the addicts would need is money for the co-pay. Some of them might still have to steal for that, unfortunately. But it would probably be a lot less.

[Seshmeister]

I'm not sure how you can get out of the hole when you have private companies running prisons and funding politicians...

[FORD]

Well, that's a better subject for the Front Line, but the first step is to smash all the Diebold machines. If the best we can do is two crappy corporate whore candidates, the least we can ask for is to know that one of them actually got more votes.

[Seshmeister]

And if heroin were available by prescription, then all the addicts would need is money for the co-pay. Some of them might still have to steal for that, unfortunately. But it would probably be a lot less.


That's not the economics at all - it's much much worse.

It costs $167,731 a year to imprison fuckups in NY.

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/9/30/report-finds-nycinmatecostalmostasmuchasivyleaguetuition.html

Legalise and control everything and sell it to them at a price they can afford without stealing.

Then who gives a fuck what they chose to do with their lives, its not affecting the rest of us very much if anything at all.

[Nickdfresh]

Well.... treating addiction as a health problem, rather than a criminal problem, would be a good start...

100% correct...

[Nickdfresh]

The BCE/CIA has been smuggling heroin and cocaine for years. It's how they fund the "black ops" that can't be written up in a Congressional budget that's part of the public record.

100% lunacy...

[Seshmeister]

95% lunacy it has happened and been documented a couple of times. :)

[binnie]

That's not the economics at all - it's much much worse.

It costs $167,731 a year to imprison fuckups in NY.

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/9/30/report-finds-nycinmatecostalmostasmuchasivyleaguetuition.html

Legalise and control everything and sell it to them at a price they can afford without stealing.

Then who gives a fuck what they chose to do with their lives, its not affecting the rest of us very much if anything at all.

I don't if 'legalise' is the right term - if heroin were as readily available as booze, we'd have a huge problem. De-criminalize and control sounds better - providing heroin to those already addicted (rather than creating new addicts) at a lower cost would be one way to begin to solve the problem. But we'd still have to provide health/rehab facilities, and I think many people would still 'give a fuck' about people who make such a (admitedly stupid) mistake.

[twonabomber]

Hey, if they OD, chances are they're also going off the unemployment and/or welfare rolls.

The gangs and dealers will still make their living illegally, if they're not selling drugs it'll be some other crime.

[Nickdfresh]

95% lunacy it has happened and been documented a couple of times. :)

Yeah, it has. Just not in the blanket, muppet conspiracy realm. I think the problem of a lot of it is misunderstood and this actually allows the CIA to act badly because you have conspiracists reinforcing their own ineffectualism and hindering reforms. Certainly, they were tainted with looking the other way and even tacitly supporting drug lord cunts at various times. But I think some things are fundamentally misunderstood and/or exaggerated into "the CIA shipped drugs to the States, and used the money for satanic festivals blah blah"...

[Nickdfresh]

Hey, if they OD, chances are they're also going off the unemployment and/or welfare rolls.

The gangs and dealers will still make their living illegally, if they're not selling drugs it'll be some other crime.

FFS that's kind of a bullshit statement to make in this thread. Hoffman was worth at least $35 million when he died and had a legendary work ethic! How much do you think the economy loses when intelligent and potentially hardworking young people become waster junkies?

[Heater]

And if heroin were available by prescription, then all the addicts would need is money for the co-pay. Some of them might still have to steal for that, unfortunately. But it would probably be a lot less.

How so?

[Heater]

How so?

And are you supposing that this would save lives somehow?

[Satan]

And are you supposing that this would save lives somehow?

Of course it would......

In my profession, I meet people who died in dumb circumstances every day. A lot of them are drug addicts who either OD'd on some street drug or unintentionally poisoned themselves with whatever substance that a greedy dealer decided to cut it with.

Now of course, people also overdose on legal prescriptions all the time, but they usually mean to do so. But that takes it to mental health issues, and that's an entirely different discussion. But taking the drugs off the street and taking street criminals out of the process would certainly keep people on that side of the ground a while longer, and possibly give them a shot at getting help for their addiction. Detox is a bitch, but detoxing in Hell is 666 times worse. It's not a lot of fun to watch........

[Nickdfresh]

I don't think heroin should be generally available at all. But I think it should be made available to clinical junkies in small amounts under a strict monitoring and rehab program. I mean, WTF is methadone? We prescribe patches, oxy, and suckers with drugs in them FFS...

[Satan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkKQXa2X2MU

[Kristy]

46 years old...

http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/philip-seymour-hoffman-catching-fire-gi.jpg

He looked 76...


RIP I guess...

More like 86. What alcohol, drugs and bad pussy will do to you.
Author Donna Tartt (yes I know not any of you read) is 51 and she looks hotter than shit...for 51.
http://www.student365.co.uk/Upload/Editor/Pictures/image13.jpeg

[Satan]

I suspect that picture was just slightly airbrushed a bit.....

http://languageisavirus.com/donna_tartt/pictures/donna-tartt/Donna-Tartt_9872_xlarge.jpg

Still looks healthier than Phillip Hoffman, Alex Jones, or Andrew Breitfart though.

[Kristy]

She just woke up there.
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02699/donna-tartt-portra_2699574b.jpg

This whole androgynous look she's been pulling off lately is a bit creepy though.

[cadaverdog]

WTF is methadone?
Apparently it's something they give junkies to sell to buy heroin. That might not be the intended purpose but it does the job.

[cadaverdog]

More like 86. What alcohol, drugs and bad pussy will do to you.
I wasn't aware you and Phil were dating.