Family to GM: Our Son is Dead. Please, Stop Sending Us Recall Notices

[ELVIS]

:elvis:

[Kristy]

.....crickets.....

[Von Halen]

Fuck Generic Motors. They should have gone out of business.

[Nitro Express]

People should know how to handle a car if the engine cuts out. You lose power assist but you still can control the car. The problem is the watered down drivers training we have. People aren't trained how to deal with it and they don't know what to do. We had a neighbor who's accelerator stuck. It was a Ford Explorer and it was an electrical defect. Instead of just turning off the ignition switch and maybe using the emergency brake to stop. She paniced and dodged cars and the only thing she could think of to stop was to drive into a fence.

Parts go defective. Sure GM should have sent out notices but you still can brake a car and steer a car with the engine off. It just takes some extra effort. You have a secondary braking manual braking system. It's called an emergency brake for a reason.

Shit Happens. People need to be better trained to deal with if it does. People are dying because they simply don't know what to do and panic.

[Nitro Express]

Fuck Generic Motors. They should have gone out of business.

Agreed. The banks should have not been bailed out either. Iceland refused to bail their banks out, threw some of the bankers in jail and they are doing great right now. Yup. Let losers fail. It clears out the dead wood. If someone wants to build Cadillacs, Pontiacs, Chevrolet, Buick, or whatever. They can buy the name and go to it.

[Kristy]

Fuck Generic Motors. They should have gone out of business.

Who would win in a street fight?

A 1970 Super Sexy Ford Calypso Red 428 "Cobra Jet" Mustang
http://www.mecum.com/auctions/SC0513/SC0513-154136/images/SC0513-154136_1.jpg

Or...a 1975 Chevrolet Vega?
http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/chevrolet-vega-9.jpg


No reason other than those Boss Mustangs were god damn sexy!

[Nitro Express]

Ford took zero bailout money. They sold off Land Rover and Jaguar to Tata to raise some extra cash. Did some reorganizing and pulled through.

[Von Halen]

Is that a Cobra Jet, or a Super Cobra Jet?

Let's see, big block vs. puny 4 cylinder...

The '69 and '70 Mach 1's are some of the greatest muscle cars ever. Shaker hood. Wing. Window Louvers.

I'm getting a boner, and not just because of you Kristy.

[Kristy]

Who the fuck cares? The muscle era was when Detroit could build a fucking car. Now look at all these pussy Prius and Ford Focus clown cars driven by yuppies and hipsters. Fuck the auto industry.

Okay, so the 1969 Camaro R/S was somewhat sexy.
http://www.auctionsamerica.com/images/lots/AF13/AF13_r2346_01.jpg

[Kristy]

Shaker hood.

I thought that was strictly a 'Cuda thing.

http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2008/03/17/22/54/1971_plymouth_barracuda-pic-46745.jpeg

Gas being $4/gallon bring back the muscle. What is there to lose?

[Satan]

Agreed. The banks should have not been bailed out either. Iceland refused to bail their banks out, threw some of the bankers in jail and they are doing great right now. Yup. Let losers fail. It clears out the dead wood. If someone wants to build Cadillacs, Pontiacs, Chevrolet, Buick, or whatever. They can buy the name and go to it.

There's a big difference between the auto industry and Wall Street Criminal Banks.

The auto industry actually produces something. One of the few industries left that actually does so in the US, and pays a lot of people a liveable wage in the process. And this industry impacts many others both on the supply side, from those who make the parts and materials that go into cars, and on the demand side, from local businesses that depend on auto worker cash in the communities where those factories are located.

If Gold Mansacks or Bank of UnAmerica went out of business tomorrow, nobody would give a fuck, outside of a handful of rich criminal bastards. They produce nothing.

[Nitro Express]

The Mach 1 brings back memories. My parents were gone a lot and they would hire a local girl to house sit. She had a silver Mach 1 with black stripes. I can remember riding all over in that car.

[Nitro Express]

Who the fuck cares? The muscle era was when Detroit could build a fucking car. Now look at all these pussy Prius and Ford Focus clown cars driven by yuppies and hipsters. Fuck the auto industry.

Okay, so the 1969 Camaro R/S was somewhat sexy.
http://www.auctionsamerica.com/images/lots/AF13/AF13_r2346_01.jpg

Actually the workmanship on the old muscle cars was pretty lousy. The fit and finish on the Dodge muscle cars was particularly bad. The trim was so cheap it was laughable. What the Mopars had were great engines. They were basically cheap cars with big engines. They could only go fast in a straight line. The brakes and suspension were horrible. They looked and sounded great and that's all that mattered when you went on the cruise.

[kwame k]

There's a big difference between the auto industry and Wall Street Criminal Banks.

Sure is! Banks launder billions of dollars for the Mexican Cartel and GM just sells shitty vehicles!

[Kristy]

Actually the workmanship on the old muscle cars was pretty lousy. The fit and finish on the Dodge muscle cars was particularly bad. The trim was so cheap it was laughable. What the Mopars had were great engines. They were basically cheap cars with big engines. They could only go fast in a straight line. The brakes and suspension were horrible. They looked and sounded great and that's all that mattered when you went on the cruise.

You're full of shit. Muscle was anything but cheap.

http://stblogs.hotrod.com/files/2013/09/1965-shelby-mustang-gt350-motor-trend-hot-rod.jpg

Go drive your Prius off of cliff.

[Kristy]

GM just sells shitty vehicles!

I know. I bought one.
http://www.headlightmag.com/main/images/stories/worldsnews/October_2011/2011_10_20_Chevy.jpg

[Nitro Express]

There's a big difference between the auto industry and Wall Street Criminal Banks.

The auto industry actually produces something. One of the few industries left that actually does so in the US, and pays a lot of people a liveable wage in the process. And this industry impacts many others both on the supply side, from those who make the parts and materials that go into cars, and on the demand side, from local businesses that depend on auto worker cash in the communities where those factories are located.

If Gold Mansacks or Bank of UnAmerica went out of business tomorrow, nobody would give a fuck, outside of a handful of rich criminal bastards. They produce nothing.

Banking is a service based business. Yeah what the bankers figured out is they could make more money with less hassle just gaming the markets. Easy to do in the age of computers. They buy up companies and outsource them. China becomes the new work force and as long as you have the biggest military in the world financed with the petro-dollar you in theory can keep China in check.

They got too greedy though. They war mongered too much and now Russia, China, and other countries are going to ruin the petro-dollar so the US can't finance it's military operations. The only fix I see is issuing a US greenback through the US Treasury Department. That gets rid of the Federal Reserve (something Kennedy did years ago). It probably will make imports from China 20% more expensive but that gives us an opportunity to build things again and export them.

You finance the recovery with US Treasury notes. We would have to build new factories, new equipment to go in them. We have lots of infrastructure to fix and upgrade. Lot's of job potential. Everything is financial policy. Banking is so powerful you can decide what the future is going to be short of natural disasters. Anything man made banking controls. That's what people need to understand.

You need finance before you can have a factory. People want to get paid with something.

[Nitro Express]

You're full of shit. Muscle was anything but cheap.

http://stblogs.hotrod.com/files/2013/09/1965-shelby-mustang-gt350-motor-trend-hot-rod.jpg

Go drive your Prius off of cliff.

The market for those cars were teenagers and college kids. GM, Ford, and Chrysler built stripped down cars with cheap trim and put a big engine in them. Gas was cheap and you smoked the tires when you peeled off after school.

I was in high school at the end of the muscle car era. You bought a used late 60's muscle car and fixed it up. That's why you had the after school and summer job. Little by little. You got it running good. Then you popped for some nice tires and wheels. Then you worked on the body. The day you got the new paint job was a big day. You no longer were driving a car with primer all over it. Then you worked on the interior if you cared. Usually a loud stereo was needed too.

You could buy Chargers, Mustangs, Cameros, Challengers, GTO's relatively cheap. Sometimes there was the old widow who finally decided to sell her husbands GTO with 30,000 original miles. People loved them but they weren't collectors items yet. They were cheap fun cars made cheap so kids with a job could afford one.

[Von Halen]

I thought that was strictly a 'Cuda thing.

http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2008/03/17/22/54/1971_plymouth_barracuda-pic-46745.jpeg

Gas being $4/gallon bring back the muscle. What is there to lose?

No, Ford had Shaker hoods too. That '70 Mach 1 that you posted the picture of, has one.

[Kristy]

Oh well then. I'll just sit here and wait for Nick to give me the Wiki definition of a shaker hood.

[Kristy]

The market for those cars were teenagers and college kids.

No, the market was racing as in NASCAR, IMSA, GTO racing classes for bragging rights.

[Nitro Express]

I would say most of us grew up in great times. We missed the Vietnam draft. Were too young to suffer through the 70's soft rock and disco shit. Came into the party years in the 80's. Oh yeah baby! You still could have a late 60's muscle car and still be in high school. You could blast Unchained through the big stereo. Go 110 down the highway on cheap gas. We were lucky.

[Von Halen]

You could buy Chargers, Mustangs, Cameros, Challengers, GTO's relatively cheap. Sometimes there was the old widow who finally decided to sell her husbands GTO with 30,000 original miles. People loved them but they weren't collectors items yet. They were cheap fun cars made cheap so kids with a job could afford one.

I was raised in the muscle car era, and I disagree with your assessment. Most of these cars were family cars, and priced appropriately for the times. You could buy a Roadrunner with a 318 in it, or for a mere few hundred bucks, you could upgrade it to a 440 or even a 426 Hemi.

The only teenagers getting these cars brand new, are still the same teenagers that are getting brand new cars today. The spoiled rich kids.

[Von Halen]

Oh well then. I'll just sit here and wait for Nick to give me the Wiki definition of a shaker hood.

Nicki Wiki, or Wiki Nicki, doesn't know shit about muscle cars!

[Nitro Express]

No, the market was racing as in NASCAR, IMSA, GTO racing classes for bragging rights.

Tying the cars to stock car racing was marketing. It was all about horsepower, torque, acceleration, ect... The thing is you couldn't keep a muscle car on a windy road to save your life. You couldn't stop them either. They were basically made to stomp on the gas and go fast in a straight line. It was about power and noise. It wasn't about sophistication. LOL!

[Kristy]

Nicki Wiki, or Wiki Nicki, doesn't know shit about muscle cars!

But he can Wiki them.

[Kristy]

Tying the cars to stock car racing was marketing. It was all about horsepower, torque, acceleration, ect... The thing is you couldn't keep a muscle car on a windy road to save your life. You couldn't stop them either. They were basically made to stomp on the gas and go fast in a straight line. It was about power and noise. It wasn't about sophistication. LOL!

Wrong! It was about sexiness!
http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2008/05/12/22/52/1969_ford_mustang_mach_1-pic-10221.jpeg

[Nitro Express]

I was raised in the muscle car era, and I disagree with your assessment. Most of these cars were family cars, and priced appropriately for the times. You could buy a Roadrunner with a 318 in it, or for a mere few hundred bucks, you could upgrade it to a 440 or even a 426 Hemi.

The only teenagers getting these cars brand new, are still the same teenagers that are getting brand new cars today. The spoiled rich kids.

Usually the deal was the kid would pay for part of the car and dad would pay the rest. You also have to remember we had a real middle class then. Healthcare was cheaper. School was way less. A manager of a freight depot could own their own small airplane or cabin cruiser boat. People had a lot of toys then that had middle class jobs. The standard of living was actually pretty good.

The kids that did buy their muscle car new sacrificed dearly for it. They worked construction all summer. They had jobs after school. It was school, work, and show off the car. The car was the idol they worshiped. All they talked about was cars.

[Von Halen]

This was the last muscle car I built. When my Wife's health started failing, I had to sell it. This was an original 383 (not an original R/T) car. I changed it to a 440. I had $10k in just the engine.

That Pontiac in my neighbor's garage is still in that same position. He just turned 60, and claims he is going to restore it "someday". He won't. I have offered to help him, and he always has an excuse. Money is not an issue with him.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z94/Von_Halen/Roth%20Army/545.jpg (http://s189.photobucket.com/user/Von_Halen/media/Roth%20Army/545.jpg.html)

[Nitro Express]

Wrong! It was about sexiness!
http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2008/05/12/22/52/1969_ford_mustang_mach_1-pic-10221.jpeg

That is sexy. I don't remember the Mustangs looking that good in the early 70's. They are expensive collectables now. That's a show car. Bugs wouldn't dare splat on the front of it.

[Nitro Express]

This was the last muscle car I built. When my Wife's health started failing, I had to sell it. This was an original 383 (not an original R/T) car. I changed it to a 440. I had $10k in just the engine.

That Pontiac in my neighbor's garage is still in that same position. He just turned 60, and claims he is going to restore it "someday". He won't. I have offered to help him, and he always has an excuse. Money is not an issue with him.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z94/Von_Halen/Roth%20Army/545.jpg (http://s189.photobucket.com/user/Von_Halen/media/Roth%20Army/545.jpg.html)

Man. I remember those Pontiac front ends. I was a passenger in a VW Rabbit that happened to get rear ended by a drunk indian driving a Pontiac beast of a station wagon with that very front end on it. Ah, the Rabbit did fair too well. LOL! Holy shit. I'm glad I had my seat belt on because I probably would have gone through the windshield.

[Kristy]

This was the last muscle car I built.

1971 must have been the pinnacle of Detroit muscle.

[Von Halen]

1971 must have been the pinnacle of Detroit muscle.

Pretty much. '72 and '73 were okay. Mopar had some nice cars. Generic Motors had the 2nd Gen Camaro and Firebird. Ford still had some decent stuff. But that was the very end.

[Nitro Express]

In my opinion the greatest eras of car design were the 30's and the 60's. They really designed some beautiful american cars in the 60's. When the government safety standards started to go in effect in the 70's car designers couldn't be so creative. Big bumpers started to appear and then higher gas mileage standards had to be met. The arab oil embargo killed the classic muscle car.

In the 60's car designers didn't have to design to meet regulations, they designed for the art of it. That's why those cars look great.

[Nitro Express]

Pretty much. '72 and '73 were okay. Mopar had some nice cars. Generic Motors had the 2nd Gen Camaro and Firebird. Ford still had some decent stuff. But that was the very end.

In the 60's Chrysler was the premier engineering company. I always thought their cars lacked in asthetics but man did they have great engines and transmissions. Far superior to the others. The old Chrysler Imperials were superior cars to anything Rolls-Royce put out. They just never sold well. There seems to be collectors interest in them now.

[ELVIS]

.....crickets.....

Retard...

[Kristy]

Pretty much. '72 and '73 were okay. Mopar had some nice cars. Generic Motors had the 2nd Gen Camaro and Firebird. Ford still had some decent stuff. But that was the very end.

The Mustang II was really the end of the muscle era as well as the entire Mustang program. Probably the ugliest god damn car ever to be built (next to the Vega).

http://shnack.com/history/pics/1974FordMustang_large.jpg

[Kristy]

Retard...

Does anyone else hear that..? Sounds like a parrot squawking.

[Nitro Express]

I think they have done a good job of remaking the muscle car vibe. The new cars have lots of power, get better mileage, and look pretty decent. They handle better than the old originals do. But you aren't going to shade tree mechanic one. I doubt they will last as long. Plastic and computers seem to have a limited life. Metal as long as it doesn't rust away lasts longer and can be reshaped and repaired. We make disposable cars now. They are like disposable shavers. When they no longer do the job you toss it and get an new one.

[Nitro Express]

The Mustang II was really the end of the muscle era as well as the entire Mustang program. Probably the ugliest god damn car ever to be built (next to the Vega).

http://shnack.com/history/pics/1974FordMustang_large.jpg

My girlfriend in high school drove one of those. LOL! Yeah. The whole mid to late 70's sucked. That car represents the suckyness of it all. Everything sucked including the music on the radio.

[Satan]

The Mustang II was really the end of the muscle era as well as the entire Mustang program. Probably the ugliest god damn car ever to be built (next to the Vega).



Actually the other version of the Mustang II was even uglier....

http://www.wallpaperup.com/uploads/wallpapers/2013/10/24/164672/2e8c76794615a9fbdfc897d2fd3e4607.jpg

Looked like a Pinto had sex with a Ford Maverick and that was the resulting offspring.

[Kristy]

That's hideous.

[ELVIS]

Does anyone else hear that..? Sounds like a parrot squawking.

That was your tranny tape popping lose when you farted...

[Von Halen]

We make disposable cars now.

Yes we do.

[Nitro Express]

1971 must have been the pinnacle of Detroit muscle.

It was the begining of dark times. Wide polyester ties. Horrid looking hair. Butterfly collars. Platform shoes. In a few years disco would rear it's ugly head. They wanted to make everything look like an acid trip. Lime green shag carpet and bright orange wall paper on the walls.

[Nitro Express]

Actually the other version of the Mustang II was even uglier....

http://www.wallpaperup.com/uploads/wallpapers/2013/10/24/164672/2e8c76794615a9fbdfc897d2fd3e4607.jpg

Looked like a Pinto had sex with a Ford Maverick and that was the resulting offspring.

A good example of why the Japanese were stealing the auto market from Detroit.

[Von Halen]

A good example of why the Japanese were stealing the auto market from Detroit.

What Jap car from that era looks better?

[Kristy]

That was your tranny tape popping lose when you farted...

You seem to know a lot about gender bending.

[Kristy]

It was the begining of dark times. Wide polyester ties. Horrid looking hair. Butterfly collars. Platform shoes. In a few years disco would rear it's ugly head. They wanted to make everything look like an acid trip. Lime green shag carpet and bright orange wall paper on the walls.

Not too mention all that orange and brown furniture.

[Nitro Express]

What Jap car from that era looks better?

Datsun 280Z

[Von Halen]

I hate to tell you, but the Japs didn't steal the market with any of the Z cars.

[Nitro Express]

Not too mention all that orange and brown furniture.

Blue toilets. Nothing could just be white. Everything had to be colored. You had to have carpet in the kitchen. Shag carpet in the bathroom (total disaster) and a blue toilet. Hell let's put carpet on the walls too. They were into carpet big time in the 70's. Oh and big heavy gaudy drapes. They were still doing that awful wood paneling too.

Oh and you had to have a big custom "Love Machine" van. Cover the whole back in carpet. put in a custom windows in the back side panels. Put some brass lights in. A refrigerator and a mattress.

Be sure to look like Ron Jeremy, wear a polyester shirt unbuttoned to show off your gold chain or puka shells. Bell bottomed Angel Flight pants and some cuban heals. Now you are ready to go to the disco club to score.

[Satan]

What Jap car from that era looks better?

The Datsun 240/260/280 z series comes to mind......

http://www.ilovebodykits.com/images/products/3124_70_78_240_280Z_AD.jpg

Of course you had to actually BE Japanese to fit in one and drive it comfortably, but that's beside the point.

[Satan]

Not too mention all that orange and brown furniture.

And the avocado green appliances. We have a lot of those here in Hell, just to furnish the "Eternal 1970's" torment suite.

[Von Halen]

The Datsun 240/260/280 z series comes to mind......

http://www.ilovebodykits.com/images/products/3124_70_78_240_280Z_AD.jpg

Of course you had to actually BE Japanese to fit in one and drive it comfortably, but that's beside the point.

I like the Z cars. Of course, I'd have put a big block in them.

[Nitro Express]

Yeah but those ugly appliances were built like tanks. Nothing broke on them. They would run for years. People just got rid of them because they were ugly.

[Nitro Express]

I like the Z cars. Of course, I'd have put a big block in them.

428 Hemi with a hood scoop. Hell. Supercharge the thing and put two four barrels on.

[Von Halen]

428 Hemi

Was that a Jap engine? :D

[Nitro Express]

Was that a Jap engine? :D

Yes. Fuji Industrial made them in the 1960's.

[Nickdfresh]

Who would win in a street fight?

A 1970 Super Sexy Ford Calypso Red 428 "Cobra Jet" Mustang
http://www.mecum.com/auctions/SC0513/SC0513-154136/images/SC0513-154136_1.jpg

Or...a 1975 Chevrolet Vega?
http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/chevrolet-vega-9.jpg


No reason other than those Boss Mustangs were god damn sexy!

I have a feeling this makes thou a tad moist in the nether regions...

Not the Vega. Actually, it was an awful car, but could have been great if GM wasn't cheap and lazy...

[Nickdfresh]

That is sexy. I don't remember the Mustangs looking that good in the early 70's. They are expensive collectables now. That's a show car. Bugs wouldn't dare splat on the front of it.

The 'Stangs were hot cars, except when they stuffed a V-8 in a Pinto LMFAO!! I knew a guy that had one of those and was proud :D

[Nickdfresh]

A good example of why the Japanese were stealing the auto market from Detroit.

That's not totally true. If you took away the fact that the rear gastank exploded like a Hellfire missile fired from a drone during a rear end collision, the Pinto was actually a decently, cheap and reliable car. The Vega was just a fucking nightmare on every level...

[BITEYOASS]

Fuck Generic Motors. They should have gone out of business.

Or dissolved, seeing that GM is basically a merger of about ten car companies over the past 75+ years.

[ELVIS]

If you took away the fact that the rear gastank exploded like a Hellfire missile fired from a drone during a rear end collision

That's a myth, dumbass...

[twonabomber]

People should know how to handle a car if the engine cuts out. You lose power assist but you still can control the car. The problem is the watered down drivers training we have. People aren't trained how to deal with it and they don't know what to do. We had a neighbor who's accelerator stuck. It was a Ford Explorer and it was an electrical defect. Instead of just turning off the ignition switch and maybe using the emergency brake to stop. She paniced and dodged cars and the only thing she could think of to stop was to drive into a fence.


So shut off the ignition in a panic, possibly to the off position, so the steering wheel locks when turned too far? Don't start teaching driver's ed... :D

[Coyote]

I like the Z cars. Of course, I'd have put a big block in them.

Like this guy, I presume...

[Nickdfresh]

That's a myth, dumbass...

Really, fruitypants? You have anything to back that up?

[Nickdfresh]

So shut off the ignition in a panic, possibly to the off position, so the steering wheel locks when turned too far? Don't start teaching driver's ed... :D

Not too mention the airbags that won't deploy...

[Nickdfresh]

Incidentally, on the Pinto: there's a Buffalo Bills fan that drives one to all the games he can on the Eastern Seaboard who has an absurd amount of miles on the thing and averages well over 30 mile per gallon in it. He only drives it on the football weekends. Yeah, they were actually good cars. Another few dollars to properly seal the tanks, they were as good as any of the Honda or Toyota econoboxes...

[Nickdfresh]

That's a myth, dumbass...

Okay Elvis, after reviewing Wiki, you got me and you are correct. I've always been a dumbass :)

[ELVIS]

Really, fruitypants? You have anything to back that up?

Just google it...

I've been reading that story on and off for years...

FORD was found not to be guilty of anything with the Pinto, BTW...

Something like 27 or 29 people died in rear end Pinto crashes by the late 70's...

But that's literally out of millions of cars...

[ELVIS]

Here's a Link (http://www.pointoflaw.com/articles/archives/000023.php) to an interesting read...

The Myth of the Ford Pinto Case

Gary T. Schwartz (1991)

The case of the Ford Pinto, and its alleged tendency to explode in rear-end collisions, provided the occasion for what is universally hailed as our product liability system's finest triumph. Everyone knows that Ford engineers realized the car was defective but decided (in a smoking-gun memo unearthed by trial lawyers) that it would be cheaper to pay off death claims than to change the design. There’s just one problem: what "everyone knows" turns out to be false.


:elvis:

[ELVIS]

I've always been a dumbass :)

You found that out through Wiki ??


:biggrin:

[Nickdfresh]

You found that out through Wiki ??


:biggrin:

Yeah, they linked everything you did...

The Pinto was almost a great economy car...

[ELVIS]

It was no worse than any of the 2nd generation subcompacts at the time...

In fact, the Pinto was statistically safer than most of the competition at the time, especially Datsun...

It was 60 minutes, Ralph Nader and the media that created the myth and the hype...

[Kristy]

Bad. Ass.

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