Antarctic Sea Ice Coverage Continues To Break Records

[ELVIS]

Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2014/05/12/global-cooling-antarctic-sea-ice-coverage-continues-to-break-records/)

Someone let Al Gore know the South Pole isn’t melting. Antarctic sea ice coverage reached record levels for April, hitting 3.5 million square miles — the largest on record.

http://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/2014-01-04T215329Z_1_CBREA031OT800_RTROPTP_4_ANTARCTICA-SHIP-RESCUE-e1399928039544.jpg

It was a cold summer down in Antarctica, with sea ice coverage growing about 43,500 square miles a day, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSDC). April 2014 beats the previous sea-ice coverage record from April 2008 by a whopping 124,000 square miles.

But even with autumn in full swing in the South Pole, “record levels continue to be set in early May,” reports the NSDC. Sea ice levels have been “significantly above” satellite data averages for 16 consecutive months.

The most pronounced growth in sea-ice coverage is in the eastern Weddell Sea and areas south of Australia and along the southeastern Indian Ocean, according to NSDC. And temperatures in the Weddell Sea region have been 1 to 2 degrees Celsius below the 1981 to 2010 average during March and April. Similar cooling trends have lowered average temperatures along the southern Indian Ocean by 2 to 3 degrees Celsius.

“However, across much of the far Southern Hemisphere, temperatures have been above average: For example, in the southern Antarctic Peninsula, temperatures have been 1 to 2 degrees Celsius (2 to 4 degrees Fahrenheit) above average; in the southern South Pacific, temperatures have been 1.5 to 2.5 degrees Celsius (3 to 4 degrees Fahrenheit) above average, and up to 4 degrees Celsius (7 degrees Fahrenheit) above average in the area near the South Pole,” NSDC notes.

Antarctica has seen huge sea-ice growth throughout this year and last, which caught many climate scientists by surprise — some more literally than others.

In late December, a group of tourists and climate scientists got caught in Antarctic ice pack about 1,500 miles south of Tasmania. The expedition sought to document how global warming has changed the region in the last century, but instead made world headlines for getting stuck in record levels of ice.

“We’re stuck in our own experiment,” the Australasian Antarctic Expedition said in a statement. “We came to Antarctica to study how one of the biggest icebergs in the world has altered the system by trapping ice.”


The expedition was eventually rescued by helicopter and brought back to Australia. To make a bad trip worse, the ice breaker that rescued the expeditionaries also got stuck in some ice on its way back.

But while eastern areas of Antarctica are growing rapidly, scientists are warning that the continent’s western ice sheet has begun to collapse.

“Today we present observational evidence that the [ice sheet] has gone into irreversible retreat,” said Eric Rignot, the lead author of a study claiming the ice sheet was collapsing. “It has reached the point of no return.”

Rignot told reporters at a press conference hosted by NASA that the slow collapse of the glacier could raise sea levels between 10 and 13 feet.

[vandeleur]

Fuck me , did you read ALL of that article or just the bit that suited your purpose ? Honest question

[ELVIS]

You mean the temperature variations ??

[Seshmeister]

You are a lunatic. :)

[ELVIS]

I know you are, but what am I...

[Jesus Christ]

What do ye have against penguins, Gregory? And why do ye want them to lose the home that Dad and I created for them?

[ELVIS]

Here we go with faux agenda jesus...:rolleyes:

[Jesus Christ]

I hath had the same "agenda" for 2000 years. Nothing about that has changed. :jesuslol:

[vandeleur]

New scientist article

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25556-collapse-of-antarctic-glaciers-seems-to-be-unstoppable.html#.U3JLeYu9LCQ

Parts of the West Antarctic ice sheet are already collapsing and probably can't be saved. Two independent studies suggest that several glaciers have gone past the point of no return, dooming them to fall into the sea and cause several metres of sea level rise. However the collapse will take centuries.

"A large sector of the West Antarctic ice sheet has gone into irreversible retreat," says Eric Rignot of the University of California at Irvine, who led one of the studies. "We've gone beyond the point of no return."

A study led by Ian Joughin of the University of Washington in Seattle focuses on the Thwaites glacier, a key component of the West Antarctic ice sheet (WAIS). It predicts that the glacier will collapse completely within 200 to 1000 years, raising global sea levels by about 60 centimetres.

But because the Thwaites glacier keeps much of the rest of the WAIS in check, its disappearance could destabilise the entire sheet, releasing enough ice to raise sea levels by a further 3 to 4 metres.

Shrinking ice
Joughin and his colleagues used radar images from the air to accurately map the rocks beneath the Thwaites glacier. This enabled them to map the receding "grounding line", the point at which a glacier rests on open water rather than on rock. The deeper the grounding line penetrates inland, the more ice is supported by water alone, and the likelier it is to collapse and melt.

Using this information, they modelled the glacier's likely fate over the coming centuries, and projected that a rapid collapse will begin between 200 and 900 years in the future. Once under way, the collapse would cause sea levels to rise by at least 10 centimetres per century.

"The bad news is that such a collapse may be inevitable," says Joughin. The only uncertainty is over how fast the collapse will happen.

All in retreat
The other study, led by Rignot, tracked the retreats between 1992 and 2011 of the Thwaites glacier, the Pine Island Glacier and the Smith-Kohler glacier system. The results of both studies tally.

Rignot and his colleagues used radar interferometry measurements from satellites to track the retreats of the grounding lines of the glaciers.

Measured at their centres, the Thwaites glacier had retreated 14 kilometres, the Pine Island glacier by 31 kilometres, and the Smith-Kohler glacier system by 35 kilometres.

"The grounding line has been retreating at record speeds unseen anywhere else in the Antarctic," says Rignot.

No stopping it
Both studies found that there are no obstacles further inland, such as rocky outcrops, that could halt the retreats. "There's no barrier to stop it," says Rignot.

For that reason, Joughin says the Thwaites glacier is probably doomed. "It looks like all the feedbacks tend to point towards it actually accelerating over time, as there's no stabilising mechanism we can see," he says.

According to Rignot, the same is true for all the glaciers in the area, except the relatively small Haynes glacier. "Even if the ocean was not warming up, it's now a chain reaction that's unstoppable," he says.

"The only thing that would stop it is a mountain where glaciers would have to climb uphill," adds Rignot. "We are fairly confident there's no such hill or mountain."

[Kristy]

You are a lunatic. :)


Correction, Sesh. He is a chronically unemployed lunatic.

[Nitro Express]

The warming causes the cooling. Keep your beer cold in your oven.

[Zing!]

The warming causes the cooling. Keep your beer cold in your oven.

If Fox News told their audience that, there would be people out there broiling their PBRs.

[Kristy]

They already are
http://www.foodiggity.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/hipsters-beer.png

[ELVIS]

New scientist article

It predicts that the glacier will collapse completely within 200 to 1000 years, raising global sea levels by about 60 centimetres.



Hahahaha...

Let's panache and pay the fraudulent carbon tax and maybe it won't happen...:biggrin:

[vandeleur]

Congrats on at least reading most of this post and kudos for the use of panache :D

[jacksmar]

“global climate disruption”

...................................still a Marxist goal with a green wrapper.........................

[Nickdfresh]

I know you are, but what am I...

A looneyhick!

[Nickdfresh]

A looneyhick!

Or dumbasafuckingbrick!

[Kristy]

“global climate disruption”

...................................still a Marxist goal with a green wrapper.........................

Oh, do shut the fuck up. You have no idea what Marxism is.

[vandeleur]

Oh, do shut the fuck up. You have no idea what Marxism is.

is it this ?

"I've had a perfectly wonderful evening. But this wasn't it"

[Nitro Express]

“global climate disruption”

...................................still a Marxist goal with a green wrapper.........................

There are no corporations involved with Marxism. You mean a Fascist goal with a green wrapper. With Marxism everything is owned by the state. With fascism corporations and the state work together to form a tyranny. A good example would be Nazi Germany. You had an authoritarian state but you had corporations working with it. Marxism would be the Soviet Union where there were no corporations or private companies. Everything was state owned.

[ELVIS]

Well, whatever it's called, we're rapidly approaching Nazi Germany...

[FORD]

I'd say what the US is turning into is a blend of Hitler & Mussolini's fascism with a little Stalin totalitarianism thrown in, especially with the destruction of the electoral system.

But that's not all that surprising, considering most of the damage that was done to this country came from the Hitler funding BCE and the Stalin funded KKKoch Brothers.

Adolf and Joe are having a good time down in Hell laughing at all of us. Il Douche too........

[lesfunk]

Fascism is ghey

[Seshmeister]

I know you are, but what am I...

Doomed?


http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/blogannath/Louisiana.gif

[lesfunk]

A word to Elvis. MOVE TO SHREVEPORT

[vandeleur]

Elvis water wings :)

[Nitro Express]

Doomed?


http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/blogannath/Louisiana.gif

If this is true how come our president hasn't used his phone and pen and started a multi-billion dollar project through the Department of Energy to get us off oil? Because it's alarmist bullshit.

How much of the alarmist bullshit ever comes true? I think you need to worry more about riding in an automobile or slipping in the shower.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

A word to Elvis. MOVE TO SHREVEPORT

kid rock likes jackson ;)

[Nitro Express]

Well, whatever it's called, we're rapidly approaching Nazi Germany...

Ah they waited too long. Nobody in Washington is popular enough to lead the jack booted cause. The cat is out of the bag. Three years ago I was wondering why people weren't pissed off. They should have been pissed off a long time ago. They are pretty pissed off now. Finally.

But fear pornographers like Glenn Beck and Alex Jones make a lucrative living selling the George Orwell story. There might be some truth to it but take it with a 50lb bag of salt.

Always follow the money. Always ask who benefits and never get emotional. That's what all these cocksuckers do. Play with people's emotions and if you are above that little trick, they can't manipulate you. Why do you think there is all this news coverage on gays, racism, abortion, gun control and such. They are emotional topics. They get the masses stirred. Don't fall for it. Stay calm and look for the pickpockets.

[Nitro Express]

kid rock likes jackson ;)

Jesse Jackson?

[PETE'S BROTHER]

jesse jackson missiisssissippipi

[Nitro Express]

Fascism is ghey

American fascism is. Where is the cool marching music and the cool uniforms? Hell you can't even beat anyone down or burn their shop in this country without getting in trouble. You only can rob the jews if they say nasty things about blacks and own a NBA franchise.

[Nitro Express]

jesse jackson missiisssissippipi

Eating poon down by the river smiling like a possum.

[Seshmeister]

If this is true how come our president hasn't used his phone and pen and started a multi-billion dollar project through the Department of Energy to get us off oil? Because it's alarmist bullshit.

How much of the alarmist bullshit ever comes true? I think you need to worry more about riding in an automobile or slipping in the shower.

You're the guy that has made around 24600 posts saying that banks and corporate interests run the US and now suddenly you think Black Jesus can sort this out?

[ELVIS]

Because it's alarmist bullshit.



Amen...

[ELVIS]

kid rock likes jackson ;)

MSNewsNow.com - Jackson, MS

[ELVIS]

Black Jesus can sort this out?


http://www.msnewsnow.com/story/24970962/your-turn-kenneth-stokes-responds?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=9944072


:biggrin:

[FORD]

If this is true how come our president hasn't used his phone and pen and started a multi-billion dollar project through the Department of Energy to get us off oil?



Because if he did, the KKKochwhore senators from Louisiana would vote AGAINST it. Even the one who claims to be a "Democrat".

There absolutely should be an infrastructure project of FDR era proportions in this country right now, both to bring this country into the 21st century AND to create living wage American jobs (with a stipulation that ONLY American made parts and materials would be used in such a project).

But with these obstructionist assholes in Congress, it's not going to happen. Barry's original Stimulus bill contained some (but not nearly enough) infrastructure building, but the obstructionist Repukes took it out of the bill.

[ELVIS]

This guy's a riot...

[ELVIS]

There absolutely should be an infrastructure project of FDR era proportions in this country right now, both to bring this country into the 21st century AND to create living wage American jobs (with a stipulation that ONLY American made parts and materials would be used in such a project).



That's worth a laugh...

[FORD]

That's worth a laugh...

You weren't laughing when Piyush used Federal money to fix the levees and the Huey Long bridge.

[ELVIS]

That had nothing to do with a lack of carbon tax revenue...

[Seshmeister]

I've seen it said that conspiracy theorists only like the conspiracies that are a bit niche so that they can feel they have some special knowledge, semi secret information.

It's a good explanation for the way that people ignore the out in the open blatant fucking 'conspiracies'.

http://priceofoil.org/fossil-fuel-industry-influence-in-the-u-s/

Fossil Fuel Funding to Congress: Industry influence in the U.S.

http://priceofoil.org/content/uploads/2012/01/big-oil-5-300x279.jpg

For information on how much YOUR Representatives, and the current Congress are taking from the fossil fuel industry, be sure to visit DirtyEnergyMoney.com

What if you were in Vegas, and a friend told you there was a slot machine in the corner that was giving out $59 for every $1 that was put in? You’d think the machine was broken, and that it was rigged.

What if an investment advisor told you that he could get you $59 back for every $1 you gave him? That’s a 5800% rate of return. Even Bernie Madoff only promised 10.5%. Obviously a scam, right?

Clearly this is a scam, but if you’re the oil, gas and coal industry, it’s legal and business as usual in Washington. For every $1 the industry spends on campaign contributions and lobbying in DC, it gets back $59 in subsidies.

Here’s how it works:

Amount the fossil fuel industry spent during the 111th Congress (2009 & 2010) on contributions to Congress’ campaigns: $25,794,747

Oil and Gas lobbying total 2009: $175,454,820

Oil and Gas lobbying total 2010 : $146,032,543

TOTAL amount spent by Big Fossil in 111th Congress: $347,282,110 ($347 million and change)

2009 amount given to fossils in federal subsidies: $8,910,440,000 ($8.9 billion)

2010 amount given to fossils in federal subsidies: $11,578,900,000 ($11.5 billion)

TOTAL amount given to fossils during 111th Congress: $20,489,340,000

(Source for subsidies is the international government funded Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development – OECD. Original available here and broken out by US Federal totals here. More details on fossil fuel subsidies available here.)

Divide total subsidies by total money spent by the industry and you get 59.

$1 in. $59 out. That’s a 5800% return on political investment. Not bad.

[Seshmeister]

http://www.rtcc.org/2012/01/30/us-oil-lobby-outspends-green-movement-by-factor-of-five/

US Oil lobby outspends green movement by factor of five
Last updated on 13 February 2012, 3:13 pm

By John Parnell

Lobbyists backing US oil and gas interests outspent their environmental counterparts by a factor of five during a two-year, non-election period.

The data from MapLight, shows that oil and gas companies donated $15,078,146 to Republican Senators and members of congress.

Environmental groups meanwhile, donated $2,847,072 to Democrat Senators and members of congress.

The recent Keystone XL pipeline decision highlighted the extent linkages between the industry and individual political issues.

Koch Industries, one of the largest importers of Canadian oil, would stand to benefit greatly from the pipelines construction. The company donated 10% of the total oil and gas funding to republicans during this two-year period.

Writing in The Guardian recently, anti-Keystone campaign chief Bill McKibben pointed out the link between votes and financing from the fossil fuel lobby.

“Congress decided it wanted to take up the question. Within days, and after only a couple of hours of hearings that barely mentioned the key scientific questions or the dangers involved, the House of Representatives voted 234-194 to force a quicker review of the pipeline,” wrote McKibben.

“As important as the vote total in the House, however, was another number: within minutes of the vote, Oil Change International had calculated that the 234 congressional representatives who voted aye had received $42m in campaign contributions from the fossil-fuel industry; the 193 nays, $8m.”

Climate scientists have also been under financial pressure with sceptic groups pursing legal action to gain access to private emails.

The Climate Science Legal Defense Fund has been established to provide legal representation to scientists battling such claims. The fund had raised $25,000 at the time of launch earlier this month.

A running theme during election campaigns in the US is campaign finance. Donations are charted by the press as a metric for a campaign’s relative success.

This year’s election is the first since the Supreme Court removed the cap on donations.

So-called Super PACs (Political Action Committees) can make unlimited donations on the condition that they do not liaise directly the candidates they support.

The rule has been mocked by US satirist Stephen Colbert who ran in the South Carolina primary.

Having set-up a regular, PAC last year in his own name, he was able to hand-off ownership to fellow comedian Jon Stewart as a Super PAC called “The definitely not coordinating with Stephen Colbert Super PAC”.

Election spending doubled from 2004 to 2008. Current projections show that spending on TV adverts will rise by 80% compared to 2012.

[Kristy]

Elvis water wings :)

Just to think all that white trash Louisiana beach front property gone.

[Seshmeister]

http://theaccidentalextremist.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/elvis_underwater.jpg

....:D

[kwame k]

Because an opinion out weighs 97% of the scientists!

Clean air, clean water and healthy food are just propaganda that the hippie liberals keep shoving down our throats, using all that fancy science talk and stuff ;)

All you have to do is run a couple of well designed 30 second TV ads and the microwave masses will buy anything!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjuGCJJUGsg

[jacksmar]

Oh, do shut the fuck up. You have no idea what Marxism is.

why are you still here..............



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6D04os9c8k


The Kenyan Houseboy is a cheap imitation of a real Marxist, granted. He's proved he's dumber than Putin. Kind of a pot smokers Marxist.

kristy, you are the perfect example of the truly pathetic hubris that voted for the halfrican. Funny and pathetic how it takes a Cuban immigrant to tell Americans what freedom and government suppression is about.

[ELVIS]

Fossil fuels is another myth...

[ELVIS]

Halfrican...:biggrin:

But he's not even halfrican...

His daddy was born in Kansas...

[jacksmar]

Just to think all that white trash Louisiana beach front property gone.


kristy,

What should you give a woman who has everything?
A man to show her how to work it.

[kwame k]

Fossil fuels is another myth...

Has to be......the Earth is only 6,000 years old, I read that in the bible :yo:

[ELVIS]

No you didn't...

[kwame k]

Yes I did!

[Kristy]

kristy,

What should you give a woman who has everything?
A man to show her how to work it.


Ha! "Man" and "work" in the same sentence.


Even Nick would try to give a Wiki answer. You're just pathetic.

[Kristy]

Has to be......the Earth is only 6,000 years old, I read that in the bible :yo:

Was that before or after Jesus rode on dinosaurs?

[DONNIEP]

Was that before or after Jesus rode on dinosaurs?

Don't be silly. Dinosaurs weren't real.

[Kristy]

Assjacksmar definition of Marxism:

http://reghartt.ca/cineforum/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Marx-Brothers-Animal-Crackers_NRFPT_01.jpg

[kwame k]

Was that before or after Jesus rode on dinosaurs?


After.....when he rode into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday!

Whenever you see donkey in the Bible it's code for dinosaur.

[FORD]

After.....when he rode into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday!

Whenever you see donkey in the Bible it's code for dinosaur.

Verily, it's true! I have proof......

http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/x/www.dailydawdle.com/images.dailydawdle.com/jesus-dinosaur2.jpg.pagespeed.ce.jl3c9N1V8S.jpg

[DONNIEP]

Verily, it's true! I have proof......

http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/x/www.dailydawdle.com/images.dailydawdle.com/jesus-dinosaur2.jpg.pagespeed.ce.jl3c9N1V8S.jpg

Blasphemer!! You just wait 'til Jesus gets here!

[FORD]

Blasphemer!! You just wait 'til Jesus gets here!

Who do you think sent me the picture? :biggrin:

[kwame k]

Verily, it's true! I have proof......

http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/x/www.dailydawdle.com/images.dailydawdle.com/jesus-dinosaur2.jpg.pagespeed.ce.jl3c9N1V8S.jpg

Ha! See, E........photographic evidence!

[kwame k]

Who do you think sent me the picture? :biggrin:

Next time you talk to him, remind him he's not answering my prayers, again!

[jacksmar]

Ha! "Man" and "work" in the same sentence.


Even Nick would try to give a Wiki answer. You're just pathetic.

Why don't women need drivers licenses?
Because there's no road between the kitchen and the bedroom!

[jacksmar]

Assjacksmar definition of Marxism:

http://reghartt.ca/cineforum/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Marx-Brothers-Animal-Crackers_NRFPT_01.jpg


for kristy,





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNCIEPTYoRo

[Kristy]

So, that's the best you can do, Asscrack? No attempt at a dissertation arguments against Marx's political theories for successful living as an applied economic science? No arguments on the economic growth to the problem(s) of self-development for people and (social) classes without economic, social, and cultural advantages like your and Smellvis' F A T asses? No say in the bearing of Marx's equilibrium models upon cooperation and compromise? None of your usual pissin' on about nothing when it comes to Marx's economic sociology with the focus upon the shift of major industrialization under the guise of capitalism? Yeah good ol' capitalism, you know what you F A T Rethug fucks think of that? Oh, that's right, no social or legal limits to the working day; the production of product is more important than the worker's health and quality of life? Where compulsory labor only leads to heath problems and in most cases, an early death?

Again, you have no fucking idea what Marxism is. So do shut the fuck up.

[DONNIEP]

So, that's the best you can do, Asscrack? No attempt at a dissertation arguments against Marx's political theories for successful living as an applied economic science? No arguments on the economic growth to the problem(s) of self-development for people and (social) classes without economic, social, and cultural advantages like your and Smellvis' F A T asses? No say in the bearing of Marx's equilibrium models upon cooperation and compromise? None of your usual pissin' on about nothing when it comes to Marx's economic sociology with the focus upon the shift of major industrialization under the guise of capitalism? Yeah good ol' capitalism, you know what you F A T Rethug fucks think of that? Oh, that's right, no social or legal limits to the working day; the production of product is more important than the worker's health and quality of life? Where compulsory labor only leads to heath problems and in most cases, an early death?

Again, you have no fucking idea what Marxism is. So do shut the fuck up.

I don't have any idea what all those words mean, but I do love it when you talk like that.

[ashstralia]

Me too, bet she's got an earnest little chipmunk voice...
:biggrin:

[cadaverdog]

You people need to get another hobby. If shit's gonna happen it's gonna happen. There's not a damn thing you can do about it. A wise man once told me never worry about things you can't do anything about.

[DONNIEP]

Me too, bet she's got an earnest little chipmunk voice...
:biggrin:

Well, I didn't have a boner until you said that...

[Kristy]

You people need to get another hobby. If shit's gonna happen it's gonna happen. There's not a damn thing you can do about it. A wise man once told me never worry about things you can't do anything about.

Shut the fuck up.

[ashstralia]

Well, I didn't have a boner until you said that...

Heheheh....

[Nitro Express]

So, that's the best you can do, Asscrack? No attempt at a dissertation arguments against Marx's political theories for successful living as an applied economic science? No arguments on the economic growth to the problem(s) of self-development for people and (social) classes without economic, social, and cultural advantages like your and Smellvis' F A T asses? No say in the bearing of Marx's equilibrium models upon cooperation and compromise? None of your usual pissin' on about nothing when it comes to Marx's economic sociology with the focus upon the shift of major industrialization under the guise of capitalism? Yeah good ol' capitalism, you know what you F A T Rethug fucks think of that? Oh, that's right, no social or legal limits to the working day; the production of product is more important than the worker's health and quality of life? Where compulsory labor only leads to heath problems and in most cases, an early death?

Again, you have no fucking idea what Marxism is. So do shut the fuck up.

Reminds me of the orientation we got in Leningrad in 1978. If you think North Korea is better I will pay for your airfare.

[Nitro Express]

You people need to get another hobby. If shit's gonna happen it's gonna happen. There's not a damn thing you can do about it. A wise man once told me never worry about things you can't do anything about.

People love to worry. They love to be scared. A liberal version of Alex Jones could make a killing with this audience.

[Kristy]

Reminds me of the orientation we got in Leningrad in 1978. If you think North Korea is better I will pay for your airfare.

Congratulations! You have become more tedious than Smellvis. Your prize? Bitch-slapping yourself into some sort of a a reality.

[jacksmar]

Marxism is the claim that industrialization would eventually lead to the collapse of the capitalist system of private property.

What does a a woman and a bowling ball have in common?
They're both picked up, fingered, then rolled in the gutter.

Marxism has been dumbed down to mean any attempt to share the wealth.


What do you call an anorexic girl with a yeast infection?
A quarter pounder with cheese

I've also pointed out that enforcing economic equality is the basic tenet of socialism, of which Marxism is a subset.

Why can't Helen Keller drive a car?
Because she's a woman.

[Kristy]

Took you that long to Google your half-assed answers? Go fuck yourself. Idiot.

[DONNIEP]

Who gives two shits what Marxism is?? I wanna see Kristy naked!!

[Kristy]

The Asscracksmar/Nick theme song:

[cadaverdog]

You're all wrong a Marxism is a quote from Groucho. "I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member" That's a Marxism. Do I have to look up everything for you people?

[Nickdfresh]

Fossil fuels is another myth...

Right! It's actually all Jesus-powerl!

[Nickdfresh]

So, that's the best you can do, Asscrack? No attempt at a dissertation arguments against Marx's political theories for successful living as an applied economic science? No arguments on the economic growth to the problem(s) of self-development for people and (social) classes without economic, social, and cultural advantages like your and Smellvis' F A T asses? No say in the bearing of Marx's equilibrium models upon cooperation and compromise? None of your usual pissin' on about nothing when it comes to Marx's economic sociology with the focus upon the shift of major industrialization under the guise of capitalism? Yeah good ol' capitalism, you know what you F A T Rethug fucks think of that? Oh, that's right, no social or legal limits to the working day; the production of product is more important than the worker's health and quality of life? Where compulsory labor only leads to heath problems and in most cases, an early death?

Again, you have no fucking idea what Marxism is. So do shut the fuck up.

Did you Wiki all that? And try to use less syllables when addressing jacksoffboys...

[Seshmeister]

Fossil fuels is another myth...

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTDKpoN_JJ-3UvT43kC7Ke2ipkghPU2A3CquYidKQS0JHuFcuNr

[Seshmeister]

Because an opinion out weighs 97% of the scientists!

Clean air, clean water and healthy food are just propaganda that the hippie liberals keep shoving down our throats, using all that fancy science talk and stuff ;)

All you have to do is run a couple of well designed 30 second TV ads and the microwave masses will buy anything!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjuGCJJUGsg




Coming soon ELVIS starts a thread saying owls don't exist. :D

[jacksmar]

The Asscracksmar/Nick theme song:


as i've stated before, goggle is for people that don't know how to use the interweb.

[jacksmar]

Did you Wiki all that? And try to use less syllables when addressing jacksoffboys...

congrats on the promotion, professor.

super

moderator


in physics class, a moderator was used to slow things down.............



so a super............ moderator.................




btw, love the cracked mag profile pic.............

[binnie]

Whenever I see posts comparing 21st century America to Nazi Germany or Stallinist Russia, the immediate sense of anger I feel at the trite nature of the comparison and the massive dis-service to history is perpetuates is radically overcome by a howl of laughter that biting, savage nature of the irony that said indictment of the US government/state is post on the internet: the most democratic and open means of communication the world has ever known.

When the government does the following:

- blocks internet access and privately owned media
- rounds up political opponents and either murders or imprisons them
- creates a racial 'other' against which all of the hatred in the country is levelled to unify the Master Race
- invades Poland

then, and only then can you make those comparisons.

Until then, what you're really saying is: 'I don't agree with this thing that my government is doing because it impinges on the poorly-defined sense of freedom that I have'. You are the most free people in history.

[Kristy]

Did you Wiki all that? And try to use less syllables when addressing jacksoffboys...

Go back to chasing parked cars.

[Kristy]

Marxism is the claim that industrialization would eventually lead to the collapse of the capitalist system of private property.

Wrong, fuckface. Marxism is the theoretical construct that capitalism exploits the working class. Look at Henry Ford, he was both a industrialist and a capitalist who believed in equal pay and private property. Marx had postulated that the struggle for personal livelihood was a chief concern among wage earners during the initial stage of industrialization. In other words, you fucking Nazi, Marx held to the adage that man does not live by bread alone but that he must live on sufficient bread in order to live at all. Kinds of puts your warped ideology on capitalist systems like Walmart who pay the worker little to survive on at all in a whole new perspective does it not!?




Marxism has been dumbed down to mean any attempt to share the wealth.
Strike two, fuckface. Marxism is has been distorted by capitalist who place Marx's quantitative economic consideration of the necessity biologic needs are forced upon society and quickly satiated. In other words, the rich only look out for themselves and cry foul when they soon realize nothing they do in life does not come with a price. Example? The Koch Brothers who rape the earth for personal gain and have no qualms in the damage they do to others in the process. Again, it's not about sharing any wealth, it's about exploiting the poor, the uneducated, the disenfranchised. You know, people like you and Smellvis who are the ones "dumbed down" who believe that a captilist system hold your best interests in heart.



I've also pointed out that enforcing economic equality is the basic tenet of socialism, of which Marxism is a subset.
Strike three. Marxism is a subset of the teachings of Georg Hegel and Engles who said:
The economic situation is a basis, but the various elements of the superstructure...also exercise their influence upon the course of historical struggles and in many cases, preponderate in determining their form. There is an interaction of all these element in which...the economic movement finally assets itself as necessity..."

Hardly socialism.

Dumbass.

[fraroc]

Whenever I see posts comparing 21st century America to Nazi Germany or Stallinist Russia, the immediate sense of anger I feel at the trite nature of the comparison and the massive dis-service to history is perpetuates is radically overcome by a howl of laughter that biting, savage nature of the irony that said indictment of the US government/state is post on the internet: the most democratic and open means of communication the world has ever known.

When the government does the following:

- blocks internet access and privately owned media
- rounds up political opponents and either murders or imprisons them
- creates a racial 'other' against which all of the hatred in the country is levelled to unify the Master Race
- invades Poland

then, and only then can you make those comparisons.

Until then, what you're really saying is: 'I don't agree with this thing that my government is doing because it impinges on the poorly-defined sense of freedom that I have'. You are the most free people in history.

I agree with you. I feel that despite the fact that we have fucking Christian fundie fucktards in politics that basically wipe their ass with the constitution and say "'Murica is a Christian nation", we are a lot more free than what we like to believe. Go look at North Korea, THAT is what REAL totalitarianism is.

[DONNIEP]

Hahahaha....God, Gubment, Gays, Guns...oh yeah, you're in the right place...

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Hahahaha....God, Gubment, Gays, Guns...oh yeah, you're in the right place...

and google...

[DONNIEP]

and google...

Well, google is Devilly. So it fits under the God category. And the Gubment category too, since it's really just another Gubment tool to spy on God fearin' men and women in the privacy of their homes.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

word :baaa:

[DONNIEP]

Now, Brother Elvis is gonna pass around the offerin' hat. Do generositize it!

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Now, Brother Elvis is gonna pass around the offerin' hat. Do generositize it!

usin' them big kristy words, eh?

[DONNIEP]

usin' them big kristy words, eh?

Hell yes I am. I have to make up most of 'em because I have google blocked in my house.

Ok, is it time to move on to the never ending Gay argument? And no, I'm not talking about Von's "eccentricities".

[Kristy]

Google blocked? Is that like internet cock blocking?

Don't worry about Smellvis. He'll be around once he's done his work of "collecting" all the aluminum cans in his trailer park.

[Nitro Express]

Hell yes I am. I have to make up most of 'em because I have google blocked in my house.

Ok, is it time to move on to the never ending Gay argument? And no, I'm not talking about Von's "eccentricities".

Hey just because Von likes to oil wrestle Ziggy to "Dreams" and "When Love Walks In" does no make him a bad guy. He's still a human being.

[Nitro Express]

The current state of the US is the result of a few generations having it good, getting complacent, and being distracted by entertainment. With Bubba distracted the corporate gangsters took advantage and the robber barons are in charge. We went through a similar thing a century ago. The thing is we didn't have a big military to bully people with as much back then. Oh we might have stolen Hawaii and a few things but the geopolitical abuse was less.

We made things more equal over the years. We got the slaves off the plantation. Now everyone is a slave unless you are in the top 1%.

[FORD]

Well, google is Devilly. So it fits under the God category. And the Gubment category too, since it's really just another Gubment tool to spy on God fearin' men and women in the privacy of their homes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K_xZcjsVuw

[Nitro Express]

You can have a Marxist system or a capitalist system and what happens in the end is a few people at the top end up running the whole show. Capitalism unchecked becomes an oligarchy in the end. It's why you need a democratic republic government to keep the markets fair. Since human beings tend to be greedy son of a bitches and are far from perfect, there is no perfect system.

I've never seen a Marxist system better a capitalistic system with the proper government regulation. Communism just doesn't work. The central planning is usually a disaster and it always ends up going broke. You just don't have the incentive or drive in such a system. As the old soviet joke goes,"We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us."

What failed in the US was the citizens. They failed to keep their government in check and the government failed to keep the free markets fair. The oligarchs bought off the government because the government bought off the citizens. As long as everyone got their pork or welfare, nobody cared what the politicians did. People really do get the government they deserve. The citizens of the US achieved the rarity of having self-government and pissed it away. What a sorry bunch of pricks.

[Nitro Express]

Actually if I was a liberal I would live in Boulder, Colorado. I would do everything in my power to make sure global warming really happened because the rising ocean levels would put Florida and a good part of Texas underwater. Good buy Republicans! The Democrats would rule the US uncontested. Move to the high ground and let it happen.

[Kristy]

There are no genuine liberals living in Boulder, you moron.

http://urbanchristiannews.com/ucn/michelle-obama-UC-boulder-speech.jpg

All I ever see in that shithole are loads of progressive Rethuglicons.

[Nitro Express]

I guess there are no genuine liberals in Berkley either.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

There are no genuine liberals living in Boulder, you moron.

http://urbanchristiannews.com/ucn/michelle-obama-UC-boulder-speech.jpg

All I ever see in that shithole are loads of progressive Rethuglicons.

are you eating toast or smokin' weed in your av?

[Kristy]

Neither. I'm giving a mouse a blowjob.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Neither. I'm giving a mouse a blowjob.

i knew it! i was too scared to say it ;)

[PETE'S BROTHER]

is he peein' on ya a little bit?

[Kristy]

is he peein' on ya a little bit?

No, he saves that for your mother.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

No, he saves that for your mother.

can you send her home with some rec weed?

[Seshmeister]

Until then, what you're really saying is: 'I don't agree with this thing that my government is doing because it impinges on the poorly-defined sense of freedom that I have'. You are the most free people in history.

I guess it does depend on how you define freedom but I think there are quite a few countries which are more free than the US, just sayin'.

[binnie]

I guess it does depend on how you define freedom but I think there are quite a few countries which are more free than the US, just sayin'.

I was thinking about the West in general in the last sentence, but I take your point.

[binnie]

Neither. I'm giving a mouse a blowjob.

:D That raised a hearty chuckle in me.

'I'm gonna make you squeeeeak like a mousey!'

[cadaverdog]

If the Earth is millions of years old we don't have enough recorded history of the weather to say we're responsible for the weather now. If the ice age stories are true the Earth's been thawing out for centuries so it's bound to get warmer over a period of time. If we keep cutting down on pollution everything will be hunky dory until some nut case decides to start a nuclear war.

[ELVIS]

Like Obomba ??

[cadaverdog]

I guess it does depend on how you define freedom but I think there are quite a few countries which are more free than the US, just sayin'.
Can any of these free countries defend themselves if one of the no freedom countries decide to annex it? Freedom comes with a price tag. You have to be able to defend your freedom or someone's bound to take it from you sooner or later.

[kwame k]

If the Earth is millions of years old we don't have enough recorded history of the weather to say we're responsible for the weather now. If the ice age stories are true the Earth's been thawing out for centuries so it's bound to get warmer over a period of time. If we keep cutting down on pollution everything will be hunky dory until some nut case decides to start a nuclear war.

God, you're an idiot.......yes we can go back and tell what the weather patterns were like hundreds of thousands of years ago, you'd think for as much time as you spend on the interwebs you'd use that time to actually learn something!


Scientists can study Earth’s climate as far back as 800,000 years by drilling core samples from deep underneath the ice sheets of Greenland and Antarctica. Detailed information on air temperature and CO2 levels is trapped in these specimens. Current polar records show an intimate connection between atmospheric carbon dioxide and temperature in the natural world. In essence, when one goes up, the other one follows.


http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ice-core-data-help-solve/

[DONNIEP]

I'm all for global warming. Current studies indicate that if the polar ice caps all melted I'd be just a few miles from the beach.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

I'm all for global warming. Current studies indicate that if the polar ice caps all melted I'd be just a few miles from the beach.

utila is gonna sink tho :(

[DONNIEP]

utila is gonna sink tho :(

Ah, you can't win 'em all.

Did you know that if all the ice melted, the average temperature of the planet would be about 80 degrees? Year-round top down weather. And topless weather, too.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Ah, you can't win 'em all.

Did you know that if all the ice melted, the average temperature of the planet would be about 80 degrees? Year-round top down weather. And topless weather, too.

i would prefer 95

[jacksmar]

Wrong, fuckface. Marxism is the theoretical construct that capitalism exploits the working class. Look at Henry Ford, he was both a industrialist and a capitalist who believed in equal pay and private property. Marx had postulated that the struggle for personal livelihood was a chief concern among wage earners during the initial stage of industrialization. In other words, you fucking Nazi, Marx held to the adage that man does not live by bread alone but that he must live on sufficient bread in order to live at all. Kinds of puts your warped ideology on capitalist systems like Walmart who pay the worker little to survive on at all in a whole new perspective does it not!?




Strike two, fuckface. Marxism is has been distorted by capitalist who place Marx's quantitative economic consideration of the necessity biologic needs are forced upon society and quickly satiated. In other words, the rich only look out for themselves and cry foul when they soon realize nothing they do in life does not come with a price. Example? The Koch Brothers who rape the earth for personal gain and have no qualms in the damage they do to others in the process. Again, it's not about sharing any wealth, it's about exploiting the poor, the uneducated, the disenfranchised. You know, people like you and Smellvis who are the ones "dumbed down" who believe that a captilist system hold your best interests in heart.



Strike three. Marxism is a subset of the teachings of Georg Hegel and Engles who said:
The economic situation is a basis, but the various elements of the superstructure...also exercise their influence upon the course of historical struggles and in many cases, preponderate in determining their form. There is an interaction of all these element in which...the economic movement finally assets itself as necessity..."

Hardly socialism.

Dumbass.


I'm really sorry I didn't go original source and instead kept it simple for your drug addled mind.

so let me ask,,,,,,,,,,,, are the mods up for this?

https://sp1.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608049940566376819&pid=15.1

[Kristy]

I'm really sorry I didn't go original source and instead kept it simple for your drug addled mind.

How nice of you to embarrass yourself at my expense.

[jacksmar]

Go back to chasing parked cars.

nickdfresh is much smarter and more pointed in his responses and that really pisses you off.

nick doesn't need me to state that fact.


again why are you here??

[jacksmar]

How nice of you to embarrass yourself at my expense.

The first positive annulment of private property – crude communism – is thus merely a manifestation of the vileness of private property, which wants to set itself up as the positive community system.

Karl Marx
Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844

[Kristy]

nickdfresh is much smarter and more pointed in his responses and that really pisses you off.

nick doesn't need me to state that fact.


again why are you here??

So...you and Nick finally sleeping together? Is that what you are trying to tell me?

[Kristy]

The first positive annulment of private property – crude communism – is thus merely a manifestation of the vileness of private property, which wants to set itself up as the positive community system.

Karl Marx
Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844



Oh look at that! How adorable! Asscracksmar once again Googles what he doesn't understand and tries to pass it off as an argumentative stance. So cute!

[jacksmar]

So...you and Nick finally sleeping together? Is that what you are trying to tell me?

nickdfresh wouldn't give up a broke screwdriver for me in a trade. you can't comprehend simple context.



again, why are you here?


Atheism, as the denial of this unreality, has no longer any meaning, for atheism is a negation of God, and postulates the existence of man through this negation; but socialism as socialism no longer stands in any need of such a mediation. It proceeds from the theoretically and practically sensuous consciousness of man and of nature as the essence. Socialism is man’s positive self-consciousness, no longer mediated through the abolition of religion, just as real life is man’s positive reality, no longer mediated through the abolition of private property, through communism. Communism is the position as the negation of the negation, and is hence the actual phase necessary for the next stage of historical development in the process of human emancipation and rehabilitation. Communism is the necessary form and the dynamic principle of the immediate future, but communism as such is not the goal of human development, the form of human society.

Karl Marx
Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844

[Kristy]

nickdfresh wouldn't give up a broke screwdriver for me in a trade. you can't comprehend simple context.

So you are gay.


again, why are you here?


That is so cute. To know that you are a perpetual fucking idiot who still won't come out of closet and admit to himself (and others) what you truly are.

[Nickdfresh]

Go back to chasing parked cars.

I take PCP just once, and I'll never live it down....

[Nickdfresh]

So...you and Nick finally sleeping together? Is that what you are trying to tell me?

You up for DP?

[Kristy]

Better check with your (new) boyfriend first.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

sea ice :019:

[Nickdfresh]

Better check with your (new) boyfriend first.



We're not that particular actually...

[jacksmar]

So you are gay.




That is so cute. To know that you are a perpetual fucking idiot who still won't come out of closet and admit to himself (and others) what you truly are.

blah blah ................... something about feelings............chicken sounds.......... mimimimimi................... i'm still staring at your tits............


kristy, enjoy the evening............... i'm off to senior beach bingo here the women wear as much makeup as a teenager and it's wet shawl night.....



mmmmmmmm............Barbarella ................

[Kristy]

Yep, definitely gay.

[Nickdfresh]

And now back to our thread, before Kristy and Jacks get a room with all that sexual tension!

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[cadaverdog]

God, you're an idiot.......yes we can go back and tell what the weather patterns were like hundreds of thousands of years ago,
And you're still an asshole. I only said it once so you shouldn't be offended. Asshole. Now you can be offended. Have a shitty day.

[kwame k]

And you're still an asshole. I only said it once so you shouldn't be offended. Asshole. Now you can be offended. Have a shitty day.

Poor little sissy boy can't handle when he gets called out on his ignorance.

How does it feel knowing you'll never learn or be any smarter than you are now :)

[PETE'S BROTHER]

How does it feel knowing you'll never learn or be any smarter than you are now :)

relieved

[PETE'S BROTHER]

:smoke2:

[cadaverdog]

Poor little sissy boy can't handle when he gets called out on his ignorance.

Did I hurt the little boys feelings? Are you done turning Bob's site into shit now? You must be because here you are talking out your ass as usual. I might not get any smarter but I know you won't get any dumber. You have a single digit I Q as it is. Actually it's a negative number but I'm in a good mood today.

[kwame k]

Ha! You preaching to me......the guy that has been banned from every site he's ever been to :lmao:

The C-Dog patented..........I know you are, what am I?

I love how you project your neurosis on to anyone who calls you out on your bullshit.

You're the dumb one that says, they have no evidence of weather patterns from the past and I prove to you they do and instead of debating or refuting what I have posted you devolve into name calling.

Remember, you were the piece of shit that started your usual tantrums at Bob' site while his mom was gravely ill!

You want to talk about shitting up a site, asshole.........how about the shit you said here to Angel?

You really want to go there?

The obvious answer is.....you have no clue what you're talking about and you have such thin skin that you go into martyr mode when anyone corrects your dumb ass assertions.:nuts:

[Kristy]

Poor little sissy boy can't handle when he gets called out on his ignorance.

How does it feel knowing you'll never learn or be any smarter than you are now :)

That's what his social worker has been telling him.

[cadaverdog]

Ha! You preaching to me......the guy that has been banned from every site he's ever been to :lmao:

The C-Dog patented..........I know you are, what am I?

I love how you project your neurosis on to anyone who calls you out on your bullshit.

You're the dumb one that says, they have no evidence of weather patterns from the past and I prove to you they do and instead of debating or refuting what I have posted you devolve into name calling.

Remember, you were the piece of shit that started your usual tantrums at Bob' site while his mom was gravely ill!

You want to talk about shitting up a site, asshole.........how about the shit you said here to Angel?

You really want to go there?

The obvious answer is.....you have no clue what you're talking about and you have such thin skin that you go into martyr mode when anyone corrects your dumb ass assertions.:nuts:
Will there ever be a day you don't whine about something I post? Doubtful. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

[cadaverdog]

You're the dumb one that says, they have no evidence of weather patterns from the past and I prove to you they do and instead of debating or refuting what I have posted you devolve into name calling.


You call me an idiot and then whine about me starting shit with you? :first:

[cadaverdog]

God, you're an idiot......

Here's your idea of debating something without name calling. :first:

[kwame k]

You call me an idiot and then whine about me starting shit with you? :first:

When you say stupid stuff like they have no records of climate from the past, when every 6th grader knows they do, yes you're an idiot.

You're not even as smart as a 6th grader........

Look at little sock fucker go with the trophy, don't let the meanies get you down :lmao:

[kwame k]

Here's your idea of debating something without name calling. :first:

Let's see.....you call me a cocksucker, an asshole, etc.

I called you, deservedly so, an idiot.

Plus, when you try and call someone a baby, you might what to check who runs off and blows up the owner's PM box with excessive messages crying like a school girl :yo:

I also like how you've completely glossed over the fact I was right about core samples and you shitting up every site you've ever been to. Denial just ain't a river in Egypt, socky :first:

[Nitro Express]

I'm all for global warming. Current studies indicate that if the polar ice caps all melted I'd be just a few miles from the beach.

Also what is underneath all that antarctic ice? The remains of a tropical rain forest. Gee. The climate has been changing for a long time. The earth isn't static, it's dynamic. Ah the way we are going we will nuke ourselves before climate change does us in.

[ELVIS]

That seems pretty obvious...

But it's laughable to see people rally around paying a so called carbon tax...

Or carbon ''trading", there's another joke...

It's a scam...

Volcanoes have been spewing Co2 into the atmosphere continuously since the beginning of time...

Climate science is in it's infancy, and on top of that, modern science is bought and paid for just like the rest of the corruption...

Then there's the chem trails polluting the soil and weather manipulation programs that are going on right above us...

You can't trust the BS...


:elvis:

[WACF]

Nitro and Elvis are right.

The History of the Earth has shown it has never not stopped changing.

I think on the world clock humans have existed only 3 seconds.

Carbon taxes are nothing more than a tax scheme..our Liberals love the idea...it keeps the enviros happy...and provides a lovely pot to dip into.

All Carbon taxes do is create a system where the richest company will still pollute!

The smallest companies that can not afford to pay will then be absorbed by the larger companies...why are we pushing for this?

The focus must remain on pollution...not Climate Change.

We must do better for the environment we live in...the focus should be on forcing governments to tighten regulations on polluting...not endorsing a smoke show fueled by user fees.

[WACF]

...forget to mention...do not forget the added Carbon Tax to our monthly expenses...we won't get away from it.

We will pay.

The best angle is still stronger regulations against polluting...keep it off a tax based penalty.

[ELVIS]

May, 16 2014

Research which heaped doubt on the rate of global warming was deliberately suppressed by scientists because it was “less than helpful” to their cause, it was claimed last night.Global Warming Policy Foundation (http://www.thegwpf.org/scientists-in-cover-up-of-damaging-climate-view/)

http://www.politicshome.com/timthumb.php?w=578&src=/images/Times_160514.jpg

In an echo of the infamous “Climategate” scandal at the University of East Anglia, one of the world’s top academic journals rejected the work of five experts after a reviewer privately denounced it as “harmful”.

Lennart Bengtsson, a research fellow at the University of Reading and one of the authors of the study, said he suspected that intolerance of dissenting views on climate science was preventing his paper from being published.

“The problem we now have in the climate community is that some scientists are mixing up their scientific role with that of a climate activist,” he added.

Professor Bengtsson’s paper challenged the finding of the UN’s Inter-governmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) that the global average temperature would rise by up to 4.5C if greenhouse gases in the atmosphere were allowed to double.

It suggested that the climate might be much less sensitive to greenhouse gases than had been claimed by the IPCC in its report last September, and recommended that more work be carried out “to reduce the underlying uncertainty”.

The five contributing scientists, from America and Sweden, submitted the paper to Environmental Research Letters, one of the most highly regarded journals, at the end of last year but were told in February that it had been rejected.

A scientist asked by the journal to assess the paper under the peer review process wrote that he strongly advised against publishing it because it was “less than helpful”.

The unnamed scientist concluded: “Actually it is harmful as it opens the door for oversimplified claims of ‘errors’ and worse from the climate sceptics media side.”

Professor Bengtsson resigned from the advisory board of Lord Lawson of Blaby’s climate sceptic think-tank this week after being subjected to what he described as McCarthy-style pressure from fellow academics.

Lord Lawson, the former Conservative chancellor, said that the pressure exerted by other climate scientists had been appalling and the comparison with McCarthyism was “fully warranted”.

The claims are a stark reminder of events at the University of East Anglia in 2009. Scientists there were accused of manipulating data and suppressing critics of global warming predictions in the run-up to the crucial Copenhagen climate change conference.

They were later cleared, though the IPCC was found to have misrepresented their research by failing to reflect uncertainties over raw temperature data. Professor Bengtsson, the former director of the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology in Hamburg, said he accepted that emissions would increase the global average temperature but the key question was how quickly.

He added that it was “utterly unacceptable” to advise against publishing a paper on the ground that the findings might be used by climate sceptics to advance their arguments.

“It is an indication of how science is gradually being influenced by political views. The reality hasn’t been keeping up with the [computer] models.

Therefore, if people are proposing to do major changes to the world’s economic system we must have much more solid information.”

Scientists from around the world sent messages of support to Professor Bengtsson.


:elvis:

[ELVIS]

The best angle is still stronger regulations against polluting...keep it off a tax based penalty.

No it isn't...

Regulations these days are corrupt and are written by and for the corporations to help corporations and hurt the small guy...

The best angle is to stand against the corruption...

[WACF]

No it isn't...

Regulations these days are corrupt and are written by and for the corporations to help corporations and hurt the small guy...

The best angle is to stand against the corruption...


Who do you think is behind the Climate Change scare?

They want us focusing and fighting about that rather than stronger regulations on Polluting.

The best option is to have it as a major election issue...but they have steered us clear of that.

An example of avoiding the whole picture with a little diversion(attack) is this article...even the pretend enviros are in on it.


http://opinion.financialpost.com/2013/11/29/vivian-krause-new-u-s-funding-for-the-war-on-canadian-oil/



Vivian Krause: New U.S. funding for the war on Canadian oil

Tides USA letters reveal $3.2-million in payments over last few months to activists groups and environmental organizations in Canada, U.S. and Europe. The objective: Create opposition to Canadian oil developments.


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For more than a decade, there has been a complex international effort to stymie the oil industry in Canada. It’s called the Tar Sands Campaign and the main sources of funding for this campaign are the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, the William & Flora Hewlett Foundation, the Oak Foundation, the Sea Change Foundation, the Tides Foundation and other charitable foundations, most of which are based in California. By my calculations, these foundations have provided at least $75-million for campaigns and land use planning initiatives that thwart the development and export of Canadian oil. Until now, little information has been available about the specific activities that have been funded. Not anymore.

Earlier this month, an unprecedented amount of detail came to light in a series of covering letters for 70 payments sent by the San Francisco-based Tides Foundation (“Tides USA”) to 45 organizations in the U.S., Canada and Europe. These payments total $3.2-million. I came across these covering letters using Google. All of the letters that I’ve seen are signed by Gary D. Schwarz, the interim CEO of Tides USA. Most of these letters were sent between June and October of 2013.

Mr. Schwarz’s covering letters stipulate a list of conditions including, for example, that the recipient organization agrees “not to use any portion of the granted funds to carry on propaganda nor to attempt to influence specific legislation either by direct or grassroots lobbying.” And yet these letters suggest to me that this is precisely what Tides is funding.

The numbering and timing of these payments indicates that they have been made systematically. For example, between August 2 and September 29, Tides made 27 consecutively numbered payments for a total of $1.9-million. In all cases, the donor is listed as “an existing fund.” Generally, the existing fund is not identified.

The recipients are clearly identified. From the Great Bear Rainforest Initiative and the First Nations at Fort Chipewayan to the groups pushing for the EU Fuel Quality Directive in Europe, virtually every organization that campaigns against the Alberta oil industry is funded by Tides USA, these letters reveal.

Among the initiatives that Tides USA funds are LeadNow, Idle No More, the Indigenous Tar Sands campaign, the Tanker Free Coast campaign, Pipe Up, the Tar Sands Reality Check, the Canadian Youth Climate Coalition, PowerShift and Save the Salish Sea. The gist of these initiatives is to foment opposition to pipeline and export infrastructure that is essential for getting Canadian energy to global markets.

Seven payments mention building relationships with First Nations, “indigenous solidarity,” resistance and opposition along pipeline routes. For example, through the Tides Canada Foundation Exchange Fund, Tides USA paid $35,000 for re-granting to West Coast Environmental Law “to provide legal strategies and communication support to First Nations to constrain tar sands development.”

Through the Tides Canada Foundation Exchange Fund, Tides USA also paid $15,000 to the Sierra Club of BC for a project called, “Our Coast, Our Call: Mobilizing and Strengthening Opposition to Tanker Expansion on the B.C. Coast.”

Even before the recommendations of the Joint Panel Review of the Northern Gateway pipeline are in, Tides USA has paid First Nations in B.C. to respond to the panel and to media. On August 9, 2013, Tides USA paid $67,500 to the Great Bear Initiative Society “for work with Coastal First Nations on the Central and North Coasts to prepare for the federal consultations; respond to media; and raise awareness of the costs of an oil spill and respond to Joint Review Panel (JRP) recommendations.” Tides USA paid $25,000 to the same group “to enforce the oil tanker ban for the Great Bear Rainforest through communications outreach, to maintain opposition to oil tankers, and to increase public support against the Northern Gateway pipeline.” Both of the letters regarding these payments were sent to the attention of Mr. Art Sterritt.

Tides funds the Dogwood Initiative “to cultivate widespread public opposition to tar sands oil tankers and pipeline proposals in British Columbia.” Note that Dogwood isn’t paid to oppose all tankers, only “tar sands oil tankers” — in other words, only tankers exporting Canadian oil.

On August 9, 2013, Pembina was paid $225,000 “to advance policy improvements, the narrative that oilsands expansion is problematic, land use decisions that slow expansion, and improved climate policy.” Tides USA also funded Pembina “to provide regular briefings to the Tar Sands Group and broaden the base of key influencers.” Earlier in the year Tides USA paid Pembina $55,000 “for furthering awareness of the negative impacts of the tar sands economy.” Indeed, with the recent release of its recent report, “Booms, Busts and Bitumen,” Pembina did just that.

Environmental Defence Canada was paid $212,500 by Tides USA “for outreach and education on the Line 9 and Energy East pipelines; ongoing promotion of Tar Sands Reality Check; leading government relations work in Ottawa; promotion of the Fuel Quality Directive (FQD); and supporting the work of allies.”

Equiterre was paid $75,000 by Tides USA “to educate the public on Line 9 and Energy East, participate in the regulatory process for Line 9, and assist in promoting Tar Sands Reality Check in Quebec and raising awareness of the economic challenges with tar sands development.” Greenpeace Canada was paid $90,000 “for events that show opposition to pipelines and tar sands expansion, for ongoing participation in the AB pipeline review, and for continued work to expose the nefarious work of industry and government in order to expand the tar sands” and a further $100,000 for similar purposes.

The problem that I see with these payments is that creating a negative narrative and cultivating opposition is not what charitable foundations are supposed to fund nor is it what registered charities in Canada are supposed to do.

“To be considered charitable, an educational activity must be reasonably objective and based on a well-reasoned position. This means a position that is based on factual information that is methodically, objectively, fully, and fairly analyzed. In addition, a well-reasoned position should present serious arguments and relevant facts to the contrary,” says the Canada Revenue Agency.

Some payments mention a specific pipeline company: TransCanada pipelines (Keystone XL and Line 9) are mentioned in regards to 15 payments, Enbridge in 11 and Kinder Morgan in six.

Some payments mention specific pipelines, including Line 9, the Clipper/Line 67 expansion, Energy East, as well as pipelines in the MacKenzie valley and New England. For example, the National Wildlife Federation, based in Washington D.C., was paid $50,000 “to organize opposition to the Enbridge Line 67 expansion and the Keystone XL pipeline.”

Living Oceans Society was paid $30,000 “to build opposition to the KM pipeline; conduct research on risks to human health from an oil spill, risks to wildlife, and the “blue economy;” implement comprehensive rollout strategies for the research results including ethnic audiences; and renew opposition parties’ commitment to tanker ban.” Living Oceans was also paid $6,000 for a project titled, “Exposing the threats to human health posed by a Kinder Morgan spill.”

Tides also funds the beginning of a new campaign against InSitu mining, according to one letter to the Keepers of the Athabasca Watershed Society.

The EU Fuel Quality Directive is mentioned in the covering letters regarding five payments that I’ve seen. For example, on September 13, 2013 a numbered company in Fort Chipewayan was paid $55,000 “to build the case for rejecting the Shell and Teck Frontier mines; participate in regulatory processes and use legal tools to increase regulations; work with groups in Europe to support the Fuel Quality Directive (FQD); and build public opposition to tar sands and pipelines.”

Tides USA paid the same amount to the same numbered company in 2012, tax returns show.

For a project titled, “Stop Shell and Keep Tar Sands Out of Europe,” Tides USA paid $12,000 to the U.K. Tar Sands Network, based in Oxford. Tides USA also funds Friends of the Earth in Europe and the European Federation for Transport & Environment, both based in Belgium.

In the U.S., Tides paid $1.5-million to 21 organizations including funds organizing landowners, for the Nebraska Farmers Union and for “using creative action” in small towns and rural communities along the proposed Keystone XL pipeline route.

The Sierra Club was paid $165,000 “for organizing and mobilizing opposition to the Keystone XL pipeline and other tar sands projects and for coordination with Canadian colleagues.”

The New York-based Natural Resources Defense Council was paid $150,000 for policy analysis and advice and for “co-ordinating allies” in Canada and Europe. It was also paid to co-ordinate the Tar Sands Free Northeast Coalition, particularly at the municipal level.


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Forest Ethics was paid $155,000 “… to persuade a minimum of either Coke or Pepsi to confirm publicly that they have committed to eliminate fuel that comes from tar sands refineries” – in other words, Canadian oil.

Environmental activism is important, but we need activists to play the role of honest brokers, not shake-down artists.

Vivian Krause is a Vancouver-based researcher and writer. On Twitter, she’s @FairQuestions.

Details of the 27 consecutively numbered payments (#1875 – #1903) made by Tides USA between August 2 and September 29, are reported below.

#1875: $75,000 for Bill McKibben’s organization, 350.org “for mobilizing the public in opposition to the Keystone XL pipeline and expansion of tar sands,” August 2, 2013.

#1876: $80,000 paid to ProgressNow “for Bold Nebraska’s efforts towards organizing landowners in Nebraska who oppose the Keystone XL pipeline; and for support of the Nebraska Farmers Union and Nebraska Easement Action Team,” August 16, 2013.

#1877: $50,000 paid to the Earth Island Institute “for Energy Action Coalition’s efforts towards mobilizing students and youth in op position to the Keystone XL pipeline and the expansion of the tar sands,” August 9, 2013.

#1878: $75,000 paid to Forest Ethics “to conduct education and outreach on the Kinder Morgan and Enbridge Northern Gateway Campaign; participate in the development of Tar Sands Free West Coast; and persuade a minimum of either Coke or pepsi to confirm publicly that they have committed to eliminate fuel that comes from tar sands refineries,” August 9, 2013. For the same purpose, Forest Ethics was also paid $50,000 on August 16, 2013 and $30,000 on October 25, 2013.

#1879: $25,000 paid to Friends of the Earth “for monitoring and exposing State Department handling of the Keystone XL pipeline review process,” August 9, 2013.

#1880: $25,000 paid to the Polaris Institute “for Indigenous Environmental Network’s organizing indigenous opposition to the expansion of Enbridge Alberta Clipper/Line 67 expansion and the Keystone XL pipeline,” September 6, 2013.

#1881: $50,000 paid to the National Wildlife Federation “to organize opposition to the Enbridge Line 67 expansion and the Keystone XL pipeline,” August 9, 2013.

#1882: $150,000 paid to the Natural Resources Defense Council (c/o Frances Beinecke) for “policy analysis and advice; for education of policy makers; for organizing opposition to the Keystone XL pipeline and tar sands expansion generally; for coordinating with Canadian and European allies; and for development of the Tar Sands Free Northeast Coalition including organizing municipalities,” August 9, 2013.

#1883: $60,000 paid to Oil Change International for “oil industry analysis and for information on the climate impacts of tar sands projects,” August 16, 2013.

#1884: $35,000 paid to Public Citizen Foundation “towards monitoring and exposing the practices of TransCanada on the Keystone XL South (Gulf Coast) pipeline project; and for organizing landowners along the pipeline route of Keystone XL and SeaWay,” August 9, 2013.

#1885: $165,000 paid to The Sierra Club, based in San Francisco “for organizing and mobilizing opposition to the Keystone XL pipeline and other tar sands projects and for coordination with Canadian colleagues.” August 16, 2013.

#1886: $25,000 paid to the Backbone campaign (c/o Mr. Bill Moyer) for a project called “The Other 98%’s training and organizing direct actions in opposition to the Keystone XL pipeline.” September 27, 2013.

#1888: $55,000 paid to a numbered company, 850450 Alberta Ltd., in Fort Chipewayan “to build the case for rejecting the Shell and Teck Frontier mines; participate in regulatory processes and use legal tools to increase regulatioins; work with groups in Europe to support the Fuel Quality Directive (FQD); and build public opposition to tar sands pipelines,” September 13, 2013.

#1889: $75,000 paid to The Dogwood Initiative “to increase the number of no tankers supporters; develop volunteer teams in each area; and deepen the engagement of existing supports,” August 9, 2013. Dogwood was also paid $25,000 on July 19, 2013 “to cultivate widespread public opposition to tar sands oil tankers and pipeline proposals in British Columbia” and a total of $81,700 in four grants “to help British Columbians exercise local control to create healthy and prosperous communities.”

#1890: $212,500 paid to Environmental Defense “outreach and education on the Line 9 and Energy East pipelines; ongoing promotion of Tar Sands Reality Check; leading government relations work in Ottawa; promotion of the Fuel Quality Directive (FQD); and supporting the work of allies,” August 9, 2013. Through Tides Canada Foundation Exchange Fund, Environmental Defense was also paid $15,000 “to co-sponsor a series of concerts aimed at engaging and educating a wider audience about the risks of tar sands expansion,” July 12, 2013.

#1891: $60,000 paid to The European Federation for Transport & Environment, based in Belgium, “for organizing, providing technical advice to policy makers, and educating the public of key countries in support of the EU Fuel Quality Directive implementing regulations, as outlined in your proposal,” August 2, 2013.

#1892: $70,000 paid to Friends of the Earth Europe ASBL, based in Belgium, “towards organizing and educating policy makers and the public in key countries in support of the EU Fuel Quality Directive implementing regulations, as outlined in your proposal,” August 9, 2013.

#1893: $67,500 paid to the Great Bear Initiative Society, “for work with Coastal First Nations on the Central and North coasts to prepare for the federal consultations; respond to media; raise awareness of the costs of an oil spill and respond to Joint Review Panel (JPR) recommendations,” August 9, 2013. The Great Bear Initiative Society was paid $25,000 “to enforce the oil tanker ban for the Great Bear Rainforest through communications outreach, to maintain opposition to oil tankers, and to increase public support against the Northern Gateway Pipeline,” July 12, 2013. Both payments were sent by Tides to the attention of Mr. Art Sterritt.

#1894: $100,000 paid to Greenpeace Canada “for your continued outreach and education on pipelines, tar sands mines and pipeline safety regulations, as outlined in your proposal,” August 9, 2013. Greenpeace Canada was also paid $90,000 “for events that show opposition to pipelines and tar sands expansion, for ongoing participation in the AB pipeline review, and for continued work to expose the nefarious work of industry and government in order to expand the tar sands,” April 12, 2013.

#1895: $50,000 paid to Keepers of the Athabasca Watershed Society for “development and implementation of an InSitu campaign; continued work on pipelines; and participation in other Alberta events and campaigns,” August 9, 2013.

#1896: $30,000 paid to Living Oceans Society “to build opposition to the KM pipeline; conduct research on risks to human health from an oil spill, risk to wildlife, and the “blue economy;” implement comprehensive roll out strategies for the research results including ethnic audiences; and renew opposition parties’ commitment to tanker ban,” August 9, 2013. Living Oceans was also paid $6,000 for a project titled, “Exposing the Threats to Human Health Posed by a Kinder Morgan Spill,” October 4, 2013.

#1897: $35,000 paid to the The Northwest Bioregional Research Society for “ongoing coordination of the Enbridge campaign in the north, support for materials and events, and for hosting regular provincial calls,” August 16, 2013.

#1898: $225,000 paid to the Pembina Institute “to advance policy improvements, the narrative that oilsands expansion is problematic, land use decisions that slow expansion, and improved climate policy,” August 9, 2013. That grant also specified, “This grant is also to provide regular briefings to the Tar Sands Group and broaden the base of key influencers, as outlined in your proposal.” The Pembina Institute was also paid $55,000 “for further raising awareness of the negative impacts of the tar sands on the economy, for participating in conversation with Province of Alberta about water, land and air regulatory reform, technical support to tar sands campaign partner, and for participation in the Shell JRPs and preparation for the Tech Frontier JRP,” April 12, 2013.

#1899: $30,000 paid to the Sierra Club of BC for “continued work to stop the Enbridge and Kinder Morgan pipelines including working with First Nations, PowerShift and others,” August 23, 2013. Through the Tides Canada Foundation Exchange Fund, the Sierra Club of BC was also paid $15,000 for a project titled, “Our Coast, Our Call: mobilizing and strengthening opposition to tanker expansion on the BC coast,” October 4, 2013.

#1900: $30,000 paid to the Prairie Chapter of the Sierra Club of Canada for the “Climate and Energy Campaigner’s work on new mines, pipeline safety, regulations, protection of water and support for the Athabasca Chipewyan First Nation (ACFN), August 30, 2013.

#1901: $18,500 paid to the T. Buck Suzuki Foundation (no relation to the David Suzuki Foundation) for “education and outreach on the risks associated with the Enbridge pipeline,” August 16, 2013.

#1903: $46,500 paid to West Coast Environmental Law Research Foundation (WCELRF) “for ongoing work to support First Nations in their opposition to pipelines in British Columbia,” August 16, 2013. Through the Tides Canada Foundation Exchange Fund, WCELRF was paid also paid $35,000 “to provide legal strategies and communication support to First Nations to constrain tar sands development,” July 12, 2013.

[Kristy]

Who do you think is behind the Climate Change scare?

Benghazi!

[ELVIS]

Bring on the warming!!!

http://wtop.com/emedia/wtop/34/3472/347248.jpg

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Benghazi!

hey kristy

11778

[PETE'S BROTHER]

this one! ;)

11779

[cadaverdog]

Let's see.....you call me a cocksucker, an asshole, etc.

I called you, deservedly so, an idiot.


I only called you those things once. And deservedly so. In your logic that means you shouldn't be offended. As far as you whining about anything I said to anybody else that's between them and me. In other words it's none of your fucking business. If Bob has a problem with me I'm sure he'll let me know.

[Nitro Express]

this one! ;)

11779

That would make Mickey blow a load over Pluto.

[kwame k]

I only called you those things once. And deservedly so. In your logic that means you shouldn't be offended. As far as you whining about anything I said to anybody else that's between them and me. In other words it's none of your fucking business. If Bob has a problem with me I'm sure he'll let me know.

I'm sure he will after he reads the hundreds of PM's you wrote to him crying about me, sissy!

I'd have to actually respect you, which no one in their right mind would including 99.99999% of the people at the sites you visit, to be offended by you.

It's funny as hell to watch you go off the rails and start spewing your little nonsensical martyr complex babble. All I have to do is say idiot and it's off to the races :lmao:

I know, start a feedback thread about the meanies, that'd be original :first:

[Nickdfresh]

That seems pretty obvious...

But it's laughable to see people rally around paying a so called carbon tax...

Or carbon ''trading", there's another joke...

It's a scam...

Volcanoes have been spewing Co2 into the atmosphere continuously since the beginning of time...

Climate science is in it's infancy, and on top of that, modern science is bought and paid for just like the rest of the corruption...

Then there's the chem trails polluting the soil and weather manipulation programs that are going on right above us...

You can't trust the BS...


:elvis:

Thanks for that Heartland Foundation of oil-and-gas donors spoon-fed regurgitated response, guy who barely graduated high school!

Isn't time to burn the ants with the magnifying glass?

[Nickdfresh]

Hey everyone! Cows fart methane. Obviously they've been farting for eons, just ignore the direct correlation between human organized activity and global temperatures rising!

[cadaverdog]

I'm sure he will after he reads the hundreds of PM's you wrote to him crying about me, sissy!



The only PM I've send to Bob lately was an apology for something I did in the past. As far as me whining about you, you've been whining about me enough to cover both of us. Now you got something else to whine about.

[FORD]

Isn't time to burn the ants with the magnifying glass?

Actually, right now I wish I had a magnifying glass.....

Get two days in a row of 80+ degree temperatures here and now those little bastards are everywhere.

[kwame k]

The only PM I've send to Bob lately was an apology for something I did in the past. As far as me whining about you, you've been whining about me enough to cover both of us. Now you got something else to whine about.

Translation......"I only sent him 5 PM's crying like a little school girl!", :first:

[ELVIS]

just ignore the direct correlation between human organized activity and global temperatures rising!

There is none, dipshit...

Man has only been measuring temperatures for a very short period of time...

Climate science is in it's infancy...

[Angel]

Translation......"I only sent him 5 PM's crying like a little school girl!", :first:

I'm going to put you two on a time-out soon...or a boxing ring. ;)

[ELVIS]

Time out...:rolleyes:

[cadaverdog]

Translation......"I only sent him 5 PM's crying like a little school girl!"
Thanks for your previous analysis Sigmund. Not sure how you diagnosed a martyr complex out of go fuck yourself cocksucker and pull your head out of Hale's ass but I'm not the expert here. You think you're pushing my buttons by calling me an idiot but all I have to do is post to push yours.:first:

[FORD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFLbUSD4730

[FORD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y39XG3bHEX8

[ELVIS]

No, the ten foot rise is theorized to happen in the next 200 to 1000 years, so there's one lie...

Thirty years ago the scare was the coming ice age...

To hell with Malloy and his "devestating impact."

I'm not buying it and I never will...

AND THEN HE SAYS THE OCEAN IS AT IT'S MAX POINT TO ABSORB CO2!!!!

That's another lie and a good laugh...

Alarmist bull...

Malloy is a joke...


:elvis:

[Angel]

Time out...:rolleyes:

I'm guessing you're more of a spare the rod spoil the child type....

[ELVIS]

Hardly...

[DONNIEP]

Spankings contribute to global warming!

[FORD]

No, the ten foot rise is theorized to happen in the next 200 to 1000 years, so there's one lie...

Thirty years ago the scare was the coming ice age...

To hell with Malloy and his "devestating impact."

I'm not buying it and I never will...

AND THEN HE SAYS THE OCEAN IS AT IT'S MAX POINT TO ABSORB CO2!!!!

That's another lie and a good laugh...

Alarmist bull...

Malloy is a joke...


:elvis:

It's not Malloy's theory. He's just telling you about it. Because Alex Jones won't...... unless he can blame it on Obama.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Spankings contribute to global warming!

methane?

[DONNIEP]

Ya know, if we'd just kill off all the people then the problem would be solved.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Ya know, if we'd just kill off all the people then the problem would be solved.

who would feed the animals in the zoos?

[ELVIS]

It's not Malloy's theory. He's just telling you about it.

No, he's lying about it...

[DONNIEP]

who would feed the animals in the zoos?

Screw the animals. This is about saving the planet - not its inhabitants!

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Screw the animals. This is about saving the planet - not its inhabitants!

save it from what?

[Seshmeister]

http://img3.allvoices.com/thumbs/image/609/480/86023396-manila-ocean.jpg

[DONNIEP]

save it from what?

Who knows. All this stuff is confusing. I'm going to have a beer.

[FORD]

The only problem with these pictures Sesh is posting is that when Elvis is underwater, it will be that filthy lifeless toxic Gulf of Mexico water, so there won't be all those fish swimming around him.

Maybe a couple of gators though?

[cadaverdog]

The only problem with these pictures Sesh is posting is that when Elvis is underwater, it will be that filthy lifeless toxic Gulf of Mexico water, so there won't be all those fish swimming around him.

I thought that was John Travolta from Saturday Night Fever.

[Seshmeister]

I think this website will be around longer than ELVIS's house.

Unless he lives on a boat.

[Seshmeister]

No, the ten foot rise is theorized to happen in the next 200 to 1000 years, so there's one lie...

Thirty years ago the scare was the coming ice age...



It's much sooner than that and I bet it takes a lot less than 10 foot to fuck you up.

30 years ago? There are a few problems with that dumb old argument.

a) It refers to the 1970s so that's 40 years now keep up
b) It's partly based on a hoax http://science.time.com/2013/06/06/sorry-a-time-magazine-cover-did-not-predict-a-coming-ice-age/
c) So fucking what? The difference between science and superstition/religion is that science is constantly checking and rechecking whether it's correct or not. Computer modelling in the 1970s verses computer modelling now?
Get serious...

[Seshmeister]

Screw the animals. This is about saving the planet - not its inhabitants!

The planet will definitely be ok, it's the people that we need to worry about.

Venus is the best advert for avoiding climate change...

[DONNIEP]

The planet will definitely be ok, it's the people that we need to worry about.

Venus is the best advert for avoiding climate change...

Those damn Venusians wrecked that planet!

[FORD]

I think this website will be around longer than ELVIS's house.

Unless he lives on a boat.

Well, it's kind of a boat.....

http://www.funnyredneckjokes.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/redneckhouseboat.jpg

[ELVIS]

I like it...

[ELVIS]

The difference between science and superstition/religion is that science is constantly checking and rechecking whether it's correct or not. Computer modelling in the 1970s verses computer modelling now?
Get serious...

Oh bullshit, and computer modeling is still CRAP!!

Look at any current hurricane modeling chart...

Atmospheric science is in its infancy...

On top of that, you can't trust agenda driven, bought and paid for "science."

[ashstralia]

When we get a half decent flood, I boast about my apartment having water views... :)

[Seshmeister]

Oh bullshit, and computer modeling is still CRAP!!

Look at any current hurricane modeling chart...

Atmospheric science is in its infancy...

On top of that, you can't trust agenda driven, bought and paid for "science."

Your understanding of science is in it's infancy.

If a climatologist could disprove climate change he would win a Nobel prize. There is always plenty of motivation to disprove a prevailing scientific theory, that's how peer review works.

[ELVIS]

Dude, you've never made one post that shows you know anything more about science than I do or the next guy...

Climate change doesn't have to be proven...

The earth is a dynamic planet...

It goes in and out of an ice age about every 100,000 years...

Then about 15 or so years ago we had "global warming" and we were told that co2 was leading the warming...

But 15 years on, it didn't get warmer, it got cooler...

Right on track with the Milankovitch cycles...

The so called warming associated with the onset of the industrial age is made up propaganda designed to make you worship government...

And it's working on you, so far...

Maybe it's the nanny state thing...;)

[ELVIS]

If a climatologist could disprove climate change he would win a Nobel prize.

The "Nobel Prize" is globalist BS !!!!

They hand that out to undeserving crooks in order to lend legitimacy to their propaganda...

What did Obomba get one for ??

And there are plenty of climatologists that don't believe one bit of algore's bull...

[DONNIEP]

Then about 15 or so years ago we had "global warming" and we were told that co2 was leading the warming...

But 15 years on, it didn't get warmer, it got cooler...

The hotter the earth gets, the cooler it will become. Because "climate" and "weather" are totally unrelated. If I had a dollar for every time I've heard somebody say that...

[Seshmeister]

The "Nobel Prize" is globalist BS !!!!

They hand that out to undeserving crooks in order to lend legitimacy to their propaganda...



You just talk total ignorant crap all the time.



2013 Nobel Prize Winners

The Nobel Prize in Physics 2013
François Englert and Peter W. Higgs
"for the theoretical discovery of a mechanism that contributes to our understanding of the origin of mass of subatomic particles, and which recently was confirmed through the discovery of the predicted fundamental particle, by the ATLAS and CMS experiments at CERN's Large Hadron Collider"

The Nobel Prize in Chemistry 2013
Martin Karplus, Michael Levitt and Arieh Warshel
"for the development of multiscale models for complex chemical systems"

The Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 2013
James E. Rothman, Randy W. Schekman and Thomas C. Südhof
"for their discoveries of machinery regulating vesicle traffic, a major transport system in our cells"

The Nobel Prize in Literature 2013
Alice Munro
"master of the contemporary short story"

The Nobel Peace Prize 2013
Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW)
"for its extensive efforts to eliminate chemical weapons"

The Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel 2013
Eugene F. Fama, Lars Peter Hansen and Robert J. Shiller
"for their empirical analysis of asset prices"

[Seshmeister]

And there are plenty of climatologists that don't believe one bit of algore's bull...

Name some.

[ELVIS]

Yeah...

That's one of the propaganda hoops they have to jump through to allow themselves to believe such nonsense...

[DONNIEP]

I should be on that list...

[ELVIS]

Name some.

Will that settle your frantic nerves ??

[cadaverdog]

There absolutely should be an infrastructure project of FDR era proportions in this country right now, both to bring this country into the 21st century AND to create living wage American jobs (with a stipulation that ONLY American made parts and materials would be used in such a project).


Sounds like a good idea. That's how Hitler became the Fuhrer. :yikes:

[ELVIS]

"for their discoveries of machinery regulating vesicle traffic, a major transport system in our cells"

"master of the contemporary short story"

"for its extensive efforts to eliminate chemical weapons"

"for their empirical analysis of asset prices"

All obvious globalist agendas...

You proved me right yet again...:biggrin:

[ELVIS]

Sounds like a good idea. That's how Hitler became the Fuhrer. :yikes:

You're catching on...

[vandeleur]

Peter Higgs loves the toon loves the toon . Just saying :D

[DONNIEP]

Peter Higgs loves the toon loves the toon . Just saying :D

Vandy! This is a serious discussion, for serious people who take this nonsense seriously. The proof is right here for everybody to see! It was only like 60 degrees here on Saturday - if that's not proof of out of control global warming I don't know what is! Now, I'm going outside to build a snowman. A very rude snowman.

[vandeleur]

My own understand of quantum mechanics is very patchy though I have studied the famous ...
Heinekens uncertainty principle , in as much as I had no idea how many beers I had last night .

[DONNIEP]

My own understand of quantum mechanics is very patchy though I have studied the famous ...
Heinekens uncertainty principle , in as much as I had no idea how many beers I had last night .

But, Vandy, unlike the temperature outside my house, or the "climate" in the Sahara desert, you can measure the number of beers you actually consumed. You just count up the ones in the trash can, the ones you hid under the sink and the two or three you tossed out the back door so wifey wouldn't find out. See how simple that is? It's not all esoteric like studying global warming where the variables, such as weather and climate, have absolutely no relationship at all. I'll give you an example: What's the weather in the Sahara Desert? What's the climate in the Sahara Desert? See - totally unrelated!

[vandeleur]

It's to deep I'm still hung over , my brother is over from the Isle of Man for two days which basically means drinking.

[ELVIS]

Perfect cure for a hangover...

[vandeleur]

Perfect cure for a hangover...

I agree usually but am summoning the courage to do just that .

[DONNIEP]

I agree usually but am summoning the courage to do just that .

Man up! Now's the time when you gotta power through!! Just like that snow plow that keeps going up and down my road!

[vandeleur]

We had two sunny days at the weekend , first one was great second one people started panicking and discussing droughts lol .

[ELVIS]

See how propaganda works ??

It's like being afraid of sharks because of the movie Jaws...

[DONNIEP]

We had two sunny days at the weekend , first one was great second one people started panicking and discussing droughts lol .

Two sunny days in a row? In blighty? See - that's global warming! Quick, head for the fallout shelters! The sky is falling!

[vandeleur]

E it was a joke I was playing to the crowds ..... We've never had two consecutive sunny days :biggrin:

[ELVIS]

Sounds like Seattle...

[DONNIEP]

Sounds like Seattle...

No wonder Cobain rode the 12 gauge express straight to hell...

[PETE'S BROTHER]

See how propaganda works ??

It's like being afraid of sharks because of the movie Jaws...

ha! i read "Jews"

[DONNIEP]

ha! i read "Jews"

Oh no! Don't tell me the Jews and the sharks have finally teamed up?? I knew this day was gonna come!

[Seshmeister]

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee43/Seshmeister/shark_zps8cd48715.jpg

[cadaverdog]

Oh no! Don't tell me the Jews and the sharks have finally teamed up?
As long as the sharks and the jets don't team up everything will be fine.

[cadaverdog]

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WTF?:yikes:

[DONNIEP]

I ain't a'smart enough to read that. But I can say that it is defintely Devilly!

[cadaverdog]

I ain't a'smart enough to read that. But I can say that it is defintely Devilly!
If you read it three times Beetlejuice will appear.

[Seshmeister]

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee43/Seshmeister/tumblr_lrjbq1cj9i1qfoddeo1_500.gif

[Seshmeister]

Excellent balanced documentary series that goes back to the science fuck up of the 1970s ice age prediction until the present day.

[DONNIEP]

Anybody wanna argue over this?

http://s29.postimg.org/wtyo0ijnb/GLOBALsexy_pure_dee.jpg

[ELVIS]

Those are more like peninsulas...

[DONNIEP]

Those are more like peninsulas...

Denier!!!

[Satan]

Sounds like a good idea. That's how Hitler became the Fuhrer. :yikes:

No, that's how FDR prevented an American Fuhrer.

Germany was as fucked as the US was in the late 20s - early 30s.

Both got out of their depressions, but using dramatically different paths to get there.

Prescott Bush and his pals would have preferred the Hitler approach here. They tried to push a military coup against FDR, in fact. Unfortunately for them, and fortunately for all of us, they picked the wrong general to lead them. A true patriot named Smedley Butler (USMC) who told them to fuck off, and then exposed their treason.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMEI8bnbw1o

[Nitro Express]

Anybody wanna argue over this?

http://s29.postimg.org/wtyo0ijnb/GLOBALsexy_pure_dee.jpg

Big nips!

[Nitro Express]

Global Warming is like religion. You can be saved from destruction if everyone sends the fear monger their money. Somehow this pleases God and cools the earth. This is all that is needed. So brothers and sisters send Nitro your tithes and offerings or 10% carbon tax and worry not. But if you fail to do so; especially you heathens on the coast. You will be destroyed!

[ELVIS]

That's basically what algore and the alarmist parade are saying...

[DONNIEP]

It's all a conspiracy by the White Man! White Man, skiin' in his tighty whites, just like a white winged dove singin' a song about what they singin'! Hoo baby, hoo baby, hoo!

[ELVIS]

I think this website will be around longer than ELVIS's house.



So if the industrial age and "global warming" causes bad weather, what about storms like the 1722 Hurricane ??


Great Louisana Hurricane of 1722.

Moved through Lesser Antilles on September 11.

This hurricane is the first tropical storm to strike the region for which there are adequate first-hand accounts and almost completely destroyed the city's fragile existing infrastructure.

Storm made landfall in Louisiana on September 23 with 15 hours of hurricane winds and an 8-foot storm surge flooding.

Hurricane force winds lasted 15 hours.

In 1718, 3 feet (1m) high levees protected New Orleans from both river and tidal overflow (today they are 17 feet (5.2 m) high).

The buildings in New Orleans suffered extensive destruction, though they were not of high grade construction having been hastily constructed when New Orleans was initially selected to be the capital of the Louisiana Company in 1717-18.

The bayou between New Orleans and Biloxi was filled with two to three feet (0.6-0.9 m) of water as a result of the storm and all ships at port were destoyed.

Rainfall and flooding were reported to have lasted for five days. This storm was responsible for moving Mobile from its old site 27 miles (43 km) north of the mouth of the Mobile River to its present-day site.

This same storm likely re-curved northeast and headed into South Carolina as they reported three days of flooding rains in SC around the 27th.


What about the countless other storms and hurricanes from the same period and going back 200 to 300 years ??


:elvis:

[Kristy]

You just talk total ignorant crap all the time.

We all have Nick to blame for that. After all, he missed this when it comes to Smellvis:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

[ELVIS]

Shaddup fag...

[ELVIS]

What if '97 percent' of scientists are wrong?

(http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/kerry-if-were-wrong-climate-change-whats-worst-can-happen_793392.html)

http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20140520&t=2&i=898289645&w=580&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=LYNXMPEA4J042

Secretary of State John Kerry did not shy away from pejorative language when addressing "climate change" in his commencement speech at Boston College on Monday. Kerry referred to those skeptical of the Obomba administration's climate claims as "members of the Flat Earth Society" who are "risking nothing less than the future of the entire planet" by resisting implementation of the administration's policies. At the very least, Kerry argued, what have we got to lose by taking the steps he and the president are advocating? [emphasis added]:

If we make the necessary efforts to address this challenge – and supposing I’m wrong or scientists are wrong, 97 percent of them all wrong – supposing they are, what’s the worst that can happen? We put millions of people to work transitioning our energy, creating new and renewable and alternative; we make life healthier because we have less particulates in the air and cleaner air and more health; we give ourselves greater security through greater energy independence – that’s the downside. This is not a matter of politics or partisanship; it’s a matter of science and stewardship. And it’s not a matter of capacity; it’s a matter of willpower.

Kerry also suggested there's not much time to act, because "things will change in a hurry," and indeed some things have already changed:

Two major recent reports, one from the UN and one from retired U.S. military leaders, warn us not just of the crippling consequences to come, but that some of them are already here. Ninety-seven percent of the world’s scientists tell us this is urgent. Why? Because if crops can’t grow, there’ll be food insecurity. If there’s less water because of longer droughts, if there are stronger and more powerful storms, things will change in a hurry and they will change for the worse.

Kerry seemed to be echoing the words of French foreign minister Laurent Fabius who last week at an appearance with the secretary said that "we have 500 days to avoid climate chaos." As CNS News later reported, Fabius went on to warn that the earth stands at "the edge of a climatic abyss." He was heartened, however, from some "glimmers of hope," adsserting that since the 2009 Copenhagen climate conference, "climate denial is – at least in Europe – less audible."


:elvis:

[DONNIEP]

"what’s the worst that can happen? We put millions of people to work"



What a load of shit.

[vandeleur]

What a load of shit.

You had to edit that :biggrin:

[DONNIEP]

You had to edit that :biggrin:

I actually went back and took E's little angry man off of it. He just didn't fit in with the quote. Plus I forgot how to spell shit.