Corporations are RELIGIOUS people, my friends!

[Satan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6exHCbl4nc

[Nitro Express]

There's nothing wrong with corporations. I get tired of all the drivel of capitalism doesn't work. Capitalism is evil and so forth. A corporation is simply a legal entity that protects the share holders from liability. This protects you as a share holder when your retirement fund owns some shares. Corporations work well when a publicly elected government does it's job of properly regulating them. Which means the citizens need to have some knowledge of what is going on and make sure they keep politicians in office who can't be bought by the corporations.

What has happened is the citizens got distracted by other things and over a series of decade the corporations slowly bought up the government. Now everyone is waking up going holy shit! Our government has been bought. It didn't happen overnight. It was a slow process. Sadly nobody did a thing about it.

We are in the mess we are now because the citizens didn't stay on the government making sure it did it's job. Instead they took a buy out and turned their heads the other way. When you become dependent on the government you are in no position to tell it what to do. They simply can cut you off. It's why we need a diversified job structure and the more employers the better. We have too many people working for or depending on the government now. When you hit that critical mass, nobody is going to fix a thing.

[Satan]

When corporations were properly regulated, and could lose their right to exist if they acted contrary to the public interest, they didn't act like the shithead monsters that they now do.

Coincidentally, they also weren't so damn greedy when reasonable corporate tax rates, and reasonable personal tax rates on the rich made hoarding cash and resources impossible, and corporations would invest and grow their businesses, as much out of self-interest (dodging taxes) as the public interest.

[Nitro Express]

When corporations were properly regulated, and could lose their right to exist if they acted contrary to the public interest, they didn't act like the shithead monsters that they now do.

Coincidentally, they also weren't so damn greedy when reasonable corporate tax rates, and reasonable personal tax rates on the rich made hoarding cash and resources impossible, and corporations would invest and grow their businesses, as much out of self-interest (dodging taxes) as the public interest.

Yeah. I believe a corporate charter from the government was six years. Every six years your charter came up for review.

I'm a fan of a flat tax. I would make it to where the first $30,000 is tax free and then above $30,000 there is a flat rate. It would be simple and eliminate a lot of games. Corporations would have to pay their fair share.

[Satan]

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[Satan]

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[FORD]

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Hobby Lobby wins in narrow ruling
06/30/14 10:21 AM—Updated 06/30/14 11:17 AM
By Irin Carmon (http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hobby-lobby-supreme-court-wins-narrow-ruling)

The Supreme Court has ruled in a narrow 5-4 decision that a closely-held company can be exempt from the contraceptive coverage under the Affordable Care Act.

The closely watched case pitted the administration and its allies, including women’s health advocates, against the religious right, which has repeatedly accused President Barack Obama of waging a war on religion in the public square.

Republican Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell praised the ruling. ”Today’s Supreme Court decision makes clear that the Obama administration cannot trample on the religious freedoms that Americans hold dear,” he said in a statement.

Speaker of the House John Boehner (R-Ohio) weighed in too, saying “The mandate overturned today would have required for-profit companies to choose between violating their constitutionally-protected faith or paying crippling fines, which would have forced them to lay off employees or close their doors.” He also renewed calls for the repeal of Obamacare.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said in a statement: ”Today’s decision jeopardizes women’s access to essential health care. Employers have no business intruding in the private health care decisions women make with their doctors.”

“This ruling ignores the scientific evidence showing that the health security of millions of American women is strengthened by access to these crucial services,” he added.

Reid pledged that Democrats would “continue to fight to preserve women’s access to contraceptive coverage and keep bosses out of the examination room.”

The decision was met with chants of ”HOBBY LOBBY WINS, HOBBY LOBBY WINS” from a group gathered outside the courthouse in support of the company. One pro-Hobby Lobby woman reportedly ripped up her “losing speech” following the verdict.

However, most Americans disagree with the majority opinion. According to a March 2014 NBC/WSJ poll 53% of Americans believe that employers should not be able to be exempt from the Affordable Care Act’s requirement that health plans cover prescription birth control.

Hobby Lobby stores, an Oklahoma-based, evangelical-owned craft chain with about 13,000 employees, and Conestoga Wood Specialties, a small Mennonite-owned cabinet maker in Pennsylvania, were two of the 49 for-profit companies that said the requirement violated their religious freedom.

The Obama administration had provided exemptions for the law for houses of worship and an accommodation for religious nonprofits (the subject of pending litigation) but not for for-profit corporations.

The Religious Freedom Restoration Act, the law at issue in the case, has never been applied to for-profit entities. The Court had to decide whether corporations even have religious exercise rights – making the beliefs of the employer synonymous with the entire company – and weigh that question against the potential harms to the employees.

Hobby Lobby and Conestoga Wood objected to a handful of contraceptives that they speculate can block a fertilized egg, which is neither documented in the science nor the medical definition of abortion. Other for-profit plaintiffs object to any birth control coverage at all.

The case was the first time the Affordable Care Act returned to the nation’s highest Court since it was first largely upheld as constitutional, and was argued by current Solicitor General Don Verrilli and former Bush administration solicitor general Paul Clement.

Hobby Lobby and Conestoga Wood got two very different results at the appeals court. The Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals declared of Hobby Lobby that “such corporations can be ‘persons’ exercising religion.” In ruling on Conestoga’s bid for exemption from the requirement, the Third Circuit disagreed: “For-profit secular corporations cannot exercise in religious exercise.”

Kyle Duncan, lead attorney on the Hobby Lobby case and general counsel at the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, told msnbc earlier this year. While employers can’t stop their employees from using birth control (including paying for it with their wages), Duncan said, “Their moral objection is being made to participate in the process.”

At oral argument, as hundreds of women rallied outside in support of birth control access, Paul Clement argued, “This is not about access to the contraception, it’s who’s going to pay for the government’s preferred subsidy.” Justice Elena Kagan, for her part, had a different answer: ”Congress has made a judgment and Congress has given a statutory entitlement and that entitlement is to women and includes contraceptive coverage, and when an employer says, no, I don’t want to give that, that woman is quite directly, quite tangibly harmed.”

The contraceptive benefit was widely seen as a political win for Obama in the 2012 election, galvanizing single women to go to the polls. Democrats are hoping a similar strategy pays off in key elections this fall.

[FORD]

Supreme Court strikes blow to public sector unions

06/30/14 10:07 AM—Updated 06/30/14 10:39 AM
By Adam Serwer (http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/supreme-court-public-sector-unions)

The Supreme Court dealt a serious blow to public sector unions Monday, limiting their ability to automatically deduct dues from public workers who nevertheless benefit from union negotiated contracts. The ruling fell along ideological lines, with the five conservative Justices in the majority and the four Democratic appointees in dissent.

“This case presents the question whether the First Amendment permits a State to compel personal care providers to subsidize speech on matters of public concern by a union that they do not wish to join or support,” wrote Justice Samuel Alito for the majority. “If we accepted Illinois’ argument, we would approve an unprecedented violation of the bedrock principle that, except perhaps in the rarest of circumstances, no person in this country may be compelled to subsidize speech by a third party that he or she does not wish to support.”

The ruling is a substantial setback to public sector unions, a bulwark of organized labor’s fading power, a key constituency for the Democratic Party, and a top target for the conservative movement.

In 2003, Illinois passed a law that substantially strengthened the unions by recognizing home health care workers providing rehabilitation services as public employees and allowing them to be represented by the Service Employees International Union. The workers are paid through the federally funded Medicaid program, but the court ruled that they are “partial public employees” and therefore can’t be compelled to contribute to the unions.

“Other than providing compensation, the State’s role is comparatively small,” Alito wrote.

The workers weren’t compelled to join the union, but even if they didn’t money was deducted out of their paycheck to pay union dues, because the union ultimately represents them in negotiations with management over pay and working conditions –by law the money cannot be used for the union’s political activities.

In 2009, Illinois Democratic Gov. Pat Quinn added a new category of home health care workers, those performing disability services, to those eligible for unionization.

The law was challenged by a group of home health care workers who didn’t want to pay union dues and argued being forced to violated their First Amendment rights, a cause that was then taken up by the anti-labor National Right To Work Legal Defense Foundation.

A 1977 Supreme Court decision, Abood v. Detroit Board of Education, upheld automatic deduction of dues as long as the money is not used for political purposes.

At oral argument, the group urged the Justices to overturn that decision. The court did not do so – though the majority refers to its “foundations” as “questionable” – but it did make it substantially harder for public sector unions to organize.

“The good news out of this case is clear: The majority declined that radical request. The Court did not, as the petitioners wanted, deprive every state and local government, in the management of their employees and programs, of the tool that many have thought necessary and appropriate to make collective bargaining work,” wrote Justice Elena Kagan in a dissent joined by the other Democratic appointees. “The bad news is just as simple: The majority robbed Illinois of that choice in administering its in-home care program.”

The Roberts court has in the past, offered warnings of its future intentions to gut prior precedents or laws that have been upheld, such as when it upheld a key section of the Voting Rights Act in 2009 before striking it down in 2013. By calling the Abood decision “questionable,” the conservative majority may very well be signalling its intention to overrule it in the future.

So Kagan’s “good news” might be quite temporary.

[ELVIS]

Wow...

The court is waking up...


:killer:

[FORD]

Wow...

The court is waking up...


:killer:

The court "woke up" briefly last week, when they briefly sided against fascism with the cell phone search thing.

Then they went right back to the "whatever the goddamned corporations want" mode.

If the BCE had privatized cellphone searches to a "defense" contractor, Opie Roberts would have been in favor of that shit too. Just as his so-called "pro-Obamacare" ruling wasn't about siding with the President at all, it was about billions of dollars for insurance corporations & big pharma.

[ELVIS]

So the corporations want to stop Obummercare ??

[Nitro Express]

I'm going to make myself a church so I won't have to pay income taxes or the Obamacare mandate.

[FORD]

So the corporations want to stop Obummercare ??

No, the corporations love it. And Opie Roberts loves whatever the corporations love. As both of these shitty court decisions today prove. Along with Shittizens United parts 1 & 2, etc.

[Nitro Express]

So the corporations want to stop Obummercare ??

Not the big ones. They can afford Obamacare and of course they get special treatment if they are connected. Higher taxes just keep their competition out of the market. Obama is a GE man through and through. He's paving the way so GE can rule the day.

[Nitro Express]

Maybe Hobby Lobby should put "Gott Mitt Uns" on their employee badges.

[Nitro Express]

No, the corporations love it. And Opie Roberts loves whatever the corporations love. As both of these shitty court decisions today prove. Along with Shittizens United parts 1 & 2, etc.

McDonald's got an Obamacare exemption. Isn't one of their sappy slogans "I'm Loving It!"?

[Nitro Express]

Damn straight. Fascism is when corporations and the government merge. "Gott Mitt Uns" Motherfuckers! The jack boots are marching in.

[cadaverdog]

Do you guys wake up every morning thinking what can I bitch about today? I realize the guy who the site's dedicated to doesn't really give a damn about recording or performing but isn't there anything positive to talk about anymore?

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Each and every ridiculous policy decision by the right, whether that be by Congress or the Court, just ensures little by little that this country, in which the right are now the clear minority, won't elect a Republican President for the foreseeable future.....

[DLR Bridge]

....isn't there anything positive to talk about anymore?

Good question. There prolly isn't. Got any idears?

[ZahZoo]

Oh I don't know... Depends on who the right can put up against the Clintons.

I get the feeling a good portion this country isn't ready to put Hillary in the White House.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Oh I don't know... Depends on who the right can put up against the Clintons.

I get the feeling a good portion this country isn't ready to put Hillary in the White House.


The only one with even a remote chance is Jeb Bush, and even that is being generous....

[DONNIEP]

It's funny, most health plans didn't used to cover birth control at all. Period. So if a woman wanted to be on the pill, she'd pay for it with this stuff called money that she got from her job where she did this thing called work.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

And, oh, by the way.....

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/04/hobby-lobby-retirement-plan-invested-emergency-contraception-and-abortion-drug-makers


Hobby Lobby's Hypocrisy: The Company's Retirement Plan Invests in Contraception Manufacturers

When Hobby Lobby filed its case against Obamacare's contraception mandate, its retirement plan had more than $73 million invested in funds with stakes in contraception makers.
—By Molly Redden | Tue Apr. 1, 2014 6:00 AM EDT

When Obamacare compelled businesses to include emergency contraception in employee health care plans, Hobby Lobby, a national chain of craft stores, fought the law all the way to the Supreme Court. The Affordable Care Act's contraception mandate, the company's owners argued, forced them to violate their religious beliefs. But while it was suing the government, Hobby Lobby spent millions of dollars on an employee retirement plan that invested in the manufacturers of the same contraceptive products the firm's owners cite in their lawsuit.

Documents filed with the Department of Labor and dated December 2012—three months after the company's owners filed their lawsuit—show that the Hobby Lobby 401(k) employee retirement plan held more than $73 million in mutual funds with investments in companies that produce emergency contraceptive pills, intrauterine devices, and drugs commonly used in abortions. Hobby Lobby makes large matching contributions to this company-sponsored 401(k).

Several of the mutual funds in Hobby Lobby's retirement plan have stock holdings in companies that manufacture the specific drugs and devices that the Green family, which owns Hobby Lobby, is fighting to keep out of Hobby Lobby's health care policies: the emergency contraceptive pills Plan B and Ella, and copper and hormonal intrauterine devices.

These companies include Teva Pharmaceutical Industries, which makes Plan B and ParaGard, a copper IUD, and Actavis, which makes a generic version of Plan B and distributes Ella. Other stock holdings in the mutual funds selected by Hobby Lobby include Pfizer, the maker of Cytotec and Prostin E2, which are used to induce abortions; Bayer, which manufactures the hormonal IUDs Skyla and Mirena; AstraZeneca, which has an Indian subsidiary that manufactures Prostodin, Cerviprime, and Partocin, three drugs commonly used in abortions; and Forest Laboratories, which makes Cervidil, a drug used to induce abortions. Several funds in the Hobby Lobby retirement plan also invested in Aetna and Humana, two health insurance companies that cover surgical abortions, abortion drugs, and emergency contraception in many of the health care policies they sell.

In a brief filed with the Supreme Court, the Greens object to covering Plan B, Ella, and IUDs because they claim that these products can prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in a woman's uterus—a process the Greens consider abortion. But researchers reject the notion that emergency contraceptive pills prevent implantation the implantation of a fertilized egg. Instead, they work by delaying ovulation or making it harder for sperm to swim to the egg. The Green's contention that the pills cause abortions is a central pillar of their argument for gutting the contraception mandate. Yet, for years, Hobby Lobby's health insurance plans did cover Plan B and Ella. It was only in 2012, when the Greens considered filing a lawsuit against the Affordable Care Act, that they dropped these drugs from the plan.

A website Hobby Lobby set up to answer questions about the Supreme Court case states that its 401(k) plan comes with "a generous company match." In 2012, Hobby Lobby contributed $3.8 million to its employee savings plans, which had 13,400 employee participants at the beginning of that year.

The information on Hobby Lobby's 401(k) investments is included in the company's 2013 annual disclosure to the Department of Labor. The records contain a list, dated December 31, 2012, of 24 funds that were included in its employer-sponsored retirement plan. MorningStar, an investment research firm, provided Mother Jones with the names of the companies in nine of those funds as of December 31, 2012. Each fund's portfolio consists of at least dozens if not hundreds of different holdings.

All nine funds—which have assets of $73 million, or three-quarters of the Hobby Lobby retirement plan's total assets—contained holdings that clashed with the Greens' stated religious principles.

Hobby Lobby and the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, the conservative group that provided Hobby Lobby with legal representation, did not respond to questions about these investments or whether Hobby Lobby has changed its retirement plan.

In their Supreme Court complaint, Hobby Lobby's owners chronicle the many ways in which they avoid entanglements with objectionable companies. Hobby Lobby stores do not sell shot glasses, for example, and the Greens decline requests from beer distributors to back-haul beer on Hobby Lobby trucks.

Similar options exist for companies that want to practice what's sometimes called faith-based investing. To avoid supporting companies that manufacture abortion drugs—or products such as alcohol or pornography—religious investors can turn to a cottage industry of mutual funds that screen out stocks that religious people might consider morally objectionable. The Timothy Plan and the Ave Maria Fund, for example, screen for companies that manufacture abortion drugs, support Planned Parenthood, or engage in embryonic stem cell research. Dan Hardt, a Kentucky financial planner who specializes in faith-based investing, says the performances of these funds are about the same as if they had not been screened. But Hobby Lobby's managers either were not aware of these options or chose not to invest in them.

[FORD]

Wow, that's more hypocritical than the LDS church owning a big chunk of Coca-Cola. :biggrin:

[ZahZoo]

The only one with even a remote chance is Jeb Bush, and even that is being generous....

I think these mid-term election will add some wrinkles within party leadership. I agree there's no one posed as a likely Republican candidate... yet. They'll start crawling out of the shadows and woodwork in the next several months.

[DONNIEP]

I think these mid-term election will add some wrinkles within party leadership. I agree there's no one posed as a likely Republican candidate... yet. They'll start crawling out of the shadows and woodwork in the next several months.

I'll take the job!

[Nitro Express]

Wow, that's more hypocritical than the LDS church owning a big chunk of Coca-Cola. :biggrin:

More hypocritical than you know. The current prophet Thomas S. Monson is a huge Pepsi drinker.

[Nitro Express]

I think these mid-term election will add some wrinkles within party leadership. I agree there's no one posed as a likely Republican candidate... yet. They'll start crawling out of the shadows and woodwork in the next several months.

As we all know the current Republican establishment is corrupt. People know it. They don't want the old guard or their cronies. The one common theme across party lines is people want to focus on domestic issues instead of spending most our money running our military around the world. The fake patriotism and the delivering democracy lie is falling on deaf ears.

[Nitro Express]

I'm going to start a store called Hobby Snobby. I won't sell any cheap Chinese junk. Everything will be very expensive.

[Nitro Express]

Oh I don't know... Depends on who the right can put up against the Clintons.

I get the feeling a good portion this country isn't ready to put Hillary in the White House.

Hillary is her own worst enemy. Exactly. Jeb Bush doesn't stand a chance. People are done with the old guard. I just hope another cocksucker selling change doesn't fool everyone this time.

[FORD]

Jeb Bush doesn't need to WIN an election. His idiot ass brother lost both of his, yet managed to illegally occupy the White House for 8 years anyway.

If the BCE decides they want back in, they will find a way to steal it. AGAIN.

Ironically enough, it's the shitty economy that might keep that from happening. The BCE is only interested in occupying the White House when they can loot the Treasury. They went too far in looting it when Chimpy was there, and now there's nothing left for them to steal.

[Nitro Express]

Ah Ford. The US Treasury was looted a long time ago by the Federal Reserve Bank. The US Treasury no longer issues dollars. It hasn't for 100 years. It just mints the coins and paper money. Most of the money is electronic and we the tax payer pay interest on every one issued.

[FORD]

More hypocritical than you know. The current prophet Thomas S. Monson is a huge Pepsi drinker.

Well, that's double-hypocrisy if he owns Coke stock!

When I briefly dated a Mormon chick years ago, she was ..... well, very religious about avoiding caffeine. We stopped at a convenience store for gas and some cold drinks on the road once. I was pumping the gas while she went in to to get the beverages. She comes out drinking a Barq's root beer. Which is a Coca-Cola product and the only root beer which contains caffeine.

I said "You know that has caffeine in it, right?"

She looked at me like I just accused her of committing mass murder. Literally speechless.....

I told her that Elohim wouldn't cast her into Outer Darkness over something like that. Besides, the church owns stock in the company, so she should just look at it as "keeping money in the Kingdom" or whatever.

On the other hand, I'm still trying to figure out why Utah was the only state where I've ever seen bottled water with caffeine in it. Which was great to have on the road trips.... at least the first bottle was, when it was cold. The second bottle, which I drank a couple hours later got warm in the car, and it was kinda nasty. I jokingly asked the cashier at Smith's grocery (presumably owned by descendants of Joe himself) how they could sell this stuff. The kid acted like he had never read the label. :biggrin:

[DONNIEP]

Ah Ford. The US Treasury was looted a long time ago by the Federal Reserve Bank. The US Treasury no longer issues dollars. It hasn't for 100 years. It just mints the coins and paper money. Most of the money is electronic and we the tax payer pay interest on every one issued.

We should have dissolved the Fed a long fucking time ago.

[Nitro Express]

We should have dissolved the Fed a long fucking time ago.

Yup. That's why the financial system is so out of whack. The money is based on nothing and all the decisions are made in secret and nobody can audit it. What's driving the stock market is funny money. That's why we have a rallying market and huge unemployment numbers. No reality.

[DONNIEP]

Yup. That's why the financial system is so out of whack. The money is based on nothing and all the decisions are made in secret and nobody can audit it. What's driving the stock market is funny money. That's why we have a rallying market and huge unemployment numbers. No reality.

Oh, there will be plenty of reality pretty soon. The interest on the debt is unsustainable. The dollar is on its last leg. And everybody is still running around saying "Gimme, gimme, GIMME!!!" Guess what? The "free" shit is gonna dry up pretty fucking quick and what do you think is gonna happen when 110 MILLION people suddenly ain't getting their slice of the Welfare Pie? They sure as hell ain't gonna just go out and look for a job.

[Nitro Express]

Well, that's double-hypocrisy if he owns Coke stock!

When I briefly dated a Mormon chick years ago, she was ..... well, very religious about avoiding caffeine. We stopped at a convenience store for gas and some cold drinks on the road once. I was pumping the gas while she went in to to get the beverages. She comes out drinking a Barq's root beer. Which is a Coca-Cola product and the only root beer which contains caffeine.

I said "You know that has caffeine in it, right?"

She looked at me like I just accused her of committing mass murder. Literally speechless.....

I told her that Elohim wouldn't cast her into Outer Darkness over something like that. Besides, the church owns stock in the company, so she should just look at it as "keeping money in the Kingdom" or whatever.

On the other hand, I'm still trying to figure out why Utah was the only state where I've ever seen bottled water with caffeine in it. Which was great to have on the road trips.... at least the first bottle was, when it was cold. The second bottle, which I drank a couple hours later got warm in the car, and it was kinda nasty. I jokingly asked the cashier at Smith's grocery (presumably owned by descendants of Joe himself) how they could sell this stuff. The kid acted like he had never read the label. :biggrin:

There's no church commandment on not drinking caffeinated soda pop. Some of the more extreme members think it's the same as coffee or tea. Lot's of people in the church administrative building drink caffeinated soda pop at their desks.

[Nitro Express]

Oh, there will be plenty of reality pretty soon. The interest on the debt is unsustainable. The dollar is on its last leg. And everybody is still running around saying "Gimme, gimme, GIMME!!!" Guess what? The "free" shit is gonna dry up pretty fucking quick and what do you think is gonna happen when 110 MILLION people suddenly ain't getting their slice of the Welfare Pie? They sure as hell ain't gonna just go out and look for a job.

Most the debt is owed to the Federal Reserve. Who do you think is arming all the government agencies? They know their shell game is coming to an end. So they are just going to take the real assets by force. This is why the domestic police state has been built. It's the Fed behind it all. It's funny money anyways. It didn't cost them much to issue it.

The scam is you print money from nothing. Loan it at interest. Loan enough to where the country can't pay. Take the real assets by force. The Fed's enforcer overseas has been the CIA and US Military. Of course it all ties in with the International Monetary Fund and World Bank.

The problem is we don't have anyone in office in Washington that wants to do anything about it.

The welfare pie people are expendable. Might be useful to put in a civilian defense force. Maybe. That's work though ya know.

[Satan]

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[Satan]

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[DONNIEP]

Did anybody even bother to list in this thread the 16 types of birth control that Hobby Lobby covers at 100%?

[Nitro Express]

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At least the baptists won't be blamed this time.

[Nitro Express]

Did anybody even bother to list in this thread the 16 types of birth control that Hobby Lobby covers at 100%?

Frankly I could care less about this shit. Someone paste some nice tits to cheer Dog up.

[DONNIEP]

Here, I'll list what Hobby Lobby pays for, 100%:

Male condoms
Female condoms
Diaphragms with spermicide
Sponges with spermicide
Cervical caps with spermicide
Spermicide alone
Birth-control pills with estrogen and progestin (“Combined Pill)
Birth-control pills with progestin alone (“The Mini Pill)
Birth control pills (extended/continuous use)
Contraceptive patches
Contraceptive rings
Progestin injections
Implantable rods
Vasectomies
Female sterilization surgeries
Female sterilization implants

[ELVIS]

Who cares ??

Hobby Lobby sucks...

[DONNIEP]

So I can go to work at Hobby Lobby and they'll pay for all the rubbers I need. Or, if I was a chick, they'd pay for the pill. Which is the most common form of female contraception on the motherfucking planet. PLUS - they'll pay for me to get a vasectomy? (which will never happen because I got all this superior DNA to spread around) And, if I'm a chick, they'll pay for me to get my tubes tied??? What more do you people want?

[DONNIEP]

Who cares ??

Hobby Lobby sucks...

Where else can you buy Astronaut Ice Cream???

[Nitro Express]

So I can go to work at Hobby Lobby and they'll pay for all the rubbers I need. Or, if I was a chick, they'd pay for the pill. Which is the most common form of female contraception on the motherfucking planet. PLUS - they'll pay for me to get a vasectomy? (which will never happen because I got all this superior DNA to spread around) And, if I'm a chick, they'll pay for me to get my tubes tied??? What more do you people want?

Exactly. Just be glad they gave you a fucking job in this economy. Insurance used to be a benefit. It was an extra that some employers threw in. Usually to entice employees to work for them when various employers competed over employees. It was something added in to sweeten the deal.

The negotiation on what your employer provides should be between you and the employer. If you want more and aren't getting it well maybe you don't have the skills and work experience to justify the extra pay. Yeah. That's right. benefits are a form of pay. We don't need the government involved here. Especially a government that breaks it's own laws like crazy.

[Nitro Express]

If I'm gay will Hobby Lobby buy my anal lube?

[Satan]

Where else can you buy Astronaut Ice Cream???

Amazon. Those fuckers sell everything

http://www.amazon.com/American-Outdoor-Products-Astronaut-Cream/dp/B00005C2M2

[Nitro Express]

Do they sell crack? This dude refused to do business with me. Now we know where Ed gets his hats from.

[DONNIEP]

Insurance used to be a benefit.

Not any more. Now it's a right. Keep in mind that Hobby Lobby pays for the two most commonly used forms of contraceptives at 100%.

This country is so fucked up that most people expect companies to pay for every form of birth control on the planet at 100%. Never mind that those same people would scream bloody murder if their employer tried to control what they do at home. They don't want their employers, or the gubment, to have their noses in their homes but they expect the gubment and their employer to wrap their cocks in rubbers and shove pills down their throats to keep them from getting pregnant?

[Satan]

If I'm gay will Hobby Lobby buy my anal lube?

Hell no. They won't even sell you more than two different colors of yarn at the same time, because they would be afraid you would knit something with a rainbow on it!

http://st.depositphotos.com/1343351/879/v/950/depositphotos_8798817-Knitted-rainbow-flag.jpg

[Nitro Express]

Let's see. Full time jobs with benefits are now temporary jobs with no benefits. Or jobs have now been outsourced. Ah shit. Fuck the employers. Just have the government own everything and distribute what is needed. It worked so well in the Soviet Union and Mao's China.

[Nitro Express]

When people have tizzies over hobby stores and chicken sandwich restaurants, when it creates a huge fuss you know ol' George was right. Circling the drain.

[DONNIEP]

When people have tizzies over hobby stores and chicken sandwich restaurants, when it creates a huge fuss you know ol' George was right. Circling the drain.

And this is the whole point. Hobby Lobby pays for the most common forms of birth control on this whole damn planet. But that isn't good enough. And you know what? Fuck every single person who says it ain't good enough. I've never once had my employer help pay to keep me from knocking some chick up. If I'm not mistaken, that should fall under the whole "personal responsibility" umbrella. But it can't fall under that umbrella because almost everybody in this country expects everything they want to be FREE! But they don't want their employer sending them for a sleep study to make sure their O2 saturation is high enough because that's too "invasive". Well, America, you can't have it both ways.

If you want your employer to ensure that the sperm of some dude you decide to fuck doesn't impregnate you then you should allow your employer to come hang out in your house. Every motherfucking day of your life. I am so sick of people expecting either the gubment or their employers to take care of every aspect of their lives but not wanting them to intrude on their lives. You can't have it both ways, you stupid fucking idiots.

[Nitro Express]

Well said. I raise my glass to you! Be careful of what you wish for. There are people who want to be involved in every aspect of your life. Let them into your life and you will always be sorry later.

[Satan]

There's a bit of a difference between a pack of condoms that you can pick up at the 7-11 on the corner and prescrption pills or a IUD device, or whatever.

The prescriptions or the implant devices are the things that would cost more money, and should be covered by a health care plan. Apparently Hobby Lobby doesn't have any problem paying for boner pills or vasectomies though, so that's why they come off as religiously bigoted sexist assholes here.

[ELVIS]

No, that would be you...

[DONNIEP]

There's a bit of a difference between a pack of condoms that you can pick up at the 7-11 on the corner and prescrption pills or a IUD device, or whatever.

The prescriptions or the implant devices are the things that would cost more money, and should be covered by a health care plan. Apparently Hobby Lobby doesn't have any problem paying for boner pills or vasectomies though, so that's why they come off as religiously bigoted sexist assholes here.

So Hobby Lobby doesn't cover the pill? I'm pretty sure they do.

[DONNIEP]

There's a bit of a difference between a pack of condoms that you can pick up at the 7-11 on the corner and prescrption pills or a IUD device, or whatever.

The prescriptions or the implant devices are the things that would cost more money, and should be covered by a health care plan. Apparently Hobby Lobby doesn't have any problem paying for boner pills or vasectomies though, so that's why they come off as religiously bigoted sexist assholes here.

And they don't pay for a chick to have her tubes tied?? I'm pretty sure that's covered on the list.

[Nitro Express]

The whole Hobby Lobby issue is the owners of the company refused to pay for drugs and devices that kill fetuses. They are not against funding birth control that eliminates pregnancy. Also, there are parts of Obamacare that contradict a religious freedom law signed by Bill Clinton. I see it this way. The company owners think they are responsible for killing babies if they fund procedures or drugs that kill fetuses. It's their belief. Now if we are going to go that way well then let's force kosher food producers to put pork in their products. The attitude is we don't care what you believe. The government knows better and we are going to get into your business and life and do a better job of running it than you. That's the attitude I see. It used to be about freedom to pursue your own happiness and we used to celebrate that. It's about choices. Nobody is holding a gun to your head to work at Hobby Lobby. Go somewhere else if you don't like what they are offering. You are free to do so. Well for the moment. If we keep going the way we are that choice might be lost.

Hobby Lobby pays twice the minimum wage and apparently provides benefits. That's all overlooked because there is a trend today to set people off on an emotional hysteria using the media to set that bullshit off and then try and get people to shut up and go along due to social pressure. Fuck that and fuck the people stirring the witch's kettle. It's a whole lot of bitching over nothing. Obama wanted to raise the minimum wage. This company pays double the minimum wage and didn't need Obama to do it.

[ELVIS]

Well said...

Your post (as well as the entire thread) exposes how FORD, and people like him, are cheerleaders for big government, big government regulation, big government healthfraud, big government intrusion, big government education, and big government control of you and me...

To HELL with that...

[Satan]

What a steaming load of dragonshit. http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/teufel/d095.gif

[ELVIS]

No, it's true...

You think the federal government should take care of everything under the sun...

I think the opposite...

[DONNIEP]

Gimme some rubbers!! I'm feelin' frisky!

[ELVIS]

Don't get Angel all upset...

[Seshmeister]

No, it's true...

You think the federal government should take care of everything under the sun...

I think the opposite...

The sun should take care of the federal government...?

[ELVIS]

Hey, I'm sure both you and FROD think the sun is there because of some collective government grant...

Or that the sky is blue and the sea is green...

Though the so called environmentalists will soon change that...

[Anonymous]

Religious people are nutters & corporations are sucking the life out of society.

Old news.

And the Hobby Lobby thing is old news, too.

I'm gonna shave my balls, TTFN.

Cheers! :beers:

[Satan]

https://scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t1.0-9/10494823_934116866615387_4010795764031243992_n.png

I wonder if my former colleague Michael the Archangel owns this chain?

[DONNIEP]

You need to call him and tell him to lower the damn prices. Michael's is higher than camel cock.

[Anonymous]

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I wonder if my former colleague Michael the Archangel owns this chain?

Until they come face to face with a decision... money or their employees?

Guess what they'll choose?

Man, if a store that I usually go to fucks up, & another store tries to get the former's customers as greedily & shamelessly as these guys are doing, I'd go to yet another store. One that doesn't get involved in this kind of shit.

Ah, what the fuck am I saying? I once, just for kicks, decided to experiment & not buy anything from China. Didn't last a day. No matter what I purchase, no matter where I purchase, I turn the thing around, look at the label, & there it is. Made in China. Heh. Those kids are fucked. It's impossible to boycott for their sake.

Cheers! :beers:

[Satan]

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/imgs/2014/140703-well-that-didnt-take-long.jpg

[DONNIEP]

Ah, Obama hands out exemptions like a crack dealer at a middle school.