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ELVIS
07-14-2014, 02:27 PM
InfoWars (http://www.infowars.com/okc-bombing-surveillance-tapes-may-be-released/)

A new lawsuit by Utah attorney Jesse Trentadue may result in the release of video footage showing what happened at the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995.

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Last week Trentadue sent an Oklahoma City news station several documents. One revealed an FBI agent had offered to sell NBC Dateline surveillance footage of the terrorist attack that killed 168 people for over a million dollars.

In 2011 the FBI told Trentadue it could not find surveillance videotapes from the bombing and would not continue looking for them.

Trentadue sued the FBI and the CIA in an effort to get video taken by exterior cameras on the Murrah building and dashboard camera video from the Oklahoma Highway Patrol’s arrest of Timothy McVeigh, who was executed after a conviction in the case.

The FBI claimed electronic databases and searches of FBI crime labs, evidence centers and a warehouse in Oklahoma City had not turned up the records. The agency said continuing the search would be “unreasonably burdensome” and would take a single staff person more than 18 months to conduct, according to court papers.

The FBI explanation is “nothing but more of the same institutionalized dishonesty, deception and disrespect for the Constitution,” Trentadue wrote in an email to the Associated Press.

Trentadue believes his brother was mistakenly identified by federal authorities as an accomplice in the bombing and he was killed during an interrogation. Timothy McVeigh said authorities thought Kenneth Trentadue was Richard Guthrie, a white supremacist bank robber allegedly involved in the plot to attack the federal building in Oklahoma City.

Guthrie is said to have committed suicide a few days before he was to testify against one of his bank robbery gang accomplices.

A previous lawsuit by Trentadue revealed a role played by the FBI in the bombing.

“During the process of his lawsuit, Trentadue was able to receive documents with names blacked out that show the FBI’s OKC bombing informants were conducting armed robberies with Timothy McVeigh in order to fund the construction of the fertilizer bomb used in the attack on the federal building,” Paul Joseph Watson and Alex Jones wrote on February 22, 2007. “The documents also show that McVeigh called Elohim City two days before the bombing asking for help. Four months before the bombing, an FBI informant told his superiors of the attack plan and said that the Alfred P. Murrah building had been scouted.”

In 2004, a declassified FBI memo obtained by an Oklahoma newspaper revealed the existence of a Southern Poverty Law Center informant connected to the Elohim City operation. “References to an informant working for the SPLC at Elohim City on the eve of the Oklahoma City bombing raises serious questions as to what the SPLC might know about McVeigh’s activities during the final hours before the fuse was lit in Oklahoma City – but which the SPLC has failed to disclose publicly, the newspaper reported.

Additional FOIA documents establish the fact the FBI was working with the SPLC. An unclassified copy of a memorandum marked “From the Director of the FBI” contains several references to an FBI undercover operation at Elohim City before the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building and also mentions the SPLC informant.

“If I told you what we were doing there, I would have to kill you,” Morris Dees of the Southern Poverty Law Center told reporters.




:elvis:

FORD
07-14-2014, 02:43 PM
What about the surveillance tapes from the Pentagon on 9/11/01.

Those are the ones I want to see..........

ELVIS
07-14-2014, 02:46 PM
Then stop pushing your pussy liberal progressive garbage and start demanding answers...

Nitro Express
07-14-2014, 05:14 PM
What about the surveillance tapes from the Pentagon on 9/11/01.

Those are the ones I want to see..........

Talk to any experienced air liner pilot. Flying into the Pentagon that low with that large of a jet would be close to impossible for an experienced pilot. Also the engine thrust that close to the ground would have torn up things leaving a trail leading to the Pentagon. No torn up trees, shrubs, signs, or grass where there. It was either hit with a missile or a bomb went off.

Lot's of holes in the 9/11 official story if you talk to experienced airline pilots.

Baby's On Fire
07-14-2014, 05:49 PM
Talk to any experienced air liner pilot. Flying into the Pentagon that low with that large of a jet would be close to impossible for an experienced pilot. Also the engine thrust that close to the ground would have torn up things leaving a trail leading to the Pentagon. No torn up trees, shrubs, signs, or grass where there. It was either hit with a missile or a bomb went off.

Lot's of holes in the 9/11 official story if you talk to experienced airline pilots.

And yet, when Alex Jones states these exact things, everyone dismisses him as a nut.

FORD agrees with Alex Jones on almost everything, and yet FORD calls Alex a nut.

Alex Jones is the fucking man. Period.

I don't like his religious bullshit that he spews. And not every single mass shooting is a false flag. But otherwise he is spot on with almost everything, and extremely savvy about what really goes on in the World.

FORD used to tell everyone the BCE hacked his computer. Yet he calls Alex Jones a conspiracy nut......

FORD
07-14-2014, 05:59 PM
See, that's the thing.....

I used to listen to Alex Jones on occasion. But he went way the fuck off the cliff the day that Obama was elected.

I have my own issues with the Obama administration. Serious issues. But it's over things they have actually done. Or things they promised to do, and didn't even fucking try, so they can't blame it all on the most obstructionist asshole congress in history.

But Alex Jones goes way beyond that. FEMA death camps. Plastic coffins. Every single fucked up violent event is a "false flag" (despite that about half of them can be traced right back to his own fan club, like these recent cop killing teabag imbeciles in Vegas).

He's gone completely mental. And I don't think it's the Tangy Tangerine. But it might be a black guy in the White House........

Nitro Express
07-14-2014, 06:17 PM
Also go in the cockpit of a large jet. Even if you had a razor sharp box cutter and cut the pilot's throat. Blood would spray all over the instruments. Then try and get the dead body out of the the seat which actually has to move back so you can shoe yourself into it. All the pilot would have to do is to nose the plane down. Anyone without a seat belt on leaves the floor because the plane experiences a short period of weightlessness. Then pull back on the stick This will slam anyone floating in the air hard on the floor. If it doesn't kill them they won't be in very good shape to carry out their plans.

ELVIS
07-14-2014, 06:31 PM
Every single fucked up violent event is a "false flag" (despite that about half of them can be traced right back to his own fan club, like these recent cop killing teabag imbeciles in Vegas).



Only pussies lie...

Baby's On Fire
07-14-2014, 06:47 PM
And yet, when Alex Jones states these exact things, everyone dismisses him as a nut.

FORD agrees with Alex Jones on almost everything, and yet FORD calls Alex a nut.

Alex Jones is the fucking man. Period.

I don't like his religious bullshit that he spews. And not every single mass shooting is a false flag. But otherwise he is spot on with almost everything, and extremely savvy about what really goes on in the World.

FORD used to tell everyone the BCE hacked his computer. Yet he calls Alex Jones a conspiracy nut......

Alex Jones is nothing near a racist. I think he is way over the top with the false flags. But if you set that aside, the guy is extraordinarily astute and aware of what really goes on. You cannot deny that. I think he is an ultra-libertarian (which is not a bad thing) and thus the hate of Obama. But he hates the Pukes too.

Alex Jones is bang on the money with his talk of globalism, the illuminati, the pharmaceutical scam, GMOs, etc.

FORD...You and Alex agree on almost everything....particularly those things non-political (GMOs, pharmaceutical scams, the lies of the cancer "medical" industry). You guys are spitting images in that regard.

FORD
07-14-2014, 06:48 PM
Only pussies lie...

Believe Jone$ denials all you want. I posted the evidence FROM HIS OWN FUCKING WEBSITE which proved those two teabagging imbeciles were card carrying members of the Infowhores cult.

Baby's On Fire
07-14-2014, 06:57 PM
Believe Jone$ denials all you want. I posted the evidence FROM HIS OWN FUCKING WEBSITE which proved those two teabagging imbeciles were card carrying members of the Infowhores cult.

Alex Jones has millions of listeners. So one of the MIGHT be a member on his chat site.

That makes Alex guilty?

You must be guilty too. Because you AGREE with Alex on almost everything.

So maybe you're the guy behind the false flags, by that logic?

You continue to erode any credibility you may have.

You just admitted above, that you were an Alex Jones listener, until Obama got elected, and Alex doesn't like Obama

That says a whole lot more about you, than it does about Alex. And not in a good way.

Nickdfresh
07-14-2014, 09:01 PM
Talk to any experienced air liner pilot. Flying into the Pentagon that low with that large of a jet would be close to impossible for an experienced pilot. Also the engine thrust that close to the ground would have torn up things leaving a trail leading to the Pentagon. No torn up trees, shrubs, signs, or grass where there. It was either hit with a missile or a bomb went off.

Lot's of holes in the 9/11 official story if you talk to experienced airline pilots.

When have you talked to an "experienced airline pilot?"

You have to have shrubs and trees in front of the fucking Pentagon for them to be knocked over to begin with...

Nickdfresh
07-14-2014, 09:02 PM
And yet, when Alex Jones states these exact things, everyone dismisses him as a nut.

...

No, some dismiss him as a fat fucking fucktard that profits off the deaths of others with unsupportable assertions for gullible shitheads and is completely disingenuous about it...

Nickdfresh
07-14-2014, 09:17 PM
When have you talked to an "experienced airline pilot?"

You have to have shrubs and trees in front of the fucking Pentagon for them to be knocked over to begin with...

OOoohhhhHHhhhhh!!!!

Look at all the beautiful, pristine gardens in front of the Pentagon!!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/The_Pentagon_January_2008.jpg

Nitro Express
07-14-2014, 09:39 PM
When have you talked to an "experienced airline pilot?"

You have to have shrubs and trees in front of the fucking Pentagon for them to be knocked over to begin with...

I talked to one yesterday. My sister married one. That engine thrust would tear the ground up pretty good as well.

Nitro Express
07-14-2014, 09:41 PM
Believe Jone$ denials all you want. I posted the evidence FROM HIS OWN FUCKING WEBSITE which proved those two teabagging imbeciles were card carrying members of the Infowhores cult.

You can get an Infowhores cult card?

ELVIS
07-14-2014, 11:57 PM
In FROD's world you can, I guess...

Seshmeister
07-15-2014, 08:39 PM
OOoohhhhHHhhhhh!!!!

Look at all the beautiful, pristine gardens in front of the Pentagon!!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/The_Pentagon_January_2008.jpg

General Dodonna: Well, the Empire doesn't consider a small one-man fighter to be any threat, or they'd have a tighter defense. An analysis of the plans provided by Princess Leia has demonstrated a weakness in the battle station. But the approach will not be easy. You are required to maneuver straight down this trench and skim the surface to this point. The target area is only two meters wide. It's a small thermal exhaust port, right below the main port. The shaft leads directly to the reactor system. A precise hit will start a chain reaction which should destroy the station. Only a precise hit will set off a chain reaction. The shaft is ray-shielded, so you'll have to use proton torpedoes.

Wedge Antilles (Red 2): That's impossible! Even for a computer.

Luke: It's not impossible. I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home, they're not much bigger than two meters.

General Dodonna: Sorry made a mistake did I say 2 metres? No the target is 600 fucking thousand metres square. Also you don't need to shoot it just hit it. Forgot to also mention it's shaped as a big fucking pentagon, you can't possibly miss it.

Nickdfresh
07-15-2014, 08:46 PM
I talked to one yesterday. My sister married one. That engine thrust would tear the ground up pretty good as well.

What if they flew over one of the parking lots? And knocked over a lamppost instead?
http://911review.org/brad.com/pentagon/lightpoles/Pentagon_Lamppost_L.JPG

I hope your pilot in law doesn't enjoy too many pre-flight martinis... :)

Nickdfresh
07-15-2014, 08:51 PM
And why is it that the "gubber'mint" would use two missiles to hit WTC Tower I and the Pentagon, but a real airliner for the middle strike? Just one of the many ways the conspiracy speculation actually makes much less sense the the "official story"...

ELVIS
07-15-2014, 09:01 PM
Believe Jone$ denials all you want. I posted the evidence FROM HIS OWN FUCKING WEBSITE which proved those two teabagging imbeciles were card carrying members of the Infowhores cult.

That's a lie...

FORD
07-15-2014, 09:09 PM
If the Death Star had been a 4 story building on flat ground, rather than a big ball in space, Luke Skywalker never would have made that shot either.

FORD
07-15-2014, 09:12 PM
That's a lie...

The Hell it is. I posted the shit directly from the InfoWhores website. Or an archive of the InfoWhores website, in one case, since the asshole's "fictional" story of blowing cops heads apart with 50 caliber rifles was even too extreme for Jones to associate himself with.

Nickdfresh
07-15-2014, 09:13 PM
If the Death Star had been a 4 story building on flat ground, rather than a big ball in space, Luke Skywalker never would have made that shot either.


OOoohhhhHHhhhhh!!!!

Look at all the beautiful, pristine gardens in front of the Pentagon!!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/The_Pentagon_January_2008.jpg

Yeah Ford! How could anyone have hit this tiny spec of a building? ;)

ELVIS
07-15-2014, 09:15 PM
The Hell it is. I posted the shit directly from the InfoWhores website. Or an archive of the InfoWhores website, in one case, since the asshole's "fictional" story of blowing cops heads apart with 50 caliber rifles was even too extreme for Jones to associate himself with.

So signing up to a website makes them card carrying members of a cult ??

FORD
07-15-2014, 09:16 PM
Well, an X-Wing is a bit more maneuverable than a Boeing 757, of course. But there's still the matter of a ridiculously inexperienced pilot, flying way too close to the ground.

FORD
07-15-2014, 09:18 PM
So signing up to a website makes them card carrying members of a cult ??

Most of the shit those two wackjobs had all over their own websites were verbatim Jones talking points. All that bullshit about Sandy Hook and Boston being "false flags setup by the commie Kenyan socialist ******", for example.

ELVIS
07-15-2014, 09:21 PM
The percentages of people who believe those are both false flags is very high...

Count me as one of them...

Nickdfresh
07-15-2014, 09:23 PM
The percentages of retards is very high...

Count me as one of them...

Fixed :)

FORD
07-15-2014, 09:46 PM
The percentages of people who believe those are both false flags is very high...

Count me as one of them...

So you believe bullshit like that without a shred of supporting evidence, but deny man made global climate change after having a literal front row seat to two of the biggest man made environmental disasters in history within half a decade of each other.

Yeah, that's logical.......

ELVIS
07-15-2014, 09:57 PM
Not a shred of evidence ??

BTW, storms are not indicative of climate change...:biggrin:

DONNIEP
07-15-2014, 10:03 PM
I thought "weather" and "climate change" were independent of one another. At least that's what I keep hearing here all the time. Of course, if you live in the Sahara Desert, your "weather" and "climate" are pretty closely linked. Or not, depending on who you listen to.

Nitro Express
07-16-2014, 02:34 AM
So you believe bullshit like that without a shred of supporting evidence, but deny man made global climate change after having a literal front row seat to two of the biggest man made environmental disasters in history within half a decade of each other.

Yeah, that's logical.......

Man made weather disasters? You don't believe in that HARP shit do you?

Nitro Express
07-16-2014, 02:44 AM
What if they flew over one of the parking lots? And knocked over a lamppost instead?
http://911review.org/brad.com/pentagon/lightpoles/Pentagon_Lamppost_L.JPG

I hope your pilot in law doesn't enjoy too many pre-flight martinis... :)

Looks like the car took the pole down. Look at the Pentagon and look where the light is. If the plane went into the Pentagon from the angle of where that downed light pole is the destruction on the building would have been at a angle instead of straight in.

Also it's impossible for an aluminum airplane to punch through that much concrete. The biggest density would be the engines. How come there isn't any damage where the engines were?

Talk to some retired heavy aircraft pilots and see how easy it would be to fly a large passenger aircraft on the same approach and speed and perfectly hit the side of the Pentagon. It might have been an airplane but not a large passenger craft.

To hit the Pentagon at the angle it got hit the bottom of the engines were probably 15 feet above the ground. You can't fly a large Boeing that low at 400 miles an hour due to the air cushion effect. It's impossible. Plus engines running that hard that low would make one hell of a mess on the ground tearing all sorts of stuff up.

Nitro Express
07-16-2014, 02:54 AM
You might listen to this.

ELVIS
07-16-2014, 08:25 AM
You don't believe in that HARP shit do you?

I do, but I doubt those storms were part of the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program...

Nickdfresh
07-17-2014, 11:06 AM
Looks like the car took the pole down.

I'm not sure where you got your cartoon physics degree from. But what part of the car hit the pole? The windshield? Maybe it was a controlled demolition? :)


Look at the Pentagon and look where the light is. If the plane went into the Pentagon from the angle of where that downed light pole is the destruction on the building would have been at a angle instead of straight in.

How do you know it wasn't?


Also it's impossible for an aluminum airplane to punch through that much concrete. The biggest density would be the engines. How come there isn't any damage where the engines were?

Should it have bounced off and done a belly flop? It was only several tonnes traveling at 400 mph. Of course it wouldn't make a dent, silly!...


Talk to some retired heavy aircraft pilots and see how easy it would be to fly a large passenger aircraft on the same approach and speed and perfectly hit the side of the Pentagon...

You first...


To hit the Pentagon at the angle it got hit the bottom of the engines were probably 15 feet above the ground. You can't fly a large Boeing that low at 400 miles an hour due to the air cushion effect. It's impossible. Plus engines running that hard that low would make one hell of a mess on the ground tearing all sorts of stuff up.

So, you're saying it's impossible for planes to crash because they're protected by a magical cushion of air preventing them from hitting the ground or landing? Makes perfect sense! And in the history of air crashes, every plane's engine(s) was 15' from the ground at one point. :)

Nickdfresh
07-17-2014, 11:07 AM
I do, but I doubt those storms were part of the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program...

Maybe it was Jesus' magical farts?

Nickdfresh
07-17-2014, 11:08 AM
You might listen to this.

Or maybe not. :)

ELVIS
07-17-2014, 11:12 AM
Maybe it was Jesus' magical farts?

Jesus is not a magician...

Kristy
07-17-2014, 11:17 AM
Jesus is not a magician...

You're right. Jesus is a fairly tale.

Nickdfresh
07-17-2014, 11:23 AM
Jesus is not a magician...

I didn't say he was, just that his farts were magical potpourri. Geez! Don't you read the Bible, Elvis?

Nickdfresh
07-27-2014, 08:10 PM
Man seeks video of 1995 Oklahoma City bombing

AP 5 hr ago By TIM TALLEY of Associated Press (http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/man-seeks-video-of-1995-oklahoma-city-bombing)

What some consider a far-flung conspiracy theory will be at the forefront during a trial set to begin Monday in Salt Lake City. The Freedom of Information Act lawsuit was brought by Salt Lake City attorney Jesse Trentadue against the FBI. He says the agency won't release security camera videos that show a second person was with Timothy McVeigh when he parked a truck outside the Oklahoma City federal building and detonated a bomb, killing 168 people. The government claims McVeigh was alone.

Unsatisfied by the FBI's previous explanations, U.S. District Judge Clark Waddoups has ordered the agency to explain why it can't find videos from the bombing that are mentioned in evidence logs, citing the public importance of the tapes.

Trentadue believes the presence of a second suspect in the truck explains why his brother, Kenneth Trentadue, was flown to Oklahoma several months after the bombing, where he died in a federal holding cell in what was labeled a suicide. His brother bore a striking resemblance to the police sketch that officials sent out after the bombing based on witness descriptions of the enigmatic suspect "John Doe No. 2," who was the same height, build and complexion. The suspect was never identified.

"I did not start out to solve the Oklahoma City bombing, I started out for justice for my brother's murder," Jesse Trentadue said. "But along the way, every path I took, every lead I got, took me to the bombing."

The FBI says it can't find anything to suggest the videos exist, and says it would be "unreasonably burdensome" to do a search that would take a single staff person more than 18 months to conduct.

Jesse Trentadue's belief that the tapes exists stems from a Secret Service document written shortly after the bombing that describes security video footage of the attack that shows suspects — in plural — exiting the truck three minutes before it went off.

A Secret Service agent testified in 2004 that the log does, in fact, exist but that the government knows of no videotape. The log that the information was pulled from contained reports that were never verified, said Stacy A. Bauerschmidt, then-assistant to the special agent in charge of the agency's intelligence division.

Several investigators and prosecutors who worked the case told The Associated Press in 2004 they had never seen video footage like that described in the Secret Service log.

The FBI has released 30 video recordings to Trentadue from downtown Oklahoma City, but those recordings don't show the explosion or McVeigh's arrival in a rental truck.

If he wins at trial, Trentadue hopes to be able to search for the tapes himself rather than having to accept the FBI's answer that they don't exist.

Kathy Sanders and Jannie Coverdale, who both lost grandchildren in the bombing, are grateful for Trentadue's pursuit of the case. Sanders said she's been waiting 19 years to see the tapes.

"It is worth pursuing," Coverdale said. "I know there was somebody else. I have never stopped asking questions."

But former Oklahoma Rep. Susan Winchester, whose sister, Dr. Margaret "Peggy" Clark, was killed in the bombing, said she is satisfied that officials have identified everyone responsible for the bombing.

"I was very comfortable with the decisions that came out of the federal and state trials," Winchester said. "I have reached that point in my life where I can continue."

Jesse Trentadue's mission began four months after the bombing when his brother died at the U.S. Bureau of Prisons' Federal Transfer Center in Oklahoma City. Kenneth Trentadue, 44, a convicted bank robber and construction worker, was brought there after being picked up for probation violations while coming back to the U.S. at the Mexican border, Jesse Trentadue said.

His death was officially labeled a suicide. But his body had 41 wounds and bruises that his brother believes were the result of a beating. In 2008, a federal judge awarded the family $1.1 million in damages for extreme emotional distress in the government's handling of the death, but the amount was reduced to $900,000 after an appeal.

Jesse Trentadue's best guess about the motive is that his brother died in an interrogation gone wrong by investigators demanding information Kenneth Trentadue didn't have.

Jesse Trentadue filed the Freedom of Information Act lawsuit in 2008.

Going toe-to-toe with the federal government has come at a personal price for Jesse Trentadue, 67, who says he's lost time with his children and wife that he can't recover.

But he has no regrets, fueled by his love for his brother. Just three years apart, the two shared a bed, hunted coons together and played on the same sports teams growing up in a coal camp in West Virginia.

Their paths diverged as adults — Jesse becoming an attorney while Kenneth fell into drugs and crime — but the brotherly bond never broke. Before his death, Kenneth Trentadue had overcome his heroin addiction and had a newborn baby at home in San Diego, Jesse Trentadue said. The brothers spoke by phone from jail the night before his death, with the two discussing how he would soon be out.

"What I learned growing up in the coal fields is that you fight even when you know you can't win," he said. "Because you have to make a stand on some things. Justice for my brother is certainly one of them."

____

McCombs reported from Salt Lake City. Follow Brady McCombs at https://twitter.com/BradyMcCombs

ELVIS
07-27-2014, 09:32 PM
Don't you read the Bible, Elvis?

Every day...

Several times a day, in fact...