Stop Funding NASA, Because The Aliens Are All Going to HELL Anyway!!

[FORD]

Creationist Ken Ham: Stop Funding NASA Because Aliens are Going to Hell
Eric Trommater
Liberalland (http://www.alan.com/2014/07/22/creationist-ken-ham-stop-funding-nasa-because-aliens-are-going-to-hell/)
July 22, 2014

Young Earth creationist Ken Ham has a new cause: cutting off funding for NASA.

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I’m shocked at the countless hundreds of millions of dollars that have been spent over the years in the desperate and fruitless search for extraterrestrial life. Even Bill Nye “the Science Guy,” in our recent debate, happily gloated about tax dollars being spent toward this effort. And now, secular scientists are at it again….

And I do believe there can’t be other intelligent beings in outer space because of the meaning of the gospel. You see, the Bible makes it clear that Adam’s sin affected the whole universe. This means that any aliens would also be affected by Adam’s sin, but because they are not Adam’s descendants, they can’t have salvation. One day, the whole universe will be judged by fire, and there will be a new heavens and earth. God’s Son stepped into history to be Jesus Christ, the “Godman,” to be our relative, and to be the perfect sacrifice for sin—the Savior of mankind.

Ham is the founder of Kentucky’s Creation Museum which is known for it’s advocacy of a 6,000 year old Earth and depictions of dinosaurs and humans living side by side. He made headlines early this year after a debate with Bill Nye the Science Guy which some of his supporters called a victory or a draw but was mostly seen as an embarrassment by evangelical community leaders such as Pat Robertson who debunks Ham in this video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=I37wUKtX810

[DONNIEP]

Ken Ham ain't gettin' into Hogwartz when he dies...

[Kristy]

What's religion when it comes to oil?

[ELVIS]

Someone needs to tell this guy The Flinstones are fake TV cartoon characters...

Much like Krusty's fake gender...

[ZahZoo]

NASA's mission is space exploration not searching for extraterrestrial life... What an idiot.

The US government stopped funding to SETI back in 95.

[Kristy]

I'll take fake gender over being a fake Christian any day.

Time for your medicine, troll.

[DONNIEP]

NASA's mission is space exploration not searching for extraterrestrial life... What an idiot.

The US government stopped funding to SETI back in 95.

NASA's mission should be to build us some fuckin' Millennium Falcons! They're always crying about needing funding, they build ONE Millennium Falcon and the nerd dollars would flow in by the truck loads.

[DONNIEP]

What's religion when it comes to oil?

More is better.

[ELVIS]

NASA's mission is space exploration...

Hahahaha...

Got any more jokes ??

[DONNIEP]

I thought it was Muslim Outreach

[vandeleur]

Adams sin affected the whole universe , seems harsh for one apple and a bit o strip poker :)

[Satan]

Actually, we DO get aliens in Hell once in a while. I keep the Vogons around strictly for their poetry readings. Now that is torment! http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/teufel/d025.gif


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrIrcV9Bgmc

[DONNIEP]

Adams sin affected the whole universe , seems harsh for one apple and a bit o strip poker :)

I think it was a Pomegranate

[Kristy]

Vogans must have went emo

[vandeleur]

See that stills seems harsh , if god had of popped in and found Adam sticking it up Eve's wrong un.
I would say ok that's worth the whole universe :)

[Satan]

I think it was a Pomegranate

Damn right it was! You think I would break out the snake suit and go to all that trouble over a boring old apple?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrIrcV9Bgmc

[Nitro Express]

NASA's mission is space exploration not searching for extraterrestrial life... What an idiot.

The US government stopped funding to SETI back in 95.

In the old days it was demons and angels. Now it's good aliens and bad aliens. It used to be church's. Now it's UFO cults. Heaven's Gate drank the Kool Aid. The Billy Meir cult think they know it all and hey, pay us your money and give us your children. It's all the same shit.

I will believe as soon as I see an alien and frankly, I don't have to look to outer space to find weird, scary shit.

[Nitro Express]

I think people have lost interest in space exploration. Mars looks like the Arizona desert. The moon is just one desolate ugly place. I mean who wants to go colonize these shit holes? People will get very interested the day the probe sends footage of hot naked women frolicking in a natural paradise.

[DONNIEP]

I think people have lost interest in space exploration. Mars looks like the Arizona desert. The moon is just one desolate ugly place. I mean who wants to go colonize these shit holes? People will get very interested the day the probe sends footage of hot naked women frolicking in a natural paradise.

Will they be wearing too much make up, have big hair, and smell of Orange California Coolers and Marlboro Lites? Because I'm ready to lauch a shuttle right now!

[Seshmeister]

NASA's mission is space exploration not searching for extraterrestrial life... What an idiot.

The US government stopped funding to SETI back in 95.

It's getting a lot of funding from Paul Allen these days one of the Microsoft founders.

It's a bit pointless though picking out just a single fact that the creationist museum moron is wrong about.

[VetteLS5]

It's getting a lot of funding from Paul Allen these days one of the Microsoft founders.

It's a bit pointless though picking out just a single fact that the creationist museum moron is wrong about.

True. It's a bit of a grown up version of a little child not wanting to give up his binkie. Enough already... maybe we can all agree that Hay-Zeus was a real guy, and a real nice, kind, caring, visionary guy to boot. But dinosaurs walking with men? Are you serious? Anybody else have a dog over 90 lbs.? You'd be up to your ears in dino-shit and worrying about being trampled all the time whilst simultaneously trying to pull the old "quest for fire" maneuver on our own personal Rae Dawn Chong. No way the human race survives or evolves past that.

[Nitro Express]

Will they be wearing too much make up, have big hair, and smell of Orange California Coolers and Marlboro Lites? Because I'm ready to lauch a shuttle right now!

I never liked the smell of Marlboros but if she smells like Winston Ultra Lights I'm popping to Pluto!

[Nitro Express]

There's a missing chapter of the bible that the Catholic church purposefully left out. It's where Adam gets in a flying saucer and has massive group sex with a bunch of green bitches. He knocks them all up and they shit out babies and those babies fucked each other and then populated other planets.

[ashstralia]

Lulwat? :)

Anyways... The 'SETI at home' project has been active for as long as sciencey nerds have had computers and an innernet conxion.

There's a dude here who runs an all sky survey every night. And it doesn't matter if it's cloudy, cause of X-rays and infra red.

These massive gamma ray bursts which contain unimaginable amounts of power and data in a one tenth of a second blast!! That's how a far advanced civilisation would communicate. We're just dumb primates and haven't quite figured it out yet.

[Anonymous]

True. It's a bit of a grown up version of a little child not wanting to give up his binkie. Enough already... maybe we can all agree that Hay-Zeus was a real guy, and a real nice, kind, caring, visionary guy to boot. But dinosaurs walking with men? Are you serious? Anybody else have a dog over 90 lbs.? You'd be up to your ears in dino-shit and worrying about being trampled all the time whilst simultaneously trying to pull the old "quest for fire" maneuver on our own personal Rae Dawn Chong. No way the human race survives or evolves past that.

Debunking religious bullshit with logical arguments is about as smart as coming up with reasons why Sandy Claws & Donald Duck can't exist.

You may think you're being so smart, but any sensible person would just look at you funny.

Sesh debunks god & Jesus with science all the time & just look at him. Is that how you want to end up?

Cheers! :beers:

[Seshmeister]

Lulwat? :)
These massive gamma ray bursts which contain unimaginable amounts of power and data in a one tenth of a second blast!! That's how a far advanced civilisation would communicate. We're just dumb primates and haven't quite figured it out yet.

They would still take many years to reach us though as gamma rays are limited to the speed of light.

Plus would they not try and talk down a bit to any emerging civilizations so that we could understand in the same way we would when talking to a small child or Ken Ham?

I've always been a bit conflicted with the whole SETI thing anyway. Making contact with a more advanced civilization never worked out well for anyone on Earth like the Native Americans, Aztecs, Aborigines etc...

[Anonymous]

They would still take many years to reach us though as gamma rays are limited to the speed of light.

Plus would they not try and talk down a bit to any emerging civilizations so that we could understand in the same way we would when talking to a small child or Ken Ham?

I've always been a bit conflicted with the whole SETI thing anyway. Making contact with a more advanced civilization never worked out well for anyone on Earth like the Native Americans, Aztecs, Aborigines etc...

They didn't have bacon.

They tried writing mathematical formulas in the dirt, but the aliens have different symbols & much more advanced calculations, so they figured it was naked monkeys playing around in the dirt.

Bust out a few rashes on the frying pan, let the sight, sound & smell invade the invaders sense & hey, presto! Instant galactic peace.

As soon as they taste it, they'll give us anything we want. Even many breasted ladies.

Cheers! :beers:

[ELVIS]

Plus would they not try and talk down a bit to any emerging civilizations so that we could understand in the same way we would when talking to a small child or Ken Ham?



That's exactly what God is trying to do, but you wont listen...

[Seshmeister]

http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/aliens-are-sinners/you-are-here/

To paraphrase Carl Sagan: in one unremarkable galaxy among hundreds of billions, there is an unremarkable star among hundreds of billions of stars in that one galaxy. Around that star revolves a world with life. Some people who live on that world believe they are the center of the universe.

http://theness.com/neurologicablog/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/You-are-here-300x225.jpg

Sagan nicely puts into perspective how absurd it is to believe, given our current knowledge of the cosmos, that we are the center of all things, either physically at the literal center, or metaphorically as in, we are the most important things in the universe. This is a childish view, held by our ancestors because they couldn’t know any better. Science, as Stephen Gould noted, is partly a process of smashing pillars of human narcissism. Neither the earth, nor our sun, nor our galaxy are at the center of the universe. The universe, it turns out, has no center. Neither are humans at the pinnacle of the evolutionary tree – we are just one twig, and every other twig has just as much evolutionary history behind it as we do.

Humans are certainly the most encephalized species on the planet, with by far the most advanced culture and technology, so we are special in that sense. Every time, however, scientists believe they have nailed down something that is unique about humans, some researcher finds that chimps (our closest cousins), or even other species, can do it too. We are part of the animal kingdom, part of this physical world, the result of natural processes that seem ubiquitous throughout the universe.

This view of the universe and ourselves, a view that has been hard won over centuries of ego-smashing scientific discoveries, is very different from the world view held by herders and farmers living thousands of years ago. Yet, that primitive, prescientific, egocentric, and tiny world view still holds sway over many people living today.

Take Ken Ham (please) – he recently wrote a post in which he attacks the modern scientific world view as a “desperate” and “secularist” attempt to prove evolution in order to rebel against God. It is a little window into the mind of extreme fundamentalists.

Even in his speculations about the motivations of scientists, he believes that it is all about him and his religious beliefs. He equates scientists and secularists, as if they are defined by rejecting his religious faith. He thinks it is all about rebelling against his God, rather than simply discovering the nature and state of the universe.

He also thinks were are still trying to prove evolution, when in fact evolution is already an established scientific fact.

Ham writes:

You see, according to the secular, evolutionary worldview there must be other habited worlds out there. As the head of NASA, Charles Borden, puts it, “It’s highly improbable in the limitless vastness of the universe that we humans stand alone.” Secularists cannot allow earth to be special or unique—that’s a biblical idea (Isaiah 45:18). If life evolved here, it simply must have evolved elsewhere they believe.

Clearly he thinks that scientists are rejecting a biblical idea, rather than accepting what the science tells us – that there is no reason to think that the earth is unique.

Reading creationists write on such topics also gives me the impression that they have never tried to wrap their minds around how truly big the universe is. As was said in the movie Contact, if this is all for us, it seems like an awful waste of space. There are hundreds of billions of galaxies each with hundreds of billions of stars, many with planets, including earth-like planets. That is just in the part of the universe we can observe, but there’s much more.

We do get a (sort of) prediction from Ham:

And I do believe there can’t be other intelligent beings in outer space because of the meaning of the gospel. You see, the Bible makes it clear that Adam’s sin affected the whole universe. This means that any aliens would also be affected by Adam’s sin, but because they are not Adam’s descendants, they can’t have salvation. One day, the whole universe will be judged by fire, and there will be a new heavens and earth. God’s Son stepped into history to be Jesus Christ, the “Godman,” to be our relative, and to be the perfect sacrifice for sin—the Savior of mankind.

This does make me wonder what will happen if we do contact intelligent aliens. What will the Ken Hams of the world believe – that they are demons, that they are not truly self-aware, that they are damned to human hell? If we one day have relations with an alien civilization, will we have to deal with fundamentalists and their bizarre beliefs that aliens can’t exist, or that God will one day wipe out their entire civilization for the salvation of earth?

When the authors of the bible wrote their fables, they believed the earth was the entire universe, and everything in the sky was close and revolved about the earth. Ham is trying to apply that primitive world view to the universe as we now understand it, with all its vastness. The result is beyond absurd.

Ham does not think we should be investing in looking for extraterrestrial life, writing:

I’m shocked at the countless hundreds of millions of dollars that have been spent over the years in the desperate and fruitless search for extraterrestrial life.

This is a good example of primitive and firmly held beliefs squashing curiosity and exploration.

[vandeleur]

:)


http://youtu.be/ET1-_PeExMs

[ELVIS]

Yet, that primitive, prescientific, egocentric, and tiny world view still holds sway over many people living today.



That's right, and if you let the one true living God into your life, He can expand that tiny view beyond your wildest dreams...

You'll find there's much more than the five senses can ever begin to tell you...


:elvis:

[ELVIS]

When the authors of the bible wrote their fables, they believed the earth was the entire universe, and everything in the sky was close and revolved about the earth.

Link ??




























That's right, there is no link for such hogwash....:biggrin:

[vandeleur]

Urban the 8 sent Galileo to clink and forced him to deny his findings for saying just that ......
Will spell that for you it's a fact and it's spelt history . You silly billy you keep forgetting about it :)

[vandeleur]

That's right, and if you let the one true living God into your life, He can expand that tiny view beyond your wildest dreams...

You'll find there's much more than the five senses can ever begin to tell you...


:elvis:

Is one of those senses a common one :)

[FORD]

I never got the conflict between creationism and life on other planets in the first place. Hell, even when I believed primarily in creationism myself, I never saw the point of God creating billions of planets and only populating ONE. I guess back then I just figured the other planets had their own Adams & Eves.

[Seshmeister]

That's right, and if you let the one true living God into your life, He can expand that tiny view beyond your wildest dreams...

You'll find there's much more than the five senses can ever begin to tell you...


:elvis:

I agree we don't only have 5 senses, it's closer to something between 14 and 20. Apparently it was Aristotle that classified it as 5.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/question242.htm

It's pretty ironic that you are constantly typing onto the internet information that is 2000 years out of date. :)

[FORD]

Link ??

That's right, there is no link for such hogwash....:biggrin:


Joshua 10:12-13
Then spoke Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the men of Israel; and he said in the sight of Israel, "Sun, stand thou still at Gibeon, and thou Moon in the valley of Aijalon." And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stayed in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day.

Psalms 19:4-6
yet their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has set a tent for the sun, which comes forth like a bridegroom leaving his chamber, and like a strong man runs his course with joy. Its rising is from the end of the heavens, and its circuit to the end of them; and there is nothing hid from its heat.

1 Chronicles 16:30
tremble before him, all earth; yea, the world stands firm, never to be moved.


Psalms 93:1
The Lord reigns; he is robbed in majesty; the lord is robbed, he is girded with strength. Yea, the world is established; it shall never be moved.


Psalms 96:10
Say among the nations, "The Lord reigns! Yea, the world is established, it shall never be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity."

Isaiah 14:12-13
"How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star*, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! You said in your heart, 'I will ascend to heaven; above the stars of God I will set my throne on high; I will sit on the mount of assembly in the far north;


Daniel 8:10
It grew great, even to the host of heaven; and some of the host of the stars it cast down to the ground and trampled upon them.

Matthew 24:29
Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken;


Mark 13:25
and the stars will be falling from heaven, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.

Revelation 6:13
and the stars of the sky fell to earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale;


* curious that this translation uses "Day Star" instead of Lucifer. Daystar is the name of a "Christian" cable network. Guess now we know who they are really working for? :devildance:

[PETE'S BROTHER]

I guess back then I just figured the other planets had their own Adams & Eves.

and castle boutiques and spencer's ?

[vandeleur]

First rule of fight club ,someone calls you on your shit , go to another thread :D

[Kristy]

That's exactly what God is trying to do, but you wont listen...

*lifts leg and farts*

[FORD]

and castle boutiques and spencer's ?

Well, one would hope the more advanced alien civilizations had moved past Spencers by now. I avoid the mall at all when I can help it, but even the two or three times a year that I need to go there, I haven't set foot in Spencers in well over a decade. Once all their gag gifts became cheap Chinese crap, I didn't really see the point.

Hopefully the alien civilizations knew better than to sign bullshit "trade agreements" like NAFTA, CAFTA, & SHAFTA.

[Nitro Express]

*lifts leg and farts*

Farts sound louder if you don't lift your leg and just blow it under your ass cheeks. Of course don't push the fart too hard. You may shit your pants.

[Nitro Express]

Well, one would hope the more advanced alien civilizations had moved past Spencers by now. I avoid the mall at all when I can help it, but even the two or three times a year that I need to go there, I haven't set foot in Spencers in well over a decade. Once all their gag gifts became cheap Chinese crap, I didn't really see the point.

Hopefully the alien civilizations knew better than to sign bullshit "trade agreements" like NAFTA, CAFTA, & SHAFTA.

They can't get rid of Spencers. Where would Gene Simmons sell his shit?

[PETE'S BROTHER]

I avoid the mall at all when I can help it,

malls suck balls

[Nitro Express]

When I want to learn about the deep mysteries. I listen to Telly Savalas.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

They can't get rid of Spencers. Where would Gene Simmons sell his shit?

the wife just brought a fishnet malaysian made body stocking thing home from spencers, no kiss logo i could find ;)

[Anonymous]

When I want to learn about the deep mysteries. I listen to Telly Savalas.

A bit of Telly makes turns any thread into a grate thread. Even this one.

Cheers! :beers:

[FORD]

the wife just brought a fishnet malaysian made body stocking thing home from spencers, no kiss logo i could find ;)

Yeah, but Chaim will probably buy them, attach a KISS logo to them and then re-sell them. Much like the majority of the KISSology video box sets are the same bootlegs that have been circulating for years, now branded with the official KISS stamp, and unlike most "official" band releases, doesn't seem to have much "remastering" done.

[ELVIS]

You can only polish a turd so much...

[ashstralia]

They would still take many years to reach us though as gamma rays are limited to the speed of light.

Plus would they not try and talk down a bit to any emerging civilizations so that we could understand in the same way we would when talking to a small child or Ken Ham?

I've always been a bit conflicted with the whole SETI thing anyway. Making contact with a more advanced civilization never worked out well for anyone on Earth like the Native Americans, Aztecs, Aborigines etc...

Valid points. I'm imagining beings millions or even billions of years more advanced than us may have solved the pesky light speed problem, and perhaps learned not to self annihilate. Food for thought though, hope I'm still alive when confirmation that we're not alone happens.

[vandeleur]

I have always had a upsetting thought , perhaps super volcanoes constantly changing environmental conditions , asteroids , scientific fuck ups , exploding stars , a universal equation that says once you hit this point in your evolution you blow your self up . That maybe in the infinite universe we are the fucking lucky exception .

So wouldn't it be nice if we stopped being so keen to join the rest .

What if we are it , and we still didn't appreciate it .

[SunisinuS]

You are such a rock-star.

SunisinuS.

Outta Space

[vandeleur]

You are such a rock-star.

SunisinuS.

Outta Space

I think you might be right :)

[ashstralia]

What if we are it , and we still didn't appreciate it .

This is philosophy gold, mate. We are it, and I, for one, fucking appreciate it. :)

[Warham]

I'm not even sure SETI is a good idea if aliens actually exist.

Who's to say they would be kind and gentle? Aliens wouldn't be flying around in the backwoods of the Milky Way Galaxy (which is where we are) for a joyride. Most likely they would kill or enslave all of us, use our planet for its natural resources, and then move on to their next victims. I'm sure that would drive the treehuggers crazy just before they are disintegrated by the aliens. :D

[Warham]

I never got the conflict between creationism and life on other planets in the first place. Hell, even when I believed primarily in creationism myself, I never saw the point of God creating billions of planets and only populating ONE. I guess back then I just figured the other planets had their own Adams & Eves.

What do you believe now, FORD? That life just spontaneously happened on millions of planets?

I'm not much of a Jesus man myself nowadays, but what are the odds of life happening on ONE big rock in even the right conditions? 1 billion to 1 would probably be too good of odds? Then expand that across the galaxy just for starters.

The Bible has a lot of bullshit in it, but atheists are morons too.

[Seshmeister]

If it were a billion to one there would still be a fuck of a lot of planets where it happened.

The Universe is really really really really big.

There are about 70 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 stars in the visible universe and most will have planets.

Knock off 9 zeroes for your billion to 1 and that's still 70 000 000 000 000!

And that's a lot of Jesus's...

[Warham]

If it were a billion to one there would still be a fuck of a lot of planets where it happened.

The Universe is really really really really big.

There are about 70 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 stars in the visible universe and most will have planets.

Knock off 9 zeroes for your billion to 1 and that's still 70 000 000 000 000!

And that's a lot of Jesus's...

My gut feeling is that there's probably very little advanced life in the universe, 99.999999999999% of it is probably of the amoeba level. We may very well be the pinnacle of evolution, for better or worse. If a civilization in our galaxy had a billion year head start on us, we would have probably been visited by now.

To be honest, I do believe in a creator of some kind, perhaps like a clockmaker.

[Seshmeister]

Who created your creator?

[TFM_Dale]

Who created your creator?

Bill Gates?

[ELVIS]

He's your creator too...

GOD is uncaused and uncreated...

God by definition is the uncreated creator of the universe...

Even if your question had an answer that satisfied you, you still would not believe...

God is real, he's just hidden from you because of your unbelief and complete lack of faith...

I have a real relationship with God, He talks to me and answers my prayers...

He gives me my life in surprises, exactly as His word says...

He's willing to do the same for you...

In fact He's anticipating it...


:elvis:

[Angel]

How many days to go now?

[ELVIS]

Not many...

Get on your knees before the Lord, your God the Father, and pray...

And know this parable:

"The Kingdom of Heaven is like leaven...

Which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal until it was all leavened."

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Not many...

Get on your knees before the Lord, your God the Father, and pray...

And know this parable:

"The Kingdom of Heaven is like leaven...

Which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal until it was all leavened."

c'mon, really?

[Warham]

Not many...

Get on your knees before the Lord, your God the Father, and pray...

And know this parable:

"The Kingdom of Heaven is like leaven...

Which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal until it was all leavened."

Cool story, bro. :D

[vandeleur]

My gut feeling is that there's probably very little advanced life in the universe, 99.999999999999% of it is probably of the amoeba level. We may very well be the pinnacle of evolution, for better or worse. If a civilization in our galaxy had a billion year head start on us, we would have probably been visited by now.

To be honest, I do believe in a creator of some kind, perhaps like a clockmaker.


Check out the blind watchmaker By Richard Dawkins

He addresses paley's watchmaker analogy .

Also will make you appreciate your eyes :biggrin:

[cadaverdog]

Who created your creator?
He came from a ball of gasses that just appeared one day, mixed together and exploded.