Why Rational People Buy Into Conspiracy Theories

[Seshmeister]

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Why Rational People Buy Into Conspiracy Theories

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By MAGGIE KOERTH-BAKER
Published: May 21, 2013 513 Comments

In the days following the bombings at the Boston Marathon, speculation online regarding the identity and motive of the unknown perpetrator or perpetrators was rampant. And once the Tsarnaev brothers were identified and the manhunt came to a close, the speculation didn’t cease. It took a new form. A sampling: Maybe the brothers Tsarnaev were just patsies, fall guys set up to take the heat for a mysterious Saudi with high-level connections; or maybe they were innocent, but instead of the Saudis, the actual bomber had acted on behalf of a rogue branch of our own government; or what if the Tsarnaevs were behind the attacks, but were secretly working for a larger organization?

Crazy as these theories are, those propagating them are not — they’re quite normal, in fact. But recent scientific research tells us this much: if you think one of the theories above is plausible, you probably feel the same way about the others, even though they contradict one another. And it’s very likely that this isn’t the only news story that makes you feel as if shadowy forces are behind major world events.

“The best predictor of belief in a conspiracy theory is belief in other conspiracy theories,” says Viren Swami, a psychology professor who studies conspiracy belief at the University of Westminster in England. Psychologists say that’s because a conspiracy theory isn’t so much a response to a single event as it is an expression of an overarching worldview.

As Richard Hofstadter wrote in his seminal 1965 book, “The Paranoid Style in American Politics,” conspiracy theories, especially those involving meddlesome foreigners, are a favorite pastime in this nation. Americans have always had the sneaking suspicion that somebody was out to get us — be it Freemasons, Catholics or communists. But in recent years, it seems as if every tragedy comes with a round of yarn-spinning, as the Web fills with stories about “false flag” attacks and “crisis actors” — not mere theorizing but arguments for the existence of a completely alternate version of reality.

Since Hofstadter’s book was published, our access to information has vastly improved, which you would think would have helped minimize such wild speculation. But according to recent scientific research on the matter, it most likely only serves to make theories more convincing to the public. What’s even more surprising is that this sort of theorizing isn’t limited to those on the margins. Perfectly sane minds possess an incredible capacity for developing narratives, and even some of the wildest conspiracy theories can be grounded in rational thinking, which makes them that much more pernicious. Consider this: 63 percent of registered American voters believe in at least one political conspiracy theory, according to a recent poll conducted by Fairleigh Dickinson University.

While psychologists can’t know exactly what goes on inside our heads, they have, through surveys and laboratory studies, come up with a set of traits that correlate well with conspiracy belief. In 2010, Swami and a co-author summarized this research in The Psychologist, a scientific journal. They found, perhaps surprisingly, that believers are more likely to be cynical about the world in general and politics in particular. Conspiracy theories also seem to be more compelling to those with low self-worth, especially with regard to their sense of agency in the world at large. Conspiracy theories appear to be a way of reacting to uncertainty and powerlessness.

Economic recessions, terrorist attacks and natural disasters are massive, looming threats, but we have little power over when they occur or how or what happens afterward. In these moments of powerlessness and uncertainty, a part of the brain called the amygdala kicks into action. Paul Whalen, a scientist at Dartmouth College who studies the amygdala, says it doesn’t exactly do anything on its own. Instead, the amygdala jump-starts the rest of the brain into analytical overdrive — prompting repeated reassessments of information in an attempt to create a coherent and understandable narrative, to understand what just happened, what threats still exist and what should be done now. This may be a useful way to understand how, writ large, the brain’s capacity for generating new narratives after shocking events can contribute to so much paranoia in this country.

“If you know the truth and others don’t, that’s one way you can reassert feelings of having agency,” Swami says. It can be comforting to do your own research even if that research is flawed. It feels good to be the wise old goat in a flock of sheep.

Surprisingly, Swami’s work has also turned up a correlation between conspiracy theorizing and strong support of democratic principles. But this isn’t quite so strange if you consider the context. Kathryn Olmsted, a historian at the University of California, Davis, says that conspiracy theories wouldn’t exist in a world in which real conspiracies don’t exist. And those conspiracies — Watergate or the Iran-contra Affair — often involve manipulating and circumventing the democratic process. Even people who believe that the Sandy Hook shooting was actually a drama staged by actors couch their arguments in concern for the preservation of the Second Amendment.

Our access to high-quality information has not, unfortunately, ushered in an age in which disagreements of this sort can easily be solved with a quick Google search. In fact, the Internet has made things worse. Confirmation bias — the tendency to pay more attention to evidence that supports what you already believe — is a well-documented and common human failing. People have been writing about it for centuries. In recent years, though, researchers have found that confirmation bias is not easy to overcome. You can’t just drown it in facts.

In 2006, the political scientists Brendan Nyhan and Jason Reifler identified a phenomenon called the “backfire effect.” They showed that efforts to debunk inaccurate political information can leave people more convinced that false information is true than they would have been otherwise. Nyhan isn’t sure why this happens, but it appears to be more prevalent when the bad information helps bolster a favored worldview or ideology.

In that way, Swami says, the Internet and other media have helped perpetuate paranoia. Not only does more exposure to these alternative narratives help engender belief in conspiracies, he says, but the Internet’s tendency toward tribalism helps reinforce misguided beliefs.

And that’s a problem. Because while believing George W. Bush helped plan the Sept. 11 attacks might make you feel in control, it doesn’t actually make you so. Earlier this year, Karen Douglas, a University of Kent psychologist, along with a student, published research in which they exposed people to conspiracy theories about climate change and the death of Princess Diana. Those who got information supporting the theories but not information debunking them were more likely to withdraw from participation in politics and were less likely to take action to reduce their carbon footprints.

Alex Jones, a syndicated radio host, can build fame as a conspiracy peddler; politicians can hint at conspiracies for votes and leverage; but if conspiracy theories are a tool the average person uses to reclaim his sense of agency and access to democracy, it’s an ineffective tool. It can even have dangerous health implications. For example, research has shown that African-Americans who believe AIDS is a weapon loosed on them by the government (remembering the abuses of the Tuskegee experiment) are less likely to practice protected sex. And if you believe that governments or corporations are hiding evidence that vaccines harm children, you’re less likely to have your children vaccinated. The result: pockets of measles and whooping-cough infections and a few deaths in places with low child-vaccination rates.

Psychologists aren’t sure whether powerlessness causes conspiracy theories or vice versa. Either way, the current scientific thinking suggests these beliefs are nothing more than an extreme form of cynicism, a turning away from politics and traditional media — which only perpetuates the problem.


Maggie Koerth-Baker is science editor at BoingBoing.net and author of “Before the Lights Go Out,” on the future of energy production and consumption.

[ELVIS]

No, the conspiracy is the mainstream information, not alternative news sites like Infowars...

And nobody I know of has ever said George Bush helped plan Sept. 11, that's a joke...

So, as usual, Seshticle the disinformation minister makes a sly attempt to lead people astray...

Next...

[Seshmeister]

It says 'rational'.

Not aimed at you...

[Seshmeister]

No, the conspiracy is the mainstream information, not alternative news sites like Infowars...

And nobody I know of has ever said George Bush helped plan Sept. 11, that's a joke...

So, as usual, Seshticle the disinformation minister makes a sly attempt to lead people astray...

Next...

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/12/25/341790/mossad-bush-planned-executed-911/


PressTV as well, top of a Google search that returned 2,130,000 results for 'George Bush Planned 9-11'.

Only 19 days left of having you make me look smart every day... :)

[ELVIS]

Michael Krieger (http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2012/07/17/ny-times-admits-mainstream-news-is-basically-censored-propaganda/)


Important article from the NY Times demonstrating how real journalism covering the criminal political elite in America is basically dead. Even better, is Glenn Greenwald’s article at Salon slamming the complete joke that is the mainstream media, and he shows us all exactly why alternative media is taking over. After all, only an incredible 21% of Americans have confidence in television news, a new low according to a recent Gallup poll.

Key quotes from the Greenwald article discussing the NY Times piece (both are worth reading):

A common criticism of establishment journalists entails comparing them to stenographers, on the ground that most of them do little more than mindlessly write down and uncritically repeat what government officials say. But stenography is a noble and important profession: they’re the court-licensed officers who, with astonishing speed and accuracy, transcribe the statements of all witnesses, lawyers and judges in judicial proceedings. If establishment journalists were to replicate actual stenography, it would be an improvement on most of the work they produce.

It is beyond dispute that President Obama and his aides have an extreme, even unprecedented obsession with concealing embarrassing information, controlling the flow of information, and punishing anyone who stands in the way. But, at least theoretically speaking, it is the job of journalists to impede that effort, not to serve and enable it. Agreeing to grant veto power over quotes — whereby officials can literally alter what they actually said, and then have newspapers report the doctored, inaccurate quotes — is about as journalistically subservient and reckless as it gets. It’s not merely stenography: it’s inept stenography. No actual, ethical stenographer would ever agree to that.

Agreeing to grant veto power over quotes — whereby officials can literally alter what they actually said, and then have newspapers report the doctored, inaccurate quotes — is about as journalistically subservient and reckless as it gets. It’s not merely stenography: it’s inept stenography. No actual, ethical stenographer would ever agree to that.

Quote approval is something that publicists and lawyers give to their clients (I promise not to attribute anything to you publicly without your advance consent); in other words, it’s reflective of a relationship between those in a service profession and those who are served. And that explains why establishment journalists provide this service to these political officials: because they serve them as spokespeople, not report on them adversarially.


:elvis:

[ELVIS]

Only 19 days left of having you make me look smart every day... :)

How does taking the bait every time make you look smart ??

You need to spend a few months away from the sauce...

[ELVIS]

It says 'rational'.

Not aimed at you...

I'm not rational...

I'm a child of the one true living God and a disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ...

I don't rationalize anything...

I detect truth wherever it's hidden...

[Von Halen]

I'm not rational...

I'm a child of the one true living God and a disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ...

I don't rationalize anything...

I detect truth wherever it's hidden...

I would say you're brainwashed, but in order to be brainwashed, you have to have a brain.

At least your tin foil hat isn't interfering with your brain waves.

[Seshmeister]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_NcC9QFxQiDY/TKNpnPQp9NI/AAAAAAAAADA/FvLHIUPceFk/s1600/elvis+sheep2.jpg

[Jesus Christ]

I'm not rational...

I'm a child of the one true living God and a disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ...

I don't rationalize anything...

I detect truth wherever it's hidden...

Oh, for Dad's sake, Gregory........

http://jerkfest.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/1307231985-crop-memorial-jesus-christ-facepalm-wallpaper.jpg

[ELVIS]

really, an Idol ??

Saddup Satan...

Get behind me...

And stop mocking the Lord...

[ELVIS]

I would say you're brainwashed, but in order to be brainwashed, you have to have a brain.

At least your tin foil hat isn't interfering with your brain waves.

How am I brainwashed ??

Maybe it's you that's brainwashed...

[Jesus Christ]

If Satan cast out Satan, how would his kingdom stand? Verily I say unto thee, Gregory, that thy reliance on the words of the false prophet Alexander of San Antonio hath really messed up thine head. :(

[ELVIS]

Stop making fun of the Lord, DAVE

DAVE

DAVE

See, I can do it too...

Fag...

[DONNIEP]

Stop making fun of the Lord, DAVE

DAVE

DAVE

See, I can do it too...

Fag...

Jesus is really Dave? Well who knew...

[Jesus Christ]

Jesus is really Dave? Well who knew...

Well, we are both Jewish, so we are likely distant cousins :jesuslol:

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Jesus is really Dave? Well who knew...

dave ain't here

[chefcraig]

If Satan cast out Satan, how would his kingdom stand? Verily I say unto thee, Gregory, that thy reliance on the words of the false prophet Alexander of San Antonio hath really messed up thine head. :(

I dunno...this more or les stands equally with that "Only time will tell if we pass the test of time" gobbledygook, purloined swill infested babble-speak from a so-called "musical talent" and self-styled Jimmy Buffett rip off. :yo:

[ELVIS]

Well, we are both Jewish, so we are likely distant cousins :jesuslol:

Jesus Christ Was Not A Jew: (http://israelect.com/reference/WillieMartin/ChristNotAJew.htm) Does this shock you? We certainly hope it does. For it is time that Christians woke up to the fact that they have been brainwashed by the Jews with the "big lie technique" to the falsehood that Christ was a Jew.

We ask you now, to set aside all prejudice in the matter and as God states in the Bible, "Come let us reason together." (Isaiah 1:18)

There are two ways that a person can be a Jew; racially (which means a cross between the descendants of Esau and True Israelites ‑ There is Edom [Esau is called Edom in Genesis 36:8. And Edom is in 'Modern Jewry' Jewish Encyclopedia, 1925 edition, Vol. 5, p. 41) or religiously. Let us now see whether Christ fits either of these categories.

Ninety‑five percent of the people that we know as Jews today, are mongrels; they are a product of the amalgamation of many races. The majority of the Jews are Asiatics, of Mongolian, stock, the descendants of the tribes of Khazars of Russia who accepted Judaism in 740 A.D.

They are the descendants of Cain; No racial Jew is an Israelite. That's right, we repeat, NO RACIAL JEW IS AN ISRAELITE. The Bible itself identifies the Jews as the seed of Cain thereby identfying Satan as their father. (John 8:44)

Christ said to the Jews, in the 23rd chapter of Matthew, verses 33‑35: "You serpents, you generation (race) of vipers, how can you escape the damnation of hell? Wherefore behold I send you a prophet, wise men and scribes and some of them you shall kill and crucify and some of them yuo shall scourge in your synagogues and persecute them from city to city that upon you may come all the righteous blood that has ever been shed upon the earth from the blood of righteous Abel" (Note that carefully).

Here Christ is saying to the Jews that they are guilty of the murder of Abel. Jesus could not have said this unless the Jews were/are the descendants of Cain. Christ goes on to say: "Unto the blood of Zacharias, son of Brachias who you slew between the temple and the alter." It's very plan! And it's in your Bible.

Christ said to the Jews "You are guilty of the death of righteous Abel because you rfather Cain murdered him." It is also well for you to note here that Jesus further blames these Jews for all the deaths of righteous people from the beginning of time right down to this day. This is not a statement of man but of our Redeem, our King, our Savior.

Christ never lied and spoke only the truth; every word contained in the sixty‑six books of the Bible is the Word of Almighty God. Are the Jews then God's Chosen People as some "fogbound, lying, deceiving, Judeo‑Chrisian Clergy" would have us believe? Far from it! Rather than being God's Chosen People, they are Satan's Children! Let us turn for proof of this, to the eighth chapter of John the 42nd verse. The Jews have just said to Christ, we are God's Chosen People, God is our Father. Christ did not answer the Jews the way ninety‑nine percent of our Judeo‑Christian preachers would do today. Rather, He said in the 42nd vers, "If God were your Father you would love me for I proceeded forth and came from God. Neitherdid I come of myself, but He sent Me. Why is it that you do not understand my speech. It is because yuo cannot hear my words." (Read carefully the 44th verse) where Christ said to the Jews, "Ye are of your father the devil and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning and abode not in the truth because there is no truth in him. When he speaks oa lie, he speaks of his own for he is a liar and the father of it."

The Word "Jew"

A Jew is a person whose religion is Jew‑dah‑ism (Judaism). The word Jew is not found in the original texts of the Scriptures, but in many English Bibles the word is an incorrect rendering of the latin word Judaeus, the Greek word Ioudaios, and the Hebrew word Yehudi. Although not found in either the Hebrew or the Greek Scriptures, the word Jew is an English rendering most often incorrectly translated from Yahudah, that is, referring to one belonging to one of the tribes of Israel (Yisrael) called Yahudah (Judah), a Yahudite. The word Jews, the plural of the word Jew, is incorrectly translated most often from the word Yahudim (descendants of the tribe of Yahudah).

The letter 'J' was not in general use until after the 17th century as used in many Bibles for the word 'Jew' to substitute for the correct word Yahudite, or Yahudim. In some English Bibles we have received the word Juda, also an error in translation because the word derives from the Greek Iudaios, which in the English would be Judaios. Judaios was none other then a Greek diety (see W.H. Roscher's lexicon of mythology).

As used in the Scriptures, the word 'Jew' is sometimes translated to refer to a Yudean (Judean) a native or inhabitant (which includes many diverse races and people groups living in the region) of Yudea (Judea). As the word 'American' includes many diverse peoples living in the Country called 'America'. The word very often refers to an advocate or adherent to the religion of the Yahudim, (Judaism), or it may in a few cases refer to a literal descendant of Abraham, Issac, Jacob/Israel, one of the descent of the tribe of Yahudah (Judah).

In present day generic usage, the word has no relationship to the Hebrew or the Greek translated words in the Old or New Covenant Scriptures, and is associated primarily through an adherent or advocate of Jew‑dah‑ism (Judaism) the religion, but not through ethnics or race. Basically, a Jew is anyone who decides to call himself/herself a Jew. Within Jewish Circles, there are two other official ways one can become a Jew. One can be born from a mother who calls herself a Jew, or one can 'convert' to become a Jew. (A convert is called a ger which literally means stranger). Being born a Jew is pretty simple. If one's mother is Jewish (of the Jewish religion) then he/she is considered a Jew, if one's mother is not of the Jewish religion, then neither is the child officially a Jew. (It doesn't matter what the father is).

Modern Jew‑dah‑ism began about 1000 AD, and is traced to Rabbenu Gershon of Mainz, Germany the 'Father' of the Ashkenazi Jews, which constitute approximately 90% of the worlds Jews. Modern Jew‑dah‑ism is not the Scriptural worship system of the Yahudim of the Scriptures.

Jews do not actively encourage conversion; to a large degree they discourage it. This is the reason Jews have never had missionaries trying to convert non‑Jews. They want the convert but the convert must be 100% committed to being a Jew. Discouraging conversion helps to filter out those 'lacking the proper degree' of commitment.

If the non‑Jew still wants to become a Jew, the male is circumcised. After he is healed, he immerses himself in a mikva. A mikva is a special pool of water which is used for many religious purposes in the religion of the Jews. (It must be made according to very specific rules). A female convert only has to immerse herself.

The term 'Jew', has come to be used synonymous with the term 'Israel, Israelite', however, this is error. Scriptural Israelites were never called Jews, (Yahudim), unless they were so associated by their religion. Most modern Jews are not of the tribe of Yahudah (Judah), and are not 'Israelites.' They are called Jew(s) because of their religion, Jew‑dah‑ism (Judaism).

Jew, Ashkenazi (Franco‑German, Eastern and Central European Jews)

After the Northern Kingdom of Israel was conquered by the Assyrian King Shalmaneser V, in 745‑722 BCE, (for their sin before Yahweh), the Israelites were exiled into (Assyria), 2 Kings 17:5‑7. They prospered during the years in Assyria, and became a huge number of people. Outgrowing the land area they eventually migrated North through the 'Caucasus Mountains', and into central and Western Europe forming the European Nations, and are known as Caucasians 'whites.' As these Israelites migrated they influenced many people groups, no longer having an organized religious priesthood, and not having a nation or national identity, these migrating people, descendants of Jacob/Israel nevertheless passed on their bits and pieces of the ancient Scriptural worship system which was corrupted through their many years of captive living in pagan Assyria. During the 7th century A.D. these bits and pieces of the corrupt worship system became a form of Jew‑dah‑ism and was embraced by the Khazar King, his court, and the Khazar military class, who are descendants of Ashkenaz. This new religion of Jew‑dah‑ism, became the religion of the Khazars, and forms most of modern cultic European Jewry.

In common parlance the present day 'Jew' is synonymous with the 'Ashkenazi Khazar Jew'. Scripture refers to the Ashkenaz in Gen. 10:3, and in I Chron. 1:6, as one of the sons of Gomer, who was a son of Japheth, son of Noah. Ashkenaz is also a brother of Togarmah (and a nephew of Magog) who the Kazars, according to King Joseph, (of the Kazars) claimed as their ancestor. The people who refer to themselves as Ashkenazi Jews are not Israelites, and they are not Semites because they do not descend from Noah's son Shem. They are Ashkenazi Khazar Jews, who descend from Noah's son Japheth. Approximately 85‑90 percent of the Jews in the world call themselves Ashkenazi Jews.

Present‑day Jew‑dah‑ism, was formally formed into it's basic cultic form about 1,000 years ago, (according to the Jews), when ‑ Rabbenu Gershon of Mainz, Germany, published a ban on bigamy. This marks the recorded beginning of the Ashkenazi Jews*, and Franco‑German halachic** creativity. The word 'Ashkenazi' is not Hebrew for the word Germany, although the name has become 'associated' with Germany because many Ashkenazi Jews organized in Russia, Eastern Europe and Western Mongolia.

*Ashkenazi ‑ (Franco‑German, Eastern and Central European Jews). **halachic ‑ loose 'interpretations' of Old Testament laws

Jew, Sephardim (Spanish Jews)

After the Northern Kingdom of Israel was conquered by the Assyrian King Shalmaneser V, in 745‑722 BCE, (for their sin before Yahweh), The Israelites were exiled into (Assyria), 2 Kings 17:5‑7. The King then imported people groups from his country (Assyria) to replace the exiled Israelites to maintain and control the land of the exiles. The Sepharvaim were one of these people groups, along with Cuthahites, Arrahites, 2 Kings 17:24. They mingled with each other, along with Edomites, who had migrated Northward from Idumea (field of Edom), after Israel and the Yahudim (Judeans) were exiled. Adad and Anu were ancient gods of Babylonia and were also the gods of these pagan Sepharvaim people. The Sephardim Yudeans (Judeans) are a mongrel people whose descent is directly from a mixture of this Assyrian people group and the remnant of escaped Yudeans (Judeans) along with Edomites who had migrated into the land originally occupied by the Kingdom of Israel and the kingdom of Yahudah (Judah). This made their religion also of mixed character, 2 Kings 17:24‑41.

The people known as "Spanish Jews," are descended from the Canaanites, the people who colonized Carthage. Following its sack by Rome, they adopted this Sepharvaim, or Sephardim name for deceptive purposes and constitute 5% of world Jewry today. The Sephardim Jews speak Latino, a mixture of Spanish and Hebrew. The Sephardim Jews migrated West through Egypt, then North into Spain from Judea and Samaria before, during, and after the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 CE,. This migration became known as the "Jewish 'Sephardim' Diaspora". Today, these Sephardim Jews are still using their ancient adopted name Sephardim (the spelling is a transliteration into English and not of significance). They settled in Spain, Portugal, the Eastern Mediterranean, Italy, the Balkans, Salonica and Macedonia, eventually emigrating into France and England, and Western Europe.

The Sepharviam Yudeans (Judeans) were known as Samaritans during the time of Messiah, because they were living in Samaria, which was the area from which Israel was removed by the Assyrian King Shalmaneser V. The twelve apostles during the time if Messiah, were instructed not to enter the cities of the Samaritans, Matt. 10:5. Although the True Israelites of tribal descent, living in Samaria did received the witness of Yahshua and the message of redemption from the apostles, Acts, 1:8. Some of the mixed Samaritans also became proselytes to the Christian faith, Acts 8:4‑25.

The Sephardim Jews, (or Sepharviam Jews) are not of Israelite blood; they are not of the tribe of Yahudah although they were called Yudeans, 'Judeans', as an inhabitant, i.e. person living in the land originally occupied by the tribe of Yahudah of Israel). Their descent is mixed from Edom/Esau Canaanite stock. The Sephardim Jews, like the Ashkenazi Khazar Jews are not a Semitic people. The word Sephardim is not a Hebrew word for Spain, although the name has become 'associated' with Spain because many Sephardim Jews organized in Spain.

Jew‑dah‑ism, (modern 'Judaism')

Jew‑dah‑ism, is a cultic (ritual‑istic) religion which originated approximately 1000 CE, and is traced to Rabbenu Gershon of Mainz Germany through the publishing of his 'halachic creativity' (interpretation of Old Covenant laws), he thereby established the beginning of the modern cultic religion of Jew‑dah‑ism. Today the religion is also greatly influenced by the Babylonian Talmud, an ancient Pagan ritual‑listic system of various extreme opinions, interpretations, codes, rules, and regulations.

The modern cultic religion of Jew‑dah‑ism has nothing in common with the Scriptural Cultic system of worship which was completely destroyed by Messiah as a religious system in 70 CE at the destruction of Yerushalayim (Jerusalem), Herod's Temple, and through the establishment of the New Covenant through Yahshua Messiah. Christianity, as a religious system of Faith, replaced the ancient system of Cultic (ritual‑istic) sacrificial worship.



:elvis:

[Kristy]

Conspiracy theories also seem to be more compelling to those with low self-worth, especially with regard to their sense of agency in the world at large. Conspiracy theories appear to be a way of reacting to uncertainty and powerlessness.

That Trollvis in a nut(house)shell.


For more info on how severely mentally ill they truly are:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200909/field-guide-the-conspiracy-theorist-dark-minds

[ELVIS]

dave ain't here

That would be "Dave's not here."

[DONNIEP]

Jesus Christ Was Not A Jew: (http://israelect.com/reference/WillieMartin/ChristNotAJew.htm) Does this shock you? We certainly hope it does. For it is time that Christians woke up to the fact that they have been brainwashed by the Jews with the "big lie technique" to the falsehood that Christ was a Jew.

We ask you now, to set aside all prejudice in the matter and as God states in the Bible, "Come let us reason together." (Isaiah 1:18)

There are two ways that a person can be a Jew; racially (which means a cross between the descendants of Esau and True Israelites ‑ There is Edom [Esau is called Edom in Genesis 36:8. And Edom is in 'Modern Jewry' Jewish Encyclopedia, 1925 edition, Vol. 5, p. 41) or religiously. Let us now see whether Christ fits either of these categories.

Ninety‑five percent of the people that we know as Jews today, are mongrels; they are a product of the amalgamation of many races. The majority of the Jews are Asiatics, of Mongolian, stock, the descendants of the tribes of Khazars of Russia who accepted Judaism in 740 A.D.

They are the descendants of Cain; No racial Jew is an Israelite. That's right, we repeat, NO RACIAL JEW IS AN ISRAELITE. The Bible itself identifies the Jews as the seed of Cain thereby identfying Satan as their father. (John 8:44)

Christ said to the Jews, in the 23rd chapter of Matthew, verses 33‑35: "You serpents, you generation (race) of vipers, how can you escape the damnation of hell? Wherefore behold I send you a prophet, wise men and scribes and some of them you shall kill and crucify and some of them yuo shall scourge in your synagogues and persecute them from city to city that upon you may come all the righteous blood that has ever been shed upon the earth from the blood of righteous Abel" (Note that carefully).

Here Christ is saying to the Jews that they are guilty of the murder of Abel. Jesus could not have said this unless the Jews were/are the descendants of Cain. Christ goes on to say: "Unto the blood of Zacharias, son of Brachias who you slew between the temple and the alter." It's very plan! And it's in your Bible.

Christ said to the Jews "You are guilty of the death of righteous Abel because you rfather Cain murdered him." It is also well for you to note here that Jesus further blames these Jews for all the deaths of righteous people from the beginning of time right down to this day. This is not a statement of man but of our Redeem, our King, our Savior.

Christ never lied and spoke only the truth; every word contained in the sixty‑six books of the Bible is the Word of Almighty God. Are the Jews then God's Chosen People as some "fogbound, lying, deceiving, Judeo‑Chrisian Clergy" would have us believe? Far from it! Rather than being God's Chosen People, they are Satan's Children! Let us turn for proof of this, to the eighth chapter of John the 42nd verse. The Jews have just said to Christ, we are God's Chosen People, God is our Father. Christ did not answer the Jews the way ninety‑nine percent of our Judeo‑Christian preachers would do today. Rather, He said in the 42nd vers, "If God were your Father you would love me for I proceeded forth and came from God. Neitherdid I come of myself, but He sent Me. Why is it that you do not understand my speech. It is because yuo cannot hear my words." (Read carefully the 44th verse) where Christ said to the Jews, "Ye are of your father the devil and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning and abode not in the truth because there is no truth in him. When he speaks oa lie, he speaks of his own for he is a liar and the father of it."

The Word "Jew"

A Jew is a person whose religion is Jew‑dah‑ism (Judaism). The word Jew is not found in the original texts of the Scriptures, but in many English Bibles the word is an incorrect rendering of the latin word Judaeus, the Greek word Ioudaios, and the Hebrew word Yehudi. Although not found in either the Hebrew or the Greek Scriptures, the word Jew is an English rendering most often incorrectly translated from Yahudah, that is, referring to one belonging to one of the tribes of Israel (Yisrael) called Yahudah (Judah), a Yahudite. The word Jews, the plural of the word Jew, is incorrectly translated most often from the word Yahudim (descendants of the tribe of Yahudah).

The letter 'J' was not in general use until after the 17th century as used in many Bibles for the word 'Jew' to substitute for the correct word Yahudite, or Yahudim. In some English Bibles we have received the word Juda, also an error in translation because the word derives from the Greek Iudaios, which in the English would be Judaios. Judaios was none other then a Greek diety (see W.H. Roscher's lexicon of mythology).

As used in the Scriptures, the word 'Jew' is sometimes translated to refer to a Yudean (Judean) a native or inhabitant (which includes many diverse races and people groups living in the region) of Yudea (Judea). As the word 'American' includes many diverse peoples living in the Country called 'America'. The word very often refers to an advocate or adherent to the religion of the Yahudim, (Judaism), or it may in a few cases refer to a literal descendant of Abraham, Issac, Jacob/Israel, one of the descent of the tribe of Yahudah (Judah).

In present day generic usage, the word has no relationship to the Hebrew or the Greek translated words in the Old or New Covenant Scriptures, and is associated primarily through an adherent or advocate of Jew‑dah‑ism (Judaism) the religion, but not through ethnics or race. Basically, a Jew is anyone who decides to call himself/herself a Jew. Within Jewish Circles, there are two other official ways one can become a Jew. One can be born from a mother who calls herself a Jew, or one can 'convert' to become a Jew. (A convert is called a ger which literally means stranger). Being born a Jew is pretty simple. If one's mother is Jewish (of the Jewish religion) then he/she is considered a Jew, if one's mother is not of the Jewish religion, then neither is the child officially a Jew. (It doesn't matter what the father is).

Modern Jew‑dah‑ism began about 1000 AD, and is traced to Rabbenu Gershon of Mainz, Germany the 'Father' of the Ashkenazi Jews, which constitute approximately 90% of the worlds Jews. Modern Jew‑dah‑ism is not the Scriptural worship system of the Yahudim of the Scriptures.

Jews do not actively encourage conversion; to a large degree they discourage it. This is the reason Jews have never had missionaries trying to convert non‑Jews. They want the convert but the convert must be 100% committed to being a Jew. Discouraging conversion helps to filter out those 'lacking the proper degree' of commitment.

If the non‑Jew still wants to become a Jew, the male is circumcised. After he is healed, he immerses himself in a mikva. A mikva is a special pool of water which is used for many religious purposes in the religion of the Jews. (It must be made according to very specific rules). A female convert only has to immerse herself.

The term 'Jew', has come to be used synonymous with the term 'Israel, Israelite', however, this is error. Scriptural Israelites were never called Jews, (Yahudim), unless they were so associated by their religion. Most modern Jews are not of the tribe of Yahudah (Judah), and are not 'Israelites.' They are called Jew(s) because of their religion, Jew‑dah‑ism (Judaism).

Jew, Ashkenazi (Franco‑German, Eastern and Central European Jews)

After the Northern Kingdom of Israel was conquered by the Assyrian King Shalmaneser V, in 745‑722 BCE, (for their sin before Yahweh), the Israelites were exiled into (Assyria), 2 Kings 17:5‑7. They prospered during the years in Assyria, and became a huge number of people. Outgrowing the land area they eventually migrated North through the 'Caucasus Mountains', and into central and Western Europe forming the European Nations, and are known as Caucasians 'whites.' As these Israelites migrated they influenced many people groups, no longer having an organized religious priesthood, and not having a nation or national identity, these migrating people, descendants of Jacob/Israel nevertheless passed on their bits and pieces of the ancient Scriptural worship system which was corrupted through their many years of captive living in pagan Assyria. During the 7th century A.D. these bits and pieces of the corrupt worship system became a form of Jew‑dah‑ism and was embraced by the Khazar King, his court, and the Khazar military class, who are descendants of Ashkenaz. This new religion of Jew‑dah‑ism, became the religion of the Khazars, and forms most of modern cultic European Jewry.

In common parlance the present day 'Jew' is synonymous with the 'Ashkenazi Khazar Jew'. Scripture refers to the Ashkenaz in Gen. 10:3, and in I Chron. 1:6, as one of the sons of Gomer, who was a son of Japheth, son of Noah. Ashkenaz is also a brother of Togarmah (and a nephew of Magog) who the Kazars, according to King Joseph, (of the Kazars) claimed as their ancestor. The people who refer to themselves as Ashkenazi Jews are not Israelites, and they are not Semites because they do not descend from Noah's son Shem. They are Ashkenazi Khazar Jews, who descend from Noah's son Japheth. Approximately 85‑90 percent of the Jews in the world call themselves Ashkenazi Jews.

Present‑day Jew‑dah‑ism, was formally formed into it's basic cultic form about 1,000 years ago, (according to the Jews), when ‑ Rabbenu Gershon of Mainz, Germany, published a ban on bigamy. This marks the recorded beginning of the Ashkenazi Jews*, and Franco‑German halachic** creativity. The word 'Ashkenazi' is not Hebrew for the word Germany, although the name has become 'associated' with Germany because many Ashkenazi Jews organized in Russia, Eastern Europe and Western Mongolia.

*Ashkenazi ‑ (Franco‑German, Eastern and Central European Jews). **halachic ‑ loose 'interpretations' of Old Testament laws

Jew, Sephardim (Spanish Jews)

After the Northern Kingdom of Israel was conquered by the Assyrian King Shalmaneser V, in 745‑722 BCE, (for their sin before Yahweh), The Israelites were exiled into (Assyria), 2 Kings 17:5‑7. The King then imported people groups from his country (Assyria) to replace the exiled Israelites to maintain and control the land of the exiles. The Sepharvaim were one of these people groups, along with Cuthahites, Arrahites, 2 Kings 17:24. They mingled with each other, along with Edomites, who had migrated Northward from Idumea (field of Edom), after Israel and the Yahudim (Judeans) were exiled. Adad and Anu were ancient gods of Babylonia and were also the gods of these pagan Sepharvaim people. The Sephardim Yudeans (Judeans) are a mongrel people whose descent is directly from a mixture of this Assyrian people group and the remnant of escaped Yudeans (Judeans) along with Edomites who had migrated into the land originally occupied by the Kingdom of Israel and the kingdom of Yahudah (Judah). This made their religion also of mixed character, 2 Kings 17:24‑41.

The people known as "Spanish Jews," are descended from the Canaanites, the people who colonized Carthage. Following its sack by Rome, they adopted this Sepharvaim, or Sephardim name for deceptive purposes and constitute 5% of world Jewry today. The Sephardim Jews speak Latino, a mixture of Spanish and Hebrew. The Sephardim Jews migrated West through Egypt, then North into Spain from Judea and Samaria before, during, and after the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 CE,. This migration became known as the "Jewish 'Sephardim' Diaspora". Today, these Sephardim Jews are still using their ancient adopted name Sephardim (the spelling is a transliteration into English and not of significance). They settled in Spain, Portugal, the Eastern Mediterranean, Italy, the Balkans, Salonica and Macedonia, eventually emigrating into France and England, and Western Europe.

The Sepharviam Yudeans (Judeans) were known as Samaritans during the time of Messiah, because they were living in Samaria, which was the area from which Israel was removed by the Assyrian King Shalmaneser V. The twelve apostles during the time if Messiah, were instructed not to enter the cities of the Samaritans, Matt. 10:5. Although the True Israelites of tribal descent, living in Samaria did received the witness of Yahshua and the message of redemption from the apostles, Acts, 1:8. Some of the mixed Samaritans also became proselytes to the Christian faith, Acts 8:4‑25.

The Sephardim Jews, (or Sepharviam Jews) are not of Israelite blood; they are not of the tribe of Yahudah although they were called Yudeans, 'Judeans', as an inhabitant, i.e. person living in the land originally occupied by the tribe of Yahudah of Israel). Their descent is mixed from Edom/Esau Canaanite stock. The Sephardim Jews, like the Ashkenazi Khazar Jews are not a Semitic people. The word Sephardim is not a Hebrew word for Spain, although the name has become 'associated' with Spain because many Sephardim Jews organized in Spain.

Jew‑dah‑ism, (modern 'Judaism')

Jew‑dah‑ism, is a cultic (ritual‑istic) religion which originated approximately 1000 CE, and is traced to Rabbenu Gershon of Mainz Germany through the publishing of his 'halachic creativity' (interpretation of Old Covenant laws), he thereby established the beginning of the modern cultic religion of Jew‑dah‑ism. Today the religion is also greatly influenced by the Babylonian Talmud, an ancient Pagan ritual‑listic system of various extreme opinions, interpretations, codes, rules, and regulations.

The modern cultic religion of Jew‑dah‑ism has nothing in common with the Scriptural Cultic system of worship which was completely destroyed by Messiah as a religious system in 70 CE at the destruction of Yerushalayim (Jerusalem), Herod's Temple, and through the establishment of the New Covenant through Yahshua Messiah. Christianity, as a religious system of Faith, replaced the ancient system of Cultic (ritual‑istic) sacrificial worship.



:elvis:

Too many words...

[Nitro Express]

Judism is a religion. Not all Jews are Hebrews. For you people who are too lazy to read Elvis's post. There's the short answer.

Most the waring in the middle east is over oil. Oil companies are more powerful than governments. They make so much money on pipelines that they can hire mercenary armies and providing mercenaries to oil companies worldwide is a business that hires hundreds of thousands of people. Syria and the Ukraine are essentially wars over oil pipelines. Religion is just a scab to pick to stir the hornet nest.

[chefcraig]

That would be "Dave's not here."

Man, I loved Cheech y Chong growing up.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY7ZX6ngOSs

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Man, I loved Cheech y Chong growing up.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY7ZX6ngOSs

they grew up? :nono:

[DONNIEP]

Judism is a religion. Not all Jews are Hebrews. For you people who are too lazy to read Elvis's post. There's the short answer.


Thanks for the condensed version.

[Nitro Express]

Man, I loved Cheech y Chong growing up.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY7ZX6ngOSs

I grew up on Cheech and Chong and George Carlin. Also porn and the Fabulous Freak Brothers.

[Kristy]

"Jones says that he has been visited by the FBI and the Secret Service but can't discuss the interviews. It may be that federal agents, in fact, wanted to evaluate whether he is a threat to the president. There's no reason to believe he is—but the same can't be said of his listeners."


Can't wait for the day when Sesh and Von are visited by the FBI, Secret Service and/or the C.I.A. when Trollvis goes off the rails. Only a matter of time now.
http://foxnomad.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/wearing-two-watches-at-once1.jpg

[ELVIS]

Truth hurts, eh sigly uster ??

[Nitro Express]

I don't think powerful people get together in secret to just play bridge.

[FORD]

Too many words...

This will explain further, as it came from the same bullshit nazi source (http://www.christian-identity.org/jesus-a-jew.html) that the crap ELVIS spewed did......


Holy Order Leadership

http://www.christian-identity.org/uploads/1/1/5/8/11587919/1384763098.png

It has been an honor to be part of this Holy bond of Brotherhood for the past couple of years. As one of the founders of this Order, we will forever keep up the fight for the Kingdom of Yahweh, and the future of the survival of the White Anglo Saxon people. I am very proud that we have started a new leadership for our political struggle against the Satanic Jew. We are not just an organization we are a family. A bond of Brotherhood, of Honor, Courage, and Duty not just for self but for others. Not everyone could be one of us, but only the very few. Our wishes are not to be the biggest White Nationalist organization, but one of the Best. But as a Army of Yahweh's Kingdom. Only you can make the decision to become a Holy Order member, A member of a Christian Brotherhood of Patriots. We are tomorrows Warriors for Freedom and Liberty, the Almighty will protect us against the Wolves. May Freedom forever be in our Hearts. Yahweh has granted us to be Warriors in the End of this Wicked world.

"Surrendering is Never an Option" :meinsmiley:
Hail Yahweh's Victory
Brother Henry/Disciple of the H.O.B.

[FORD]

Truth hurts, eh sigly uster ??

You won't find truth in the "Christian" Identity movement. :meinsmiley:

[PETE'S BROTHER]

You won't find truth in the "Christian" Identity movement. :meinsmiley:

did you talk to donnie about usin' his soon to be admin smilie?

[Kristy]

Truth hurts, eh sigly uster ??

What? That'll you'll eventually go off the rails?

[ELVIS]

What the hell is a Christian identity movement ??

I'm a Bible believer...

The word of God...

You should try reading it and stop with the mocking crap...

[DONNIEP]

Quit using my Hitler smiley!

[ELVIS]

What? That'll you'll eventually go off the rails?

I'm out of here in a few days, dork...

Get a life...

[chefcraig]

I grew up on Cheech and Chong and George Carlin. Also porn and the Fabulous Freak Brothers.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuEQixrBKCc

[PETE'S BROTHER]

I'm a Bible believer...

The word of God...

You should try reading it and stop with the mocking crap...

:biggrin:

[Von Halen]

What the hell is a Christian identity movement ??

I'm a Bible believer...

The word of God...

You should try reading it and stop with the mocking crap...

"God" didn't write the Bible. Man did.

Trying (You don't. You can't.) to live by some mans ancient ideals, is burdening your ability to think and act for yourself.

Your attempt at perfection will lead you to be just as hypocritical as all the other Jesus freaks.

[ELVIS]

I'm not trying to be perfect...

I'm trying to be as the Bible instructs us:

To be as a servant...

To be as a child...

To be Holy...

[ELVIS]

"God" didn't write the Bible. Man did.



No, Holy Spirit filled men of God penned the Scriptures...

[FORD]

No, Holy Spirit filled men of God penned the Scriptures...

Yeah.... those Jews that you're always whining about since you joined the "Christian" Identity cult :meinsmiley:

[Von Halen]

No, Holy Spirit filled men of God penned the Scriptures...

If there were mental hospitals back then, those guys would have been committed to them.

[Nitro Express]

"The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists." J. Edgar Hoover

From someone who should have known.

[Kristy]

I'm a Bible believer...

The word of God...

You should try reading it and stop with the mocking crap...

No, you're a fucking mess. You see this?
http://usbiblecolleges.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/denverseminary.jpg

That's Denver Seminary - just to the upper left of that photo is where I live (really, no shit). Yes, past the barn. For fuck's sake...where was I? So I am in 3 to 4 minutes on foot (depends on the rain anymore) of a theological school that is a bit liberal but where many have devoted their very lives studying the Bible. Rarely a day goes by where I don't run into a student (although I do try to avoid them - especially when higher than a kite) who always has something to say about the Bible or some sort of quasi-religious ethic code mumbo-jumbo whatever. Never has one of them ever come off as a pretentious, yet clueless asshole about their devotion to God as much as you do. You're not "Christian" you just play one on the internet to bullshit yourself you actually have a life. You have no friggin' idea what the Bible is as you attempt to proselytize your gullible horseshit.

[DONNIEP]

Yeah.... those Jews that you're always whining about since you joined the "Christian" Identity cult :meinsmiley:

Stop

Using

My

Smiley!!!
:meinsmiley:

[Von Halen]

I'm not trying to be perfect...

I'm trying to be as the Bible instructs us:

To be as a servant...

To be as a child...

To be Holy...

Obviously you believe the Bible is perfect. That's why you are trying to make others believe you are living by it, word for word.

But you, like all the others, only live by the parts you choose to live by. You don't believe every single word of that garbage. But keep wasting your energy convincing yourself otherwise. No need to convince anyone else, because they don't care. Now return to your hypocrisy.

[Von Halen]

No, you're a fucking mess. You see this?
http://usbiblecolleges.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/denverseminary.jpg

That's Denver Seminary - just to the upper left of that photo is where I live (really, no shit). Yes, past the barn. For fuck's sake...where was I? So I am in 3 to 4 minutes on foot (depends on the rain anymore) of a theological school that is a bit liberal but where many have devoted their very lives studying the Bible. Rarely a day goes by where I don't run into a student (although I do try to avoid them - especially when higher than a kite) who always has something to say about the Bible or some sort of quasi-religious ethic code mumbo-jumbo whatever. Never has one of them ever come off as a pretentious, yet clueless asshole about their devotion to God as much as you do. You're not "Christian" you just play one on the internet to bullshit yourself you actually have a life. You have no friggin' idea what the Bible is as you attempt to proselytize your gullible horseshit.

Look at Kris-ty!

So eloquent!

I think I'm in love!

[Nitro Express]

Yeah.... those Jews that you're always whining about since you joined the "Christian" Identity cult :meinsmiley:

Well the bible was put together by the Council of Nicea under the supervision of Emperor Constantine. Hey you start a church you need scripture right? Then the prodestants broke off and did their thing. As time chugged along people kept rewriting the bible. Religion is a business. When it gets old and outdated and it risks losing membership, you got to change some things.

[Kristy]

Look at Kris-ty!

So eloquent!

I think I'm in love!

Shut the fuck up.

[Von Halen]

Shut the fuck up.

Never happen.

[Kristy]

Then go find my car keys, asshole.

[Von Halen]

Then go find my car keys, asshole.

You spaced off your keys to that piece of shit Malibu?

[FORD]

From someone who should have known.

J. Edna couldn't even come face to face with his own sexual orientation. Though I'm sure he had many other guys "come" to his face with it. :blow:

[Kristy]

You spaced off your keys to that piece of shit Malibu?

Yes. Now find them.

[Von Halen]

Yes. Now find them.

This is your way of inviting me over...

[Nitro Express]

J. Edna couldn't even come face to face with his own sexual orientation. Though I'm sure he had many other guys "come" to his face with it. :blow:

Being gay was political suicide in the old days but Hoover had enough dirt on his enemies he was just like going,"Ok. Make my day!" I guess he was good to work for. He treated his employees decent.

[Kristy]

Not even close.

[Kristy]

I can almost see my house form here just past the barn and lock down mental institution. Scary
http://denveraerialphoto.com/denveraerialphoto/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Aerial-Photo-Denver-Seminary.jpg

I know I've been doing a lot of weed lately trying to come to sort sort of a conclusion about the lyrics of Billy Joel. All I can make of the dude so far is that he is one shitty writer, a sort of a east coast Long Island Jew heroin monkey who once got his dick wet with a supermodel. How did he manage to fuck that up?

[Kristy]

Billy Joel the date rapist:

She's a real nice girl and she's always there for you
But a nice girl wouldn't tell you what you should do.

Listen boy I'm sure that you think you got it all under control
Tell her about it. Tell her everything you feel
Give her every reason to accept that you're for real.

Now compare with:

"I know what you want, I can see what you're looking for.
I know what you want from me, an' I'm gonna give you more.

I'm gonna slide it in right to the top,
Slide it in, I ain't never gonna stop.
Slide it in, right to the top.
I'm gonna slide it in, slide it in, slide it, in baby..."


Date rape tunes are all the same. Does not matter who writes them.

[Nickdfresh]

I'm not rational...

I'm a child of the one true living God and a disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ...

I don't rationalize anything...

I detect truth wherever it's hidden...

Then why did they leave you in a basket in front of someone's doorstep?

[FORD]

Billy Joel the date rapist:

She's a real nice girl and she's always there for you
But a nice girl wouldn't tell you what you should do.

Listen boy I'm sure that you think you got it all under control
Tell her about it. Tell her everything you feel
Give her every reason to accept that you're for real.

Now compare with:

"I know what you want, I can see what you're looking for.
I know what you want from me, an' I'm gonna give you more.

I'm gonna slide it in right to the top,
Slide it in, I ain't never gonna stop.
Slide it in, right to the top.
I'm gonna slide it in, slide it in, slide it, in baby..."


Date rape tunes are all the same. Does not matter who writes them.

This being a religious thread, you should have gone with a different Billy Joel lyric....

Come out Virginia, don't let me me wait
You Catholic girls start much too late
But sooner or later it comes down to fate
I might as well be the one
They showed you a statue and told you to pray
They built you a temple and locked you away
But they never told you the price that you pay
For things that you might have done...
Only the good die young


Though I always thought it worked better as a punk rock song......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mud_JEi2Ruk

[Nickdfresh]

"God" didn't write the Bible. Man did.
...

And selectively edited it, leaving key parts out that could have just as easy could have been in "The Bible" if they had chosen to drink either more or less that day...

[Kristy]

This being a religious thread, you should have gone with a different Billy Joel lyric....

Come out Virginia, don't let me me wait
You Catholic girls start much too late
But sooner or later it comes down to fate
I might as well be the one
They showed you a statue and told you to pray
They built you a temple and locked you away
But they never told you the price that you pay
For things that you might have done...
Only the good die young


Believe that is more about pedophilia which runs wild in the Catholic church. Odd a Jew from New York would write such a strange tune unless he was into it himself.

[ashstralia]

Stop making fun of the Lord, DAVE

DAVE

DAVE

..
Dave's not here, man. :)

[Kristy]

Then go find my car keys, asshole.

Found them.

[Seshmeister]

No, Holy Spirit filled men of God penned the Scriptures...

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha



http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Gullible.+Description_c80677_3171544.jpg

[twonabomber]

Obviously you believe the Bible is perfect. That's why you are trying to make others believe you are living by it, word for word.

But you, like all the others, only live by the parts you choose to live by. You don't believe every single word of that garbage. But keep wasting your energy convincing yourself otherwise. No need to convince anyone else, because they don't care. Now return to your hypocrisy.

I work with a guy like that. He's all preachy, and then will steal other people's lunches out of the fridge. One of the other guys told him "I'm pretty sure Jesus says 'don't be an asshole'" and Jesusboy gets pissy and runs to HR.

[Nitro Express]

I work with a guy like that. He's all preachy, and then will steal other people's lunches out of the fridge. One of the other guys told him "I'm pretty sure Jesus says 'don't be an asshole'" and Jesusboy gets pissy and runs to HR.

They believe they are saved. See if you changed it to when you die you are judged according to your actions and behavior on planet earth and if you fall below a certain level of acceptability you are reincarnated back on earth and you have to live your whole miserable life over again until you get it right that would stop them from stealing other people's lunches. In fact karma would make sure they were the ones being stolen from.

[Seshmeister]

Life can be tough and most people need a crutch but such an unsophisticated theology like ELVIS has just comes across as ludicrously childish, hugely old fashioned and closer to the Taliban than any concept of Western freedoms and democracy.

The worrying thing observing this loon in the petri dish here is that compared to many millions in the US, he's relatively mild. ELVIS at least accepts evolution and some science.

[FORD]

Life can be tough and most people need a crutch but such an unsophisticated theology like ELVIS has just comes across as ludicrously childish, hugely old fashioned and closer to the Taliban than any concept of Western freedoms and democracy.

The worrying thing observing this loon in the petri dish here is that compared to many millions in the US, he's relatively mild. ELVIS at least accepts evolution and some science.

But not climate science... which is ironic, given his literal front row seat to some of the worst by-products AND causes of man made climate change.

[Nitro Express]

I don't think you people get it. Religion exists to entertain us.

[ELVIS]

Yeah.... those Jews that you're always whining about since you joined the "Christian" Identity cult :meinsmiley:

The Bible has little to do with Jews...

Maybe you should read it...

[ELVIS]

If there were mental hospitals back then, those guys would have been committed to them.

Yes, I know...

If you would bother to pick up the Bible you would find that most everyone God sent was ridiculed and killed...

Most people thought they were nuts, just as you think I'm nuts...

The Bible says I'll be hated, but to be of good cheer...

So, that's how I am...

Think I'll take a tire burning spin in the Super Bee...;)

[ELVIS]

You have no friggin' idea what the Bible is as you attempt to proselytize your gullible horseshit.

Shaddup...

You don't need some worldly Seminary to understand the word of God...

You need to be filled with the Holy Spirit...

Crooks and prosperity preachers emerge from those places...

They like to rub shoulders with world leaders and get rich...

[ELVIS]

But not climate science... which is ironic, given his literal front row seat to some of the worst by-products AND causes of man made climate change.

Shaddup...

"Man made climate change" is nothing more than man made arrogance...

God is in control, not tiny little man...

[Kristy]

Shaddup...

You don't need some worldly Seminary to understand the word of God...

You need to be filled with the Holy Spirit...

Crooks and prosperity preachers emerge from those places...

They like to rub shoulders with world leaders and get rich...

You miss the point asshole.

[Kristy]

I don't think you people get it. Religion exists to entertain us.

The mental illness that is religion.

[ELVIS]

You miss the point asshole.

No, you do...

You're spiritually blind...

[Seshmeister]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-alUVKne7brg/URLsVTrVDlI/AAAAAAAACNI/Tbg6BPSvhhA/s1600/18togo.jpg


.....

[ELVIS]

Less that that, shill...

[Angel]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-alUVKne7brg/URLsVTrVDlI/AAAAAAAACNI/Tbg6BPSvhhA/s1600/18togo.jpg


.....
Woohoo...are we gonna have a party?

Less that that, shill...
Yippee...party date moved up. :D

[Guitar Shark]

It says 'rational'.

Not aimed at you...

My favorite post in this thread.

[Nickdfresh]

The Bible has little to do with Jews...

...

Much like people as yourself...

[ELVIS]

:biggrin:

[Nitro Express]

The Bible has little to do with Jews...

Maybe you should read it...

?????? The Exodus, The Children of Israel, Moses, The Land of Milk and Honey, Solomon's Temple, Herod's Temple, The Sanhedrin, The Pharisis, Jesus King of the Jews, Jesus teaching in the synagog, Passover.

Dude. Sorry. I don't know what version of the bible you use but I grew up on the King James version. The bible is full of references to the jews or hebrews.

[Nitro Express]

:biggrin:

Brother Nathaniel. Ha! ha! ha! Watch more of his videos. He isn't exactly fond of baptists. He looks at them as fools.

[ELVIS]

I don't know what version of the bible you use but I grew up on the King James version. The bible is full of references to the jews or hebrews.

Right...

And in the King James version, Jesus, Himself, proclaims to the unbelieving Jews, that they are from the Devil...

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

John 8:44


:elvis:

[ELVIS]

Brother Nathaniel. Ha! ha! ha! Watch more of his videos. He isn't exactly fond of baptists. He looks at them as fools.

I've seen them all...

I'd like to be where he is...

[Seshmeister]

A mushroom farm? :D

[Kristy]

The Bible was written by many tripping their brains out on ergot.

Going all out Nick here:

"The neurotropic activities of the ergot alkaloids may also cause hallucinations and attendant irrational behavior, convulsions, and even death."

[FORD]

"Brother Nathaniel" - the real life Kyle Broflovski.....

[Seshmeister]

:D

http://southpark.cc.com/sitewide/img/messages/geoblock/gb.jpg

[Kristy]

It's Hulu. So you're not missing anything but wasted ad space.

[Seshmeister]

Less that that, shill...

http://generationbass.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Prince_17-Days.jpg

[FORD]

Goddamn fucking Hulu :mad:

They're starting to piss me off more than NuttyYahoo. The old South Park Studios website was much better. I think this was really Comedy Central's doing though. They fucked up the Stewart & Colbert websites too. Fucking media whore assholes.....

[LoungeMachine]

Stop making fun of the Lord, DAVE

DAVE

DAVE

See, I can do it too...

Fag...

:lmao:

I'll say this.......you will be be missed.

:gulp:

Once you're off Satan's Grid, all will be right again. Believe. :)

[LoungeMachine]

http://generationbass.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Prince_17-Days.jpg

I keep having Europe's cheesy "Its The Final Countdown" stuck in my head now....

:gulp:

Thanks for that earworm. :)

[fraroc]

really, an Idol ??

Saddup Satan...

Get behind me...

And stop mocking the Lord...

I KNEW IT! Elvis does like to bottom!

[Seshmeister]

I KNEW IT! Elvis does like to bottom!

http://r.fod4.com/s=w600/http://a.fod4.com/images/user_photos/1246136/1d2b945f536a4946d52d277cab6e0760_original.jpg ...

[Seshmeister]

http://i362.photobucket.com/albums/oo70/threehockeyfans/16days_zps620f2963.jpg

[fraroc]

http://r.fod4.com/s=w600/http://a.fod4.com/images/user_photos/1246136/1d2b945f536a4946d52d277cab6e0760_original.jpg ...


I wish that book was real for the sole purpose of pissing off homophobic assholes.

[ELVIS]

I pray one day you'll wake up to see how stupid you've been...

[Angel]

I pray one day I'll wake up to see how stupid I've been...

Fixed that for ya.

[ELVIS]

How clever...