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ELVIS
08-21-2014, 02:01 PM
Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/11047109/British-jihadist-who-beheaded-journalist-is-Londoner-called-John.html)


'British' jihadist who beheaded journalist is Londoner called John

An international manhunt is under way to identify the British militant who beheaded American journalist James Foley, with sources suggesting he is a London-born fanatic called John
An IS militant with a man purported to be US journalist Steven Sotloff, in a still from the group's video

The jihadist who beheaded the American journalist James Foley is believed to be British born militant from London who calls himself John, it can be revealed.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bvgy5-gIAAAPIvr.jpg

Intelligence agents in the UK and United States are urgently looking into reports that the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (Isil) fighter, whose brutal actions shocked the world, is the ringleader of group of British jihadists who have specialised in hostage taking.

Based in the Isil stronghold of Raqqa in Syria, ‘John’, is described as a well-educated, intelligent, but highly committed member of the extremist terror group.

Operating closely with two other British born militants, the group have been dubbed ‘The Beatles’, by fellow jihadists because of their nationality.

ELVIS
08-21-2014, 02:04 PM
Yay Obomba...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bvh_jvSCUAAOlaT.jpg

ELVIS
08-21-2014, 02:05 PM
Just look at the evil dripping off of that bastard...

ELVIS
08-21-2014, 02:19 PM
http://hw.infowars.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/foley-false-flag.jpg


:gun:

ELVIS
08-21-2014, 02:21 PM
:gun:

WACF
08-21-2014, 03:39 PM
Some "convenient" Canadians have been killed fighting for the extremists too...

binnie
08-21-2014, 03:47 PM
What do you want the government to do, Elvis?

FORD
08-21-2014, 04:00 PM
Not exist?

VetteLS5
08-21-2014, 04:13 PM
[img]http://hw.infowars.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/foley-false-flag.jpg[/img

Ya left the word "Italian" out of this quaint little reference to a bombing trial in 1972.

Seriously.... calendar?

ELVIS
08-21-2014, 04:39 PM
What do you want the government to do, Elvis?

Follow the Constitution, as Ron Paul has been saying for decades...

WACF
08-21-2014, 06:22 PM
What do you want the government to do, Elvis?


This story just came up...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ukip-leader-nigel-farage-calls-for-britons-joining-the-islamic-state-abroad-to-be-stripped-of-british-citizenship-9681946.html


Ukip leader Nigel Farage calls for Britons joining the Islamic State abroad to be stripped of British citizenship




His comments come after an Islamic State militant with a London accent was filmed beheading an American journalist on Tuesday



Kashmira Gander

Wednesday, 20 August 2014



UK Independence Party (Ukip) leader Nigel Farage has called for Britons who have travelled to Syria to fight for Islamic State (IS) militants to be stripped of their UK citizenship.



His comments came after Prime Minister David Cameron returned from his holiday to hold meetings over what he called the “shocking and depraved” murder of journalist James Foley in Syria, by the fighters formerly known as Isis.

The British authorities have since launched a hunt for the suspected killer, after the black-clad IS fighter who appears to behead Foley in the footage speaks with a English accent.

On Wednesday, the party demanded that the Government strips militants with joint nationality of their UK citizenships, while British nationals could have their passports withdrawn. Those who do not hold UK citizenship but have been granted the right to live here should immediately have that right revoked, the party added in a statement.

In pictures: The rise of Isis

Read more: James Foley in his own words
Jim Foley: My memories of a brave, selfless reporter
Islamic State backgrounder: British fighters make up a quarter of foreign Jihadists

In June, then-Foreign Secretary William Hague said there may be as many as 400 British citizens fighting in Syria, including some with IS which has swept through Iraq in recent months.

Video: Isis recruitment video featuring three Brits

However, it unknown how many of those are IS fighters, or members other rebel groups fighting against President Assad’s regime. The statistics came after a British citizen fighting in Syria was believed to have committed a war crime by taking part in the execution of a prisoner in a video released in May.

Mr Farage said IS are a “group like no other”.

“I would say that in choosing to quit the UK to fight abroad, they have rendered themselves effectively stateless by conforming to an ideology of wanting to create a terrifying caliphate,” he said.

“If they choose to leave the UK they simply should not be allowed to return. Where intelligence identifies UK nationals fighting for IS their repatriation absolutely should be blocked,” Mr Farage added.


Disclaimer


Before the usual posts stating that the link I posted is part of a secret plot by a global organization or that the Political Party are extremists bound to destroy us all and sink the UK the bottom of the Ocean....it's purely for discussion.

Binnie asked a question...

Seshmeister
08-21-2014, 06:28 PM
:gun:

Let me guess, infowars is saying it's a false flag?

WACF
08-21-2014, 06:45 PM
Let me guess, infowars is saying it's a false flag?


The first couple minutes is absolutely painfull...

Seshmeister
08-21-2014, 06:55 PM
I only got as far as the title with Alex Jones teenage intern... :)

ELVIS
08-21-2014, 07:15 PM
Because you're a BBC loving dunce...

Nickdfresh
08-21-2014, 07:22 PM
Just look at the evil dripping off of that bastard...

You have a lot in common with him. You both believe in fantasies and conspiracy shit...

Nickdfresh
08-21-2014, 07:23 PM
What do you want the government to do, Elvis?

Send him his monthly check...

ELVIS
08-21-2014, 07:38 PM
You have a lot in common with him. You both believe in fantasies and conspiracy shit...

hey...

You voted for the bastard, and on at least one occasion you said in retaliation to my Obashing that "he's doing a great fucking job."

twonabomber
08-21-2014, 07:44 PM
Yay Obomba...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bvh_jvSCUAAOlaT.jpg

How come when W spent all that time in Texas, people would say "it doesn't matter, he's still the president!" but when Obama goes on vacation everyone crawls up his ass and complains?

FORD
08-21-2014, 07:47 PM
How come when W spent all that time in Texas, people would say "it doesn't matter, he's still the president!" but when Obama goes on vacation everyone crawls up his ass and complains?

Because Chimpy was allowed to be on vacation 9 months out of the year. If Obama takes a few days off, he's just another "lazy ******" to these morons.

ELVIS
08-21-2014, 07:56 PM
A few days off ??

http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/politifact%2Fphotos%2FObama_golf_on_MV.jpg

LMAO!!

WACF
08-21-2014, 08:34 PM
A few days off ??

http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/politifact%2Fphotos%2FObama_golf_on_MV.jpg

LMAO!!

I have no idea how much Bush was off...but I do know it seems every time something big occurs, the newscast starts with "President Obama cut his vacation short...".

maybe he is still trying to finish his first one cut short...

Seshmeister
08-21-2014, 08:39 PM
If they killed the reporter by shooting him then this wouldn't be big would it?

The reason they cut heads off is it totally works.

Seshmeister
08-21-2014, 08:57 PM
I have no idea how much Bush was off...but I do know it seems every time something big occurs, the newscast starts with "President Obama cut his vacation short...".

maybe he is still trying to finish his first one cut short...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-presidential-vacations/2014/08/15/2aa969c6-2311-11e4-958c-268a320a60ce_story.html

Couple of quotes stand out.


During his eight-year presidency, Bush did take 879 days of vacation, including 77 trips to his Texas ranch. So far, Obama has taken about 150 days off..... No modern president took less vacation than Jimmy Carter (79 days), while Ronald Reagan spent 335 days at his beloved California ranch. President John F. Kennedy spent nearly every weekend of his shortened presidency at one of his family’s several properties

Much funnier though is



Presidents often feel the need to assure Americans that they’re using their vacations productively. Karl Rove, adviser to President George W. Bush, always alerted the media to the scholarly books the president intended to read while on vacation. :biggrin:

WACF
08-21-2014, 09:07 PM
Oh shit that last bit is hilarious...

Seshmeister
08-21-2014, 09:10 PM
It's the word 'intended'... :)

binnie
08-22-2014, 04:55 AM
Follow the Constitution, as Ron Paul has been saying for decades...

I mean in response to ISIS. What would you do if you were president?

ELVIS
08-22-2014, 09:52 AM
I would stop creating, arming and funding these radical groups...

I would do open and honest business with Oil producing countries...

binnie
08-22-2014, 10:00 AM
So, you would:

- outlaw the selling arms to the Middle East (which, I presume, would lead to massive job losses in the US arms industry)

- take state control of the oil industry in the US (which, I presume, is the only way to ensure that all buisness is 'open and honest' as you - the president - would define it).

I wasn't expecting those responses, that's for sure.

Would you allow ISIS - which exists now whether we like it or not - to continue to gain land and power in Iraq and Syria?

ELVIS
08-22-2014, 10:20 AM
There would be massive military industrial complex job losses under my presidency...

ISIS and al-Qaeda are products of the military industrial complex, and it's now a complex problem...

See, we have lived our entire lives under this corruption and we as a people of all countries get suckered into it...

I don't like ISIS or any group slaughtering anyone, but is a civil war in a foreign land our business ??

binnie
08-22-2014, 10:27 AM
There would be massive military industrial complex job losses under my presidency...

ISIS and al-Qaeda are products of the military industrial complex, and it's now a complex problem...

See, we have lived our entire lives under this corruption and we as a people of all countries get suckered into it...

I don't like ISIS or any group slaughtering anyone, but is a civil war in a foreign land our business ??

I suspect that many people think along the 'it's not our business' line. The question becomes: if the current events are due in large part to historic intervention of the West in the Middle East, does that give us a moral duty to intervene now (i.e. a sins of the father argument).

Most of evidence coming out about ISIS suggests that the Saudi's are funding them. The US/UK has certainly de-stablised the region, however.

Personally, I think that the US and Uk need to work with other countries in the region (Iran and Jordan, for example) to begin to come to a resolution before it gets far, far worse.

Seshmeister
08-22-2014, 10:59 AM
ISIS and al-Qaeda are products of the military industrial complex, and it's now a complex problem...



That's complete bullshit...

You look down your nose at everybody...

You preface bullshit with "it's a complicated subject" as if to imply your superior insight is far above us mortals...

Go fuck yourself...


:finger:

http://tvmedia.ign.com/tv/image/article/730/730957/190-cletus_1262709478.jpg

Stop looking down your nose at us Cletus! :biggrin:

ELVIS
08-22-2014, 12:47 PM
Poor Sesh...:cry:

I take back the fuck yourself comment though...

That wasn't nice...

ELVIS
08-22-2014, 12:54 PM
I suspect that many people think along the 'it's not our business' line. The question becomes: if the current events are due in large part to historic intervention of the West in the Middle East, does that give us a moral duty to intervene now (i.e. a sins of the father argument).

Maybe...

That's an interesting point...

Most of evidence coming out about ISIS suggests that the Saudi's are funding them. The US/UK has certainly de-stablised the region, however.

It's a quagmire of east meets west politics, corruption and propaganda...

Mostly over Oil..

Personally, I think that the US and Uk need to work with other countries in the region (Iran and Jordan, for example) to begin to come to a resolution before it gets far, far worse.

I think so too...

That brings me back to the propaganda and the demonization of countries like Iran by western governments...



Binnie, the new voice of reason...;)

Kristy
08-22-2014, 01:46 PM
There would be massive military industrial complex job losses under my presidency...

ISIS and al-Qaeda are products of the military industrial complex, and it's now a complex problem...

See, we have lived our entire lives under this corruption and we as a people of all countries get suckered into it...

I don't like ISIS or any group slaughtering anyone, but is a civil war in a foreign land our business ??
For fuck's sake when you cannot see the irony in your statements then just shut the fuck up okay?

Kristy
08-22-2014, 01:47 PM
Poor Sesh...:cry:

I take back the fuck yourself comment though...

That wasn't nice...

Yet is very Christian of you.

DLR Bridge
08-22-2014, 01:54 PM
Binnie, the new voice of reason...;)

New? He's yet to have been unreasonable. :yo:

ELVIS
08-22-2014, 03:36 PM
Have you read his reviews ??

DLR Bridge
08-22-2014, 04:01 PM
They're unreasonable? Hmf.

DONNIEP
08-22-2014, 06:42 PM
A few days off ??

http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/politifact%2Fphotos%2FObama_golf_on_MV.jpg

LMAO!!

This picture is just begging to be photoshopped..

Kristy
08-22-2014, 07:01 PM
So Obama goosesteps from time to time. GET USED TO IT!

jacksmar
09-02-2014, 08:28 PM
They're re-running this story again.
Slow news day.

jacksmar
09-02-2014, 08:46 PM
Letter from the parents of Aaron Carson Vaughn of SEAL Team VI: Please resign, Mr. President

http://www.worldtribune.com/2014/08/27/letter-parents-aaron-carson-vaughn-seal-team-vi-please-resign-mr-president/

And now, we have this recent, heinous event: the beheading of an American citizen by a barbaric organization you foolishly referred to as “the JV team” in your statements to the New Yorker magazine in January.

You, sir, are the JV team. It’s time for you to step down and allow a true leader to restore our honor and protect our sons and daughters.

America has always been exceptional. And she will be again. You, Mr. President, are a bump in our road.

FORD
09-02-2014, 09:14 PM
And who exactly does that racist jackass moonie puppet think is going to run the country if Obama "resigns"?

I'm assuming he's not a fan of Joe Biden. Does he assume they will both quit and the orange drunk crybaby can be President.

Oh yeah, that would really be an improvement.......

DONNIEP
09-02-2014, 09:15 PM
Does he assume they will both quit and the orange drunk crybaby can be President.

Hey now, don't be dissin' the Tan!

jacksmar
09-02-2014, 09:22 PM
And who exactly does that racist jackass moonie puppet think is going to run the country if Obama "resigns"?

I'm assuming he's not a fan of Joe Biden. Does he assume they will both quit and the orange drunk crybaby can be President.

Oh yeah, that would really be an improvement.......

aww dodge, still got that cindy sheehan taste on your tonsils?

VP Joe Biden would make a different kind of prez. ask his son Beau.

Seshmeister
09-02-2014, 10:11 PM
Hey now, don't be dissin' the Tan!

I don't care what your politics are, that bozo is a toe curling embarrassment to your country.

He's like your Susan Boyle... :)

lesfunk
09-03-2014, 01:48 AM
What if we just killed all the Muslims? That would solve at least some of the problem... wouldn't it?

FORD
09-03-2014, 02:03 AM
What if we just killed all the Muslims? That would solve at least some of the problem... wouldn't it?

You really want to kill about 1.7 billion people over what a handful of assholes have done?

Hell, that's like saying Hitler might have been on to something because he somehow was able to look into the future and see Benji NuttyYahoo and Rahm Emanuel.

lesfunk
09-03-2014, 02:08 AM
I don't want to kill anybody. Hey, if you think you can talk some sense into them be my guest
I don't see any of the other 1.6999999999 billion speaking out against the assholes though.

Seshmeister
09-03-2014, 04:14 AM
Do you even know any Muslims?

ELVIS
09-03-2014, 07:06 AM
How about we stop meddling with Muslim countries and kill off the CIA and the Military Industrial Complex ??

DLR Bridge
09-03-2014, 07:45 AM
How about we stop meddling

If only we never started.

No more time for Monday morning quarter-backing, though. I can't see any light at the end of this tunnel. What would a decent "strategy" even be at this point?

Angel
09-03-2014, 07:55 AM
I don't want to kill anybody. Hey, if you think you can talk some sense into them be my guest
I don't see any of the other 1.6999999999 billion speaking out against the assholes though.
That's because either a) you're not looking or b) your media isn't showing you.
http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/08/21/muslim-leaders-have-roundly-denounced-islamic-s/200498

Nickdfresh
09-03-2014, 09:59 AM
How about we stop meddling with Muslim countries and kill off the CIA and the Military Industrial Complex ??

People like you would have to stop whoring for, and enabling, oil and gas lobbyists first with your CC denialist shit...

You're one of the douchebags that jerksoffs at Chrysler dealerships to useless, ridiculous cars with shitty gas mileage, but YOU'RE going to lecture us about dependance on Middle East oil? Fuckwit...

ELVIS
09-03-2014, 10:04 AM
First of all, I hardly drive that car at all...

Secondly, we produce enough oil right here at home...

Thirdly, you're a dork...

DONNIEP
09-03-2014, 10:10 AM
I don't care what your politics are, that bozo is a toe curling embarrassment to your country.

He's like your Susan Boyle... :)

Irrelevant when he has a tan that freaking awesome. :biggrin:

Von Halen
09-03-2014, 10:12 AM
You're one of the douchebags that jerksoffs at Chrysler dealerships to useless, ridiculous cars with shitty gas mileage, but YOU'RE going to lecture us about dependance on Middle East oil? Fuckwit...


The 700+ HP Dodge Challenger Hellcat gets better gas mileage than most cars built during the "oil crisis". It's built better, safer, more reliable and gets better mileage!

Come on dude. The business you're in, and you're going to talk about internal combustion engines, and the supposed strain they put on the environment, and gas and oil propaganda?

We (North America) do NOT need to rely on the middle east for oil. We are sitting on more here, than they have there. Between us and Canada, we could EASILY quit doing business with those fucks. But it's all POLITICS!

DONNIEP
09-03-2014, 10:18 AM
How about we stop meddling with Muslim countries

I'm all for that. But then the entire middle east is gonna be united under the most harsh version of Sharia Law you can imagine. We can't save the world and if those idiots want to keep treating their women lower than hammered dog shit, strap semtex underoos on their kids and basically chop and slice their way to a Caliphate then whatever. Except once they get a taste of ruling an entire region, they ain't gonna stop there. And why would they?

DONNIEP
09-03-2014, 10:22 AM
The 700+ HP Dodge Challenger Hellcat gets better gas mileage than most cars built during the "oil crisis". It's built better, safer, more reliable and gets better mileage!

Come on dude. The business you're in, and you're going to talk about internal combustion engines, and the supposed strain they put on the environment, and gas and oil propaganda?

We (North America) do NOT need to rely on the middle east for oil. We are sitting on more here, than they have there. Between us and Canada, we could EASILY quit doing business with those fucks. But it's all POLITICS!

Drill baby DRILL!! I want me some cheap gas and a Cadillac the size of my house!

lesfunk
09-03-2014, 12:01 PM
Do you even know any Muslims?

Of course I do! They own every gas station / convenience store in town!

vandeleur
09-03-2014, 12:03 PM
Of course I do! They own every gas station / convenience store in town!

You ask people in shops their religion ?

Kristy
09-03-2014, 12:05 PM
Do you even know any Muslims?

Yes. They work at the DMV.

DONNIEP
09-03-2014, 12:16 PM
We have friendly Pakis who own some of the gas stations around here. But I've got my eyes on those guys...just in case they get all glassy eyed and start staring at me like they wanna make me a Pez dispenser...

vandeleur
09-03-2014, 12:19 PM
That is sick as fuck and weirdly funny at the same time .... You sick bastid

Nickdfresh
09-03-2014, 02:57 PM
The 700+ HP Dodge Challenger Hellcat gets better gas mileage than most cars built during the "oil crisis". It's built better, safer, more reliable and gets better mileage!

It's 23-mpg on the highway, which most SUV's way surpass now, while hosting horsepower that was the standard NASCAR in the 1990's...


Come on dude. The business you're in, and you're going to talk about internal combustion engines, and the supposed strain they put on the environment, and gas and oil propaganda?

The business I'm in is all about government enforcing new standards of mileage and emissions on engines. While I'm not always a fan of the way they foisted benchmarks on manufacturers, the overall benefit is using less fuel and offsetting costs if not increasing profits through better fuel economy...


We (North America) do NOT need to rely on the middle east for oil. We are sitting on more here, than they have there. Between us and Canada, we could EASILY quit doing business with those fucks. But it's all POLITICS!

We still get enough Middle Eastern oil that when Isis takes over a few fields in Iraq, prices go up and fluctuates with the world markets...

Nickdfresh
09-03-2014, 02:59 PM
I'm all for that. But then the entire middle east is gonna be united under the most harsh version of Sharia Law you can imagine. We can't save the world and if those idiots want to keep treating their women lower than hammered dog shit, strap semtex underoos on their kids and basically chop and slice their way to a Caliphate then whatever. Except once they get a taste of ruling an entire region, they ain't gonna stop there. And why would they?

You think, LOL. You are aware of the huge schism in Islam which is far worse than anything in Christianity. ISIS has murdered two American journalists - and we're all in a tizzy...

You have any idea how many captured Shiites they've executed outright? It's a matter of time until the Baathists decide they've had enough...

Guitar Shark
09-03-2014, 03:11 PM
How about we stop meddling with Muslim countries and kill off the CIA and the Military Industrial Complex ??

Says the guy who voted for W twice...

DLR Bridge
09-03-2014, 03:14 PM
We still get enough Middle Eastern oil that when Isis takes over a few fields in Iraq, prices go up and fluctuates with the world markets...

S'pose I'm gonna jinx the shit outta things, but I've been enjoying a slow but gradual decline in gas prices around her. Regular unleaded currently at $3.03 near me.

DONNIEP
09-03-2014, 03:52 PM
You think, LOL. You are aware of the huge schism in Islam which is far worse than anything in Christianity. ISIS has murdered two American journalists - and we're all in a tizzy...

You have any idea how many captured Shiites they've executed outright? It's a matter of time until the Baathists decide they've had enough...

You won't get any argument out of me on that point. Like I said, if everybody wants to pull out and leave them to Slap Chop their way to power, fine by me.

Von Halen
09-03-2014, 03:54 PM
It's 23-mpg on the highway, which most SUV's way surpass now, while hosting horsepower that was the standard NASCAR in the 1990's...

23 MPG for a car that will be manufactured at a very modest production rate. 23 MPG is great for a 700 HP car. I just may get one. I'll keep the pedal mashed, and the gas flowing for you. By the way, my 2014 Dodge Ram doesn't get 23 MPG.




The business I'm in is all about government enforcing new standards of mileage and emissions on engines. While I'm not always a fan of the way they foisted benchmarks on manufacturers, the overall benefit is using less fuel and offsetting costs if not increasing profits through better fuel economy...

Come on Nicki Wiki, or is it Wiki Nicki? It's ALL about the Government, and greasing palms. Do you really believe it is cheaper to design and build high mileage cars, than it is to get the oil we don't seem to want to tap into, under our very own feet? Do you really think it's about the environment? Do you really think it's about "offsetting costs"? Your Government is killing your very business, with their rules and regulations. They don't care about anything but making themselves, and their partners in crime, more money. If you believe otherwise, I'll sell you that waterfall you live near.

I've said it before in these forums. I met the guy that supplies the batteries for the Tesla cars, as well as forklifts and hybrid cars. He is a rocket scientist. A millionaire many times over. He agreed with me that the whole "green" thing is nothing more than propaganda, and that the internal combustion engine is by far the most efficient means to power vehicles. He told me straight out, he is laughing all the way to the bank. The reason nobody is talking about, or addressing the issues with your Governments false claims about efficiency and "green" or alternative solutions, is because they are all bullshit. Do you know how much plastic is used in those batteries? Do you know how much plastic is used in a modern car? Do you know how much oil it takes to make said plastic? Do you know how much power it takes to charge one of those batteries? Do you know how much it's going to hurt our environment to dispose of all those fucking batteries when they wear out? This Country is short on power now. Are we going to build new power plants to keep up with the extra power demand? If so, what kind? Coal fired? Nuclear? It's called robbing Peter, to pay Paul.

Just keep believing your Government is looking out for your best interests Nick. Oh, and the best interests of the business you are in.




We still get enough Middle Eastern oil that when Isis takes over a few fields in Iraq, prices go up and fluctuates with the world markets...

Right. Because it's all POLITICS! We don't NEED to get ANY oil from those fucks! Your Government CHOOSES to get it from them, because they are as corrupt as the day is long! But hey, I know you think your boy Obamabeenfuckingyouinyourasswithnolube is looking out for your best interests, so pardon me for wasting my time trying to convince you otherwise.

Von Halen
09-03-2014, 04:05 PM
Let's not forget, those journalists wouldn't have gotten their heads chopped off, if they weren't out there traipsing around in sand ******ville. They just had to go and insert themselves into the middle of that shithole. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Their fucking ego's are responsible for their deaths.

Kristy
09-03-2014, 04:10 PM
Do you know how much plastic is used in those batteries? Do you know how much plastic is used in a modern car? Do you know how much oil it takes to make said plastic? Do you know how much power it takes to charge one of those batteries? Do you know how much it's going to hurt our environment to dispose of all those fucking batteries when they wear out?

The plastic is not the issue with hybrid batteries as much as the toxicity of the gasses they leak if damaged or ever become cracked due to temperature extremes. The mechanic I take my car to will not go near a Prius with any sort of electrical/battery issue for that very reason. I am in agreement with you on the whole "Think Green" marketing scam. Of course these batteries will be "recycled" if by recycled one means they will rot in a landfill in India next to all those CRT computer monitors and plastic water bottles. Oh, and iPhone batteries.

Kristy
09-03-2014, 04:15 PM
India (and/or China) throws them right into the ocean
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-TeIuLeULUeo/TzQP5fgD-ZI/AAAAAAAADBg/xHmNl6QQgHI/s1600/recycled-plastic-bottles.jpg

Recycled my F A T ass.

DONNIEP
09-03-2014, 04:24 PM
Let's not forget, those journalists wouldn't have gotten their heads chopped off, if they weren't out there traipsing around in sand ******ville. They just had to go and insert themselves into the middle of that shithole. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Their fucking ego's are responsible for their deaths.

I wouldn't go anywhere in that shithole and hang out without a truckload of guns, bullets, grenades, and claymores. Might as well drive around Detroit in a convertible Caddy with the top down. At night.

DLR Bridge
09-03-2014, 04:34 PM
You won't get any argument out of me on that point. Like I said, if everybody wants to pull out and leave them to Slap Chop their way to power, fine by me.

But you're also right in that their goals are not limited to their sand box o'er there.

Von Halen
09-03-2014, 04:35 PM
The plastic is not the issue with hybrid batteries as much as the toxicity of the gasses they leak if damaged or ever become cracked due to temperature extremes. The mechanic I take my car to will not go near a Prius with any sort of electrical/battery issue for that very reason. I am in agreement with you on the whole "Think Green" marketing scam. Of course these batteries will be "recycled" if by recycled one means they will rot in a landfill in India next to all those CRT computer monitors and plastic water bottles. Oh, and iPhone batteries.

I know. But I was just using the example I used, because of the oil used to make plastic in general, and ole NickD thinking his Government is looking out for him and his environment.

DONNIEP
09-03-2014, 04:59 PM
But you're also right in that their goals are not limited to their sand box o'er there.

Oh, come on now Bridge. Everybody knows that terrorism is "regional" and that it won't be exported here to the good ol' USA. I mean, these Brits and Americans rushing over there to fight with these makebelieve baddies would never come back to the West to try and blow shit up and chop off Honkey Heads over here. If we just leave them alone then everything will be fine. Besides, all we have to do is cut off all the money we're dumping into ISIS and they'll dry up and blow away. Because there's no money in Dirtville, no line of Saudis and others passing out truck loads of cash like Santy Claus tossing out candy in the Christmas Parade, and there's not really an endless supply of insane Honkey Haters over there ready to turn themselves into a red mist just to kill one or two of us. Nah, everything will be just fine.

So who's up for a trip to Syria? Because I hear it is absolutely beautiful over there this time of year and Priceline has some killer deals on flights and hotels. I mean so cheap you wouldn't believe it!

vandeleur
09-03-2014, 05:04 PM
Donnie your an American you don't have a passport :D

ELVIS
09-03-2014, 05:22 PM
Says the guy who voted for W twice...

Yeah...

That's when I was asleep like you and didn't give a shit...

DONNIEP
09-03-2014, 05:23 PM
Donnie your an American you don't have a passport :D

My passport says Springfield Armory on the side of it :biggrin:

Satan
09-03-2014, 05:38 PM
Don't worry about it kids.....

Soon all of this religious dragonshit and infighting will be done away with once and for all and replaced by the peaceful one world government of my son, the Antichrist. http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/teufel/d040.gif

Seshmeister
09-03-2014, 05:39 PM
Yeah...

That's when I was asleep like you and didn't give a shit...



But Shark wasn't asleep...

vandeleur
09-03-2014, 05:40 PM
My passport says Springfield Armory on the side of it :biggrin:

As in the Simpsons :)

PETE'S BROTHER
09-03-2014, 06:01 PM
My passport says Springfield Armory on the side of it :biggrin:

nudger lover

Guitar Shark
09-03-2014, 06:16 PM
But Shark wasn't asleep...

ELVIS is still asleep, just replaced W with Jeebus

Seshmeister
09-03-2014, 06:33 PM
And John Ashcroft with Alex Jones

Kristy
09-03-2014, 07:26 PM
I know. But I was just using the example I used, because of the oil used to make plastic in general, and ole NickD thinking his Government is looking out for him and his environment.

Nick just Wiki's the word "recycle."

Nickdfresh
09-03-2014, 08:00 PM
Nick just Wiki's the word "recycle."

I never said anything about "recycling" or batteries, or fuckwit "genius millionaires" douchebags who supposedly have it all figured out, you pothead....

Nickdfresh
09-03-2014, 08:04 PM
BTW, I hate hybrids, because the vast majority of them are automatic transmissions, sort of like the ugly pile of shit Von is going to buy. Again, another pile of shit "macho" horsepower POS marketed towards candyasses that can't even fucking shift a 5 speed and aren't ever going to get laid no matter what they buy...

ELVIS
09-03-2014, 09:03 PM
But Shark wasn't asleep...

How would you know ??

Kristy
09-03-2014, 10:03 PM
I never said anything about "recycling" or batteries, or fuckwit "genius millionaires" douchebags who supposedly have it all figured out, you pothead....

Odd how you always have an excuse for when you don't have an answer.

Nickdfresh
09-04-2014, 08:41 AM
23 MPG for a car that will be manufactured at a very modest production rate. 23 MPG is great for a 700 HP car. I just may get one. I'll keep the pedal mashed, and the gas flowing for you. By the way, my 2014 Dodge Ram doesn't get 23 MPG.

But who the fuck needs? Does anyone care if it has 707hp or 307? Buy one if that's what makes you happy. ;)

But Jesus, I'd rather have a Corvette for my midlife crisis, at least that thing LOOKS the part! :)


Come on Nicki Wiki, or is it Wiki Nicki? It's ALL about the Government, and greasing palms. Do you really believe it is cheaper to design and build high mileage cars, than it is to get the oil we don't seem to want to tap into, under our very own feet? Do you really think it's about the environment? Do you really think it's about "offsetting costs"? Your Government is killing your very business, with their rules and regulations. They don't care about anything but making themselves, and their partners in crime, more money. If you believe otherwise, I'll sell you that waterfall you live near.

Nicki Wiki I think.

The Tier system, launched under Clinton, was ALL about the environment! Not all legislation sucks the sperm out of lobbyist mouths. But it does turn out that better fuel economy is GOOD for business after all! Killing business? Oh God, poor poor U.S. corporations, forced to pay big sums to their politicians to buy them off, operate in hugely profitable markets using almost free (but aging) infrastructure, avoiding taxes to a large extent, and making billions in a relatively corruption free market place when compared to many other places.

Stop speaking out of two sides of your mouth Von! does big business special interest "own" the gov't or is gov't killing off poor big businesses? Because the last time I checked, U.S. corporations are making more money with less overhead than at anytime in history...


I've said it before in these forums. I met the guy that supplies the batteries for the Tesla cars, as well as forklifts and hybrid cars. He is a rocket scientist. A millionaire many times over. He agreed with me that the whole "green" thing is nothing more than propaganda, and that the internal combustion engine is by far the most efficient means to power vehicles. He told me straight out, he is laughing all the way to the bank. The reason nobody is talking about, or addressing the issues with your Governments false claims about efficiency and "green" or alternative solutions, is because they are all bullshit. Do you know how much plastic is used in those batteries? Do you know how much plastic is used in a modern car? Do you know how much oil it takes to make said plastic? Do you know how much power it takes to charge one of those batteries? Do you know how much it's going to hurt our environment to dispose of all those fucking batteries when they wear out? This Country is short on power now. Are we going to build new power plants to keep up with the extra power demand? If so, what kind? Coal fired? Nuclear? It's called robbing Peter, to pay Paul.

Just keep believing your Government is looking out for your best interests Nick. Oh, and the best interests of the business you are in.

I never said the gov't is looking out for my/our best interests. Just that they occasionally get something right despite themselves. I don't disagree that the internal combustion engine is the best we have right now, I said nothing about hybrids and all that shit. The Tesla car is every bit as much irrational penis-contest fuckwittery as is the Hellcat in some respects. But that doesn't mean a few more miles per gallon per car doesn't make a huge difference because it does and has. When Americans drive more efficient cars, the price of oil drops and it has a real dent on the end...

Did you ask your genius friend how much we pay in a military tax (spending 10X more on defense than our next 10 competitors combine IIRC) and how much that saps our economy? Do you think that is to protect our battery technology? No! It's to maintain a capability to deploy worldwide at a moments notice and largely to takeover oil fields. We're already paying "more". See the ridiculous "F-35" thread!

And they do have these things called the wind and the sun, in addition to new technologies to get more oil out of wells thought basically dry, which they're now doing in Northern PA and Southern Tier NY...



Right. Because it's all POLITICS! We don't NEED to get ANY oil from those fucks! Your Government CHOOSES to get it from them, because they are as corrupt as the day is long! But hey, I know you think your boy Obamabeenfuckingyouinyourasswithnolube is looking out for your best interests, so pardon me for wasting my time trying to convince you otherwise.

That's horseshit. You can piss on Obama all you want, we produce MORE OIL under him domestically that any previous president in the modern era. But that has little to do with my best interests...

Nickdfresh
09-04-2014, 08:48 AM
Odd how you always have an excuse for when you don't have an answer.

So when do you and Von get to fucking each other?

Von Halen
09-04-2014, 09:45 AM
But who the fuck needs?

Needs? You only purchase what you need? You must really need all that beer you drink!


Does anyone care if it has 707hp or 307?

I care. But I wouldn't expect you to be able to tell the difference between 307 HP and 707 HP. I doubt you've ever had grease under your fingernails, other than the lubricant you use to beat off with.


Buy one if that's what makes you happy. ;)

I just might. I am debating whether or not I want to go back to a classic, gas guzzling muscle car with around 600-800 HP, or if I want to go with the Hellcat with all the creature comforts of modern technology.


But Jesus, I'd rather have a Corvette for my midlife crisis, at least that thing LOOKS the part! :)

Well, most balding middle aged guys that like to wear gold chains, would waste their money on a piece of shit ugly ass 'Vette! Then they get all butt hurt when they get their plastic doors blown off by a real car, like a Mustang or Challenger.




Nicki Wiki I think.

Nicki Dicki!

VetteLS5
09-04-2014, 10:12 AM
It's a matter of time until the Baathists decide they've had enough...

Si'. And then we can get out our collective popcorn and watch them hack each other to bits.

VAiN
09-04-2014, 10:17 AM
I just might. I am debating whether or not I want to go back to a classic, gas guzzling muscle car with around 600-800 HP, or if I want to go with the Hellcat with all the creature comforts of modern technology.


Well, most balding middle aged guys that like to wear gold chains, would waste their money on a piece of shit ugly ass 'Vette! Then they get all butt hurt when they get their plastic doors blown off by a real car, like a Mustang or Challenger.


Go with the new car.. you can't beat having a shit-ton of power, leather seats, cold AC, kicking sound system and full-factory warrantee.

Agreed on the Vette.. the new ones look so cartoonish.. I guess it's love it or hate it.

VetteLS5
09-04-2014, 10:19 AM
But Jesus, I'd rather have a Corvette for my midlife crisis, at least that thing LOOKS the part! :)



Well, most balding middle aged guys that like to wear gold chains, would waste their money on a piece of shit ugly ass 'Vette! Then they get all butt hurt when they get their plastic doors blown off by a real car, like a Mustang or Challenger.

Wait a minute now! I bought my car at age 28, so it was a quarter-life crisis!

vandeleur
09-04-2014, 10:34 AM
Wait a minute now! I bought my car at age 28, so it was a quarter-life crisis!

Don't worry I have spunked cash on stupid things for 30 years now .... Don't define it's just a life crisis :D

Satan
09-04-2014, 11:05 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8b88US-6ts

PETE'S BROTHER
09-04-2014, 12:48 PM
Wait a minute now! I bought my car at age 28, so it was a quarter-life crisis!

you're gonna be 112?!?!?!

VetteLS5
09-04-2014, 12:53 PM
you're gonna be 112?!?!?!

Yes. Clearly my age, join date, and cred in my profile are dramatically lower than they should be.

PETE'S BROTHER
09-04-2014, 12:56 PM
Yes. Clearly my age, join date, and cred in my profile are dramatically lower than they should be.

numbers don't lie :nono:

Nickdfresh
09-04-2014, 01:05 PM
Needs? You only purchase what you need? You must really need all that beer you drink!

Well, yeah!


I care. But I wouldn't expect you to be able to tell the difference between 307 HP and 707 HP. I doubt you've ever had grease under your fingernails, other than the lubricant you use to beat off with.

Um, I change my own oil, dad!

Nickdfresh
09-04-2014, 01:06 PM
Don't worry I have spunked cash on stupid things for 30 years now .... Don't define it's just a life crisis :D

Fair point...

DONNIEP
09-04-2014, 01:09 PM
I just might. I am debating whether or not I want to go back to a classic, gas guzzling muscle car with around 600-800 HP, or if I want to go with the Hellcat with all the creature comforts of modern technology.

I say go for the classic. Who needs A/C and a video game built into their dash? Besides, it just feels good filling up a ride that you just know is gonna suck that tank dry before you finish tearing ass all around town.

Nitro Express
09-04-2014, 01:25 PM
23 MPG for a car that will be manufactured at a very modest production rate. 23 MPG is great for a 700 HP car. I just may get one. I'll keep the pedal mashed, and the gas flowing for you. By the way, my 2014 Dodge Ram doesn't get 23 MPG.





Come on Nicki Wiki, or is it Wiki Nicki? It's ALL about the Government, and greasing palms. Do you really believe it is cheaper to design and build high mileage cars, than it is to get the oil we don't seem to want to tap into, under our very own feet? Do you really think it's about the environment? Do you really think it's about "offsetting costs"? Your Government is killing your very business, with their rules and regulations. They don't care about anything but making themselves, and their partners in crime, more money. If you believe otherwise, I'll sell you that waterfall you live near.

I've said it before in these forums. I met the guy that supplies the batteries for the Tesla cars, as well as forklifts and hybrid cars. He is a rocket scientist. A millionaire many times over. He agreed with me that the whole "green" thing is nothing more than propaganda, and that the internal combustion engine is by far the most efficient means to power vehicles. He told me straight out, he is laughing all the way to the bank. The reason nobody is talking about, or addressing the issues with your Governments false claims about efficiency and "green" or alternative solutions, is because they are all bullshit. Do you know how much plastic is used in those batteries? Do you know how much plastic is used in a modern car? Do you know how much oil it takes to make said plastic? Do you know how much power it takes to charge one of those batteries? Do you know how much it's going to hurt our environment to dispose of all those fucking batteries when they wear out? This Country is short on power now. Are we going to build new power plants to keep up with the extra power demand? If so, what kind? Coal fired? Nuclear? It's called robbing Peter, to pay Paul.

Just keep believing your Government is looking out for your best interests Nick. Oh, and the best interests of the business you are in.





Right. Because it's all POLITICS! We don't NEED to get ANY oil from those fucks! Your Government CHOOSES to get it from them, because they are as corrupt as the day is long! But hey, I know you think your boy Obamabeenfuckingyouinyourasswithnolube is looking out for your best interests, so pardon me for wasting my time trying to convince you otherwise.

It's all about the petro-dollar and the geopolitical strategies financed by it. The US has been used as the piggy bank and enforcement arm of corporate gangsters who want to run the world with central banks and multinational corporations. Look who's sucking up all the assets. Multinational corporations. How? The central banks buy the politicians. If you try to start your own central bank, the US military pays you a visit.

It runs like the mob basically. International corporate mobsters loyal to no country and more powerful than most countries.

Nitro Express
09-04-2014, 01:36 PM
The internal combustion engine is the cheapest way to power a car. Batteries are the weak link in electric vehicles, plus the electricity they are charged has to come from somewhere. The green movement was invented by energy companies. It makes their products more expensive. It is all about the money. Right now there is a war between the nuclear and coal industries. The global warming crowd are pro nuclear.

Nitro Express
09-04-2014, 01:59 PM
Mr. Global Warming on the campaign trail in 2008. This was probably before General Electric and the nuclear industry bribed/threatened him enough.

Nitro Express
09-04-2014, 02:04 PM
Oh and everyone is worried about running out of potable water. Make electricity cheap enough you can run desalination plants. Most the population of California lives on the coast. Get the municipal water out of the Pacific Ocean instead of running aqueducts across the state and stealing water from other water challenged areas with no ocean nearby. Cheap electricity is the game changer but the powers that be want everything expensive. Water, electricity, carbon based fuels. It's about keeping the price up, not fixing any problems.