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Nickdfresh
08-23-2014, 08:42 PM
Obama orders review of police use of military hardware

By Steve Holland and Andrea Shalal

EDGARTOWN Mass./WASHINGTON Sat Aug 23, 2014 8:30pm EDT

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A riot police officer aims his weapon while demonstrators protest the shooting death of teenager Michael Brown, in Ferguson, Missouri in this file photo taken August 13, 2014. REUTERS-Mario Anzuoni

(Reuters) (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/24/us-usa-missouri-shooting-militarization-idUSKBN0GN0O920140824?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=71) - U.S. President Barack Obama has ordered a review of the distribution of military hardware to state and local police out of concern at how such equipment has been used during racial unrest in Ferguson, Missouri.

The president ordered the examination of federal programs and funding that enable state and local law enforcement to purchase such equipment, a senior Obama administration official said on Saturday.

Images of police wielding military-style guns and armor have shocked many Americans following clashes that were triggered by the fatal shooting of a black teenager, Michael Brown, by a white police officer in Ferguson two weeks ago.

Obama wants to know whether the programs, which were expanded after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, are appropriate and whether state and local law enforcement are given proper training, the official said.

The review will be led by White House staff including the Domestic Policy Council, the National Security Council, the Office of Management and Budget, and relevant U.S. agencies including the Departments of Defense, Homeland Security, Justice and Treasury, and conducted in coordination with Congress.

Obama signaled he would review the programs at a White House news conference on Monday when he said he wanted to make sure police were purchasing equipment they actually needed because there is "a big difference between our military and our local law enforcement and we don't want those lines blurred."

A growing number of lawmakers have voiced concern about the militarization of U.S. police forces through programs administered by the Pentagon, Justice Department and Department of Homeland Security.

Democratic Senator Claire McCaskill of Missouri, who heads the oversight subcommittee of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, announced plans this week for a hearing in September about the programs.

Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat, said last week he planned a review to ensure that the Pentagon's 1033 program, which transfers surplus equipment to local and state authorities, was working as intended before the full Senate considers the annual bill that authorizes military spending.

Key concerns include a clause in the program that requires police to use the equipment within a year, something the American Civil Liberties Union argues may give police forces an incentive to use the equipment in inappropriate situations. The program also does not mandate training for crowd control or other uses.

House of Representatives lawmakers defeated a bill to halt the 1033 program in a 355-62 vote in June, but concerns about the handling of the crisis in Ferguson have revived the reform effort.

COMPANIES HAVE EYED 'ADJACENT' MARKETS

The Pentagon has transferred more than $4 billion of equipment including armored vehicles, tents, rifles and night-vision goggles to local and state agencies since 2006, of which about 36 percent involved new equipment.

Over the past year alone, the Pentagon said, it has transferred some 600 armored military trucks known as MRAPS that were built for the war in Iraq.

In addition, the Department of Homeland Security has awarded more than $35 billion in grants over the past decade.

U.S. weapons makers have been eyeing what they call "adjacent" markets for years, keen to drum up fresh demand for products initially developed for the military, and recently, to offset declines in U.S. and European military spending.

Faced with a dwindling number of big-ticket military contracts, even the Pentagon's largest suppliers such as Lockheed Martin Corp (LMT.N) and Northrop Grumman Corp (NOC.N) are competing for increasingly smaller contracts in commercial or non-military markets, analysts and industry executives said.

Among the products marketed to state and local officials are military-grade communications equipment, radios, night-vision goggles, drones and other surveillance equipment.

Some smaller companies such as privately held Sierra Nevada Corp and Exelis Inc (XLS.N) are also marketing military-style reconnaissance systems to state and local governments to help agencies become more efficient, said Loren Thompson, chief operating officer of the Virginia-based Lexington Institute think tank.

But Michael Smith, managing director of the Virginia-based Silverline Group defense consultancy, said local law enforcement agencies accounted for less than 1 percent of the revenues of most defense contractors.

But he said the crisis in Ferguson could help niche firms by increasing demand for cameras, more coordinating centers and better training.

Digital Ally (DGLY.O), which makes tiny digital video cameras worn by police officers, and Taser International Inc, which makes stun guns, have seen a sharp increase in interest in their products since Aug. 9, the day of the fatal shooting in Ferguson.

The 1033 program was begun in 1991 to help police forces in the "War on Drugs," and was revamped in 1997 to include counterterrorism activities. Chris Coyne, economics professor at George Mason University in Virginia, said the program expanded sharply after the 2001 hijacked airliner attacks.

"Once it was in place, it led to opening the floodgates in an unquestioning manner to the state and local level. And people grabbed stuff because they could," Coyne said.

Coyne said he was particularly concerned about the use of such teams after the Boston Marathon bombing in 2013. "Shutting down a city and unleashing massive SWAT teams that look very similar to military forces abroad is problematic. Then in Ferguson, it just ramped up even more," he said.

(Reporting by Steve Holland in Edgartown, Massachusetts, and Andrea Shalal in Washington; Editing by Mohammad Zargham, Frances Kerry and Peter Cooney)

twonabomber
08-23-2014, 08:58 PM
But what's the other option, leave the gear behind and let wacko groups like ISIS have it?

The Cleveland paper ran an article about military gear being distributed locally. Our local community college got about 10 rifles. I was surprised that our sheriff's department didn't get anything, but the State Highway Patrol got a lot of stuff.

SunisinuS
08-24-2014, 07:44 PM
Ask Dick Cheney.....he is the one that made all the money off of it.

ODShowtime
08-25-2014, 06:38 AM
Well, the military industrial complex needs its profits, right? It's not like there's any rule about the army operating on US soil...

Nickdfresh
08-25-2014, 08:24 AM
Police getting surplus military equipment is nothing new, most here remember the TV show S.W.A.T., which sort of glorified the trend of U.S. police adopting paramilitary uniforms, equipment, and urban warfare tactics. And there were some good reasons for this such as the Charles Whiteman mass shooting in Texas, The LA bank robbers, etc. - where police had only shotguns to deal with a "Texas Bell Tower" sniper and had to go home and get their personal deer rifles - and that perhaps cost many lives. After Vietnam, you also had a glut of surplus equipment geared towards "counterinsurgency" and military trained specialists in counterinsurgency and counterterrorism. The rise of modern terrorism in incidents that happened such as The Munich Olympics in 1972 also contributed to police adopting new tactics.

The problem here is the equipment being given out like candy -or sold at deeply subsidized discounts- is much higher tech with surveillance capabilities. These new weapons and technologies also now are influencing police tactics away from minimal force and suppression and towards intimidation. You don't deal with rioters by deploying snipers with "designated shooter" semi-auto rifles traditionally in this country until now. That was the providence of places like Russia, the Ukraine, and Iran. It's a bit scary and over the top over what is really necessary. But it isn't anything dramatically new since police have had SWAT teams and various military style rifles since at least the early 1970's. It's a massive waste of taxpayer dollars with these "Homeland Security funds" arming every small town department to the teeth as well as a slap in the face to civil liberties. I agree that some organizations, like state or county police entities, should have a few armored vehicles to deal with extreme and rare situations. But not the fucking Podunk, KA Police Dept.

It's funny because locally, the County Sheriffs here had surplus helicopters from Vietnam like the egg-shaped OH-6 (Magnum P.I.) choppers and a Huey I think. It turned into a bit of a scandal when it was found the aircraft were not properly sold or transferred and it was essentially illegal. Spare parts were cut off and the Sheriffs here no longer have an air wing I think. Check that, on their site the "OH-6" is actually a Hughes 500 MD, a special operations chopper designed for counterterror missions and equipped with high tech sensors and was delivered via the military surplus program. I sleep well at night :D ..


Air 2 is a Hughes 500 Turbine Helicopter. This aircraft is capable of carrying a pilot and 3 passengers. The aircraft was given to the Sheriff's Office through the United States Military 1208 surplus equipment program. This aircraft was totally refurbished and immediately put into service with the latest high tech search and rescue equipment installed.

The Search & Rescue Unit is the only full time dedicated law enforcement helicopters in Erie County. We are available to 28 Police agencies and 96 fire companies in Erie County, and respond on a regular basis to assist the nine adjoining counties. We are also the official first-responder helicopter for the United States and Canadian Coast Guard in the Buffalo Area.

http://www2.erie.gov/sheriff/index.php?q=aviation-unit

"Search and rescue?" They could also easily mount Hellfire missiles on those and conduct search and destroy missions... :D

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/9/2/3/2172329.jpg

ELVIS
08-25-2014, 11:55 AM
I sleep well at night :D ..



That bullshit will not, and is not there to protect you...

twonabomber
08-25-2014, 12:04 PM
They oughta send all the stuff to our southern border. Even just park that shit with the empty guns pointing south, maybe a motion detector to spin the turret or something.

Kristy
08-25-2014, 12:32 PM
Obama signaled he would review the programs at a White House news conference on Monday when he said he wanted to make sure police were purchasing equipment they actually needed because there is "a big difference between our military and our local law enforcement and we don't want those lines blurred."

What Obama really needs to do is review America's ridiculous "War On Drugs" that has been the excuse lynchpin in police buying and utilizing insane military hardware. Of course, the psychology has changed by drug cartels to terrorists it is not the police's role to be the first responders in defense of a terrorist attack but now they have been accepted that way. But that is a much different story. Boston Marathon, anybody?

Remember Columbine? I sure do. One of the endless excuses the police used in not taken an active role in taking the shooters out was that they well "ill-equipped to handle whatever firepower the shooters may had have" while they hid behind fire trucks. It ended up as an embarrassment. So now what we have to save face are police officers playing Army Ranger or Navy Seal with no proper training or experience whatsoever.

If this is to continue at all, then what needs to be is a small, well-trained, informed socially and psychologically tested police officers to ever be allowed to come near such dangerous military hardware and that the hardware itself is massively restricted. Camouflage fatigues on police do not belong in urban settings nor do protestors need to be in the crosshairs of scopes in the hands of a officer who may not be all that stable (which, let's face it, most cops are not).

ELVIS
08-25-2014, 02:38 PM
Who's in charge of all of these moral decisions, you ??

Nickdfresh
08-25-2014, 06:42 PM
That bullshit will not, and is not there to protect you...

Well, irony is not, and will not, be grasped by you either... :D

Nickdfresh
08-25-2014, 06:49 PM
What Obama really needs to do is review America's ridiculous "War On Drugs" that has been the excuse lynchpin in police buying and utilizing insane military hardware....


I agree with the first part, the U.S. gov't DEFINITELY needs to reevaluate its policies on illegal substances and the whole "War on Drugs" thing is a complete abortion. I agree the military hardware is absolutely insane. But I disagree to the extent that I know where the police are coming from and I doubt it has much to do with the fear of drugs. It comes from a legitimate concern for preparedness of an extreme event such as a mass shooting, terrorist attack, natural disaster, zombie uprising, etc. It also comes from a place of the shit being like cheap goodies on fire-sale at a dollar store, so "why not stock up?" If I were a chief, FUCK YEAH! I would grab all the armored goodies I could when on the cheap. The question is restrictions and who should have it...