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Carloscda
09-06-2014, 09:56 PM
Gene Simmons is making headlines again, this time for burying rock ‘n’ roll. The outspoken artist says “Rock is finally dead,” in an interview conducted by his son Nick for Esquire magazine. The Kiss singer-bassist also shares his thoughts on the failing record business and how he would not want to be an up-and-coming artist today.

“The death of rock was not a natural death,” Simmons offers. “Rock did not die of old age. It was murdered. Some brilliance, somewhere, was going to be expressed, and now it won’t, because it’s that much harder to earn a living playing and writing songs. No one will pay you to do it.”

Simmons also offers sobering advice for young musicians and songwriters saying, “Don’t quit your day job is a good piece of advice. When I was coming up, it was not an insurmountable mountain. Once you had a record company on your side, they would fund you, and that also meant when you toured they would give you tour support.” He adds, “There are still record companies, and it does apply to pop, rap, and country to an extent. But for performers who are also songwriters — the creators — for rock music, for soul, for the blues — it’s finally dead. Rock is finally dead.”

He continues on about how he feels for this lost generation of kids who will not have the same opportunity that he had with Kiss. “It’s very sad for new bands. My heart goes out to them. They just don’t have a chance.” Simmons remarks. “If you play guitar, it’s almost impossible. You’re better off not even learning how to play guitar or write songs, and just singing in the shower and auditioning for ‘The X Factor.’ And I’m not slamming ‘The X Factor,’ or pop singers. But where’s the next Bob Dylan? Where’s the next Beatles? Where are the songwriters? Where are the creators?”

Simmons added that he is not being simply being cantankerous offering, “I’m not the guy to be pouting and complaining about stuff. I make a decent living. I’m very, very lucky. But that’s because we started before the chaos, in the days when people had to buy records. If you didn’t like a band, you didn’t buy their albums, and the people decided.”


http://www.esquire.com/blogs/culture/gene-simmons-future-of-rock

Nitro Express
09-06-2014, 10:41 PM
I was reading an interview with Kevin Dugan who was a roadie and stage manager for Van Halen and several other artists. He was also Michael Anthony's bass tech. Kevin has worked in the music business for many years and he was saying something similar. In the old days the record company paid for the road crew and they got medical insurance and benefits. Kevin said they were treated decent. Nowadays he said it's a different story. The money and benefits are harder to come by if you work out on the road.

The death of record labels changed the game. Gene is right. Now bands are going to have to find sponsors on their own and make the money on the road selling tickets. Acts today are going to have to work hard for every penny and without a big marketing organization, chances of making it big on your own will be very difficult. It sounds like not only are the artists going to be challenged to make a living but the people who support them are as well.

SunisinuS
09-06-2014, 10:49 PM
Isn't Gene Simmons dead? I thought he died last week from an elective procedure.

BITEYOASS
09-07-2014, 12:00 AM
Frankly, I won't be missing record companies anytime soon. In the end, they fucked themselves. If you want great music, go look for it your damn selves.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2BOJ-94IMg

BITEYOASS
09-07-2014, 12:05 AM
And don't get me started on MTV.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnLe_h4JI0M

Kristy
09-07-2014, 12:20 AM
Strange, strange times. I find myself in agreement with Simmons' F A T Jewish ass. The record industry has been a dead man walking for some time.

Satan
09-07-2014, 12:34 AM
Isn't Gene Simmons dead? I thought he died last week from an elective procedure.

Well, he is an elderly Jew who hangs out with Donald Trump, has had way too many plastic surgery procedures, and has made statements supporting genocide against Palestinians.

So I could see how you might confuse the two.

cadaverdog
09-07-2014, 01:38 AM
Well, he is an elderly Jew who hangs out with Donald Trump, has had way too many plastic surgery procedures, and has made statements supporting genocide against Palestinians.
I see you've fit another anti semitic comment into a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with politics. Of course Gene supports Israel. He was born there. He's a patriotic Israeli. They don't see it as genocide. What do you call it when Palestinians murder Israelis? You probably click your heels together and give a hearty Seig Heil.

78/84 guy
09-07-2014, 02:24 AM
That pathetic wig he has on his head just kills me ! Doesn't anyone close to him tell him how bad he looks with that thing ? God Gene get one with curls or some thing ! He makes a good point, I think People do feel entitled too music these days. I rarely copy c.d.s off people. If someone gives me one sure I'll take it. But I will also go buy the real thing if it's something I really liked. The band does deserve your money ! It's how they survive. I'm old school. I want the artwork also. I wouldn't even know how too download a song. Rock isn't dead though. It's just underground music now. There is plenty of good stuff out there.

Satan
09-07-2014, 04:30 AM
I see you've fit another anti semitic comment into a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with politics. Of course Gene supports Israel. He was born there. He's a patriotic Israeli. They don't see it as genocide. What do you call it when Palestinians murder Israelis? You probably click your heels together and give a hearty Seig Heil.

I don't have heels, I have cloven hooves. And if you're looking for anti-semitism, try Mr. Presley's posts. How in Hell's name is it "anti-semitic" to oppose the Israelis doing to others what Adolf & the boys did to their grandparents?

cadaverdog
09-07-2014, 04:52 AM
How in Hell's name is it "anti-semitic" to oppose the Israelis doing to others what Adolf & the boys did to their grandparents?
Because they're not. The Palestinians aren't trying to get along with the Israeli anymore than the Israelis are trying to get along with them. The Israeli aren't rounding up Palestinians and putting them in death camps either. I'm sure the Palestinians would love to see the Israelis exterminated too. They just don't have the manpower and technology to do it or they would have done it by now. Now kiss your Yasser Arafat picture and go to bed.

SunisinuS
09-07-2014, 07:29 AM
I see you've fit another anti semitic comment into a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with politics. Of course Gene supports Israel. He was born there. He's a patriotic Israeli. They don't see it as genocide. What do you call it when Palestinians murder Israelis? You probably click your heels together and give a hearty Seig Heil.

It was not Satan that started it...I just tempted him.

Kristy
09-07-2014, 08:29 AM
Metal was and always will be absolute shit. Right, Kurt?

Kristy
09-07-2014, 08:49 AM
I FUCKING LOVE THIS!!! Seeing Jaz Coleman looking like the creepy vampire dude from the Adams Family all decked out in the latest fascist regalia singing on about nuclear annihilation. That's rock 'n' roll! Christ, the amount of sex, weed and fun I had to that first Killing Joke album while all you cretins were slumming your parents basement jerking off to soft core porn on Cinemax and listening to crap like KISS and that 'Eye Of the Tiger' shit.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/01/Killing_Joke_album.jpg

So musically anemic this record almost made want to do heroin just so I would "get it."


And now, here is a photo of nine-time U.S. Champion bad ass Michelle Kwan (enjoy):
http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2010/02/03/1__1265202271_9076.jpg
Ssss'up, people?

Angel
09-07-2014, 08:49 AM
I see you've fit another anti semitic comment into a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with politics. Of course Gene supports Israel. He was born there. He's a patriotic Israeli. They don't see it as genocide. What do you call it when Palestinians murder Israelis? You probably click your heels together and give a hearty Seig Heil.
He didn't say anything anti-semitic in that post. Wanting to end apartheid in Palestine DOES NOT EQUAL ANTI-SEMITISM!!!! Even holocaust survivors agree:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/holocaust-survivors-and-their-descendants-accuse-israel-of-genocide-9687994.html

Sunday 24 August 2014

Dozens of Holocaust survivors, together with hundreds of descendants of Holocaust survivors and victims, have accused Israel of “genocide” for the deaths of more than 2,000 Palestinians in Gaza since the conflict erupted in July.

In an open letter released by the International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network and published as an advert in The New York Times, the group calls for a full economic, cultural and academic boycott of Israel over its “wholesale effort to destroy Gaza”.

“Genocide begins with the silence of the world,” the statement reads, “We must raise our collective voices and use our collective power to bring about an end to all forms of racism, including the ongoing genocide of Palestinian people.”

The statement also condemns the United States for its financial and diplomatic support of Israel.

The signatories express alarm at “the extreme, racist dehumanization of Palestinians in Israeli society, which has reached a fever pitch.”

This condemnation was designed as a response to a widely-published advertisement from Nobel prize-winning author Elie Wiesel that condemned Hamas for its “use of children as human shields”.

The statement reads: “We are disgusted and outraged by Elie Wiesel’s abuse of our history […] to justify the unjustifiable.”

Of the 327 signatories, 40 survived the Holocaust and the other 287 are descendants of Holocaust survivors or victims.

Recent today reports refer to the destruction of an high rise office building in the southern town of Rafah, and the bombing of an apartment building in Gaza City amid attempts from the Egyptian government to establish a durable ceasefire.

More than 2,100 Palestinians, including 500 children have been killed in the conflict, according to Palestinian health officials and UN figures. Israel has lost 64 soldiers and four civilians.

Kristy
09-07-2014, 08:56 AM
I see you've fit another anti semitic comment into a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with politics.

Oh, do shut the fuck up you emotionally disturbed social worker's wet dream.

Nitro Express
09-07-2014, 09:04 AM
Well, he is an elderly Jew who hangs out with Donald Trump, has had way too many plastic surgery procedures, and has made statements supporting genocide against Palestinians.

So I could see how you might confuse the two.

Gene is a supporter of Netanyahu. David Lee Roth once said "Fuck the Palestinians.". Reading Crazy from the Heat, it seems like Dave and Gene have similar views regarding Israel.

Kristy
09-07-2014, 09:16 AM
http://www.rollogrady.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/jaimeking.jpg

Yeah, hi. My name is Mary. I am a 22 year-old runaway from Modesto, California. Basically, I blow failed musicians for some skag and a place to crash. Now seeing the music industry is dying I may have to start to look for a real job. Being a blow job Queen junkie for bands like Arcade Fire and Sun Kil Moon is all right and for a while I lived a comfy life despite the hair lice and body crabs I caught from a record producer while in New York. I once OD'd at a Yo La Tengo show in Saint Paul. Ended up in the E.R. with a catheter in my arm and a bag of Frito Lays in my bra strap. Good times. I'll miss the music industry. It was my life.

Kristy
09-07-2014, 09:29 AM
http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/236x/3b/eb/ab/3bebab1b013033ae212de65cbbbb753a.jpg

Hello, my name is Rutus or "Root" for short. I play in a band called 'The Dreary Sunday.' We're a cross between a bleached white suburban Smiths and a high school talent show. Now that a F A T Jew claims the industry is dying I guess I should keep my day job. Problem with that is that I never had a job. My $200 haircut? Parents. My trendy clothes from the feminine section of Forever 21 and Hot Topic? Parents. My VW that I drive to gigs at the local Starbucks? Parents. Here's is some lyrics I wrote about the industry. It's called 'Purple Lake'

Purple Lake is a frost on my soul
I exist to be. Why, I don't know
I may be gay, no one can for sure say
Purple Lake is the only one who knows

Yeah, it needs work but who really wrote those lyrics? Parents.

Kristy
09-07-2014, 09:41 AM
http://www.tumyeto.com/images_new/news/7385diegometalkids.jpg

Sssss'up, faggots? We're a metal act called 'Gears Of Doom' Yeah, we know it's like Gears Of War since we play a lot of fucking XBox but seeing our collective IQ of being in a metal band is no more than say, around 12 it's the best we could come up with. We are young musicians except for the guy on the right who we found sleeping in our skate park who is around 25 and claims he has been in the "'Stan" and the 'Rock'" killing Al Queda cockbiters and how it totally fucked him up. We dig that. Not dig like hippie dig because we fucking hate hippies but dig like dig, y'know? That dude has been around and metal is all about being around not too mention having latent homosexual tendencies although the old dude claims he knows what "pussy" is.

Anyway, we think the whole "rock is dead" is really cool. We watch a lot of fucking 'Walking Dead' and if the musical industry is anything like that then fuck yeah.

BITEYOASS
09-07-2014, 09:44 AM
I know some of you don't give two fucks about Slipknot, but Corey Taylor does make a good point about those fucking CD cases.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2USj8sTLKGk

Kristy
09-07-2014, 09:47 AM
I know some of you don't give two fucks about Slipknot, but Corey Taylor does make a good point about those fucking CD cases.

Whatever, thread shitter. White corporate industry acts like Slipsyphilis complaining like whipped puppies about CD cases of all fucking things. What in the fuck is wrong with you?

BITEYOASS
09-07-2014, 09:56 AM
Rock is only dead from a business perspective, musically it still exists. Of course parasites like Gene sucked as much money as they could out of it and left that business for dead. So now everyone is back to the old routine of looking for great bands your damn self as opposed to relying on big name media outlets to do the looking for them. And frankly that's the way it should be. Last thing I want is some big-wig asshat telling me what's the next big thing in rock n' roll.

BITEYOASS
09-07-2014, 10:01 AM
And now here is a real musical genius giving his opinion of how fucked the music industry became.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZazEM8cgt0

Fairwrning
09-07-2014, 10:03 AM
I will say good luck with going down to your local record store ( if you still have one) and buying a cd...maybe you find one stuck behind the katy perry section..

Kristy
09-07-2014, 10:08 AM
HEY!

Don't be dissin' on Katy.
http://i.usatoday.net/communitymanager/_photos/lifeline-live/2012/02/05/katy-perryx-inset-community.jpg
Come on into my kitchen

She knows da Blooz better than Scheppy Zeppelin ever will.

BITEYOASS
09-07-2014, 10:10 AM
And now some more...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgVUei2853A

Fairwrning
09-07-2014, 10:11 AM
Katy Perry is a babe..but I have no use for her cds

Kristy
09-07-2014, 10:11 AM
Post something of your own originality, thread shitter. Zappa is a condescending prick.

Kristy
09-07-2014, 10:13 AM
Katy Perry is a babe..but I have no use for her cds

Really? I bet you stick your tiny dick in the hole when you masturbate to her music. Zappa says it's "natural."

BITEYOASS
09-07-2014, 10:14 AM
Whatever, thread shitter. White corporate industry acts like Slipsyphilis complaining like whipped puppies about CD cases of all fucking things. What in the fuck is wrong with you?

Shouldn't you be heading down to your nearby BDSM club in order to get a good fist fucking that you like to receive on a daily basis? :finger33:

Kristy
09-07-2014, 10:18 AM
On a Sunday morning the only BDSM club is the local church.
http://www.demask.com/images/popups/styles/CD_21_LD%20034-SCAN%20076.JPG

Nitro Express
09-07-2014, 01:44 PM
Because they're not. The Palestinians aren't trying to get along with the Israeli anymore than the Israelis are trying to get along with them. The Israeli aren't rounding up Palestinians and putting them in death camps either. I'm sure the Palestinians would love to see the Israelis exterminated too. They just don't have the manpower and technology to do it or they would have done it by now. Now kiss your Yasser Arafat picture and go to bed.

What I find ironic is we live in a country where it's constitutionally forbidden to have a theocracy but we support one overseas. Then enough Israeli dual citizens have wormed their way into the US federal government we seem to be running an Israel foreign policy and not a US foreign policy. I think we should have ended any support of Israel when the USS Liberty was attacked and that attack was on purpose and no accident. Why do we support a country that shot up one of our naval vessels and killed some of the crew? Why do we support a country that does not support freedom of religion? Israel is a jewish theocracy that is trigger happy. Remember the leaders of that state think they are chosen and better than anyone else. Do you want to support that way of thinking? I don't.

cadaverdog
09-07-2014, 01:50 PM
He didn't say anything anti-semitic in that post. Wanting to end apartheid in Palestine DOES NOT EQUAL ANTI-SEMITISM!!!!

You obviously don't have a clue what the word even means. Saying Israel is practicing apartheid is an anti semitic remark. I don't really give a fuck what goes on over there. They can all kill each other as far as I'm concerned. I just get tired of hearing every jew that supports Israel is wrong for doing it.

Satan
09-07-2014, 01:59 PM
The people of the world managed to bring down South African apartheid in the 80s. Maybe it's time you mortals do it again? Or do you have to wait for the arrival of my son, the Antichrist??


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlMdYpnVOGQ

sadaist
09-07-2014, 02:44 PM
Fuck Gene Simmons lol. Never a fan of KISS. Like a handful of tunes & that's it.

VAN FUCKING HALEN FOR LIFE BITCHES!!!!

chuckjitsu
09-07-2014, 03:34 PM
Of course parasites like Gene sucked as much money as they could out of it and left that business for dead.

That's exactly what I was thinking, so I found it ironic that Gene would be bitching about a situation he helped create.

I've never really paid much attention to KISS, but I just finished Peter Criss' book. I'd heard over the years about Gene and Paul being assholes, but wow. Ace doesn't exactly come across well either (neither did Peter himself, ironically enough).

Angel
09-07-2014, 04:24 PM
You obviously don't have a clue what the word even means. Saying Israel is practicing apartheid is an anti semitic remark. I don't really give a fuck what goes on over there. They can all kill each other as far as I'm concerned. I just get tired of hearing every jew that supports Israel is wrong for doing it.
You're the one that doesn't have a clue. Anti-semitic means hatred of Jews, not the state of Israel...and it IS apartheid. Their "pass system" was borrowed from South Africa...which was borrowed from Canada.

Nitro Express
09-07-2014, 04:47 PM
The state of Israel was set up and is ran by the Rothschilds. It's government has always been corrupt. Being jewish means either you or your ancestors joined it. All the genealogy has been destroyed from ancient Jerusalem. The jews no longer can prove their lineage and priesthood. If someone says they are of the tribe of Levi and they are going to rebuild the temple, they are making it all up. Nobody really knows what they are. But there is this religion called Judism they belong to. A native Palistinian might have the right lineage to rebuild and run the temple. Who knows. Who cares. The only people who care are the assholes of Abraham.

Satan
09-07-2014, 04:58 PM
Mike Malloy had the perfect analogy on the whole Israel/Palestine mess a couple weeks ago......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka9-tT8UPwk

sadaist
09-07-2014, 05:48 PM
From Gene Simmons to Mike Malloy in 1 thread flat. Ahhhh feels good to be back! :)

Kristy
09-07-2014, 06:02 PM
Why is Mallory so angry? Is it because he's white?

And what's with the beard? Some sort of Kenny Rodgers identity crisis?

cadaverdog
09-07-2014, 09:11 PM
You're the one that doesn't have a clue. Anti-semitic means hatred of Jews, not the state of Israel...and it IS apartheid. Their "pass system" was borrowed from South Africa...which was borrowed from Canada.
If you hate the state of Israel you're an anti semite.
Anti-Semitism (also spelled antisemitism or anti-semitism) is prejudice against, hatred of, or discrimination against Jews as a national, ethnic, religious or racial group.[1][2] A person who holds such positions is called an "anti-Semite". As Jews are an ethnoreligious group, anti-Semitism is generally considered a form of racism.
You accussed Israel of practicing apartheid. You're discriminating against jews as a nation. You don't live there. Who are you to judge them? A racist canuck. Why don't you petition your government to replace the maple leaf with the swastika as your national symbol, Eva Braun?

David Wolf
09-07-2014, 09:43 PM
Yeah, Mick Jagger observed something along these very same lines about a couple of years ago or so.

It's not just the record biz, either. It's the entire entertainment industry. Everything is wildly over-"market tested" in this country. The artists are simply not allowed to get into a position to be in control anymore like they once were. These days, going indie is pretty much the only way to go.

Satan
09-07-2014, 09:48 PM
If you hate the state of Israel you're an anti semite.


Dragonshit.....


Sem·ite
noun \ˈse-ˌmīt, especially British ˈsē-ˌmīt\

: a member of a group of people originally of southwestern Asia that includes Jews and Arabs

a : a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs
b : a descendant of these peoples

So the Palestinians are actually Semites without question. Whether or not white Russians like NuttyYahoo are is open to debate.

DLR Bridge
09-07-2014, 10:01 PM
These days, going indie is pretty much the only way to go.

Or selling out. I remember Sting conceded that the use of his music for Jaguar commercials was an intentional attempt to be 'heard'. Gotta do what'cha gotta do.

David Wolf
09-07-2014, 10:08 PM
Or selling out. I remember Sting conceded that the use of his music for Jaguar commercials was an intentional attempt to be 'heard'. Gotta do what'cha gotta do.

I'm glad you pointed that out; I almost added the words "or selling out" at the end of my post, but figured I had already said enough. ;)

Quite a few acts seem to do such things and get extra money on the sly, but very cautiously; remember the number of artists here in the West who would normally never do a television commercial advertising something with their music (including Dave) doing so overseas in Japan?

DONNIEP
09-07-2014, 10:16 PM
Gene's right about one thing: The first time you get onstage and play for money, you've sold out. And there's no shame in that. How many musicians really want to be poor as shit and never get their music heard? Ok, there's that wino that hangs out at the post office playing harmonica, but other than him - None.

DLR Bridge
09-07-2014, 10:40 PM
Gene's right about one thing: The first time you get onstage and play for money, you've sold out. And there's no shame in that.

Naahh. That's just a line to make everyone seem as shameless and guilty as him. I'd been on stage and played for money. That money went into stamps and flyers for the next show. Millions of bands have played there asses off to reach for success, this much is true, but not all musicians strive to be like Yogurt from Spaceballs the way Gene did.

DONNIEP
09-07-2014, 10:59 PM
If you got paid then you sold out. And I hope you sold out every show :biggrin:

David Wolf
09-07-2014, 11:05 PM
Naahh. That's just a line to make everyone seem as shameless and guilty as him. I'd been on stage and played for money. That money went into stamps and flyers for the next show. Millions of bands have played there asses off to reach for success, this much is true, but not all musicians strive to be like Yogurt from Spaceballs the way Gene did.

That reminds me of something a friend once told me at work. I like Kiss okay, but still laughed when he remarked, "Kiss didn't want to be a rock band; they wanted to be Pepsi." ;)

Nickdfresh
09-07-2014, 11:09 PM
Oh FFS, which Simmons is a bigger whoremongering fucking queen? Gene or Richard?
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2539/3999652629_5a8e847334.jpg

Angel
09-07-2014, 11:10 PM
If you hate the state of Israel you're an anti semite.
Anti-Semitism (also spelled antisemitism or anti-semitism) is prejudice against, hatred of, or discrimination against Jews as a national, ethnic, religious or racial group.[1][2] A person who holds such positions is called an "anti-Semite". As Jews are an ethnoreligious group, anti-Semitism is generally considered a form of racism.
You accussed Israel of practicing apartheid. You're discriminating against jews as a nation. You don't live there. Who are you to judge them? A racist canuck. Why don't you petition your government to replace the maple leaf with the swastika as your national symbol, Eva Braun?
You're an uneducated idiot, and show me where I said I hated Israel. You want to tell these holocaust survivors that they're anti-semitic while you're at it? My issue with Israel is the apartheid practices and the cultural genocide they are participants in. They learned from the best, after all...

http://m.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28916761

DONNIEP
09-07-2014, 11:14 PM
Oh FFS, which Simmons is a bigger whoremongering fucking queen? Gene or Richard?
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2539/3999652629_5a8e847334.jpg

Hello new avatar...

David Wolf
09-07-2014, 11:23 PM
Oh FFS, which Simmons is a bigger whoremongering fucking queen? Gene or Richard?
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2539/3999652629_5a8e847334.jpg

Rotfl, YICK, that's gonna give me nightmares tonight! Lol! ;)

Carloscda
09-08-2014, 12:05 AM
Bottom line with everything digital now buying records are not the way they use to be. No matter what genera no one's making money like they use to.

cadaverdog
09-08-2014, 12:07 AM
You're an uneducated idiot, and show me where I said I hated Israel.
I'm an uneducated idiot for cutting and pasting the definition of anti-semitic?

I hate Israel
Right there.

Angel
09-08-2014, 12:22 AM
I'm an uneducated idiot for cutting and pasting the definition of anti-semitic?

Right there.
Your right there link takes me to a Golden Awe post in the sheep pen. You're an idiot. Period.

cadaverdog
09-08-2014, 12:28 AM
Your right there link takes me to a Golden Awe post in the sheep pen. You're an idiot. Period.
Because I don't agree with your politics? Whatever Eva.

Angel
09-08-2014, 12:28 AM
And how about you cite your reputable source, and no, Wiki doesn't suffice. Let's go with Oxford:

Hostility to or prejudice against Jews. I dislike the religion just as much as all the others, but i respect an individuals rights to their own beliefs. I'm probably the most non-racist person you could ever meet...


Idiot.

David Wolf
09-08-2014, 12:32 AM
Bottom line with everything digital now buying records are not the way they use to be. No matter what genera no one's making money like they use to.

Yeah, it's unfortunately true that digital saves them all cash and is convenient for purchase. There's something far more special about official digital copies, though, particularly if you enjoy the art. While it's true that iTunes gives you the option to printout the booklet/liner notes, for instance, that just doesn't feel the same to me personally as having the genuine item.

Angel
09-08-2014, 12:32 AM
And now, back on topic. The marketing and distribution has changed, but there's a lot of good music out there if you look for it...

cadaverdog
09-08-2014, 12:34 AM
And how about you cite your reputable source, and no, Wiki doesn't suffice. Let's go with Oxford:

Hostility to or prejudice against Jews. I dislike the religion just as much as all the others. I'm probably the most non-racist person you could ever meet...


Idiot.
Lets go with kiss my ass Angel. Obviously the right there post was a fucking joke. As I already told you I don't give a fuck if everybody in the middle east kills each other. They're all heathens.

Angel
09-08-2014, 12:35 AM
Because I don't agree with your politics? Whatever Eva.
??? You're too fucking stupid to even waste my time with...

Mushroom
09-08-2014, 12:42 AM
I know some of you don't give two fucks about Slipknot, but Corey Taylor does make a good point about those fucking CD cases.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2USj8sTLKGk

Yet again I fail to see any redeeming quality in slipnot. This manchild acts like a 7 year old with ADHD. And to boot, sounds like he has no technique for opening sealed jewel cases. I have 30 years experience and no problem.

Satan
09-08-2014, 12:45 AM
http://www.israel21c.org/news/holy-socks-israeli-artists-set-world-record/ :sockfucker:

cadaverdog
09-08-2014, 12:59 AM
??? You're too fucking stupid to even waste my time with...
You started it dumbass. Why do you give a fuck if I call Ford an anti-semite? Sounds like you need a nose job.

cadaverdog
09-08-2014, 01:00 AM
http://www.israel21c.org/news/holy-socks-israeli-artists-set-world-record/
I think you're the one with the sock fetish pal. Must be a liberal thing.

Nitro Express
09-08-2014, 01:21 AM
And now, back on topic. The marketing and distribution has changed, but there's a lot of good music out there if you look for it...

There's probably more local talent than people realize. To be a big star you need the marketing and distribution machine. The record labels provided that.

cadaverdog
09-08-2014, 02:03 AM
There's probably more local talent than people realize. To be a big star you need the marketing and distribution machine. The record labels provided that.
I think one of the main reasons that rock and roll appears to be dying has more to do with the fact young people have alot more to entertain themselves nowdays than listening to or playing music.

ashstralia
09-08-2014, 04:38 AM
I think one of the main reasons that rock and roll appears to be dying has more to do with the fact young people have alot more to entertain themselves nowdays than listening to or playing music.

You would be correct there, CDawg. I have a vested interest in the music industry, I remember having a convo with one of Australia's largest instrument importer at a music trade show about how to get kids wanting to play in rock bands again.


In 1997.

ashstralia
09-08-2014, 04:44 AM
Ironically, a lot of bands here (young hipsters and 'heritage' alike) still press their music onto hq vinyl. There are still a few Aussie companies providing the service, and people are buying it.

A local young band I know just produced a limited run of a single, sold em all before they were pressed. :)

BITEYOASS
09-08-2014, 06:38 AM
Oh FFS, which Simmons is a bigger whoremongering fucking queen? Gene or Richard?
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2539/3999652629_5a8e847334.jpg

Time for me to bring up another Sam Kinison routine at the 3:40 mark:


http://youtu.be/bkpg424Yb9s?t=3m41s

DLR Bridge
09-08-2014, 07:14 AM
If you got paid then you sold out. And I hope you sold out every show :biggrin:

"I never sold out... I bought in."

Name that movie :yo:

DLR Bridge
09-08-2014, 07:27 AM
Yeah, it's unfortunately true that digital saves them all cash and is convenient for purchase. There's something far more special about official digital copies, though, particularly if you enjoy the art. While it's true that iTunes gives you the option to printout the booklet/liner notes, for instance, that just doesn't feel the same to me personally as having the genuine item.

I now feel just how my Dad probably felt when albums went the way of the tape, then CD. I love the CD format for purchase and I miss 'the hunt' at new and used CD stores. Getting them on line just ain't the same, but better than nothing. I just hate where technology is going with official product. You have to have full trust in your computer and your own computing skills (of which I have next to none) to manage your collection. Yuck! I want my shit stacked on a shelf where I can sees it, dang it! I'll take an IPod over a discman any day, but beyond that, gimme a stereo with a CD player.

David Wolf
09-08-2014, 08:56 AM
I now feel just how my Dad probably felt when albums went the way of the tape, then CD. I love the CD format for purchase and I miss 'the hunt' at new and used CD stores. Getting them on line just ain't the same, but better than nothing. I just hate where technology is going with official product. You have to have full trust in your computer and your own computing skills (of which I have next to none) to manage your collection. Yuck! I want my shit stacked on a shelf where I can sees it, dang it! I'll take an IPod over a discman any day, but beyond that, gimme a stereo with a CD player.

EXACTLY! You hit the nail right on the head. I couldn't have put it better myself! ;)

Nitro Express
09-08-2014, 11:13 AM
Rock is only dead from a business perspective, musically it still exists. Of course parasites like Gene sucked as much money as they could out of it and left that business for dead. So now everyone is back to the old routine of looking for great bands your damn self as opposed to relying on big name media outlets to do the looking for them. And frankly that's the way it should be. Last thing I want is some big-wig asshat telling me what's the next big thing in rock n' roll.

I think a better way to put it is the big rockstar is dead. What were all those kids on the Sunset Strip trying to get in the 1980's? A record deal. That was the dream. Gone are the days when bands could put out albums and sell millions of them and whoever in the band had the publishing rights made even more. Now money has to be earned the hard way. On the road.

That doesn't mean an artist can't go out on the road themselves and make some good money. They won't have a record company taking it's cut but they also won't have the marketing and promotion that provided. There won't be the big stage show. Things will be slimmed down. But maybe all that got a bit silly anyways. Who knows.

binnie
09-08-2014, 01:07 PM
Rock is only dead from a business perspective, musically it still exists. Of course parasites like Gene sucked as much money as they could out of it and left that business for dead. So now everyone is back to the old routine of looking for great bands your damn self as opposed to relying on big name media outlets to do the looking for them. And frankly that's the way it should be. Last thing I want is some big-wig asshat telling me what's the next big thing in rock n' roll.

This is true.

It seems that if you want to make money as a 'pop star' now, you have to have your own perfume and a range of endorsements. Record sales bring in shit.

binnie
09-08-2014, 01:09 PM
Oh FFS, which Simmons is a bigger whoremongering fucking queen? Gene or Richard?
https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2539/3999652629_5a8e847334.jpg

That's Elvis :D

Kristy
09-08-2014, 01:24 PM
Gene's right about one thing: The first time you get onstage and play for money, you've sold out. And there's no shame in that. How many musicians really want to be poor as shit and never get their music heard? Ok, there's that wino that hangs out at the post office playing harmonica, but other than him - None.


Oh your poor, poor Walmart degenerative consumer. You have no clue. "Selling Out" is when the corporate label you just signed to takes 98% of your revenue and also owns your merchandising and music publishing rights. "Selling Out" is when a metrosexual in leather pants comes backstage to one of your gigs and says touring is expensive but if your place these corporate banners (usually beer) they will help to pay for some of the expense(s). "Selling Out" is playing for mega-corporate sponsored shill events like 'Burning Man' and 'Coachella' and then going on Letterman. "Selling Out" is suffering for your art by taking it up the ass by greedy execs in suits, only back in the F A T Jew's day there were far more opportunities.

Kristy
09-08-2014, 01:26 PM
And, of course, 'Mr. Fucking Know-It-All Can Never Shut The Fuck Up' only helps the system. Fuck him and his warped attitude.

Nitro Express
09-08-2014, 03:06 PM
Oh your poor, poor Walmart degenerative consumer. You have no clue. "Selling Out" is when the corporate label you just signed to takes 98% of your revenue and also owns your merchandising and music publishing rights. "Selling Out" is when a metrosexual in leather pants comes backstage to one of your gigs and says touring is expensive but if your place these corporate banners (usually beer) they will help to pay for some of the expense(s). "Selling Out" is playing for mega-corporate sponsored shill events like 'Burning Man' and 'Coachella' and then going on Letterman. "Selling Out" is suffering for your art by taking it up the ass by greedy execs in suits, only back in the F A T Jew's day there were far more opportunities.



Selling out still beats being a waitress at Denny's. As long as it buys you nicer shoes and handbags, who gives a fuck. Right?

cadaverdog
09-08-2014, 03:19 PM
Selling out still beats being a waitress at Denny's. As long as it buys you nicer shoes and handbags, who gives a fuck. Right?
I don't have a problem with professional musicians taking money to endorse products. If Van Halen decided to take money to give someone permission to use their music in their advertisements and commercials it wouldn't bother me a bit. Anybody who's in the music business is in it to make money.

Nitro Express
09-08-2014, 03:31 PM
I don't have a problem with professional musicians taking money to endorse products. If Van Halen decided to take money to give someone permission to use their music in their advertisements and commercials it wouldn't bother me a bit. Anybody who's in the music business is in it to make money.

It's called making a living. People bitch at you when you sell out and they laugh at you when you have no money. Then you sell out by doing a "Where are they now?" reality type drivel show because you need to eat.

Everyone sells out. Including the people on welfare. They sell their votes for a handout from the politicians. You can suck dick on the casting couch or be a welfare whore keeping corrupt politicians in office. It's all whoring it's just that some whores live better than others and that's all based on how replaceable you are.

cadaverdog
09-08-2014, 04:04 PM
Everyone sells out. Including the people on welfare. They sell their votes for a handout from the politicians. You can suck dick on the casting couch or be a welfare whore keeping corrupt politicians in office. It's all whoring it's just that some whores live better than others and that's all based on how replaceable you are.
I had a boss when I was telemarketing who wore a shirt that said We're All Prostitutes. After I found out the company was just a scam to rip off senior citizens I quit. He didn't have a problem with me quitting without notice because he knew I knew what was really going on. When I came back to get my paycheck the owners where sitting at his desk giving me the stink eye. I told him I knew why he wore that shit now and he just looked at me like a scalded dog. He didn't just sell out. He sold his soul to those people. No wonder he was an alcoholic.

Angel
09-08-2014, 06:21 PM
That's Elvis :D
Holy fuck that's funny!

Kristy
09-08-2014, 06:22 PM
I don't have a problem with professional musicians taking money to endorse products. If Van Halen decided to take money to give someone permission to use their music in their advertisements and commercials it wouldn't bother me a bit. Anybody who's in the music business is in it to make money.
Eat a dick, dickhead.

Angel
09-08-2014, 06:23 PM
I had a boss when I was telemarketing who wore a shirt that said We're All Prostitutes. After I found out the company was just a scam to rip off senior citizens I quit. He didn't have a problem with me quitting without notice because he knew I knew what was really going on. When I came back to get my paycheck the owners where sitting at his desk giving me the stink eye. I told him I knew why he wore that shit now and he just looked at me like a scalded dog. He didn't just sell out. He sold his soul to those people. No wonder he was an alcoholic.
Didn't have anything to do with the Zaken Corporation, did it?

BITEYOASS
09-08-2014, 09:55 PM
There's always that invisible line between making money and giving the fans what they want vs. milking you fans for all their worth with coffins, condoms or whatever other types of expensive shite. Gene crossed that line and has flown past Saturn.

BITEYOASS
09-08-2014, 10:00 PM
Let's also not forget the most important fact here! Gene is the same fucker who suggested that Van Halen look for another singer back in 1976. So fuck that puffy face ugly son of a bitch! :hitch::finger-attitude:

I'LL DRINK TO THAT!

http://www.feelnumb.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/GM021210-DavidLeeRothAndJack.jpg

cadaverdog
09-08-2014, 10:15 PM
Didn't have anything to do with the Zaken Corporation, did it?
Just a couple Israeli dudes and a flunky running a call center. I suspected they were con artists from the first day but I didn't know for sure until I googled the address of the supposed home office and found out it was a post office box. I still kept the job until I overheard a disgruntled customer on the phone accusing them of sabotaging her air conditioner. She said she could prove it with pictures taken just a week before during a home inspection by her insurance company. I had gotten to work early and was eating a breakfast burrito in the break room and nobody noticed I was there. I heard the whole conversation on the speakerphone. I was gonna quit right then but I stayed until the end of the day to think it over. As soon as I punched out I quit.

DLR Bridge
09-08-2014, 10:18 PM
Let's also not forget the most important fact here! Gene is the same fucker who suggested that Van Halen look for another singer back in 1976. So fuck that puffy face ugly son of a bitch!

Nah, I think Bill Aucoin or some other Casablanca douche shat on Dave's demo performance, no?

BITEYOASS
09-08-2014, 10:21 PM
Nah, I think Bill Aucoin or some other Casablanca douche shat on Dave's demo performance, no?

Man, those Casablanca executives were coked out of their damn minds. No wonder that label went down the shitter.

Satan
09-08-2014, 10:25 PM
Just a couple Israeli dudes and a flunky running a call center. I suspected they were con artists from the first day

Uh-oh..... you just outed yourself as an "anti-semite" (based on your own definition) :meinsmiley:

Satan
09-08-2014, 10:29 PM
Man, those Casablanca executives were coked out of their damn minds. No wonder that label went down the shitter.

Well, that and the fact that aside from KISS, they put all their eggs in the disco basket. When disco died, so did their label. KISS was their only remaining cash cow, and they started making less cash for the label with everything after Dynasty.

If they had signed Van Halen when Chaim brought them the demo, they might have been able to keep the label solvent.... well at least until 1985 (assuming Dave still left the band then, in this parallel reality scenario)

BITEYOASS
09-08-2014, 10:43 PM
But if =VH= signed with Casablanca, then Ted Templeman wouldn't be able to work his magic on the six-pack.

Nitro Express
09-08-2014, 11:11 PM
Nah, I think Bill Aucoin or some other Casablanca douche shat on Dave's demo performance, no?

It was Dave Aucoin. He said if he would have seen Van Halen on their home turf in the LA clubs he probably would have signed them. He said he made the mistake of now going out to LA.

cadaverdog
09-08-2014, 11:29 PM
Uh-oh..... you just outed yourself as an "anti-semite" (based on your own definition) :meinsmiley:
Did I ever say I wasn't one?

Satan
09-09-2014, 12:49 AM
But if =VH= signed with Casablanca, then Ted Templeman wouldn't be able to work his magic on the six-pack.

Yeah, it's hard to imagine what those records might have sounded like with another producer.

Who was producing KISS back in those days? Bob Ezrin, wasn't it? Of course he also produced "The Wall" for Pink Floyd, and that was a great record, so it might have worked out alright, though Mikey's vocals probably wouldn't have been as prominent in the mix, since that was Templeman's biggest contribution to the sound, how he arranged the vocals.

lesfunk
09-09-2014, 01:28 AM
It was Dave Aucoin. He said if he would have seen Van Halen on their home turf in the LA clubs he probably would have signed them. He said he made the mistake of now going out to LA.
Bill Aucoin

Nitro Express
09-09-2014, 01:31 AM
I must have had David Lee Roth on my mind. Proof I'm a true fan. I always found Bill Aucoin a bit creepy. More creepy than Gene in fact.