What did you do in school today?

[Angel]

First class of the new, and 2nd to last term of school. Class started in the ceremonial teepee with a pipe ceremony... sweat lodge in 2 weeks...yeah...this is gonna be a GREAT term!!!

[Kristy]

I ditched class to hang out with the cool kids. We all headed out to the bleachers and smoked cigarettes and talked about how much our parents suck because they make us clean up our room, take out the trash and shit like that. Tomorrow we are going to ditch class again to hang out at the mall to steal cheap jewelery.

[dazzlindino]

I drove by a skewl once.....

[Nitro Express]

First class of the new, and 2nd to last term of school. Class started in the ceremonial teepee with a pipe ceremony... sweat lodge in 2 weeks...yeah...this is gonna be a GREAT term!!!

Why stop there? Live in a wigwam to get the full experience. Also you can justify killing the white pricks you don't like because they have encroached on your land and killed the buffalo. There is nothing better than feeling smug around a good fire knowing that the white man's world is failing and they just might end up killing themselves with their technology. Oh the great grandmother earth has her way of taking care of things and embracing those who embrace her.

[DONNIEP]

I hung out with Kristy and the other kids. Since I'm the only one old enough to drive I'm gonna take the chicks to the mall tomorrow. I'll probably just hang out in the arcade while they raid Claire's.

[Angel]

Why stop there? Live in a wigwam to get the full experience. Also you can justify killing the white pricks you don't like because they have encroached on your land and killed the buffalo. There is nothing better than feeling smug around a good fire knowing that the white man's world is failing and they just might end up killing themselves with their technology. Oh the great grandmother earth has her way of taking care of things and embracing those who embrace her.
Cultural camps are only held in summer. If I didn't have to work to survive I would've been all over that!!!

60% of our medications come from indigenous knowledge. So...by learning whic plants do what, I can bypass big pharma and all their chemicals and go straight to the source. :D

The only classes that have taught me anything I didn't know already are the indigenous ones. They're also the most valuable out of all the $ for this stupid piece of paper called a degree. ;)

[ZahZoo]

I dropped off my 8th grader at the track for cross-country practice...

[Nitro Express]

Cultural camps are only held in summer. If I didn't have to work to survive I would've been all over that!!!

60% of our medications come from indigenous knowledge. So...by learning whic plants do what, I can bypass big pharma and all their chemicals and go straight to the source. :D

The only classes that have taught me anything I didn't know already are the indigenous ones. They're also the most valuable out of all the $ for this stupid piece of paper called a degree. ;)

I think you should get with David Lee Roth and do that Amazon thing again.

[Nitro Express]

I skipped school and drove 300 miles to see The Police when they were on their Ghost and the Machine Tour. The day in school would have long been forgotten. I will remember the concert for the rest of my life. I had my priorities straight.

[Nitro Express]

I dropped off my 8th grader at the track for cross-country practice... Our cross country coach would make us run down this gravel road with about three inches of loose gravel on top. He knew what he was doing. Once you got on solid ground where you feet didn't slip it was easy. We lived at high altitude so when we would race against schools at lower elevations we had the advantage.

[cadaverdog]

Also you can justify killing the white pricks you don't like because they have encroached on your land and killed the buffalo.
I'm at least 1/4 Cherokee but I never got this "our land" or "your land" bullshit. If one group of "indigenous people" decided they wanted anything, including land from another group of "indigenous people" they just killed them and took it. And they damn sure didn't care how they did it. The killing of the buffalo for their hides and leaving the meat to rot was shitty but taking land by force was done for thousands of years before the white man ever made his way to "the new world".
BTW The white man wasn't the only one killing indigenous people and taking their land. The Spaniards wiped several varieties of native people off the face of the earth in the southern part of North America. The Japanese killed thousands of natives on pacific islands during WWII and took their land before the allies killed them.

[binnie]

I miss being an undergraduate, and I'd happily go back and do it again if I could have my time over.....

[VAiN]

First class of the new, and 2nd to last term of school. Class started in the ceremonial teepee with a pipe ceremony... sweat lodge in 2 weeks...yeah...this is gonna be a GREAT term!!!

Just curious, what class is that for?

[cadaverdog]

I miss being an undergraduate, and I'd happily go back and do it again if I could have my time over.....
I'd be happy to do my time in the service over again too. Going to school in the service wasn't bad and I got to do the spring break thing on a regular basis after I graduated. Overseas I only had to spend one day on duty every four days. In between I could party my ass off. If I did have the time over I would stay in and party my ass off for another 27 years. I would have retired with full pay three years ago.

[Angel]

Just curious, what class is that for?
It's an Indigenous Social Work Elective. Introduction to Traditional Self-healing. Taking it in conjunction with "Human growth and development from Traditional Teachings" elective. Taught in the oral tradition by Elders. Fascinating!!!

[Angel]

I'm at least 1/4 Cherokee but I never got this "our land" or "your land" bullshit. If one group of "indigenous people" decided they wanted anything, including land from another group of "indigenous people" they just killed them and took it. And they damn sure didn't care how they did it. The killing of the buffalo for their hides and leaving the meat to rot was shitty but taking land by force was done for thousands of years before the white man ever made his way to "the new world".
BTW The white man wasn't the only one killing indigenous people and taking their land. The Spaniards wiped several varieties of native people off the face of the earth in the southern part of North America. The Japanese killed thousands of natives on pacific islands during WWII and took their land before the allies killed them.

I don't know about your history, but we signed Treaties with numerous Nations. We were supposed to share the land according to the treaties. But then we created the Indian Act, and made them all wards of the state. The land we granted them they only have the rights to about 2" depth. This was done to guarantee crop failure, and mineral rights belong to the province. Many have fought for land claims, and they almost always win...once it reaches the Supreme Court level.

As for violence among various nations...some were violent and territorial, some weren't. West Coast Natives had a complex international trade route, and on the prairies, there were gatherings and trades between the groups. That is why their oral traditions have so much similarity. Saulteaux and Cree's have very similar teachings, but they are different "tribal" groups. All groups had governance and a justice system.

The violence your talking about is probably some of the southern states tribes; however, the studies done have been by anthropologists who look at the artifacts to make their conclusions, and have not consulted with Elders...who hold the knowledge that has been passed down.

[DONNIEP]

Blah blah blah...who cares! Let's all cut school and smoke this big ass bag of weed I scored from that slutty chick in chemistry class!

[Angel]

Chemistry class!?!? Where's the fucking acid, man???

[Angel]

He he...managed enough deals that I end up paying 60 for half an oz. Smoke em if you got em!

[PETE'S BROTHER]

:smoke2:

[Nitro Express]

I'm at least 1/4 Cherokee but I never got this "our land" or "your land" bullshit. If one group of "indigenous people" decided they wanted anything, including land from another group of "indigenous people" they just killed them and took it. And they damn sure didn't care how they did it. The killing of the buffalo for their hides and leaving the meat to rot was shitty but taking land by force was done for thousands of years before the white man ever made his way to "the new world".
BTW The white man wasn't the only one killing indigenous people and taking their land. The Spaniards wiped several varieties of native people off the face of the earth in the southern part of North America. The Japanese killed thousands of natives on pacific islands during WWII and took their land before the allies killed them.

The indians that were around here were the renegades from various tribes that packed up and they could be your worst nightmare. Lot's of atrocities on record. The one that set off the Bear River Massacre was when a rogue band of indians attacked a wagon train and cut an 11 year old girl's legs off at the knees and forced her to run around on the stumps until she died.

Not exactly nice people. But then when the pay back came the natives who had nothing to do with it got raped and slaughtered. Why? It gave some higher ups the excuse they were looking for. It's no different in Israel or the Ukraine. Never let a crisis go to waste. The natives were in the way, once they gave the government and oligarchs the excuse they needed, time to mop up.

[Nitro Express]

Mao once said power grows out of the barrel of a gun. Mao was right.

People can have all the hippi dip dreams they want and live in happy land. That's fine until the day someone blows that happy smile off your face. History repeats itself over and over and over. The natives lost their land for one simple reason. They couldn't beat their enemies. They didn't have the technology. That's why most of our technology goes to the military first. It's either there to protect us from an aggressor or to be the aggressor. It's all about power kid. The rest is conversation.

[Angel]

The indians that were around here were the renegades from various tribes that packed up and they could be your worst nightmare. Lot's of atrocities on record. The one that set off the Bear River Massacre was when a rogue band of indians attacked a wagon train and cut an 11 year old girl's legs off at the knees and forced her to run around on the stumps until she died.

Not exactly nice people. But then when the pay back came the natives who had nothing to do with it got raped and slaughtered. Why? It gave some higher ups the excuse they were looking for. It's no different in Israel or the Ukraine. Never let a crisis go to waste. The natives were in the way, once they gave the government and oligarchs the excuse they needed, time to mop up.

The Bear River Massacre was the Shoshone people, not renegades from various tribes. Yeah, they were brutal...when they were being starved because of settlers decimating their food sources...and they never cut any girls legs off, ffs.

[cadaverdog]

The natives lost their land for one simple reason. They couldn't beat their enemies. They didn't have the technology.
Triangulation of smoke signals would lead us right to them everytime.

[Angel]

Mao once said power grows out of the barrel of a gun. Mao was right.

People can have all the hippi dip dreams they want and live in happy land. That's fine until the day someone blows that happy smile off your face. History repeats itself over and over and over. The natives lost their land for one simple reason. They couldn't beat their enemies. They didn't have the technology. That's why most of our technology goes to the military first. It's either there to protect us from an aggressor or to be the aggressor. It's all about power kid. The rest is conversation.
For one thing, I'm not taking these classes for some "hippie dippie" reason. The most marginalized people where I live are First Nations, and chances are I will have clients that practice traditional culture. The Social Work profession hasn't been very kind to our Native peoples. In order for me to support them, I need a broad understanding of their culture, including traditional ways...

There was no blood shed in Canada, and they entered into negotiated agreements to share the land. Treaties...they honoured their side, the Canadian government broke almost every promise made...and that's why they have won almost every case taken to the Supreme Court.

[Nitro Express]

Of course the Canadian government broke every promise. They could get away with doing so. It's the same old story everywhere. He with the gold and the guns rules. But then those who make the rules now want to get rid of excess white people as well. So let's make them hate themselves and saddle them with white guilt. Let's turn the men into guilty little fairies and turn the women into men. Let's mentally skull fuck anything that will produce a normal nuclear family. Children are evil and so are old people. In the 2,000's everyone is equally worthless. As our natives down here like to joke,"Everyone is on the reservation now.".

[Nitro Express]

Every super lifer optimist has their face pushed into reality in due time. How did Occupy Wall Street work out? Nice guys finish last. All you can do is survive and enjoy life's little pleasures. We've had search on the internet for 15 years. It hasn't liberated anyone. It's just become a spying device for the assholes who are in power. Assholes who don't care about anyone but themselves. Situation normal all fucked up.

[SunisinuS]

Every super lifer optimist has their face pushed into reality in due time. How did Occupy Wall Street work out? Nice guys finish last. All you can do is survive and enjoy life's little pleasures. We've had the internet for 15 years. It hasn't liberated anyone. It's just become a spying device for the assholes who are in power. Assholes who don't care about anyone but themselves. Situation normal all fucked up.

That is why every Super Lifer Optimist reaches down under the dash and hits the Nitro. Our face looks like we chased cars....but that is in my rear view mirror.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeuRUd7M0OQ


And I never use my real name on the intertubes...that might have been your first mistake. Second mistake is thinking that you have anything to spy on....share your kids and personal photos with people actually in the house... Third mistake is.....


Get more Andrei Sakharov and less believing in the bullshit. The interwebs have changed the world for the better. Porn.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Sakharov

[Kristy]

Today I learned about the Construction Of the Fascism scale hypothesis and how it relates concerning the way in which some deep-lying trend in one's personality might express itself in some opinion and/or attitude that was dynamically - though not logically - related to prejudice against outgroups or how it can be used as a preliminary sketch for an item(s) usually not far to seek - like a phrase from a headline or an utterance by an interviewee, or a fragment from an ordinary conversation.


Not like this type of shit ever happens around here.

[Angel]

Today I learned about the Construction Of the Fascism scale hypothesis and how it relates concerning the way in which some deep-lying trend in one's personality might express itself in some opinion and/or attitude that was dynamically - though not logically - related to prejudice against outgroups or how it can be used as a preliminary sketch for an item(s) usually not far to seek - like a phrase from a headline or an utterance by an interviewee, or a fragment from an ordinary conversation.


Not like this type of shit ever happens around here.
Holy run on sentence...

Yesterday I learned about sacred tobacco and protocol in gifting elders...

[Kristy]

Not a run on, dumbass.

[Nitro Express]

Holy run on sentence...

Yesterday I learned about sacred tobacco and protocol in gifting elders...

See there you go. Tobacco is sacred. The Surgeon General can go fuck off.

[Nitro Express]

That is why every Super Lifer Optimist reaches down under the dash and hits the Nitro. Our face looks like we chased cars....but that is in my rear view mirror.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeuRUd7M0OQ


And I never use my real name on the intertubes...that might have been your first mistake. Second mistake is thinking that you have anything to spy on....share your kids and personal photos with people actually in the house... Third mistake is.....


Get more Andrei Sakharov and less believing in the bullshit. The interwebs have changed the world for the better. Porn.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Sakharov

99% of what's on the interwebs is garbage. 1% is actually useful. Search engines have existed for 15 years. Are people smarter now than they were before searchable internet? Nope.

[Seshmeister]

99% of what's on the interwebs is garbage. 1% is actually useful.

The stuff about banks, bankers and banking. :)

[FORD]

See there you go. Tobacco is sacred. The Surgeon General can go fuck off.

Just because something is sacred doesn't mean it can't kill you.

[Hardrock69]

Today in school I watched a little boy got blown by a teacher's aide.

I reported the little boy, and got him thrown out of school. I also managed to get the teacher's aide a raise and a promotion.

Then I set fire to the principal's car, called the police, and had the parents of the child (who were there to pick up their child) arrested for arson.

Then to finish the day off, I hacked into the school's accounting records, transferred all of the funds for the fiscal year into the private bank account of the principal, then got him arrested for embezzlement. Then when they were searching his desk, they found the Uzi and a half a pound of heroin that I planted there. The principal is going away for a long time.

He will be ok though. I had already posted as the principal on his own Facebook page, telling all his friends that he was sorry to tell them this, but he liked having sex with farm animals.

Oh what fun.

:hee:

[Hardrock69]

I forgot to mention that once the principal was safely in the back of the squad car, I dropped a scrap of paper next to the car door....it had a lengthy personal note written from the principal to the kid who was blowing the teacher's aide...talking about all the times the kid had blown him, and that the principal just found out he had bubonic plague....

I pointed out the note to one of the local TV news guys....you know...the ones who run the usual show "We are on your side! Tell us your story ideas and we will investigate!".

He picked it up and read it. The look on his face was priceless. The cop who was there asked him what it was. The reporter said he had dropped his grocery list. He said this as he was hurriedly getting into his car, and he zoomed out of there like a bat out of hell. I predict the local news will be very interesting tonight. :D

Oh, and I forgot to mention.....it is a highly prestigious Mormon elementary school in Provo, Utah. Why let the Catholics have all the fun? :-D

[ZahZoo]

Yesterday I learned about sacred tobacco and protocol in gifting elders...

Good deal... about time the elders around here got something thrown their way other than crap...

[cadaverdog]

Good deal... about time the elders around here got something thrown their way other than crap...
I agree. Gift me some of that sacred tobacco. I like the green variety that smells like a skunk. :littlebong:

[FORD]

I agree. Gift me some of that sacred tobacco. I like the green variety that smells like a skunk. :littlebong:

Different religion there. You're talking Rastafarianism


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HcXcYlF3_0

[Hardrock69]

It is about to be decriminalized in Jamaica, mon.

[Kristy]

I have over 100 questions to essay on the subject of measurement in antidemocratic "trends" such as:

Which of the following are the most important for a person to have or to be? (Mark X the three most important):

Artistic and sensuous
Popular, Good personality
Drive determination, will power
Broad, humanitarian social outlook
Neatness and good manners
Sensitivity and understanding
Efficiency, practicality, thrift
Intellectual and serious
Emotional expressiveness, warmth, intimacy
Kindness and charity


Others...

Novels and/or stories that tell people about what people think and feel are more interesting than those which mainly contain action, romance, and adventure.

To a greater extent than most people realize, our lives are governed by plots hatched in secret by politicians.

Too many people are living in a unnatural, soft way; we should return to the fundamentals, to a more red-blooded active way of life.

There are some activities so flagrantly un-American that, when responsible officials won't take the proper steps, the wide-awake citizen should take the law into their own hands.

Just some examples. Feel free to do my homework for me.

[Hardrock69]

You have no homework.

You are several hundred lines of code.

You do not exist in the real world.


Ok, so I encouraged several of my younger students to eat some library paste.

2 of them threw up on each other.

I sent them to the vice principal's office with instructions to vomit on HIM. I hate the vice principal.

One of them accomplished the mission successfully.

I then told him he was expelled from school forever and sent him home.

:lmao:

[Kristy]

Thanks Kirsten. As usual, you have nothing to offer to any one.

[Hardrock69]

At least I am a human being. Which is more than you can say, as you are just a hatebot. :hee:

[Kristy]

Oh, okay. Thanks for sharing Elephant Man. My bad.

[Hardrock69]

Oh boy. Just had a great meeting. The father of the kid who got sent home for throwing up on the Vice Principal.....he was quite irate. I told him the Vice Principal had told the kid to eat library paste and that I had the video to prove it.

It did not matter that it was not true. He attacked the Vice Principal. I called the police, and when they showed up, I told them the VP attacked the father. They took him away also. Boy what a day.

It really does not matter. Today was my last day at this school before I transfer to my new job as principal of a high school in Ogden. :D

[Angel]

See there you go. Tobacco is sacred. The Surgeon General can go fuck off.
Natural tobacco....not the commercial chemical-additive shit.

And the smoke should never hit your throat or lungs. It's purpose is to carry the prayers up to the creator.

[DONNIEP]

Natural tobacco....not the commercial chemical-additive shit.

And the smoke should never hit your throat or lungs. It's purpose is to carry the prayers up to the creator.

So...if I'm reading this correctly...I can smoke in church and it's cool?

[FORD]

So...if I'm reading this correctly...I can smoke in church and it's cool?

There are some native American ceremonies where the pipe is passed around to everyone. Not every ceremony is a pipe ceremony though.

The pipe itself is very sacred to the native people. This reference probably wouldn't make a lot of sense to somebody unfamiliar with native teachings, but the pipe is as central to the faith as the Bible is to Christianity, or the Quran is to Islam.

[DONNIEP]

Nope, makes no sense to me. Besides, the only Indians I know are working at Tweetsie Railroad, run the casino, or selling cool stuff in Cherokee.

[cadaverdog]

This reference probably wouldn't make a lot of sense to somebody unfamiliar with native teachings, but the pipe is as central to the faith as the Bible is to Christianity, or the Quran is to Islam.
Crack addicts feel the same way.

[Kristy]

Okay, all aboard the boredom train. Another thesis on on how humans always stand at the ready to condemn others on "moral grounds" and how such behavior the authoritarian condemns the moral laziness seen in others is actually driven to see immoral attributes as a whole whether there are any basis in fact or not. In other words, I'm writing a paper upon the thesis that "I'm no asshole, nosireeeee bob, other people are." In other words of the other words, a person who is an asshole own unacceptable impulses are projected onto to other assholes who are then rejected - as being assholes, of course.

It seems assholes are complex: conventionalism, authoritarian, submission and authoritarian aggression moral aspects must be weaved into the thesis.

Life was so much simpler when I could call out you assholes for being the classic rock/homoerotic worshiping, Walmart shopping, conspiracy douchebagging, kangaroo humping, NFL wife beating watching assholes you really are.

Me? I'm perfect.

[Angel]

There are some native American ceremonies where the pipe is passed around to everyone. Not every ceremony is a pipe ceremony though.

The pipe itself is very sacred to the native people. This reference probably wouldn't make a lot of sense to somebody unfamiliar with native teachings, but the pipe is as central to the faith as the Bible is to Christianity, or the Quran is to Islam.

Depending on the linguistic group, most ceremonies will have a pipe ceremony first. Smudge to cleanse, then pipe to pray for a successful ceremony, then the ceremony, often followed by a feast.

Today I learned that the reason newborns don't focus on the face is because they can still see the ancestors in the spirit world (where they just came from). I'm learning Cree and Anishinabe traditional teachings, taught by Elders through the Oral Tradition. Fascinating.

[Angel]

Crack addicts feel the same way.
Uh...no. :mad:

[FORD]

Crack addicts feel the same way.

Not cool.... especially from someone who claims native ancestry.

[FORD]

Depending on the linguistic group, most ceremonies will have a pipe ceremony first. Smudge to cleanse, then pipe to pray for a successful ceremony, then the ceremony, often followed by a feast.

Today I learned that the reason newborns don't focus on the face is because they can still see the ancestors in the spirit world (where they just came from). I'm learning Cree and Anishinabe traditional teachings, taught by Elders through the Oral Tradition. Fascinating.

In a way that makes a lot of sense. Maybe the reason that we adults can't remember beign babies is so we forget all that we knew when we were babies. Spirit world & ancestors being among them.

And all this talk of smudging, ceremonies, and feasts makes me realize how much I miss sweat lodges. It's been way too long :(

[Nitro Express]

Natural tobacco....not the commercial chemical-additive shit.

And the smoke should never hit your throat or lungs. It's purpose is to carry the prayers up to the creator.

I use tobacco to heal bee stings and spider bites. It will take the itch out of mosquito bites as well. I got bit by a hobo spider which is a nasty bite to cure up because the venom eats body tissues. The tobacco will counter act it. I noticed Marlboros won't work very well but Camels work great. The Top brand bulk tobacco works good as well. Marlboros smell nasty too. I think there is artificial fillers in them.

[FORD]

If I were to use tobacco for anything medicinally, I'd definitely go with the natural organic stuff. Given all the radioactive toxic shit that the big tobacco companies put in their products, I'd rather take my chances with the bee & spider venom than add potentially worse toxins on top of them.

[Nitro Express]

I used a pack of camel bare butts. Did the trick. I'm still here to talk about it. Yeah I have a pouch of some Tennessee grown organic I picked up on the indian reservation.

[Angel]

Not cool.... especially from someone who claims native ancestry.
Do you know how hard First Nations people laugh when someone says "I'm part Cherokee (or any other linguistic group)?

Yeah...no...you're not....I have about 1/99 Native blood...but I wouldn't get laughed at like c-dog would...because I respect and understand the traditions.

[Angel]

In a way that makes a lot of sense. Maybe the reason that we adults can't remember beign babies is so we forget all that we knew when we were babies. Spirit world & ancestors being among them.

And all this talk of smudging, ceremonies, and feasts makes me realize how much I miss sweat lodges. It's been way too long :(
That's exactly why. We actually plan out our life with the creator before he sends our spark here. We forget all of it when we are born, but it takes awhile for faces to leave our memory, because we are hard-wired to see faces. :)

Sitting and listening to the Elder's stories is quite amazing when you consider how many thousands of years these stories have been handed down...and they NEVER change.

I'm taking two traditional classes. One of them is human development from traditional teachings. We stole thousands of children from their homes...when we should have been learning how to raise kids from them...there would be a lot more well-adjusted humans in this world.

[Nitro Express]

I'm chinese by adoption.

[FORD]

Do you know how hard First Nations people laugh when someone says "I'm part Cherokee (or any other linguistic group)?

Yeah...no...you're not....I have about 1/99 Native blood...but I wouldn't get laughed at like c-dog would...because I respect and understand the traditions.

Usually the people I've met at various pow wows and ceremonies make some joke like "Yeah, you Cherokees got around, didn't ya?"

I've got a little Cherokee blood on both sides of my family tree, but I don't go around marking "Native American" on government paperwork or anything like that. My attraction to Native spirituality came from my love of nature, and feeling more of a spiritual connection to the mountains and the ocean than some church building where people sing boring songs and talk right wing politics. Would have felt the same way about it without a drop of Indian blood in my veins.

And I do love this t-shirt.... so much that I bought it three times.......

https://www.peaceproject.com/sites/default/files/PC93-Homeland_Security_fighting_terrorism_since_1492-Postcard.jpg

Have it in Black, White, and Red. Wanted to find it in yellow so I would have one for each color of the Medicine Wheel, but so far, I haven't seen it.

[FORD]

I'm chinese by adoption.

I could claim Chinese ancestry too, One of my grandfathers was born in Hong Kong.

Yeah, his parents were white American missionaries, but he was technically Chinese. :cato2:

[Nitro Express]

My father in law has quite a bit of cherokee blood. He even has a war club that was passed down generation to generation. I'm part icelandic so I'm basically a viking. Screw that 1492 crap. Lief Erikson landed on American soil long before Columbus ever did.

[Angel]

I love that one. Up here, we have "Got land? Thank an Indian"....and some of us like to change the lyrics of "Oh Canada" to "my home ON Native land". ;)

I've always been drawn to our Native peoples. Even tried to run away to a reserve in Washington once, lol.

Last week, an Elder asked me why I'm taking Traditional teachings, and when I told him why, he said "you have first nation blood", and that what drew me was "blood memory"...we carry our ancestors memories in our blood. My family's been here since the 1600's so great chance there's some in there.

This same Elder will be giving me my spiritual (Indian) name at a sweat next month. Should be interesting....

[Nitro Express]

I could claim Chinese ancestry too, One of my grandfathers was born in Hong Kong.

Yeah, his parents were white American missionaries, but he was technically Chinese. :cato2:

My parents best friends were Chinese. Our families were close and still are. It was like having a chinese aunt and uncle.

[Angel]

My family is like the UN, lol. I have a Jamaican uncle, a mulatto 2nd cousin, and her son is part Native. Their family portrait is hilarious.

[Nitro Express]

My uncle had a farm in Utah that every time he would plow a field. Spear heads, scrapers, and arrow heads would turn up. Also we found lots of grinding stones. I amassed a pretty good sized arrow head collection over the years. A Shoshone who was good at napping out arrow heads showed me how to do it. I'm not as good as him and you need really glassy obsidian. There is a whole cliff of it in Yellowstone Park and it's where the indians use to get the good obsidian and trade it with other tribes.

When we were little my mom would have an Shoshone lady make us moccasins. She could do some fabulous bead work. I loved getting a new pair of moccasins because the leather smelled like a smoke house.

[Nitro Express]

When my chinese family calls on the phone my wife can't understand them. LOL! I don't know why, it's good queen's english with a Hong Kong accent. Maybe I grew up with it. She can barely understand.

[cadaverdog]

Not cool.... especially from someone who claims native ancestry.
I'm not dispariging native Americans. I'm talking shit about crack addicts. They worship the pipe too but in a different way.

[Von Halen]

My family is like the UN, lol. I have a Jamaican uncle, a mulatto 2nd cousin, and her son is part Native. Their family portrait is hilarious.

I think most of us are mutts!

[ashstralia]

I'd tend to agree.

So what if my great great grand relative got sent here for pilfering a silk neckerchief. :D

[ashstralia]

kangaroo humping.

You had me at 'kan'.

:yo:

[Seshmeister]

I think most of us are mutts!

I'm 15/16ths Scottish.

We don't talk about that other 16th... :)

[Seshmeister]

Natural tobacco....not the commercial chemical-additive shit.

And the smoke should never hit your throat or lungs. It's purpose is to carry the prayers up to the creator.

"Please creator don't give me oral cancer, Please creator don't give me oral cancer, Please creator don't give me oral cancer, Please creator don't give me oral cancer, Please creator don't give me oral cancer"

[ZahZoo]

Okay, all aboard the boredom train. Another thesis on on how humans always stand at the ready to condemn others on "moral grounds" and how such behavior the authoritarian condemns the moral laziness seen in others is actually driven to see immoral attributes as a whole whether there are any basis in fact or not. In other words, I'm writing a paper upon the thesis that "I'm no asshole, nosireeeee bob, other people are." In other words of the other words, a person who is an asshole own unacceptable impulses are projected onto to other assholes who are then rejected - as being assholes, of course.

It seems assholes are complex: conventionalism, authoritarian, submission and authoritarian aggression moral aspects must be weaved into the thesis.

Life was so much simpler when I could call out you assholes for being the classic rock/homoerotic worshiping, Walmart shopping, conspiracy douchebagging, kangaroo humping, NFL wife beating watching assholes you really are.

Me? I'm perfect.

Interesting coincidence... I ran across this picture on FB this morning and there were about 50 comments criticizing the parent and aghast at how cruel she was doing this to her kid... All ready to condemn her on moral grounds!!

I questioned that rather than an abusive act... the kid was just bored shopping and was goofing around with his toy handcuffs. So now I'm an asshole pointing out kids do silly stuff when bored... Rather than sharpen the pitchforks and jump on the condemnation train!!

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[cadaverdog]

My family is like the UN, lol. I have a Jamaican uncle, a mulatto 2nd cousin, and her son is part Native. Their family portrait is hilarious.
One of my nieces has one Italian, one German and two Filipino kids. When they all get together some people assume they're foster kids.

[cadaverdog]

I questioned that rather than an abusive act... the kid was just bored shopping and was goofing around with his toy handcuffs. So now I'm an asshole pointing out kids do silly stuff when bored... Rather than sharpen the pitchforks and jump on the condemnation train!!


Maybe the kid's a kleptomaniac and she has to handcuff him to the basket while they're in the store.

[Angel]

"Please creator don't give me oral cancer, Please creator don't give me oral cancer, Please creator don't give me oral cancer, Please creator don't give me oral cancer, Please creator don't give me oral cancer"
Hey, I never said I believed it, this is just their teachings...I don't think cancer rates are very high from natural tobacco though...the formaldehyde and benzene and 52 other chemicals probably have more to do with that...

[FORD]

I suspect that its the paper and the filters (some of which actually used to contain asbestos, and others ground glass) that contribute to cancer as much as the tobacco itself.

I've actually never smoked a tobacco cigarette in my life, but even with weed, I always preferred pipes and bongs to joints. Keep the paper out of the equation entirely.

[Angel]

I suspect that its the paper and the filters (some of which actually used to contain asbestos, and others ground glass) that contribute to cancer as much as the tobacco itself.

I've actually never smoked a tobacco cigarette in my life, but even with weed, I always preferred pipes and bongs to joints. Keep the paper out of the equation entirely.
Players used to have fibreglass in their filters. There are tons of chemical additives in commercial tobacco...

[cadaverdog]

Players used to have fibreglass in their filters. There are tons of chemical additives in commercial tobacco...Cigarette papers have lines of magnesium in them to keep them burning evenly. Some rolling papers have them too. I prefer to bong my smoke but I usually leave the paraphenilia at home if I'm out and about getting high.

[cadaverdog]

I've actually never smoked a tobacco cigarette in my life,
You never even tried tobacco? I smoke cigars (I don't inhale though) and I've smoked blunts rolled in cigar papers made out tobacco but I never got into cigarettes either. Never understood why people do.

[FORD]

You never even tried tobacco? I smoke cigars (I don't inhale though) and I've smoked blunts rolled in cigar papers made out tobacco but I never got into cigarettes either. Never understood why people do.

The only tobacco I ever smoked was in pipe ceremonies. And as Angel previously indicated, you "don't inhale".

Tried chewing tobacco once in junior high. Got sick. Never touched it again. Cigarettes just never appealed to me, though if there's such a thing as "genetic" tobacco addiction receptors, I should have had them, since both my parents smoked prior to me being born. Mom quit when she was pregnant. Dad quit when I was about 5, I think. Both became militant non-smokers after that. But it never appealed to me, even as a "rebellion" thing.

[Hardrock69]

Same here.

No pipe ceremonies wif tabco.

Tried Red Man after the local Triple A baseball team left a whole bunch of it on the bench after a game when I worked for them. Got sick.

I have tried to smoke twice.

First time I got sick, coughed, hacked, wheezed....got a headache...

I said "Why in the hell do you want to feel this messed up?"

My friend said "Oh, you get used to it".

My reply: "I could never get used to being sick. Fuck this shit".

Thank the gods I dodged that bullet.

[cadaverdog]

Tried chewing tobacco once in junior high. Got sick. Never touched it again.
Tried that once myself when I was 21. I was working at a lumber yard as a customer loader at the time. When it was real hot we were allowed to hang out in the shade by the office but when it was your turn you had to go out to the yard. I took a dip while I was waiting my turn. I felt fine until it was my turn and I had to get out into the hot desert sun. Within a few seconds I knew wasn't gonna make it so I handed off to the next loader and headed for the shade. As soon as my boss saw me all pale and covered in sweat he sent me home for the rest of the day.

[Kristy]

Same here.

No pipe ceremonies wif tabco.

Tried Red Man after the local Triple A baseball team left a whole bunch of it on the bench after a game when I worked for them. Got sick.

I have tried to smoke twice.

First time I got sick, coughed, hacked, wheezed....got a headache...

I said "Why in the hell do you want to feel this messed up?"

My friend said "Oh, you get used to it".

My reply: "I could never get used to being sick. Fuck this shit".

Thank the gods I dodged that bullet.
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[Hardrock69]

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Then I discovered pot.

:stoned-smiley:

[Kristy]

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[cadaverdog]

Here's what I did in school today.
12103
I forget to reset the date and time on my digital camera. I took that picture tonight.

[Hardrock69]

Krusty loves to engage in dull activities. It was programmed to be that way.

[ZahZoo]

I suspect that its the paper and the filters (some of which actually used to contain asbestos, and others ground glass) that contribute to cancer as much as the tobacco itself.

I've actually never smoked a tobacco cigarette in my life, but even with weed, I always preferred pipes and bongs to joints. Keep the paper out of the equation entirely.

Actually the paper and filters are the least harmful of the ingredients...

The raw tobacco leaves go through complex chemical baths prior to curing, cutting and manufacturing. In each cigarette, when lit there's 2000-4000 chemical compounds in the particulate matter commonly called tar that are the primary carcinogens... of which there are over 40+ known carcinogens. As Angel mentioned formaldehyde and benzene... add the following to that list as well as artificial flavoring chemicals...

Ammonia: Household cleaner
Angelica root extract: Known to cause cancer in animals
Arsenic: Used in rat poisons
Benzene: Used in making dyes, synthetic rubber
Butane: Gas; used in lighter fluid
Carbon monoxide: Poisonous gas
Cadmium: Used in batteries
Cyanide: Deadly poison
DDT: A banned insecticide
Ethyl Furoate: Causes liver damage in animals
Lead: Poisonous in high doses
Formaldehiyde: Used to preserve dead specimens
Methoprene: Insecticide
Megastigmatrienone: Chemical naturally found in grapefruit juice
Maltitol: Sweetener for diabetics
Napthalene: Ingredient in mothballs
Methyl isocyanate: Its accidental release killed 2000 people in Bhopal, India in 1984
Polonium: Cancer-causing radioactive element

[Nitro Express]

Table salt contains two deadly poisons. Sodium and Chloride. Ingest either one on their own and they will kill you deader than a doornail.

Some elements and compounds are poisonous on their own but become safe when combined with other dangerous elements and compounds. Strange how chemistry works.

[ZahZoo]

True... combine them with organic material and light them on fire and they make all kinds of new, interesting and deadly chemicals...

[Nitro Express]

What usually kills people in a fire is smoke. I don't care what's burning, inhaling any kind of smoke is not good for you. Especially habitually over a long period of time. I'm amazed smoking doesn't kill people sooner than it does.

[Nitro Express]

True... combine them with organic material and light them on fire and they make all kinds of new, interesting and deadly chemicals...

Take H20 (water) run a positive and negative lead from a DC power source and it will start to bubble. Oxygen will collect on one polarity and Hydrogen will collect on the other polarity. Both elements are flammable. Combine them and they put flames out. If the fire department sprayed pure hydrogen or oxygen out of their hoses you would have one hell of a blowtorch.

Talk about something to light your cigarette with.

[cadaverdog]

I'm amazed smoking doesn't kill people sooner than it does.
It doesn't kill everyone who smokes either. My dad is 85 and he's been smoking a pack a day of Kools for over 60 years. He's never had lung problems or any other smoking related ailments. It kills some people but barely effects others.

[Angel]

Hmmmm....interesting observation made in yesterday's sharing circle. Those raised traditionally (Indigenous) have happy first memories. Interesting...