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Mushroom
09-16-2014, 02:23 AM
Your thoughts? Pros and cons?

I have never smoked a tobacco cigarette in my life. I twice tried a clove cigarette and quickly quit that habit, went home and gave myself 13 lashings with a switch.

I will go out on a limb here and suggest George Lucas invented the vaporizer in 1976 with Star Wars.

I was 6 years old and bought cigarettes a number of times... for my stepdad who sent me to 7-Eleven with a note.

Ok I will preface my strong opinions with this fact: our free country continues to impose suffocating (I know, the irony) restrictions on smokers.

My opinions:

I hate cigarette smoke. But there is something special about playing on stage and smelling your mate's cigarette as he's playing his instrument.

Too bad you started smoking. I hope your health insurance costs increase so mine don't have to.

Smokers who throw their cigarette butts anywhere but the ashtray or trash are assholes plain and simple. I see that shit on the streets, sidewalks, beaches, ski slopes, hiking trails. Fuck you!

Thank you for vaping so I don't have to smell the smoke.

If you use a vaporizer you look ridiculous. You look like a fiend. Smoke a cigarette and look tough.

A friend once posted on Facebook "heading down to the Vape shop to pick up some new gear." Wow that's great, I think I will unfriend you once I figure out how.

Health regulations and vaping in public? This is the new debate. Sort of funny.

cadaverdog
09-16-2014, 04:10 AM
I don't smoke and I don't vape. The first time I smoked a cigarette I ended up with a eye like Rocky Baboa in the first Rocky movie. My little League coach hit a pop fly to me and I lost it in the sun. Ball hit me right in the eye. If I hadn't been so dizzy from smoking a Kool I stole from my dad before practice it never would have happened. I think the reason some people are against vaping is because of those commercials where they're trying to convince people they'd look cool vaping instead of pushing vaping as a way to help quit smoking. I have no problem with people smoking in bars and clubs but I'm glad people aren't allowed to smoke in restaraunts here anymore. I don't like to smell cigar or cigarette smoke while I'm trying to eat.

ZahZoo
09-16-2014, 09:58 AM
If you smoke... I would highly recommend you consider switching to vaping. It's a significant reduction in harm and the vapor has been shown in recent studies to be 700 times less harmful than smoke from combustion of tobacco. It's not 100% safe but the reduced health risks can not be denied. Smoke from burning cigarettes contains somewhere between 2000-4000 chemicals... many known carcinogens. E-juice contains 4-5 chemicals with no known carcinogens.

I've been 100% smoke/tobacco free for 20 months after having smoked for almost 40 years due to vaping. I tried quitting by every possible means with the exception of taking drugs like Chantix... patches, gum, cold turkey, cessation programs... none of that worked. The day I started vaping I smoked 1 cigarette and haven't touched one since. I've also reduced my nicotine intake from 24mg per ml down to 4mg per ml.

I started with the ones that look like cigarettes... but they are inferior in battery life and vapor delivery. I moved up to rechargeable battery units with Variable Voltage/Wattage which a single battery will last all day. I use refillable tanks that I can rebuild the heating coils. I now mix my own e-juice so I know 100% what's in it. The cost is about 20% of what I used to waste on tobacco.

Most of the public health debate is bullshit... several recent peer reviewed scientific studies have shown no risk to the public from 2nd hand vape. Most of the crap being published on health concerns from the CDC, World Health Org (WHO), American Lung Association, American Heart Association are really starting to stink to high heaven... their claimed health concerns are not scientific based and mostly bullshit fear mongering. Then when you start to follow the money it becomes clear what's motivating these so called health organization to outright lie... Big Pharmaceutical outfits are trying to protect their interests in NRT's (patches, gum, etc) and Big Tobacco settlements and tax revenue that funds huge portions of these health organizations is at risk...

It's sad... they'd rather protect their revenue stream and keep people smoking than encourage use of a product that is proven to be about 98% less harmful and could significantly reduce the health impacts from smoking tobacco.

Kristy
09-16-2014, 10:27 AM
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Cigarettes make you cool - and gay.

Kristy
09-16-2014, 10:29 AM
I hate cigarette smoke. But there is something special about playing on stage and smelling your mate's cigarette as he's playing his instrument.


I know what you mean. That failed musician smell.
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Jérôme Frenchise
09-16-2014, 10:47 AM
"Vapers" have that collected look, it's weird.

Tobacco is fucking hard to give up - I've been personnally hooked on Player's for 28 years -,
why set on another addiction with "vaping"?

Nitro Express
09-16-2014, 11:23 AM
"Vapers" have that collected look, it's weird.

Tobacco is fucking hard to give up - I've been personnally hooked on Player's for 28 years -,
why set on another addiction with "vaping"?

It's what you want to do with it. You can get your nicotine fix or you can systematically wing yourself off of it. Vaping is just a resistor heating up water and producing steam. You can add whatever else you want to the juice. Since most people's retirement funds usually include tobacco stocks and tobacco is a substantial tax revenue for governments get ready to see vaping come under fire by various organizations and the government. The bottom line is the powers that be secretly want people to still smoke the cancer sticks.

Nitro Express
09-16-2014, 11:31 AM
I don't smoke and I don't vape. The first time I smoked a cigarette I ended up with a eye like Rocky Baboa in the first Rocky movie. My little League coach hit a pop fly to me and I lost it in the sun. Ball hit me right in the eye. If I hadn't been so dizzy from smoking a Kool I stole from my dad before practice it never would have happened. I think the reason some people are against vaping is because of those commercials where they're trying to convince people they'd look cool vaping instead of pushing vaping as a way to help quit smoking. I have no problem with people smoking in bars and clubs but I'm glad people aren't allowed to smoke in restaraunts here anymore. I don't like to smell cigar or cigarette smoke while I'm trying to eat.

I will smoke a cigar every now and then. I only smoke expensive ones so it's kind of like opening an expensive bottle of wine. You don't drink it everyday. I've never had the urge to run down to the gas station and buy a pack of cigarettes and start puffing away. I can count how many cigars I smoke in a year on both hands.

I kind of miss cigarette smoke actually. The smoke covered up the other smells. LOL! We had a neighbor who smoked cherry pipe tobacco. It made you want to hang around because the stuff smelled so good. Remember going into the cafes and pancake houses when you were a kid? There was that smell of coffee, bacon, sausage, and eggs cooking and cigarettes. It was the classic morning breakfast smell and you don't smell it anymore.

I don't know why we want to prolong our lives. I have a friend who manages an assisted living home. Medical technology prolongs people's lives but usually their minds start to go. They become a burdon on the family. You visit these homes and it's just a holding place for old people out of their minds ready to die. Yeah they got the extra years but is it a quality life? Hell. Enjoy the cigarettes, they might just make you miss the living hell called an assisted living home. Better to drop dead from a heart attack than to be stuck in adult diapers and pissing in a bag for ten years.

FORD
09-16-2014, 01:05 PM
I don't know how much healthier vaping is for tobacco addicts, but as a non smoker, it's definitely healthier for ME not to breathe any second hand carcinogens. So on that basis alone, I endorse it.

Of course vaping isn't just for tobacco derivatives.......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbG4jepZsAo

Kristy
09-16-2014, 01:13 PM
In Colorado, vaping weed in public can get you arrested.

FORD
09-16-2014, 01:47 PM
In Colorado, vaping weed in public can get you arrested.

It can in Washington too, so I'm not really sure that ad is all that realistic in the scenarios it portrays. Hell, the laws here are so fucked up that they can be interpreted to say that you have to be on property that you OWN to get high, meaning that renters are out of luck entirely.

Of course I have yet to read of any cops actually trying to endorse that part of the law yet. Generally I think the law enforcement consensus around here now is, unless you have a crowd of people blocking the street while passing a bong around, they don't give a shit about stoners anymore, and they can get back to speed traps as their primary method of funding themselves.

cadaverdog
09-16-2014, 03:02 PM
I didn't know you could vape weed. I saw some youngsters vaping something at the park while I was shooting hoops the other day and I suspected they were getting stoned but I wasn't sure. I use a sneak a toke if I'm smoking in public.

ZahZoo
09-16-2014, 03:08 PM
"Vapers" have that collected look, it's weird.

Tobacco is fucking hard to give up - I've been personnally hooked on Player's for 28 years -,
why set on another addiction with "vaping"?

I wouldn't call it "another" addiction unless you are going duel usage smoking and vaping... I view it primarily changing to a different delivery system with significantly less health risk.

Actually, due to vaping, scientific studies are now questioning if nicotine is actually as addictive as it's been made out to be.

Prior to just the last few years... nicotine studies have all been done as a result of tobacco use. There have been few scientific studies of nicotine use without tobacco involved in either smokeless or smoked. The findings show significantly less addictive indications compared to tobacco based studies... Further studies are under way but there are signs that tobacco-specific nitrosamines may play a more dominant role in tobacco addiction than nicotine alone.

In question also was the known practice by tobacco companies treating tobacco with formaldehyde and ammonia which alters nicotine molecules to make them easier absorbed directly into the blood stream in humans. These chemicals do not exist in the liquid nicotine used in e-cigarettes.

Kristy
09-16-2014, 11:37 PM
It can in Washington too, so I'm not really sure that ad is all that realistic in the scenarios it portrays. Hell, the laws here are so fucked up that they can be interpreted to say that you have to be on property that you OWN to get high, meaning that renters are out of luck entirely.

Of course I have yet to read of any cops actually trying to endorse that part of the law yet. Generally I think the law enforcement consensus around here now is, unless you have a crowd of people blocking the street while passing a bong around, they don't give a shit about stoners anymore, and they can get back to speed traps as their primary method of funding themselves.

My understanding that lies with the landlord's discretion. If the landlord doesn't agree with a tenet smoking weed they do have the right to evict. It is at that point the police do become involved - if the tenet refuses to leave.

Nitro Express
09-17-2014, 01:00 AM
I wouldn't call it "another" addiction unless you are going duel usage smoking and vaping... I view it primarily changing to a different delivery system with significantly less health risk.

Actually, due to vaping, scientific studies are now questioning if nicotine is actually as addictive as it's been made out to be.

Prior to just the last few years... nicotine studies have all been done as a result of tobacco use. There have been few scientific studies of nicotine use without tobacco involved in either smokeless or smoked. The findings show significantly less addictive indications compared to tobacco based studies... Further studies are under way but there are signs that tobacco-specific nitrosamines may play a more dominant role in tobacco addiction than nicotine alone.

In question also was the known practice by tobacco companies treating tobacco with formaldehyde and ammonia which alters nicotine molecules to make them easier absorbed directly into the blood stream in humans. These chemicals do not exist in the liquid nicotine used in e-cigarettes.

The addiction seems to be dependent on the person. Some people might be addicted to nicotine like a heroin addict but some people aren't. Like I said, I have a cigar every blue moon. I'm fine with that. It's not like because I smoked a cigar that I have to run down to the gas station for a pack of Camels to feed my fix.

It's just fun to have a big obscene steak dinner old school with all the so called bad stuff, drink some scotch or rum and puff on the stogies.

Nitro Express
09-17-2014, 01:03 AM
My understanding that lies with the landlord's discretion. If the landlord doesn't agree with a tenet smoking weed they do have the right to evict. It is at that point the police do become involved - if the tenet refuses to leave.


When I was a landlord all I cared about was that you paid rent on time and didn't trash the place. If I got my rent and you took good care of the place, you could toke yourself to Pluto and I wouldn't care.

ZahZoo
09-17-2014, 10:46 AM
The addiction seems to be dependent on the person. Some people might be addicted to nicotine like a heroin addict but some people aren't. Like I said, I have a cigar every blue moon. I'm fine with that. It's not like because I smoked a cigar that I have to run down to the gas station for a pack of Camels to feed my fix.

It's just fun to have a big obscene steak dinner old school with all the so called bad stuff, drink some scotch or rum and puff on the stogies.

I agree, there's some variation per person on the addictiveness of nicotine.

From following posts at some of the e-cigarette sites I visit. Some folks can take up vaping and make the jump off of smoking almost immediately and others it takes months and for some they just can't make the switch.

Some of it could be the variance in gear and the quality of vapor production... others getting the right nicotine strength in their juice. Then some it seems there's clearly something in the complex chemical concoction of burning tobacco that their body continues to crave beyond nicotine and the physical hand to mouth actions.

There's some studies going on that are trying to isolate this and the tobacco-specific nitrosamines are a primary suspect. The thing that I find strange is that for all the studies and known health impacts of smoking tobacco over the last 60 years... the tobacco companies are still not required to disclose all of the chemical additives they use in processing tobacco to make cigarettes.

For an allegedly "regulated" product... why the hell aren't the ingredients in cigarettes well published and potentially restricted to just the natural tobacco to minimize health risks..? I know the answer is hidden in the money trail... but when does the world wise up..?

Jérôme Frenchise
09-17-2014, 11:00 AM
What about inhaling alcohol vapor while we're at it? :confused1:

I'd rather stop drinking any alcohol than vaping it, personally - just the same with vaping instead of smoking tobacco. :)

ZahZoo
09-17-2014, 11:53 AM
There was some silly product out for vaping alcohol or breathing the fumes... Didn't work so well. Plus you really don't want alcohol going directly into your blood stream... best to make it work to get you happy then feel like crap hours later!!

Seshmeister
09-17-2014, 12:14 PM
The addiction seems to be dependent on the person. Some people might be addicted to nicotine like a heroin addict but some people aren't. Like I said, I have a cigar every blue moon. I'm fine with that. It's not like because I smoked a cigar that I have to run down to the gas station for a pack of Camels to feed my fix.

It's just fun to have a big obscene steak dinner old school with all the so called bad stuff, drink some scotch or rum and puff on the stogies.

I can't remember the technical terms but there was a doctor on the radio a while back saying that around a third of people are born without the nicotine addiction receptors in their brain. Those lucky people have no physical craving effects when they don't smoke so it's super easy for them to stop and start as they wish.

Makes sense to me as I've definitely met quite a few people like that over the years. They are a bit dangerous to the other 2/3rds who get trapped as they'll assume they can do the same thing.

Seshmeister
09-17-2014, 12:17 PM
I agree, there's some variation per person on the addictiveness of nicotine.

From following posts at some of the e-cigarette sites I visit. Some folks can take up vaping and make the jump off of smoking almost immediately and others it takes months and for some they just can't make the switch.

Some of it could be the variance in gear and the quality of vapor production... others getting the right nicotine strength in their juice. Then some it seems there's clearly something in the complex chemical concoction of burning tobacco that their body continues to crave beyond nicotine and the physical hand to mouth actions.


My friend making the switch said that you need to smoke differently (longer draws) and that different brands work differently.

Apparently there is a lot of info online at forums - smokersarmy or whatever. :)

I'm kind of glad I gave up before the vaping thing as I don't think I would have bothered stopping, I would have just switched.

cadaverdog
09-17-2014, 02:14 PM
Mr brother and sister in law quit smoking using a combination of vaping and patches. It will be 5 years this New Years they've been tobacco free.

Angel
09-17-2014, 04:24 PM
Just found out they now allow nicotine in canuck vapes...I'll be pursuing this for sure...

Nitro Express
09-17-2014, 05:07 PM
Also the act of smoking is addicting. Some people love the feel of the cigarette in their fingers. I guess it's like how some people are addicted to cracking their knuckles or picking their nose. LOL!

Nitro Express
09-17-2014, 05:09 PM
Vaping is more like pipe smoking than cigarette smoking. I need to get one of those corn cob vape pipes and dress like General McArther for Halloween. I got the Ray Ban shades I just need a general's uniform.

Seshmeister
09-17-2014, 05:19 PM
Just found out they now allow nicotine in canuck vapes...I'll be pursuing this for sure...

I honestly had no idea you could get them without nicotine... :)

Angel
09-18-2014, 12:17 AM
I honestly had no idea you could get them without nicotine... :)
I don't know when they ok'd it. They have varying strengths. I guess 0 is for those who have kicked the nicotine, just can't get past the habit.

ZahZoo
09-18-2014, 10:53 AM
I honestly had no idea you could get them without nicotine... :)

The pre-filled disposables made by big tobacco companies you can't get 0 nicotine.

But the refillable tank units... you purchase your own e-juice and vendors sell juice in hundreds of flavors with nicotine levels per milliliter (ml) in strengths of 0, 4, 6, 12, 16, 18, 24 & 36.

There's also a booming DIY market where you can buy unflavored nicotine, vegetable glycerin (VG), Propylene Glycol (PG) and flavoring and make your own flavors and nicotine strength...

If you are going 0 nicotine... you can purchase Glycerin at a drug store and artificial flavoring at a baking supply store and make your own juice.

Angel there's a ton of vapers in Canada that are able to get juice with or without nicotine... Here's a great resource if you are interested... http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/

Nitro Express
09-18-2014, 11:39 AM
I honestly had no idea you could get them without nicotine... :)

Actually the vaping concept was invented by a guy in China who was trying to quit smoking. He came up with the idea of heating water into steam in a device that replicated a cigarette and smoking. When you drag on the vape device, the vacuum closes a switch which sends electrical current to a resistor heating element which boils water based liquid into steam and makes the vapor. You can add whatever you want into the vape juice or just have plain water in it.

The theory is you would make the vape juice close to the nicotine level of a regular cigarette and then slowly lower the nicotine content until the vape juice was nicotine free but you still could smoke something. Part of the addiction is having a cigarette in your hand and dragging on it and with a vape device that's all covered.

In fact, it's started a new addiction of buying various vape devices, juices, batteries and charging devices. LOL!

Nitro Express
09-18-2014, 11:45 AM
The pre-filled disposables made by big tobacco companies you can't get 0 nicotine.

But the refillable tank units... you purchase your own e-juice and vendors sell juice in hundreds of flavors with nicotine levels per milliliter (ml) in strengths of 0, 4, 6, 12, 16, 18, 24 & 36.

There's also a booming DIY market where you can buy unflavored nicotine, vegetable glycerin (VG), Propylene Glycol (PG) and flavoring and make your own flavors and nicotine strength...

If you are going 0 nicotine... you can purchase Glycerin at a drug store and artificial flavoring at a baking supply store and make your own juice.

Angel there's a ton of vapers in Canada that are able to get juice with or without nicotine... Here's a great resource if you are interested... http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/

Someone said this juice was worth trying.

http://www.mtbakervapor.com/nicotine-juice/black-cherry-e-juice-baker-vapor/

Our next door neighbor when I was kid smoked a pipe. He smoked this cherry blend tobacco and you could tell when he was outside because you could smell the cherry tobacco. It was the most awesome smell. This was the type of dude that had the totally manicured yard. Played golf religiously and drove a cool black Thunderbird covertible that was always shined up and polished and looked like it had been detailed. If the guy pulled it out of the garage, the inside of the garage was pristine with all the tools hanging neatly on custom organized pegs. Not a weed to be found in his perfect flower beds.

It was like the dude lived in a perfect world. He must have had gnomes doing his gardening and washing and cleaning his car. Everyone at one time or another has a messy garage. Not this guy. Not even an oil spot on the garage floor.

These are the aliens amongst us. The perfect people. You really do wonder where they come from.

ZahZoo
09-18-2014, 02:49 PM
Mt Baker is a great outfit!!

Their Bananas Gone Nuts tastes just like fresh baked banana nut bread. They have a flavor called Spring Break which is a mix of tropical fruit flavors... real smooth not too sweet or tart. Their Blueberry taste like real not artificial blueberries...

Good thing about them is they allow you to pick your VG/PG ratio, nicotine strength and you can add extra flavor shots if you want more flavor kick. Reasonably priced too. They are based out of Seattle...

Nitro Express
09-18-2014, 05:59 PM
They must know what they are doing. They went from an apartment to a real store pretty quick. That's a lot of juice sold. It's pretty cool that you can order no or any amount of nicotine added. The darn thing is the so called health organizations and big tobacco have these types of businesses in their cross hairs. The juice and vaping dealers need to pull together and get a lobby going if they want to stay around.

cadaverdog
09-18-2014, 07:58 PM
Actually the vaping concept was invented by a guy in China who was trying to quit smoking. He came up with the idea of heating water into steam in a device that replicated a cigarette and smoking.

He should have just rolled up a joint of lettuce. I bonged a small piece I was using to keep my pot moist and it put out a serious amount of clean white smoke like vapor.

FORD
09-18-2014, 08:10 PM
I doubt lettuce leaves would do anything. I do remember reading years ago that lettuce cores contained a very small amount of opium however.

And when I say "small amount", I mean you would probably have to sneak into the back of a produce truck and steal the cores out of every core of lettuce on the truck and then boil that down to concentrate it.

cadaverdog
09-18-2014, 08:47 PM
I doubt lettuce leaves would do anything.

I didn't smoke it to get high. It sort of looked like a bud so I figured I'd see how it tasted. It was basically tasteless.

FORD
09-18-2014, 08:59 PM
I didn't smoke it to get high. It sort of looked like a bud so I figured I'd see how it tasted. It was basically tasteless.

So in other words, just like it is in a salad?

Nickdfresh
09-18-2014, 09:03 PM
There's another word for vaping, it's "douchebaggery"...

cadaverdog
09-18-2014, 10:08 PM
So in other words, just like it is in a salad?
Pretty much.

cadaverdog
09-18-2014, 10:12 PM
There's another word for vaping, it's "douchebaggery"...
It sure looks that way in the commercials with the dude who looks like he just got up from sleeping off a three day drunk.

Nitro Express
09-18-2014, 11:17 PM
He should have just rolled up a joint of lettuce. I bonged a small piece I was using to keep my pot moist and it put out a serious amount of clean white smoke like vapor.

It probably was steam from the water in the lettuce.

ODShowtime
09-24-2014, 06:31 AM
There's another word for vaping, it's "douchebaggery"...

I vape all day and I sure as shit don't do it to impress people. I'm not sure why you'd be offended by something that doesn't smell.

ZahZoo
09-24-2014, 09:48 AM
Majority of people who vape are doing it to quit smoking tobacco and engage in nicotine consumption with significantly reduced harm to their bodies.

Nick engages in name calling to impress people... sadly after a decade of doing so here he still hasn't achieved his goal. But he keeps trying...

cadaverdog
09-24-2014, 02:35 PM
I vape all day and I sure as shit don't do it to impress people. I'm not sure why you'd be offended by something that doesn't smell.
I'm not offended by it but I think the manufacturers would do better to advertise them as a way to help people quit smoking instead of trying convince people think they'd look cool by vaping.

Mushroom
09-24-2014, 11:55 PM
My first reaction to seeing somebody vaping (I think this was 2013)... that dude is smoking weed and getting high. I guess it's not that simple, maybe it is. I hear a lot of news stories lately about people using butane to extract THC from marijuana and causing explosions. I suspect the end product if not burned off in an explosion could be used in the vaporizers. That's some desperate stupidity.

ODShowtime
09-25-2014, 07:14 AM
My first reaction to seeing somebody vaping (I think this was 2013)... that dude is smoking weed and getting high. I guess it's not that simple, maybe it is. I hear a lot of news stories lately about people using butane to extract THC from marijuana and causing explosions. I suspect the end product if not burned off in an explosion could be used in the vaporizers. That's some desperate stupidity.

I also have an oil pen and that thing fuckin' kicks ass! It's IS totally cool! I get the commercial Co2 oil carts. It is the future and it is amazing and I love it so much. And I'm very jealous of certain people in certain states that can waltz into a store and buy them for half of what I pay.

Only problem is they malfunction. Soundgarden is just starting and Searching with My Good Eye is kicking in and I'm sucking on this full cart of durban poison and all of a sudden it craps out and I'm left not-high and dry for the whole concert. I blew out the god-damn heating element! Never again! Military style redundancy from now on.

ZahZoo
09-25-2014, 10:33 AM
I'm not offended by it but I think the manufacturers would do better to advertise them as a way to help people quit smoking instead of trying convince people think they'd look cool by vaping.

In the US... FDA regulations prohibit making any sort of health claims in advertising unless it's an approved medical device or drug.

Back in 2009... because of health claims for quitting smoking and other health advantages being claimed by mostly Chinese manufacturers the FDA was able to shut down imports of e-cigarettes as unauthorized medical devices and authorized US Customs to seize all incoming product. This briefly shutdown and crippled the industry but 2 manufacturers sued and won in federal court.

The downside to that is the Appellate Court ruling is the federal judge allowed e-cigarettes to be classified as tobacco products. This opened the door for the FDA to include them in the recently proposed deeming regulations under the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act of 2009 (FSPTCA).

The public and industry comment period recently closed and we're now waiting to see what the FDA's final version of the deeming regulations end up being. If the regulations are enacted as proposed it would eliminate the entire industry in the US with exception of the crappy cig-a-likes made by the big tobacco companies. Any products not on the market before 2007 would be prohibited and subject to FDA approval. Only Big Tobacco can afford the millions in fees and studies required to gain approval...

cadaverdog
09-25-2014, 03:48 PM
I also have an oil pen and that thing fuckin' kicks ass! It's IS totally cool! I get the commercial Co2 oil carts. It is the future and it is amazing and I love it so much. And I'm very jealous of certain people in certain states that can waltz into a store and buy them for half of what I pay.

Only problem is they malfunction. Soundgarden is just starting and Searching with My Good Eye is kicking in and I'm sucking on this full cart of durban poison and all of a sudden it craps out and I'm left not-high and dry for the whole concert. I blew out the god-damn heating element! Never again! Military style redundancy from now on.
I doubt I would like smoking oil, wax or dabs. Some of the pot they have now is too much for me. I've been smoking for about 40 years and it's only been in the last couple that smoking strong pot gives me a buzz I don't care for. It's not that it gets me too stoned, it makes me have mild to medium panic attacks. I have a pretty good stash of bud from a plant I harvested that didn't quite make it to full maturity. It gets me plenty high without giving me a head trip. I have another plant of "Northern Lights" that's almost ready to harvest but I can already see I won't be able to smoke much of it. Even the leaves are covered with chrystals. I'll just sell some and buy some more trimmings from the pot store when I run out. The plant I already yanked had seeds so I'll have plenty for spring unless I get a wild hair and start growing a couple plants indoors. I've been studying up on growing technics and cloning so my next crop should be a lot better than this years was.

ODShowtime
09-26-2014, 05:57 AM
The public and industry comment period recently closed and we're now waiting to see what the FDA's final version of the deeming regulations end up being. If the regulations are enacted as proposed it would eliminate the entire industry in the US with exception of the crappy cig-a-likes made by the big tobacco companies. Any products not on the market before 2007 would be prohibited and subject to FDA approval. Only Big Tobacco can afford the millions in fees and studies required to gain approval...


This is terrible news but of course I'm not surprised.

ZahZoo
09-26-2014, 09:48 AM
Interesting article and rough estimates of the cost reduction of potential health risks...




September 25, 2014 4:44PM
FDA Doesn’t Want E-Cigs Marketed as Safer Than Tobacco Cigarettes
By Matthew Feeney
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In a forthcoming article in Regulation California Polytechnic State University economics professor Michael Marlow describes the negative effects on public health of the proposed regulation of e-cigarettes. The FDA proposes to expand its authority granted under of Section 911 of the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act. “Section 911 bans marketing tobacco products as modified risk products without FDA approval. Moreover, manufacturers are unable to inform consumers their products do not contain tobacco.”

The prohibition on marketing e-cigarettes as safer than traditional cigarettes has not been subject to cost-benefit analysis. This is particularly significant given that the literature on e-cigarettes suggests that they help smokers quit. Even the JAMA Patient Page, published by The American Medical Association last January, highlighted a number of potential e-cigarette benefits such as their lack of tobacco and the less toxic nature of e-cigarette vapor compared to cigarette second-hand smoke.

In his back-of-the envelope calculation using quit rates from the published literature, Marlow estimates that the benefits related to e-cigarettes would be between $15.6 and $49.2 billion a year as the result of between 2.4 and 6.4 million smokers becoming former smokers every year. “Prohibiting sales to youth and requiring a clear description of product ingredients may be appropriate. But prohibiting any information regarding potential efficacy in harm reduction is hard to justify given substantial benefits reported in currently available studies.”


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