Elizabeth Warren

[ELVIS]

Judicial Watch (http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-announces-list-of-washingtons-ten-most-wanted-corrupt-politicians-for-2012/)

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Judicial Watch uncovered evidence that Elizabeth Warren gave false statements under oath regarding Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) activities when she served as the agency’s interim director.

According to the records, Warren and the CFPB were intimately involved in brokering a 50-state settlement underway with the nation’s largest mortgage lenders related to alleged improper foreclosure procedures.

This evidence seems to contradict Warren’s statements before Congress suggesting her office responded to requests for advice, but did not seek to push its views.

During a March 16, 2011, hearing of the House Financial Services Subcommittee on Financial Institutions and Consumer Credit, Ms. Warren downplayed her agency’s involvement in the state settlement negotiations: “We have been asked for advice by the Department of Justice, by the Secretary of the Treasury, and by other federal agencies. And when asked for advice, we have given our advice.”

But this does not come close to telling the full story.

Emails obtained by Judicial Watch from several states suggest her agency’s participation was far more intense and aggressive. Warren called emergency meetings by phone and in person with attorneys general nationwide to contribute unsolicited input on the matter.

The documents also indicate that Warren’s office insisted on keeping its contact with the state attorneys general secret.

For example, in a February 25, 2011, email to the Executive Committee of the National Association of Attorneys General (NAAG), Iowa Assistant Attorney General Patrick Madigan wrote: “Elizabeth Warren would like to present the CFPB’s view on loan modifications.” Two weeks earlier, a similar email was distributed to NAAG’s Loss Mitigation Subgroup on Warren’s behalf. In an email on February 15 regarding that meeting, Madigan points out that “The CFPB wanted me to stress the confidential nature of this briefing.”

[FORD]

Larry Klansman's "judicialwatch" - Infowhores with a law degree.

Oh by the way.... he's a Jew, so I know you won't believe anything he says, right?

[ELVIS]

No, that's not right...

[ELVIS]

And why do you keep moving my posts, asshole ??

There was an article here about the 300 Obama staffers wanting Elizabitch to run for president...

Where is it ??

[ELVIS]

What are you afraid of ??

Afraid that the fifteen or so members here might see how disingenuous Warren is ??

Oh, but it's OK if you want to bash someone and call them names, but not if it's in the interest of your bullshit agenda...

You're a real piece of work, freak...

Up yours...

[ELVIS]

Weekly Standard (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/300-former-obama-staffers-urge-elizabeth-warren-run-president_821232.html)

300 Former Obama Staffers Urge Elizabeth Warren to Run for President

A group of more than 300 hundred former Obama staffers have written an open letter urging Elizabeth Warren to run for president of the United States. "We helped elect Barack Obama — now we’re calling on Elizabeth Warren to run in 2016," the letter is titled.

We believed in an unlikely candidate who no one thought had a chance.

We worked for him — and against all odds, we won in Iowa.

We organized like no campaign had organized before — and won the Democratic primary.

We built a movement — and the country elected the first-ever African American president.

We know that the improbable is far from impossible.

Now, former staffers from President Obama’s campaigns, along with former staffers from OFA, are joining with the thousands of Americans who are calling on Elizabeth Warren to run for president in 2016.

Rising income inequality is the challenge of our times, and we want someone who will stand up for working families and take on the Wall Street banks and special interests that took down our economy.

We urge Elizabeth Warren to run for president in 2016.

The list of former Obama staffers who signed the letter is here.

The letter was organized by a group called Ready for Warren. The group's goal is to get Warren to run for president.

"We are ready for Elizabeth Warren to run for President in 2016," reads the group's website.

"Warren is the backbone that the Democratic Party too often forgets it needs. She has inspired a movement—yet to jump into the race for president, we need to show the Senator that she’s got support all across the country, from Oklahoma to Massachusetts, from Florida to Nevada.

[FORD]

I didn't delete anything. I just moved it to a thread that wasn't based on slander.

Even though you meant this article as slanderous, and the WEAKly Standard, probably did too.

It's a good thing that some of the folks who believed in Obama early on (yeah, I was one of them :( ) because we wanted to stop Hillary's "inevitability" in 2008 are not going to accept Hillary next time either.

But Elizabeth Warren is a far better candidate than Obama was. Because her actions match her speeches.

[ELVIS]

How in the fuck do you know what I meant ??

Grow a fucking pair and defend the lying fake Indian bitch, if you can...

Geez, you're a piece of grotesque work...

Defend yourself, for God's sake...

Maybe you'll learn to know who He is...

[ELVIS]

But Elizabeth Warren is a far better candidate than Obama was. Because her actions match her speeches.

That's easy to say, Obomba is an enemy of freedom loving America...

But prove it...

Say something in her favor...

A turd would be better than Obomba...

[FORD]

Scroll down to the bottom of the page. You'll see several threads from the past 2 years or more where I've been talking about future Vice President Warren.

[ELVIS]

Yeah, no shit...

I read it all and then some...

She's a fucking liar, just like all of you liberal progressive, anti-American scum...

Take care of your own life and stop the "for the American people" bullshit...

Liberals LIKE YOU, DAVE, are the true heirs of the Nazi spirit...

[ELVIS]

Here's a good question...

What's the difference between Sesh's red ass and your red face ??

Nothing...

You've both been bitch slapped back to obscurity where you belong...


:killer:

[Hardrock69]

As usual, Elbow posts a bunch of info that means nothing.

Elizabeth Warren said she was asked for advice. That stupid article does not say she did anything different.

And Elbow....just shut your fucking pie hole.

Fucking crybaby.
http://i57.tinypic.com/24pgoax.png

[jacksmar]

I didn't delete anything. I just moved it to a thread that wasn't based on slander.

Even though you meant this article as slanderous, and the WEAKly Standard, probably did too.

It's a good thing that some of the folks who believed in Obama early on (yeah, I was one of them :( ) because we wanted to stop Hillary's "inevitability" in 2008 are not going to accept Hillary next time either.

But Elizabeth Warren is a far better candidate than Obama was. Because her actions match her speeches.

Warren is a socialist lying cunt, nothing more. Got that?


Move this one asshole.

[jacksmar]

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[jacksmar]

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[jacksmar]

http://03546f5.netsolhost.com/WordPress/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/lieawatha.jpg

[jacksmar]

http://ia600805.us.archive.org/13/items/ElizabethWarrenSenatePfd/ElizabethWarrenSenateCampaignDisclosure.pdf

14.5 mill............. hmmmm.........................

FORD, your socialist granny may fuck you in her 750,000 condo but no chance to fuck her in a dirty shit stained OWS sleeping bag. Sorry for your luck.

Maybe Hanoi Jane or Hanoi Liestein.

“I realize there are some wealthy individuals – I’m not one of them, but some wealthy individuals who have a lot of stock portfolios” ---Old as Squat

[jacksmar]

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/c7/7c/62/c77c62126a35c47b99d7dc8fc6e9cf94.jpg


OLD AS SQUAT

[Angel]

Racism and sexism not enough for ya? Jerksmear brings you ageism...

[Hardrock69]

Haha......

If Elbow and his Jackoff butt-buddy get bent out of shape over someone, that means the "someone" is doing something great.

The Dumbass Twins can't handle someone that is actually doing positive stuff for the American people.

The Dumbass Twins, being fascist Communist asshole motherfuckers, get angry when the Retardlican Party's plans to destroy America are foiled by people such as Elizabeth Warren.

Suckers.

You poor worthless shitbags are just going to have to suffer.

I am sure you also think cheap oil prices are a "Commie plot".

Fucking idiots.

:lmao:

[Kristy]

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/c7/7c/62/c77c62126a35c47b99d7dc8fc6e9cf94.jpg


OLD AS SQUAT

For someone such as yourself who can now also qualify for AARP benefits you really have no valid opinion here.

[Nickdfresh]

It's funny when political retards from Florida and Louseyanna worry about other states' politicians....

[ELVIS]

It's funny when you continually display your ignorance...

[jacksmar]

For someone such as yourself who can now also qualify for AARP benefits you really have no valid opinion here.

Sorry I couldn't get to this sooner, but grandpa jacksmar had to put out the bondfire and just got out of the hot tub at 4:30am.

Kristy, tits out......and bring my wine glass from the deck...........

http://blogs.wickedlocal.com/somerville/files/2012/03/granny-18.jpg

Elizabeth Warren ---- Granny ----------Socialist

[jacksmar]

It's funny when political retards from Florida and Louseyanna worry about other states' politicians....

What street again? Davidson?

Oh, and come and get every asshole out of Florida with NY on their license plate, please. The NY assholes are pretty thick down here this time of year.

[jacksmar]

Haha......

If Elbow and his Jackoff butt-buddy get bent out of shape over someone, that means the "someone" is doing something great.

The Dumbass Twins can't handle someone that is actually doing positive stuff for the American people.

The Dumbass Twins, being fascist Communist asshole motherfuckers, get angry when the Retardlican Party's plans to destroy America are foiled by people such as Elizabeth Warren.

Suckers.

You poor worthless shitbags are just going to have to suffer.

I am sure you also think cheap oil prices are a "Commie plot".

Fucking idiots.

:lmao:

HR, You really should stay with the porn threads.......

And do you want to have a conversation about oil prices or are you just tossing off?

[Nickdfresh]

It's funny when you continually display your ignorance...

It's just sad that you display your mental illness and brain rotted from substance abuse...

[Nickdfresh]

What street again? Davidson?

Oh, and come and get every asshole out of Florida with NY on their license plate, please. The NY assholes are pretty thick down here this time of year.

Not as thick as the redneck locals...

[jacksmar]

Not as thick as the redneck locals...

Whatever nick..............

http://hoofin.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/warren-expression.jpg

OLD AS SQUAT: miffed injun!!!!

[FORD]

Don't you have a Klan KKKristmas party to go to, Jerksmear? :rolleyes:

[jacksmar]

Don't you have a Klan KKKristmas party to go to, Jerksmear? :rolleyes:

Partied late into last night, TARD.

And don't miss.................

http://apcomparative.wikispaces.com/file/view/Communist_Party.gif/71628079/Communist_Party.gif

[ELVIS]

http://www.politifake.org/image/political/1205/chief-speaking-bull-elizabeth-warren-harvard-cherokee-indian-politics-1337269711.jpg


:biggrin:

[Nickdfresh]

Maybe the board Nazis can put her people in oncentration amps?

[ELVIS]

Board Nazis ??

You mean like FROD, Shitmeister and your Wiki dick self ??

[FORD]

You voted for Steve Scalise and David DuKKKe and quote sermons from Taylor Swift's white supremacist grandpa, but I'm the Nazi????

Right......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpIQWbi41MQ :meinsmiley:

[Nickdfresh]

Board Nazis ??

You mean like FROD, Shitmeister and your Wiki dick self ??

Wrong as usual, whitetrash fucktard....

[ELVIS]

You voted for Steve Scalise and David DuKKKe and quote sermons from Taylor Swift's white supremacist grandpa...

Lying as usual, white trash fucktard board Nazi...

[Nickdfresh]

Lying as usual, white trash fucktard board Nazi...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs4Gj7JsET4

Try harder Elvira, you have a very low bar set so it shouldn't be that tough to out-do your painfully unfunny redundant sourgrapes act... :first::handjob:

[Nickdfresh]

You're making fun of Elizabeth Warren for referring to her Native American roots? Who the fuck are you to pick on other states politicians when your state almost voted a Neonazi in as governor, and who only narrowly lost to an admitted crook:


1991: David Duke and Edwin Edwards in runoff for governor
The Times-Picayune By The Times-Picayune
on January 03, 2012 at 11:59 PM

http://imgick.nola.com/home/nola-media/width960/img/tpphotos/photo/2011/12/-be2653b6168e48e7.jpg
The bitter 1991 Louisiana gubernatorial runoff between state Rep. David Duke and three-term governor Edwin Edwards shook the state and the nation. Confrontations occurred between supporters of Edwards, a Democrat who had faced two racketeering trials before being acquitted in 1986, and Duke, a Republican who had paraded as a Ku Klux Klan grand wizard, helped plot the invasion of a Caribbean island and celebrated the birthday of Adolf Hitler.

http://www.nola.com/175years/index.ssf/2012/01/1991_david_duke_and_edwin_edwa.html

[Nickdfresh]

Whatever nick..............

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Mark_Foley%2C_official_109th_Congress_photo.jpg

THANK YOU FOR YOUR VOTES, Jacksmen!! Do you know any beautiful young boys?

Right back at'cha!!

[ELVIS]

You're making fun of Elizabeth Warren for referring to her Native American roots?

Hahahahahahahaha...

That's the funniest thing you ever said...

[Guitar Shark]

LOL @ "Jacksmen." Sometimes the simplest insults are the best...

[jacksmar]

Right back at'cha!!

http://anodtothegods.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/o-HILLARY-CLINTON-ELIZABETH-WARREN-facebook.jpg

Old As Squat and Truman Capote reminiscing about facials.

[Guitar Shark]

Is a squat old? I don't understand the reference.

[Satan]

Jerksmear probably means to say "Squaw" which is often misinterpreted by white folks as being a harmless Native American term for women, but in reality is a pejorative in that culture somewhere in the neighborhood of "bitch" or "cunt".

[jacksmar]

Jerksmear probably means to say "Squaw" which is often misinterpreted by white folks as being a harmless Native American term for women, but in reality is a pejorative in that culture somewhere in the neighborhood of "bitch" or "cunt".

Don't pretend or assume what the reference is for me FORD. "White folks" didn't invent a single term for women in tribe lingo. It may come as a surprise to you that Indians had tents for "Bleeding Twat" ..................

But based on your political BCE bullshit behind every Indian tent flap, it really comes as no surprise at all............

You really shouldn't project your racial bias onto Indians as you just did, FORD. It totally demeans your standing as a 'mod'......................

[Satan]

Unlike your racist ass, a Devil actually understands the Native American beliefs regarding women being on their "moon time" (as the menstrual cycle is referred to) and why they are kept seperated from the men, especially when it comes to ceremonial matters. If you have never been in a sweatlodge with women "on their moon", you couldn't possibly understand what a Devil is talking about.

[Angel]

Unlike your racist ass, a Devil actually understands the Native American beliefs regarding women being on their "moon time" (as the menstrual cycle is referred to) and why they are kept seperated from the men, especially when it comes to ceremonial matters. If you have never been in a sweatlodge with women "on their moon", you couldn't possibly understand what a Devil is talking about.
Women cannot go into a sweat during moon time because they are too spiritually powerful at that time. It is also why they go to the "moontime tent".

Menstrual blood is sacred because of its life giving properties.

[Satan]

Women cannot go into a sweat during moon time because they are too spiritually powerful at that time. It is also why they go to the "moontime tent".

Menstrual blood is sacred because of its life giving properties.

Yeah, I had a feeling you would know about this. I was just going to let Jerksmear marinate in his own ignorance a while.

[jacksmar]

Unlike your racist ass, a Devil actually understands the Native American beliefs regarding women being on their "moon time" (as the menstrual cycle is referred to) and why they are kept seperated from the men, especially when it comes to ceremonial matters. If you have never been in a sweatlodge with women "on their moon", you couldn't possibly understand what a Devil is talking about.

"And why they are kept separated".............so .................separate...............as like, in a a different teepee...................

And unlike your racist, pear shaped, know it all ass..............i couldn't give two shits....................

TARD, we can all accept you sitting in a teepee, fabricating your totem poles with some sweaty men, smoking dope, and whatever else you modern males do..........

Good luck with your moon units and put $50 on 17 Black......................

[jacksmar]

Women cannot go into a sweat during moon time because they are too spiritually powerful at that time. It is also why they go to the "moontime tent".

Menstrual blood is sacred because of its life giving properties.

Yeah.... yeah..............women more powerful...............glass ceiling...............child birth...............we get it..................

[Kristy]

i couldn't give two shits....................

Famous last words you must have also spoken to your 9th grade teacher right before you dropped out of high school.

[Guitar Shark]

I'm left wondering, why can't he give two shits? Even considering his obviously deficient gene pool, it seems like something he could reasonably accomplish.

[jacksmar]

Famous last words you must have also spoken to your 9th grade teacher right before you dropped out of high school.

Mrs Cher, my Cherokee 9th grade teacher and I used to have sex with each other on her favorite bear skin rug. She was in love with a Jewish cowboy in Perth Amboy......

She paid me to let her call me Bucky Goldstein..............

It didn't bother me. In the 9th grade I needed the money and it was a feather in my Yamaka...................

[Kristy]

Well, when one is made out of shit it's theoretically impossible to give one or two pieces of yourself away.

[Kristy]

Mrs Cher, my Cherokee 9th grade teacher and I used to have sex with each other on her favorite bear skin rug. She was in love with a Jewish cowboy in Perth Amboy......

She paid me to let her call me Bucky Goldstein..............

It didn't bother me. In the 9th grade I needed the money and it was a feather in my Yamaka...................

Still Googling insults.

[Nickdfresh]

Maybe he only has one shit? He used the other one earlier?

[jacksmar]

Still Googling insults.

you're no fab shadow................

goggle that.................

[Phil theStalker]

Wot threed iz dis? I dunno.:hitch::hitch::hitch:

How did i git heer? :ohmy:

[ELVIS]

Women cannot go into a sweat during moon time because they are too spiritually powerful at that time.

Whatever, Chief No-Heat...

[Satan]

Nurse Presley could really use a nice hot sweat. I'm thinking somewhere around 40 stones in a medium size lodge would be about right. Right about third round he would be thinking he paid my place a visit.

[ELVIS]

And you can go fuck yourself, FROD...

Eliezabitch Warpaint is a liar, just like yourself...

[Satan]

Yep... a good hot sweat would help you get some of those toxins out of your brain. Of course you will be sweating a lot when you arrive in Hell. But it couldn't hurt to get some of it out of the way before you get here.

[jacksmar]

http://granitegrok.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Zimmerman-WarrenComparison-530x390.png#elizabeth%20warren%20liar%20liar%20pan ts%27%20on%20fire%20530x390

Old As Squat: Another Empty Pants Suit

[ELVIS]

Fixed it...

http://granitegrok.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Zimmerman-WarrenComparison-530x390.png#elizabeth%20warren%20liar%20liar%20pan ts%27%20on%20fire%20530x390

[ELVIS]

Hahahaha...

I like that one...

Let's see if FROD moves it like he did when I posted the same pic...

[ELVIS]

Proof Eliezabitch is an indian...

http://manhattaninfidel.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/cherokee-warrior.jpg
"how"

[jacksmar]

Hahahaha...

I like that one...

Let's see if FROD moves it like he did when I posted the same pic...

it has to be democrat underground to be legit.................

[ELVIS]

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/003195865/2212678468_warren_tonto_answer_1_xlarge.jpeg

"Careful Tonfaux, FROD fucks many farm animals over there."

[Satan]

it has to be democrat underground to be legit.................

What is "democrat underground"?

[jacksmar]

What is the sexual attraction the left has with old broads?

Dame fine stine 2015-1933= 82
Barbwire mulcowski year of the woman 79
Ma'am Boxer 75
Mississippi Queen Shaheen 68
Old As Squat 66
Pat Layhee 75
Debbie Stabmenow 65
Pat Murray 65

That's a party Poise'd and ready to happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.qualityhomecareproducts.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Poise-Hourglass-Bladder-Control-Pads-moderate.jpg

[Satan]

Well, at least they were all born with vaginas. Unlike the right wing's favorite pin up "girl".....

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-rOAbf9SrR78/Ty4VN2dRIcI/AAAAAAAAKJ4/0z2TvGex1Y0/s1600/ann+coulter.jpg

[DONNIEP]

She does have nice hair though...

[ELVIS]

And here's a liberal pinup dyke...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/Rachel_Maddow_in_Seattle.jpg

[Satan]

I'm not sexually attracted to Rachel at all, but I think she's brilliant.

Now on the other horn.......

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/181875/RACHEL-MADDOW-YEARBOOK-PHOTO.jpg

If she had been at St. Lucifer High School back in the day, Hell yeah, I would have hit that. http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/teufel/d065.gif

[ELVIS]

And you think Ann Coulter looks manly and has an Adam's apple ??

[Kristy]

And here's a liberal pinup dyke...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/Rachel_Maddow_in_Seattle.jpg

Is she hoping for the white trash/going bowling and then tagging look?

[ELVIS]

You should know...

He's your hero...

[jacksmar]

The NEW Kenyan Hope : Old As Squat touts racial equality in speech

http://www.bostonherald.com/news_opinion/us_politics/2015/01/elizabeth_warren_touts_racial_equality_in_speech

U.S. Sen. Elizabeth Warren gave a sweeping civil rights address yesterday, warning “we are under attack” in the fight for social justice as she addressed a cheering crowd of civic leaders in a historic black church in Roxbury.

“In the past half-century, our country has made progress. But we are under attack,” Warren told worshipers at the Twelfth Baptist Church, where she was presented a Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Leadership Award.

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Blacks needum YT woman to leadum them to promised land............................

....................................and to teachum rain dance..................................

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk

[Nickdfresh]

12322

[jacksmar]

hey nick, did you notice that Old As Squat and fellow socialist Ward Churchill have the same hairdo?

Aging hippies never die..........They Just Get Chlamydia!!!!!!!!

[Nickdfresh]

No, I didn't. Because I'm not an idiot that obsesses over politicians. Especially when you voted for boy-touchers in your state...

[jacksmar]

nick, do you suppose Old As Squat used that 'down on the plantation' vernacular that really old bitch on steroids MS. Rod Ham used a few years back?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaDQ1vIuvZI

[ELVIS]

Do you feel noways tired, Dickforbreath ??

[FORD]

You mean like an ignorant chimp from Maine pretending he's from Texas?

[ELVIS]

That's in the past...

Get a grip...

[jacksmar]

You mean like an ignorant chimp from Maine pretending he's from Texas?

No, not like a chimp.

More old bitch on steroids like with a touch of the voice of a Southern black man or that pear shaped man she is married to who was the “first black president”.

[FORD]

All I'm saying is that Hillary's fake southern accent was probably inspired by Chimpy's ridiculous faux-Texas twang.

Wouldn't be the first time a Clinton continued a failed BCE policy (see NAFTA, for example)

[Nickdfresh]

Do you feel noways tired, Dickforbreath ??

I don't even know what you mean, welfare boy....

[jacksmar]

All I'm saying is that Hillary's fake southern accent was probably inspired by Chimpy's ridiculous faux-Texas twang.

Wouldn't be the first time a Clinton continued a failed BCE policy (see NAFTA, for example)

Got it..

Another vote for

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/10/ec/1370998912_4539_hillary_clinton.jpg?itok=B9Pa9XqF


A Has Been That Never Was...............

[FORD]

How clueless are you? I think I've made it clear since about 2000 or so what my feelings were about Hillary Goldman Sachs-Clinton as a candidate.

Wouldn't vote for her in 2008. Not gonna vote for her in 2016. Hope there's better options available.

[jacksmar]

How clueless are you? I think I've made it clear since about 2000 or so what my feelings were about Hillary Goldman Sachs-Clinton as a candidate.

Wouldn't vote for her in 2008. Not gonna vote for her in 2016. Hope there's better options available.

I don't think she's running so I may be pretty clueless about her.

She may be polling high but I think her book sales speak volumes...so to speak...

[Nickdfresh]

...I may be pretty clueless about...

That about sums it up :)

[Terry]

How clueless are you? I think I've made it clear since about 2000 or so what my feelings were about Hillary Goldman Sachs-Clinton as a candidate.

Wouldn't vote for her in 2008. Not gonna vote for her in 2016. Hope there's better options available.

Perhaps over 50% of voters who self-identify as being democrats want Hillary to run, the general rationale being that it would avoid a possibly fractious primary coupled with the conventional wisdom that Hillary brings a combination of electability and experience to the ticket.

I don't necessarily think that any of this is true, though. She won two Senate races against two very weak opponents, and it's not like it is such an achievement to win a Senate seat from New York running as a Democrat, anyway. In the 2008 Iowa primary, she came in third behind Obama and Edwards. This result undermined the 'inevitability' one often hears associated with her name. Lest we forget less than a year before that primary Hillary was being characterized as a shoo-in for the nomination.

She has experience, to be sure. From her botched health care reform attempts in the mid-1990s to her Iraq war vote to her Secretary of State tenure (I'm hard-pressed to remember anything memorable or she did in that role - other than rack up frequent-flier miles - or, much like her Senate career, any lasting achievements that resulted from it). So where the much-lauded 'competence' label that is constantly attached to her name comes from is somewhat of a mystery to me.

And I'm not really sure having a virtually uncontested democratic primary, in essence a coronation for Hillary, is a useful thing for the party or Hillary as a candidate. The Clintons of 2014 are a long ways away from the Clintons of 1992. They pay a lot of lip service to progressive issues, but have always come up woefully short on tangible actions to back up their talk when it comes to the interests of working families in this country.

She'd offer nothing bold in terms of initiatives in any arena. About the only thing bold would be having a woman president. And I'm not opposed to a woman being president. Just not THIS woman. Nor am I that enamored with Elizabeth Warren, who is a one-note candidate. It's a note that needs to be heard, granted, but not enough for me to seriously consider Warren for the office.

[jacksmar]

How clueless are you? I think I've made it clear since about 2000 or so what my feelings were about Hillary Goldman Sachs-Clinton as a candidate.

Wouldn't vote for her in 2008. Not gonna vote for her in 2016. Hope there's better options available.

Still, it would be fun to see the fight between Hillary and Old As Squat. The Old As Squat camp is already picking a fight with billionaire backed, commie lib Mayor RIE.

It would be the Bolsheviks vs. the Mensheviks again.

Begs the question: "What's the difference between 2015 Chicago and 1943 Stalingrad? One is a crumbling dangerous city where people are killed daily and there is fighting between two warring factions of intolerant statists. The other is Stalingrad."

[ELVIS]

Or is it...