Have Faith, We’ll Have an Atheist President

[Seshmeister]

I'm not sure I'm convinced but it's a point of view and it's nice and short. :)

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/03/24/the-pulpit-and-the-ballot-box/have-faith-well-have-an-atheist-president-14

Have Faith, We’ll Have an Atheist President
Penn Jillette
UPDATED MARCH 24, 2015, 9:08 AM

I’m an atheist and I’m not running for president. That means my chances of being taken seriously as a presidential candidate are a bit better than Donald Trump’s.

Some of my fellow atheists bemoan that atheism is the final taboo in politics – polls report that America would never elect an atheist president.

Some day there will be a candidate America loves, and the fact that she or he is atheist will matter as much as Kennedy being Catholic.

Because of that, they brag that their favorite candidate (usually Obama or a Clinton) has to lie and say they believe in god and promise that they pray for supernatural guidance in world affairs.

They justify that their heroes are liars because Americans are too stupid and too bigoted to be told the truth. When you celebrate your hero as a liar, you’ve lost the moral high ground.

The Clintons and Obamas swear they believe that their lives and our country are guided by a supreme-being. I take them at their word. If the choice is superstitious straight-shooter or a patronizing liar, I’ll go with honest. At least the supernatural has some rules.

My hero (and not a liar), Christopher Hitchens, once explained to me that we would never have an atheist president, but that we would have a president who was atheist. And yet, America in the 1980s would never have voted for a divorced B-list movie star ... but they voted for Ronald Reagan. The specific wins over the abstract.

Some day there will be an honest woman or man who America will love and want, and the fact that she or he is an atheist will matter as much as Kennedy being a Catholic or Romney being a Mormon (O.K., bad example). For better or worse (and to the libertarian in me, worse) we don’t elect ideas, we elect people.

Maybe Americans are too stupid and bigoted to elect the right person for the job even if he or she is an atheist, but we haven’t run that experiment yet and until we do, I will not take atheists’ condescending guesses on faith. I don’t have faith — I’m an atheist.

I’m not president, but I do a magic show. Teller and I are atheists and our audiences are mostly believers and they don’t care what we don’t believe because we’re the ones they want to see do a magic show. If Americans can take honesty in their magicians, we should give them a chance to accept honesty in their president.

[TFM_Dale]

One nation under God, I hope I don't live to see the day an atheist is president.

[jhale667]

One nation under God, I hope I don't live to see the day an atheist is president.

Are you fucking kidding me? It'd be the best thing that ever happened to the country. Finally someone that didn't have to kowtow to any religious faction, be it Fundagelicals or whatever.



Btw, love ya dude, but "One Nation Under God" is McCarthy-era bullshit...

[TFM_Dale]

Are you fucking kidding me? It'd be the best thing that ever happened to the country. Finally someone that didn't have to kowtow to any religious faction, be it Fundagelicals or whatever.

I have my beliefs and you have yours my friend. I respect yours and understand what you are saying, I just feel that God is being pushed out of everything and the morals of this country suffer for it. I know this isn't the site to give a sermon and I won't be doing so, I just feel atheists have it all wrong just as they feel Christians have it all wrong.

[jhale667]

I have my beliefs and you have yours my friend. I respect yours and understand what you are saying, I just feel that God is being pushed out of everything and the morals of this country suffer for it. I know this isn't the site to give a sermon and I won't be doing so, I just feel atheists have it all wrong just as they feel Christians have it all wrong.

Just realize that my beliefs can be supported by facts and logic, and your assertion that religion has anything to do with morality, or that an atheist is somehow unfit to govern, are false and can't be argued logically. In fact to say that morals depend on faith is one of the flimsiest arguments ever. Not even going to argue it with you - just think about it or YOURSELF for a moment and that argument will fall apart.



:guitar:

[TFM_Dale]

Just realize that my beliefs can be supported by facts and logic, and your assertion that religion has anything to do with morality, or that an atheist is somehow unfit to govern, are false and can't be argued logically. In fact to say that morals depend on faith is one of the flimsiest arguments ever. Not even going to argue it with you - just think about it or YOURSELF for a moment and that argument will fall apart.



:guitar:

Oh I know ALOT of people have used religion as a cloak for some really evil shit. I know it is a popular practice to dismiss religion with science here but considering a lot of science is "proven" with theories it hardly makes it a fact. I respect your beliefs and nothing posted on a message board will change mine.

[jhale667]

Oh I know ALOT of people have used religion as a cloak for some really evil shit. I know it is a popular practice to dismiss religion with science here but considering a lot of science is "proven" with theories it hardly makes it a fact. I respect your beliefs and nothing posted on a message board will change mine.

I'd say ponder this only then - How is it to suggest that the only thing that keeps YOU from being an immoral psychotic savage is belief in a book "written" by (illiterate) nomadic sheep herders that didn't know bats weren't birds not to do yourself a great disservice?

[TFM_Dale]

It isn't the only thing that keeps me from being a savage, I also have common sense ;)
Religion alone obviously can't fix society just as science can't. They used to electroshock the mentally ill and give them labotomies, these methods were proven to be ineffective and cruel. That doesn't mean science or doctors are always wrong though, it means nobody knows everything. Science doesn't have all the answers just as Religion doesn't. I want everybody to believe whatever they choose, if I hear of you struggling or being sick I'll say a prayer for you. All I want in return is some well wishes from you if the same happens to me. I'm not here to try and change anyone's beliefs.

[Nitro Express]

I'd say ponder this only then - How is it to suggest that the only thing that keeps YOU from being an immoral psychotic savage is belief in a book "written" by (illiterate) nomadic sheep herders that didn't know bats weren't birds not to do yourself a great disservice?

Actually the Bible was put together by the Roman Empire. Emperor Constantine started a new Christian religion. he needed scripture for it. The Council of Nicea met and hashed it out. Nobody knows who wrote a lot of what went into the bible. They could have been smoking some wacky tobaccy in Nicea and made a lot up.

[vandeleur]

Dude you told me you had a signed copy :D

[vandeleur]

Am trying to keep up with your presidents , you have the one who sings the Taylor swift song . Then the shagger. And then then the one who worked for the Saudi's with his dad.

[Seshmeister]

It isn't the only thing that keeps me from being a savage, I also have common sense ;)
Religion alone obviously can't fix society just as science can't. They used to electroshock the mentally ill and give them labotomies, these methods were proven to be ineffective and cruel. That doesn't mean science or doctors are always wrong though, it means nobody knows everything.

That's a great example.
The big difference is that when it was proven to be ineffective or unpredictable they stopped doing electroshock. It was deemed immoral to do lobotomies but not from a religious morality. They did most of them in the 1950s when 'One nation under god' was coined. There is no similar mechanism in religions to change due to facts or evidence so they just carry on being ineffective and cruel for thousands of years.

[ELVIS]

Have Faith, We’ll Have an Atheist President


What an oxymoron...

[ELVIS]

I just feel atheists have it all wrong just as they feel Christians have it all wrong.

And most do...

We've all been deceived...

But Jesus Christ is the still point in the turning world and in Him is found truth...

The ONLY truth...

[kwame k]

With the bible belt being an influence that it is and now they're talking about adding Georgia, Texas and six other evangelical states the day after Iowa's primary, pandering to the religious right has taken on a new meaning!

I think you should be able to believe anything you want or nothing at all! The most qualified person should win regardless of their beliefs! There has already been Deists and atheists as presidents! So it wouldn't a first!

[DONNIEP]

Separation of Church and State? Hell no! That ain't what Jesus intended! And here's my video proof!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV4iVa2gpG4

See - you can't deny that! Well, not unless you're one of them 9/11 truthers that believes in magic hologram planes and robots and the Moon Landing. Or Scientology. Those Scientologists are Devilly!

[kwame k]

Remember this nation was founded on the Christian religion :lmao:

Said no Founding Father, ever!

[ELVIS]

Then why do you say it ??

[DONNIEP]

Remember this nation was founded on the Christian religion :lmao:

Said no Founding Father, ever!

Kirk Cameron did not die upon the cross for you to spout that mess at me! You need to read your scriptures. It plainly says that Jesus gave America to the White People because the Injuns weren't doin' such a good job with the environment. They was killin all the Buffalos and settin up casinos (which are Devilly!) all over the place. So He parted the Atlantic Ocean and we walked all the way across from White Landia to America, led by Charleton Heston Hisself! And that's why America is Number One!!

[kwame k]

Then why do you say it ??

To mock you for believing it :yo:

[DONNIEP]

To mock you for believing it :yo:

You won't be mocking anybody when Zombie Times comes! That's right - it's all in the secret code in the Bible! But you gots to be predestined to unlock it!

[ELVIS]

To mock you for believing it :yo:

I don't say or believe that...

That's what you think...

[kwame k]

So that whole thing we did where you demanded I prove to you that the Founders were for separation of church and state........never happened :headlights:

[DONNIEP]

So that whole thing we did where you demanded I prove to you that the Founders were for separation of church and state........never happened :headlights:

I'd move to Vatican City where the Church is the State, if it wasn't for all those Catholics running around the place...

[kwame k]

You could move to Iran or Saudi Arabia, too! Two great examples of how combining church and state works out!

[dazzlindino]

And most do...

We've all been deceived...

But Jesus Christ is the still point in the turning world and in Him is found truth...

The ONLY truth...


so says "the book" written by middle eastern mental midgets....and consolidated by a roman ruler.....

[DONNIEP]

You could move to Iran or Saudi Arabia, too! Two great examples of how combining church and state works out!

Hell no! They'd cut my head off as soon as I got off the plane. Plus there's no booze there. Or strip clubs. Which, in the case of those living in The Kingdom, kinda takes all the fun out of being rich.

But Iran? Hell yeah! They're a beacon of freedom and forward thinking! America's greatest ally in an ever changing world - Iran. Death to America!

[kwame k]

I just thank Allah everyday we have a Muslim President :hail:

[ELVIS]

so says "the book" written by middle eastern mental midgets....and consolidated by a roman ruler.....

Mental midgets, eh ??

Think what you want...

[ELVIS]

So that whole thing we did where you demanded I prove to you that the Founders were for separation of church and state........never happened :headlights:

You don't even know what that means...

[DONNIEP]

I just thank Allah everyday we have a Muslim President :hail:

I thought he was a Communist? That's like an Amish Buddhist - they don't exist. Make believe - like honest white cops.

[dazzlindino]

You don't even know what that means...


.......but you do.............what the f ever.....

[dazzlindino]

Mental midgets, eh ??

Think what you want...

so if this jesus "character" showed up today in the mess...that is the mideast...
you would believe.....:rolleyes:

[kwame k]

You don't even know what that means...

Sure.......I guess the big words trip you up ;)

"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.”-Thomas Jefferson

[dazzlindino]

Sure.......I guess the big words trip you up ;)

"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.”-Thomas Jefferson



badda boom....

[kwame k]

I thought he was a Communist? That's like an Amish Buddhist - they don't exist. Make believe - like honest white cops.

He's a Socialist, Communist, istismist that is a super secret Muslim hell bent to not take away your guns so he can take them in his second term........geez, keep up will ya!

[ELVIS]

"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.”-Thomas Jefferson

So, Jefferson was an unbeliever...

Big deal...

[lesfunk]

He just takes away the ability to buy ammo

[DONNIEP]

so if the jesus showed up today in the mess...that is the mideast....
you would believe.....:rolleyes:

Jesus is gonna come back riding on the back of a bad ass horse, lookin like The Death Dealer from the Molly Hatchet album cover and he's gonna have this blaring out of a jam box tied to the back of his saddle:


http://youtu.be/kyXz6eMCj2k

Then The South is gonna rise again!

[dazzlindino]

So, Jefferson was an unbeliever...

Big deal...


Elvira...when you get to heaven.....how long is the line to hold Jesus' hand for eternity.....

[ELVIS]

There's a line to hold jesus' hand ??

[kwame k]

So, Jefferson was an unbeliever...

Big deal...

"As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?" -John Adams

[ELVIS]

I can post quotes as well...

"Religion, as well as reason, confirms the soundness of those principles on which our government has been founded and its rights asserted." – Thomas Jefferson to P. H. Wendover - 1815

[kwame k]

"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved-- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!"-John Adams

[ELVIS]

He just takes away the ability to buy ammo

No, that's an over reaching government...

[kwame k]

"The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole cartloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in Christianity." -John Adams

[ELVIS]

"I have examined all religions, and the result is that the Bible is the best book in the world."

John Quincy Adams

[dazzlindino]

1 Thessalonians 4:16, 17, “[The Lord] will descend from heaven and those dead in Christ will be resurrected first. Afterward, we the living [at his Parousia] will be raptured in clouds at the same time together with them to meet the Lord in the atmospheric heavens. And thus we shall always be together hand in hand with the Lord.”

[DONNIEP]

"I can never tell if those guys are trying to convince each other or themselves." DONNIEP, 2017

[ELVIS]

In the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior. The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity.

John Quincy Adams

[kwame k]

"One of the amendments to the Constitution... expressly declares that 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press,' thereby guarding in the same sentence and under the same words, the freedom of religion, of speech, and of the press; insomuch that whatever violates either throws down the sanctuary which covers the others." --Thomas Jefferson

[ELVIS]

1 Thessalonians 4:16, 17, “[The Lord] will descend from heaven and those dead in Christ will be resurrected first. Afterward, we the living [at his Parousia] will be raptured in clouds at the same time together with them to meet the Lord in the atmospheric heavens. And thus we shall always be together hand in hand with the Lord.”

That's total bull...

That's not Scripture...

[kwame k]

In the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior. The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity.

John Quincy Adams

Wasn't a Founder but the son of a Founder.........thanks for playing, though :yo:

[ELVIS]

The great, vital, and conservative element in our system is the belief of our people in the pure doctrines and the divine truths of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Congress 1854

[ELVIS]

Rendering thanks to my Creator for my existence and station among His works, for my birth in a country enlightened by the Gospel and enjoying freedom, and for all His other kindnesses, to Him I resign myself, humbly confiding in His goodness and in His mercy through Jesus Christ for the events of eternity.

John Dickinson

[ELVIS]

As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and His religion as He left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see.

Benjamin Franklin

[kwame k]

"Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by the difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be depreciated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society." -George Washington

[DONNIEP]

"God is gooder than hell!" Early Cuyler

[FORD]

Mental midgets, eh ??

Think what you want...

Perhaps not, for the times they lived in, where human kind had neither the knowledge, nor the tools necessary for gaining further knowledge, that we have now. The people of those times didn't believe the earth was flat out of stupidity, but rather because they had no reference point to prove it was round (just for one example)

[ELVIS]

It is very evident that both the prophets in the Old Testament and the apostles in the New are at great pains to give us a view of the glory and dignity of the person of Christ. With what magnificent titles is He adorned! What glorious attributes are ascribed to him!… All these conspire to teach us that He is truly and properly God – God over all, blessed forever!

John Witherspoon

[kwame k]

As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and His religion as He left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see.

Benjamin Franklin

". . . Some books against Deism fell into my hands. . . It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist." Ben Franklin

[ELVIS]

The Christian religion – its general principles – must ever be regarded among us as the foundation of civil society.

Daniel Webster

[FORD]

As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the system of morals and His religion as He left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see.

Benjamin Franklin

I agree with Ben on that point. But the key phrase there is "...as He left them to us". And the modern right wing church resembles Christ's teachings about as much as "How Do I Know When It's Cheese" resembles "Atomic Punk". It may be labeled as the same thing, but clearly not at all to anybody with enough brains to know the difference.

[FORD]

The Christian religion – its general principles – must ever be regarded among us as the foundation of civil society.

Daniel Webster


Daniel Webster? Wasn't he famous for selling his soul to -----> :devildance:

[kwame k]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;............

Thank Buddha, that the Founders were smart enough to protect us from zealots who'd want to force a Christian version of Sharia law upon us!

[DONNIEP]

Jesus has returned!


http://youtu.be/plGKTnCqiVo

[FORD]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;............

Thank Buddha, that the Founders were smart enough to protect us from zealots who'd want to force a Christian version of Sharia law upon us!

And yet the inbred fucks in Indiana are doing exactly that. Not to mention the "shoot the Sodomites in the head" bill that a teabagger lawyer is trying to get on the California ballot. Not that it would ever pass there, of course. But just anybody writing such a thing is disturbing enough.

[ELVIS]

I can feel the love flowing from your heart...

[ELVIS]

Thank Buddha

My dogma eats your karma...

[Seshmeister]

Very timely book by a history professor.

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How 'One Nation' Didn't Become 'Under God' Until The '50s Religious Revival
MARCH 30, 2015 3:29 PM ET

One Nation Under God
How Corporate America Invented Christian America
by Kevin M. Kruse


http://media.npr.org/assets/bakertaylor/covers/o/one-nation-under-god/9780465049493_custom-6f200a7902f45d0e34c475aa3fb32fbf0235d63a-s400-c85.jpg

The words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance and the phrase "In God we trust" on the back of a dollar bill haven't been there as long as most Americans might think. Those references were inserted in the 1950s during the Eisenhower administration, the same decade that the National Prayer Breakfast was launched, according to writer Kevin Kruse. His new book is One Nation Under God.

In the original Pledge of Allegiance, Francis Bellamy made no mention of God, Kruse says. Bellamy was Christian socialist, a Baptist who believed in the separation of church and state.

"As this new religious revival is sweeping the country and taking on new political tones, the phrase 'one nation under God' seizes the national imagination," Kruse tells Fresh Air's Terry Gross. "It starts with a proposal by the Knights of Columbus, the Catholic lay organization, to add the phrase 'under God' to the Pledge of Allegiance. Their initial campaign doesn't go anywhere but once Eisenhower's own pastor endorses it ... it catches fire."

Kruse's book investigates how the idea of America as a Christian nation was promoted in the 1930s and '40s when industrialists and business lobbies, chafing against the government regulations of the New Deal, recruited and funded conservative clergy to preach faith, freedom and free enterprise. He says this conflation of Christianity and capitalism moved to center stage in the '50s under Eisenhower's watch.

"According to the conventional narrative, the Soviet Union discovered the bomb and the United States rediscovered God," Kruse says. "In order to push back against the atheistic communism of the Soviet Union, Americans re-embraced a religious identity. That plays a small role here, but ... there's actually a longer arc. That Cold War consensus actually helps to paper over a couple decades of internal political struggles in the United States. If you look at the architects of this language ... the state power that they're worried most about is not the Soviet regime in Moscow, but rather the New Deal and Fair Deal administrations in Washington, D.C."

[ELVIS]

Whatever dude...

That has nothing to do with nothing...

Just stay over there in Nannyville...

[Seshmeister]

I always wondered where the link between the right and Christianity in the US came from - this new American book argues the corporations bought a bunch of preachers.

It's interesting.

[ELVIS]

Good...

Keep reading it...

You can add it to your list of nothingness...

[lesfunk]

Muslims are killing, raping, burning, plundering, selling into Slavery Jews,Christans, Buddhists, atheists, homos, heteros,even other Muslims RIGHT NOW, TODAY as I type... yet Christianity is the problem?
Fucking retards

[DONNIEP]

Muslims are killing, raping, burning, plundering, selling into Slavery Jews,Christans, Buddhists, atheists, homos, heteros,even other Muslims RIGHT NOW, TODAY as I type... yet Christianity is the problem?
Fucking retards

And white people. Don't forget the white people.

[lesfunk]

They don't count. They're evil. They deserve to die

[ELVIS]

It's interesting.

I know an interesting book that you need...

Demonology and Deliverance by Lester Sumrall...

[Seshmeister]

I haven't played Dungeons and Dragons since I was 13.

[ELVIS]

Fucking retards

No truer words...

[dazzlindino]

Perhaps not, for the times they lived in, where human kind had neither the knowledge, nor the tools necessary for gaining further knowledge, that we have now. The people of those times didn't believe the earth was flat out of stupidity, but rather because they had no reference point to prove it was round (just for one example)

that's total b.s. ...just because one group decides to "make a government / religion" and try to force on others to follow doesn't make them high i.q. ...

[dazzlindino]

Muslims are killing, raping, burning, plundering, selling into Slavery Jews,Christans, Buddhists, atheists, homos, heteros,even other Muslims RIGHT NOW, TODAY as I type... yet Christianity is the problem?
Fucking retards


ford does not allow muslim comments.....

[ELVIS]

:biggrin:

[dazzlindino]

That's total bull...

That's not Scripture...

so now you are an expert on every single "version" of the bibble.....strange that there any versions actually...that should tell you something right there.....

[ELVIS]

The great, vital, and conservative element in our system is the belief of our people in the pure doctrines and the divine truths of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Congress 1854

I like that one...

[ELVIS]

so now you are an expert on every single "version" of the bibble....

No, but I've studied the so called pre tribulation and post tribulation rapture and I believe it to be nonsense that divides His people...

I'm planning, hoping and praying by God's mercy to go up when He comes...

I don't know when that is and I'm not worried about it...

I'm more worried about souls going to Hell and establishing God's Kingdom here on earth...

[Seshmeister]

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/startrek/images/b/bb/Tribble.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20060913110125


"Captain I believe we are now post tribblation rapture"

[vandeleur]

Hahaha

[ELVIS]

And then some of us grew up...

[FORD]

Thom Hartmann was referencing that book that Sesh mentioned about the origins of the religious reich. I knew all about the Fallwell/Robertson/Weyrich types who conspired to get Reagan & the BCE elected in 1980 (running against a President who was actually a Christian, no less.

But I didn't realize Billy Graham was so embedded in the right wing/corporatist/BCE establishment until now. I used to have a lot of respect for him (though admittedly when my church bought my way into a Billy Graham concert in the 80s, me and Billy Z used it as an opportunity to pick up chicks. (Hope I don't go to Hell for that)

[ELVIS]

Thom Hartmann

That's enough...

Next post...

[ELVIS]

(Hope I don't go to Hell for that)

Maybe you should start looking into what does actually get you to Hell...

[Seshmeister]

Thom Hartmann was referencing that book that Sesh mentioned about the origins of the religious reich. I knew all about the Fallwell/Robertson/Weyrich types who conspired to get Reagan & the BCE elected in 1980 (running against a President who was actually a Christian, no less.


Did you listen to the audio interview above yet?

[Seshmeister]

Maybe you should start looking into what does actually get you to Hell...

You're a middle aged man FFS grow up.

[ELVIS]

I'm the whole man in Christ Jesus...

You don't believe in Christ and you know nothing about being spirit filled...

That doesn't mean it's not true...

It's hidden behind a veil that's off limits to people in your current state...

[Angel]

I'm the whole man in Christ Jesus...

You don't believe in Christ and you know nothing about being spirit filled...

That doesn't mean it's not true...

It's hidden behind a veil that's off limits to people in your current state...

Holy fuck...the most spiritual people I know are not Christians. Talk about hidden behind a veil in your current state...


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[katina]

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/startrek/images/b/bb/Tribble.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20060913110125


"Captain I believe we are now post tribblation rapture"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ6LC-olw9Q

[cadaverdog]

Maybe Americans are too stupid and bigoted to elect the right person for the job even if he or she is an atheist, but we haven’t run that experiment yet and until we do, I will not take atheists’ condescending guesses on faith. I don’t have faith — I’m an atheist.



Americans don't have much of a choice in who gets elected because of the two party system. Depending on whose turn it is to win the other party does their damndest to trot out an unelectable candidate. The independant candidate is just there to syphon votes away from the predetermined loser.

[hain23x]

I would worry more about a candidate saying "God told me to run" than I would w a person who says " I don't believe in God"