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Seshmeister
05-24-2016, 09:48 AM
Is Your Rental Car Company Spying on You and Your Driving? Here's How They Do It

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NEW YORK (MainStreet) — Rental car giant Hertz has admitted it has cameras installed in about one in eight of its cars in the United States. But those cameras - built into Hertz’s NeverLost dashboard assistant that offers routing help and local city guides - have never been turned on, Hertz has said, loudly and repeatedly. Understand that NeverLost 6 was launched by Hertz in early 2014 - the product has been out there over a year - and only now is it causing a flap, probably because more renters began noticing a creepy camera pointed at them.

Understand too: there are excellent reasons to worry about car rental companies spying on drivers but, very probably, NeverLost 6 is not one of them. Hertz had said it lacked the bandwidth to use the cameras anyway but it has been scorched so severely in the media flap of the past weeks that industry experts indicated that Hertz now would be just about the last company to spy on customers. But there are many others that do.

Fact: most rental cars are equipped with navigation and GPS systems. Are they used against drivers? Well, yes and no. The yes part is that, starting around a dozen years ago, newspapers were filled with sad stories of rental car customers “fined” hundreds - sometimes thousands - of dollars for violating the terms of their contracts. How? In one celebrated case, Acme Rent-a-Car of New Haven fined a particular customer $450 ($150 per incident) for exceeding posted speed limits. The customer had not received traffic citations. And the customer sued. The judge ruled against Acme. He did not dispute the right to track. But he said there was insufficient “notification” to make the fines justified.

In another famous case a Payless customer expected a bill for $259.51. He was instead slapped with a bill for $3,405.05, which was reached by adding a $1 per mile to each of the 2,874 miles he had driven, because he had crossed the California state line into Nevada and, later, he drove into Arizona. That triggered the fines, because the contract prohibited leaving the state.

In many more cases, numerous Florida car rental companies are notorious for literally shutting off engines of cars that cross state lines. The cars may be restarted upon agreement to pay new fees.

Is this legal? Neil Abrams, a car rental consultant in Purchase, N.Y., said, “It is legal as long as it disclosed.” As the Acme case illustrated, however, disclosure has to be loud and in a renter’s face. Fine print footnotes buried in a multi page contract may not be good enough for many courts.

What’s more, Abrams said that from his seat, use of tracking was much more prevalent a few years ago, perhaps because companies were exploring the limits of new technologies. “It was more true a few years ago," said Abrams. "There was a spotlight on it. It’s much less frequent now.” As customer anger grew - and negative newspaper stories multiplied - the big, national companies cut way back on use of tracking tools.

Case in point: Enterprise Rent-a-Car, in response to a reporter's question, issued a flat denial: “We do not install cameras in our vehicles. Enterprise Rent-A-Car, National Car Rental and Alamo Rent A Car passenger vehicles come equipped with only standard technology, as provided by automobile manufacturers. For example, some of our GM vehicles are equipped with OnStar technology – however, we can’t access the technology without an official police report (to document that a vehicle is lost or missing).”

Other big players have similar policies.

But driver tracking still happens at small, independent companies, Abrams said.

A primary reason: those companies, said industry experts, are very concerned about stolen cars, and, honestly, it is not that hard to walk up to a car rental counter, present a decent counterfeit driver’s license and a stolen credit card and drive off in a $30,000 Toyota Camry that can be sold for cash at the nearest chop shop. Rental companies in Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, and California have the added problem of the Mexican border.

Small companies also are very concerned about vehicle abuse - hard driving off-road, for instance, or significant speeding. Built-in monitoring technology gives them an early warning that bad things are happening to their asset and they may be able to cut their losses.

The upshot: many companies use tracking devices that are programmed to send alerts only upon occurrence of particular trigger events such as crossing a state line or an international border, said experts. The technology, insisted Abrams, “is not used to track where people go,” which is to say, it involves no obvious privacy concerns. “It's there to keep people from going where they shouldn’t.”

But that’s at the national chains. At the mom and pop independents, apparently anything goes. Renter beware.

Word of advice: when renting at an independent, always ask at the counter how and what they track. Pay close attention. Those few seconds can spare you big agony later.

Kristy
05-24-2016, 10:41 AM
Listening to Bill Burr once again eh, slave SESH? So original you are going all Elvis here. No one here ever rents a car due to being chronically unemployed, autistic or both.

ZahZoo
05-24-2016, 11:17 AM
The whole realm of "privacy" and what is tracked, watched, captured and then what happens to this information/data is a quickly changing space.

The IOT (Internet of Things) with connectivity and 24/7 monitoring of all kinds of appliances and everyday devices will be opening all kinds of privacy issues... not to mention new levels of paranoia for those that worry about someone watching them or using their information without their knowledge.

vandeleur
05-24-2016, 01:06 PM
We recently bought this new piece of kit had it fitted to our fleet. It's front end is basically a Google Earth view of your vehicles down to street level in real time . But the mi part of it has a route replay that tells you how fast vehicles moved , how fast corners were taken , how heavy vehicles breaked and has a full route replay of a day's drive . It actually scores a drive red ,green or Amber.
When we got it I did think fuck I bet insurance companies and even car hire companies would like this in their vehicles .
It won't be long before you have it your car as standard.

Just saying :)

twonabomber
05-24-2016, 01:38 PM
All that data can be pulled from the diagnostics port. A $15 Bluetooth adapter and a free Android app will give you all the gauges you want. Transmission temp, boost/vacuum...add in your phone or tablet's GPS and you have 0-60 time, lateral acceleration, and trip meters.

vandeleur
05-24-2016, 01:42 PM
We spent more than 15 dollars lol ..... But you can see that companies like car rental could use the information to their advantage.

Seshmeister
05-24-2016, 03:39 PM
We recently bought this new piece of kit had it fitted to our fleet. It's front end is basically a Google Earth view of your vehicles down to street level in real time . But the mi part of it has a route replay that tells you how fast vehicles moved , how fast corners were taken , how heavy vehicles breaked and has a full route replay of a day's drive . It actually scores a drive red ,green or Amber.
When we got it I did think fuck I bet insurance companies and even car hire companies would like this in their vehicles .
It won't be long before you have it your car as standard.

Just saying :)

It must be totally shit working as a driver these days.

vandeleur
05-24-2016, 03:57 PM
It must be totally shit working as a driver these days.

Or you're safer on the road cos they don't drive like they don't give a fuck :D

ZahZoo
05-24-2016, 04:48 PM
All that data can be pulled from the diagnostics port. A $15 Bluetooth adapter and a free Android app will give you all the gauges you want. Transmission temp, boost/vacuum...add in your phone or tablet's GPS and you have 0-60 time, lateral acceleration, and trip meters.

What's a good adapter and app... say for a Chevy truck?

twonabomber
05-24-2016, 05:25 PM
Torque is the app I use in my SRT. Free works okay, but the paid app allows you to pull the fault codes, and clear them too. I also have an OBD scanner I picked up at Harbor Freight that clears the codes.

Find a highly rated adapter on eBay. One of my co-workers bought one and said it didn't work, I tried it in the SRT and the Wrangler and it worked fine. She had the seller ship a new one, and that one worked okay. She's got a GMC Sierra, maybe an '11.

Here it is on eBay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wireless-ELM327-OBD2-OBDII-Bluetooth-Car-Auto-Scan-Scanner-TORQUE-ANDROID-NEW-/261446929281?hash=item3cdf738b81:g:t5EAAMXQGcNSF~p 6&item=261446929281&vxp=mtr

Seshmeister
05-24-2016, 07:20 PM
Listening to Bill Burr once again eh, slave SESH?

How would you know that if you hadn't too?

The other story I picked up on today elsewhere was about a guy who would collect earthworms from his garden, wash them and then freeze them.

He would then stick them down the eye of his penis and then when they re-animated from his body heat, their wriggling really got him off.

I decided to lead with the spy hirecar story instead... :)

Kristy
05-24-2016, 07:39 PM
Fuck you, censor.

Seshmeister
05-24-2016, 10:38 PM
Fuck you, censor.

Shitty spelling, it's sensei.

twonabomber
05-25-2016, 10:58 AM
Or for those of us who are electronically inclined, sensor.

vandeleur
05-25-2016, 11:05 AM
Or for those of us who are electronically inclined, sensor.
I have been alcoholicly inclined, senseless .

twonabomber
05-25-2016, 11:56 AM
Senser?

twonabomber
05-25-2016, 11:56 AM
Cents, or?

twonabomber
05-25-2016, 11:56 AM
Scentser?

vandeleur
05-25-2016, 05:07 PM
Typical of a limey.

Why thank you :)

DONNIEP
05-25-2016, 09:47 PM
Hmm..phantom posts being quoted. Yep, I'm either waaayyyy drunker than I thought or this is the Twilight Zone.