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Seshmeister
06-01-2016, 06:02 PM
Ooof!


Clinton Might Not Be the Nominee



http://www.wsj.com/articles/clinton-might-not-be-the-nominee-1464733898

There is now more than a theoretical chance that Hillary Clinton may not be the Democratic nominee for president.

How could that happen, given that her nomination has been considered a sure thing by virtually everyone in the media and in the party itself? Consider the possibilities.

The inevitability behind Mrs. Clinton’s nomination will be in large measure eviscerated if she loses the June 7 California primary to Bernie Sanders. That could well happen.
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Hoover Institution Research Fellow Bill Whalen on the latest Golden State poll and the implications for next week's presidential primary. Photo credit: Getty Images.

A recent PPIC poll shows Mrs. Clinton with a 2% lead over Mr. Sanders, and a Fox News survey found the same result. Even a narrow win would give him 250 pledged delegates or more—a significant boost. California is clearly trending to Mr. Sanders, and the experience in recent open primaries has been that the Vermont senator tends to underperform in pre-election surveys and over-perform on primary and caucus days, thanks to the participation of new registrants and young voters.

To this end, data from mid-May show that there were nearly 1.5 million newly registered Democratic voters in California since Jan. 1. That’s a 218% increase in Democratic voter registrations compared with the same period in 2012, a strongly encouraging sign for Mr. Sanders.

A Sanders win in California would powerfully underscore Mrs. Clinton’s weakness as a candidate in the general election. Democratic superdelegates—chosen by the party establishment and overwhelmingly backing Mrs. Clinton, 543-44—would seriously question whether they should continue to stand behind her candidacy.

There is every reason to believe that at the convention Mr. Sanders will offer a rules change requiring superdelegates to vote for the candidate who won their state’s primary or caucus. A vote on that proposed change would almost certainly occur—and it would function as a referendum on the Clinton candidacy. If Mr. Sanders wins California, Montana and North Dakota on Tuesday and stays competitive in New Jersey, he could well be within 200 pledged delegates of Mrs. Clinton, making a vote in favor of the rules change on superdelegates more likely.

Another problem: In recent weeks the perception that Mrs. Clinton would be the strongest candidate against Donald Trump has evaporated. The Real Clear Politics polling average has Mrs. Clinton in a statistical tie with Mr. Trump, and recent surveys from ABC News/Washington Post and Fox News show her two and three points behind him, respectively.

Then there is that other crack in the argument for Mrs. Clinton’s inevitability: Bernie Sanders consistently runs stronger than she does against Mr. Trump nationally, beating him by about 10 points in a number of recent surveys.

The worries about Mr. Sanders’s strength have stirred the beginnings of a capitulation to him—by the Clinton camp, in league with the Democratic National Committee—at the convention. To placate him, they have already granted Mr. Sanders greater influence over the party platform. Two divisive figures, Cornel West and Rep. Keith Ellison, have been added to the platform committee, ensuring that the party will be pulled further left. In addition to putting Mr. Sanders’s socialist nostrums on display, the platform negotiations are likely to spur an ugly fight over the U.S. relationship with Israel.

Mrs. Clinton also faces growing legal problems. The State Department inspector general’s recent report on Mrs. Clinton’s use of a private email server while she was secretary of state made it abundantly clear that she broke rules and has been far from forthright in her public statements. The damning findings buttressed concerns within the party that Mrs. Clinton and her aides may not get through the government’s investigation without a finding of culpability somewhere.

With Mrs. Clinton reportedly soon to be interviewed by the FBI, suggesting that the investigation is winding up, a definitive ruling by the attorney general could be issued before the July 25 Democratic convention in Philadelphia. Given the inspector general’s report, a clean bill of health from the Justice Department is unlikely.

Finally, with Mrs. Clinton’s negative rating nearly as high as Donald Trump’s, and with voters not trusting her by a ratio of 4 to 1, Democrats face an unnerving possibility. Only a month or two ago, they were relishing the prospect of a chaotic Republican convention, with a floor fight and antiestablishment rebellion in the air. Now the messy, disastrous convention could be their own.

There are increasing rumblings within the party about how a new candidate could emerge at the convention. John Kerry, the 2004 nominee, is one possibility. But the most likely scenario is that Vice President Joe Biden—who has said that he regrets “every day” his decision not to run—enters the race.

Mr. Biden would be cast as the white knight rescuing the party, and the nation, from a possible Trump presidency. To win over Sanders supporters, he would likely choose as his running mate someone like Sen. Elizabeth Warren who is respected by the party’s left wing.

Where is President Obama in all this? So far he has largely stayed out of the campaign, other than to say that he doesn’t believe Mrs. Clinton compromised national security with her home-brew email server. But with her poll numbers dropping, her legal headaches increasing, the Sanders candidacy showing renewed vigor, and Donald Trump looming as a wrecking ball for the president’s legacy, Mr. Obama and adviser Valerie Jarrett might begin sending signals to the Democratic National Committee and to the vice president that a Biden rescue operation wouldn’t displease the White House.

All of these remain merely possibilities. But it is easier now than ever to imagine a scenario in which Hillary Clinton—whether by dint of legal or political circumstances—is not the Democratic presidential nominee.

Mr. Schoen served as a political adviser and pollster for President Bill Clinton, 1994-2000.

Satan
06-01-2016, 07:03 PM
Bottom line is that Hillcunt has a very serious problem defeating Drumpf in the General Election even without her legal issues. Bernie is a much better candidate. If the "Democratic" establishment insists on forcing the weakest possible nominee - as they did with Judas IsKerryot in 2004, then they deserve what they get as a result, which will include many of the so-called "superdelegates" losing their own jobs.

If repeating the 2004 strategy is awful, repeating the 1968 strategy is even worse, and Joe Biden is old enough to remember how that worked out. I doubt he has any interest in being the Hubert Humphrey of 2016.

The only sane outcome is for the superdelegates to tell the Clintons to fuck off and die, and line up behind Bernie, which will seem like the only logical option after he wins California.

Nitro Express
06-01-2016, 10:02 PM
Hillary should be in prison. Bernie hit the road and won his votes and everyone knows Bernie should be the nominee but I guess we are going to see how crooked the Democrat Party establishment is. Rumor is they have Joe Biden on reserve to run. Plus Obama hates Hillary. He's in a position he can put her in prison. Too good to pass up. If Hillary can't beat Trump which is the way it's looking they will throw her under the bus and they don't want Bernie, he will take the punch bowl away and spoil the party.

Nitro Express
06-01-2016, 10:11 PM
Bottom line is that Hillcunt has a very serious problem defeating Drumpf in the General Election even without her legal issues. Bernie is a much better candidate. If the "Democratic" establishment insists on forcing the weakest possible nominee - as they did with Judas IsKerryot in 2004, then they deserve what they get as a result, which will include many of the so-called "superdelegates" losing their own jobs.

If repeating the 2004 strategy is awful, repeating the 1968 strategy is even worse, and Joe Biden is old enough to remember how that worked out. I doubt he has any interest in being the Hubert Humphrey of 2016.

The only sane outcome is for the superdelegates to tell the Clintons to fuck off and die, and line up behind Bernie, which will seem like the only logical option after he wins California.

Both the Republican and Democrat Parties want the Wall Street perks. These parties used to differ but now it's all Goldman Sachs. The Republican establishment would be fine with Hillary in the White House. The establishment doesn't want Bernie and they probably have given the man every bribe they could think of and it seems like you can't buy Bernie and you can't bully him. They don't know what to do Bernie wasn't part of the big plan. They wanted Jeb and Hillary to face off and then Jeb would probably lose and Hillary becomes president and everyone on the inside game gets what they want. They never saw Trump or Bernie coming.

Nitro Express
06-01-2016, 10:14 PM
Hillary is like Jeb. It doesn't matter how much money you have, you still can't polish a turd.

Satan
06-01-2016, 10:24 PM
I'm actually leaning towards believing the rumor that Trump only ran because the Clintons asked him to. He wasn't even necessarily supposed to be the Repuke nominee, he was just supposed to knock Jeb out of the way.....

http://trofire.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Trump-Hillary-Bill.jpg

Trump isn't even running as a serious candidate. He's literally a cartoon characterization of every right wing stereotype out there. Build walls. Hate people. Take every stupid comment made on AM hate radio in the last 20 years, and turn it into a campaign platform.

It all makes much more sense when you realize he was never serious about any of it.

Nitro Express
06-01-2016, 10:28 PM
You never know. A lot of inside baseball goes on in politics. It really is a carnival of con artists.

Seshmeister
06-01-2016, 11:25 PM
Trump isn't even running as a serious candidate.

It may have started that way but it's been totally serious for months now.

You think someone with his personality wouldn't want to be president now it's a serious possibility?

Seshmeister
06-01-2016, 11:36 PM
Bottom line is that Hillcunt has a very serious problem defeating Drumpf in the General Election even without her legal issues. Bernie is a much better candidate. If the "Democratic" establishment insists on forcing the weakest possible nominee - as they did with Judas IsKerryot in 2004, then they deserve what they get as a result, which will include many of the so-called "superdelegates" losing their own jobs.

If repeating the 2004 strategy is awful, repeating the 1968 strategy is even worse, and Joe Biden is old enough to remember how that worked out. I doubt he has any interest in being the Hubert Humphrey of 2016.

The only sane outcome is for the superdelegates to tell the Clintons to fuck off and die, and line up behind Bernie, which will seem like the only logical option after he wins California.

If I had to put a bet on California I would hqve to put it on Clinton because old people turn up and vote far more reliably than young people.


The new Journal/NBC News/Marist poll found Mr. Sanders building big margins among younger voters, as he has in other states. Among Democratic primary voters age 18 to 29, the poll found, 80% favor Mr. Sanders, while Mrs. Clinton garners almost twice his support among primary voters age 45 and older.

Mr. Sanders also outpaces the Democratic front-runner by a wide margin, 72% to 28%, among those voters who would be participating for the first time.


The system is of course terrible - a 2 party system is bad enough but you can't then have super delegates and still pretend that is a democracy.

DLR Bridge
06-02-2016, 12:06 PM
"Mr. Biden would be cast as the white knight rescuing the party, and the nation, from a possible Trump presidency. To win over Sanders supporters, he would likely choose as his running mate someone like Sen. Elizabeth Warren who is respected by the party’s left wing."

Huh. I remember when the party WAS a left wing.

The only thing that is "white knight" about Biden is his white Ted Knight hair. I love how it is implied that all of the Sanders voters will go for this because of EW. If she were 100% in Bernie's corner, she'd be there right now.

Kristy
06-02-2016, 02:05 PM
The system is of course terrible - a 2 party system is bad enough but you can't then have super delegates and still pretend that is a democracy.

Still it kicks the shit out of that pussy parliamentary system you toothless clods have in the smelly, rotting, immigrant-infested U.K.

FORD
06-06-2016, 10:33 PM
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y51/Bloodbags/HilGol_1.jpg

FORD
06-07-2016, 03:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ove3OUIWQBs

Kristy
06-07-2016, 04:01 PM
Enough with the Clitoriston sexism slave FORD It does not make your Zionist candidate any better or smarter.

cadaverdog
06-07-2016, 04:43 PM
The system is of course terrible - a 2 party system is bad enough but you can't then have super delegates and still pretend that is a democracy.
Our presidential election system is a total farce from beginning to end. If it was up to me I'd shitcan the primaries completely and let the individual parties decide who they want to represent them. Obviously they have the right to do that now anyway. Let them make up their own rules on how to do that as long as it doesn't involve taxpayer funding. Next get rid of the electorial college and let the people decide by awarding the presidency to the winner of the popular vote.

FORD
06-07-2016, 08:34 PM
Enough with the Clitoriston sexism slave FORD It does not make your Zionist candidate any better or smarter.

No sexism involved whatsoever. I'm not opposed to Hillary because she HAS a cunt. I'm opposed to her because she IS a cunt.

And if this scam is allowed to continue, I'll end up voting for Jill Stein, more than likely. Sexist? Nope.

Kristy
06-07-2016, 10:10 PM
Ah yes, Jill Stein, another "political revolutionary" bullshit con artist perpetrated by the pseudo-left. Stein is a fucking walking mess of contradictions and outright lies. She is nothing more than another capitalist candidate trying reform American capitalism just to her own agenda. Like Grumpy Trumpy, she uses the same god damn language of American populism and blind slaves like you fall for it. Every time.
http://imgc.allpostersimages.com/images/P-473-488-90/83/8300/Q5XI300Z/posters/chimpanzee-hand-over-eyes-see-no-evil.jpg

Now, apologize and self-ban for life.

FORD
06-07-2016, 10:14 PM
Yeah.... it's obvious why you hate Jill Stein :meinsmiley:

I didn't think anybody could top Nurse Presley in the number of anti-semitic hate posts one could accumulate on this board before getting banned, but you have to be getting close to his record.

Kristy
06-07-2016, 10:25 PM
Oh fuck you and your continuing pseudo-left angry agenda. And fuck you and your bullshit playing a any card when someone doesn't bow to your bullshit. I swear to fuck you are by far the biggest god damn cry baby I have ever come across. Do you actually ever look into the bullshit of the people you post about? The Green Party is a fucking joke. They have entered capitalist governments all over the world and have carried policies of austerity, job slashing and and cuts in social spending. Of course, Stein will never tell you that.

Google the Green Party's stand on foreign policy sometime. It is worse. They have opened the door to the reemergence of German imperialism and war mongering; they have been for the deployment of German troops right back into the Balkans and Afghanistan and have been known to support war in Iraq and Syria just like your master Bernie. Right now, they're really big on NATO preparing military conflict with Russia over Ukraine.

Get out of your suburban house sometime and quit posting shit by a bunch of rich, pseudo-left angry old white men. Learn to get a fucking voice for yourself.

DONNIEP
06-07-2016, 10:27 PM
Hill Dawg is givin her speech right now. Maybe Bernie will run out and kick her right in the clit and Bawllz...

Kristy
06-07-2016, 10:31 PM
And you ARE fucking sexist.


Twerp.

FORD
06-07-2016, 10:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgb_yIKsje4

FORD
06-07-2016, 11:30 PM
:puke:

cadaverdog
06-08-2016, 07:29 PM
I didn't think anybody could top Nurse Presley in the number of anti-semitic hate posts one could accumulate on this board before getting banned, but you have to be getting close to his record.
To be fair before you started supporting Bernie you made quite a few remarks here that some people might consider anti semitic yourself.

FORD
06-08-2016, 08:25 PM
To be fair before you started supporting Bernie you made quite a few remarks here that some people might consider anti semitic yourself.

Bullshit. Never confuse my disgust for NuttyYahoo and his Likud Zionfascism with anti-semitism. It's not remotely the same.

I sure as fuck wouldn't have spent the last 20 years posting on DLR websites (including my own, which was one of the first) if I hated Jews.

Oy vey :rolleyes:

cadaverdog
06-08-2016, 10:12 PM
Bullshit. Never confuse my disgust for NuttyYahoo and his Likud Zionfascism with anti-semitism. It's not remotely the same.

I'm sure there are plenty of folks who would disagree with you. You often mention your hatred for "Nutty Yahoo" and the steps he has taken to protect Israel but I've never seen you condemn the words and actions of those who would prefer Israel to cease to exist.

Seshmeister
06-08-2016, 10:23 PM
That's not necessarily anti semitic - being anti Israeli government is not the same thing.

It's a common mistake and maybe part of the reason we've ended up with that country falling into a spiral of hate.

There are some Jews that are against the state of Israel and many more that are against the government's divisive policies.

Kristy constantly posts that she doesn't like people because they have been born jewish not because of their views.

DONNIEP
06-08-2016, 10:34 PM
I'm sure there are plenty of folks who would disagree with you. You often mention your hatred for "Nutty Yahoo" and the steps he has taken to protect Israel but I've never seen you condemn the words and actions of those who would prefer Israel to cease to exist.

Ok, I'll splain it to you...

The country of Israel was created by the BCE. All the people who moved there after the country was created were BCE/CIA plants, well skilled in false flag operations. So they spent the next 3700 years blowing themselves up real good and shooting themselves to death because they're all MKUltra Manchurian Candidates brainwashed to carry out the BCE master plan of killing Palestininans, even though they could have killed them all off 60 years ago and then used the BCE Super Powers to expand the Zionist state all the way to Baghdad. But if they did that then everyone would have figured it out. So what they did instead is brainwash innocent Israelis with LSD and old movies so they would carry out terrorist attacks against their own tiny country so they could blame them all on "terrorists". Which were sometimes actually Palestinians who were on the BCE payroll, working in a double-double-blind op.

And the end game? The BCE spends almost 70 years wreaking havoc and finally gives the land Israel occupies back to the Palestinians so they can overthrow the Soviets and then they can sell all their oil and Halliburton briefcases to rich Palestinians.

And it would have worked too, if it wasn't for that meddling kid Ford.

cadaverdog
06-08-2016, 11:44 PM
Ok, I'll splain it to you...

The country of Israel was created by the BCE. All the people who moved there after the country was created were BCE/CIA plants, well skilled in false flag operations. So they spent the next 3700 years blowing themselves up real good and shooting themselves to death because they're all MKUltra Manchurian Candidates brainwashed to carry out the BCE master plan of killing Palestininans, even though they could have killed them all off 60 years ago and then used the BCE Super Powers to expand the Zionist state all the way to Baghdad. But if they did that then everyone would have figured it out. So what they did instead is brainwash innocent Israelis with LSD and old movies so they would carry out terrorist attacks against their own tiny country so they could blame them all on "terrorists". Which were sometimes actually Palestinians who were on the BCE payroll, working in a double-double-blind op.

And the end game? The BCE spends almost 70 years wreaking havoc and finally gives the land Israel occupies back to the Palestinians so they can overthrow the Soviets and then they can sell all their oil and Halliburton briefcases to rich Palestinians.

And it would have worked too, if it wasn't for that meddling kid Ford.
This is what happens when middle aged men that didn't go through a Jeff Spicolli phase in high school or college smoke the good stuff. Next time ask for Reggie.