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  • BigBadBrian
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 10625

    British parents are still allowed to whip little butts

    British Reject Ban on Spanking of Kids

    Monday July 5, 2004 8:31 PM


    By ED JOHNSON

    Associated Press Writer

    LONDON (AP) - British lawmakers on Monday voted against a ban on parents spanking their children, and decided instead to tighten existing rules.

    After a three-hour debate in the House of Lords, peers rejected the ban by 250 votes to 75.

    Instead, they voted by 226-91 to allow moderate spanking, but make it easier to prosecute parents who physically or mentally abuse their children by spanking.

    The amendment must be approved by lawmakers in Parliament's lower chamber, the House of Commons, before becoming law.

    Britain is out of step on the issue with several European countries, including Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark and Austria, where all physical punishment of children is illegal.

    Pressure groups insist children must have the same legal protection from being hit as adults and had called for the law to be changed. Prime Minister Tony Blair's government has repeatedly shied away from a ban, fearing it will be accused of intruding into family affairs.

    The current law dates back to a case in 1860, when a judge ruled that physical punishment of children should be allowed as a ``reasonable chastisement.''

    Campaigners argue that ruling is ambiguous and two parliamentary committees have said it is too often used as a legal defense to excuse violent behavior that goes far beyond a spanking.

    In the House of Lords on Monday, Liberal Democrat peer Lord Lester successfully proposed a measure to allow moderate spanking, but remove the ``reasonable chastisement'' defense if parents harmed a child physically or mentally. If the amendment is also approved by the Commons, the new law will make it easier for authorities to prosecute violent parents.

    Several peers called for an outright ban.

    ``Smacking can lead to battering which can lead to death,'' said Liberal Democrat peer Lord Thomas. ``We are presented with medical reports, social service records, school records and one can see the route to death which starts with the initial smack.''

    Independent peer Lord Ackner disagreed. ``I think we are overlooking that parents have a unique relationship with their children and in order to fulfill their parental responsibilities they have powers which they don't posses in relation to anyone else,'' he said.

    Attorney General Lord Goldsmith backed Lester's measure and said it would ``have the effect of preventing harm to children without criminalizing parents for minor disciplinary steps.''

    Blair's government ordered its Labour peers to vote against a ban, but allowed them a free vote on Lester's amendment.

    ``The government wants an outcome that maintains the balance between the parent's right to discipline and protecting the child,'' said Blair's official spokesman. ``That is why we don't want to criminalize parents. That is why we are opposed to outright bans.''
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  • Seshmeister
    ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

    • Oct 2003
    • 35771

    #2
    Actually English parents.

    Scottish law was changed a couple of years back...

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    • scorpioboy33
      Commando
      • Jul 2004
      • 1415

      #3
      i really never wanna hit my daughter...

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      • madraoul
        Foot Soldier
        • Feb 2004
        • 530

        #4
        Is this an attempt to widen the distribution of Ritilan? Just a question. My kid is 15 and I haven't had to hit him once.

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        • freak
          Sniper
          • May 2004
          • 980

          #5
          The only time I recall being hit as a child was as a 15 year old who came home drunk and told his barrel chested steamfitter grandfather who had just happened to be there visiting "Get out of my way, old man".

          I found myself clear down at the bottom of the steps with a cut over my left eye and a badly swollen face.

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          • ELVIS
            Banned
            • Dec 2003
            • 44120

            #6
            Originally posted by scorpioboy33
            i really never wanna hit my daughter...

            Wait til she gets caught fucking two guys and a girl on camera after stealing your credit card and crashing your car while doing crystal meth...

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            • scorpioboy33
              Commando
              • Jul 2004
              • 1415

              #7
              Originally posted by ELVIS
              Wait til she gets caught fucking two guys and a girl on camera after stealing your credit card and crashing your car while doing crystal meth...
              try to treat people like you with some respect..and all you get is creepy nasty bullshit remarks...to bad man...i thought you were ok

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              • ELVIS
                Banned
                • Dec 2003
                • 44120

                #8
                I was just kidding.. in a way...

                Like the above never happens ??

                C'mon dude!

                Shit happens!

                Good parenting can do a world of wonders...

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                • scorpioboy33
                  Commando
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 1415

                  #9
                  whatever...hopeful I don't have to deal with it ...sorry I get a little defensive about her...she's only 2....

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                  • lms2

                    #10
                    Discipline does not have to mean spanking, and spanking does not necessarily mean discipline.

                    You guys are bitchy tonight.

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                    • ELVIS
                      Banned
                      • Dec 2003
                      • 44120

                      #11
                      Originally posted by scorpioboy33
                      whatever...hopeful I don't have to deal with it ...sorry I get a little defensive about her...she's only 2....
                      Stay that way and you both will be ok...

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                      • lms2

                        #12
                        Respect is a two way street, one you can teach by example, but when they are very little they also need to learn to cross that street VERY carefully.

                        Location could have something to do with your views...

                        Some American children are very disrespectful...

                        I can't say about Canadian values, as I have yet to visit there.

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                        • Ally_Kat
                          ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 7612

                          #13
                          I was spanked and I turned out alright. My cousin refuses to spank her kids and the oldest is a spoiled brat who goes around thinking she's better than the rest of the family. Keeps telling us all to shut up because we don't know what we're talking about. If my kid ever did that, over my knee they would go.
                          Roth Army Militia

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                          • UGS
                            Head Fluffer
                            • Jan 2005
                            • 492

                            #14
                            I have no problem with spanking kids. Try all the rewards or punishments you want, no lesson taught to a bratty six year old is better remembered than when finished off with a stinging red ass.
                            Keep on Rothing in the Free World

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                            • UGS
                              Head Fluffer
                              • Jan 2005
                              • 492

                              #15
                              Oh shit, didn't realize how old this was. . .sorry guys. . .just saw it after looking at Rikk's Whippy Whip thread
                              Keep on Rothing in the Free World

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