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Nickdfresh
12-10-2016, 04:02 AM
Secret CIA assessment says Russia intervened in election to help Trump win
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Obama has ordered intelligence officials to conduct a broad review on suspected election-season hacking by Russians. (Andrew Harnik / AP)
Adam Entous, Ellen Nakashima, Greg MillerThe Washington Post
The CIA has concluded in a secret assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election to help Donald Trump win the presidency, rather than just to undermine confidence in the U.S. electoral system, according to officials briefed on the matter.
Intelligence agencies have identified individuals with connections to the Russian government who provided WikiLeaks with thousands of hacked emails from the Democratic National Committee and others, including Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman, according to U.S. officials. Those officials described the individuals as actors known to the intelligence community and part of a wider Russian operation to boost Trump and hurt Clinton's chances.
"It is the assessment of the intelligence community that Russia's goal here was to favor one candidate over the other, to help Trump get elected," said a senior U.S. official briefed on an intelligence presentation made to U.S. senators. "That's the consensus view."
President Barack Obama's administration has been debating for months how to respond to the alleged Russian intrusions, with White House officials concerned about escalating tensions with Moscow and being accused of trying to boost Clinton's campaign.
In September, during a secret briefing for congressional leaders, Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (Kentucky) voiced doubts about the veracity of the intelligence, according to officials present.
The Trump transition team dismissed the findings in a short statement issued Friday evening. "These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. The election ended a long time ago in one of the biggest Electoral College victories in history. It's now time to move on and 'Make America Great Again,' " the statement read.
Trump has consistently dismissed the intelligence community's findings about Russian hacking.
"I don't believe they interfered" in the election, he told Time magazine this week. The hacking, he said, "could be Russia. And it could be China. And it could be some guy in his home in New Jersey."
The CIA shared its latest assessment with key senators in a closed-door briefing on Capitol Hill last week, in which agency officials cited a growing body of intelligence from multiple sources. Agency briefers told the senators it was now "quite clear" that electing Trump was Russia's goal, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters.
The CIA presentation to senators about Russia's intentions fell short of a formal U.S. assessment produced by all 17 intelligence agencies. A senior U.S. official said there were minor disagreements among intelligence officials about the agency's assessment, in part because some questions remain unanswered.
For example, intelligence agencies do not have specific intelligence showing officials in the Kremlin "directing" the identified individuals to pass the Democratic emails to WikiLeaks, a second senior U.S. official said. Those actors, according to the official, were "one step" removed from the Russian government, rather than government employees. Moscow has in the past used middlemen to participate in sensitive intelligence operations so it has plausible deniability.
In this Oct. 4, 2016 file photo, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange participates via video link at a news conference marking the 10th anniversary of the secrecy-spilling group in Berlin, Germany. Assange denied Nov. 3, 2016, that the Russian government or any other "state parties"ť were his group's source for more than 50,000 hacked emails from the files of Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman, John Podesta. (Markus Schreiber / AP)
The White House and CIA officials declined to comment.
On Friday, the White House said President Obama had ordered a "full review" of Russian hacking during the election campaign, as pressure from Congress has grown for greater public understanding of exactly what Moscow did to influence the electoral process.
"We may have crossed into a new threshold, and it is incumbent upon us to take stock of that, to review, to conduct some after-action, to understand what has happened and to impart some lessons learned," Obama's counterterrorism and homeland security adviser, Lisa Monaco, told reporters at a breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor.
Obama wants the report before he leaves office Jan. 20, Monaco said.
During her remarks, Monaco didn't address the latest CIA assessment, which hasn't been previously disclosed.
Lisa Monaco
In this Feb. 13, 2015 file photo, Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism Lisa Monaco speaks at the White House Summit on Cybersecurity and Consumer Protection in Stanford, Calif. Monaco says President Obama has ordered a review of the email hacking that rattled the presidential campaign and says intelligence and national security officials will report their findings to the president before leaves office on Jan. 20. (Jeff Chiu / AP)
Seven Democratic senators last week asked Obama to declassify details about the intrusions and why officials believe that the Kremlin was behind the operation. Officials said Friday that the senators specifically were asking the White House to release portions of the CIA's presentation.
This week, top Democratic lawmakers in the House also sent a letter to Obama, asking for briefings on Russian interference in the election.
U.S. intelligence agencies have been cautious for months in characterizing Russia's motivations, reflecting the United States' long-standing struggle to collect reliable intelligence on President Vladimir Putin and those closest to him.
In previous assessments, the CIA and other intelligence agencies told the White House and congressional leaders that they believed Moscow's aim was to undermine confidence in the U.S. electoral system. The assessments stopped short of saying the goal was to help elect Trump.
On Oct. 7, the intelligence community officially accused Moscow of seeking to interfere in the election through the hacking of "political organizations." Though the statement never specified which party, it was clear that officials were referring to cyber-intrusions into the computers of the DNC and other Democratic groups and individuals.
Some key Republican lawmakers have continued to question the quality of evidence supporting Russian involvement.
Putin Trump mural
A couple kisses in front of graffiti depicting Russian President Vladimir Putin, left, and Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, on the walls of a bar in the old town in Vilnius, Lithuania, on May 14, 2016. (Mindaugas Kulbis / AP)
"I'll be the first one to come out and point at Russia if there's clear evidence, but there is no clear evidence - even now," said Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee and a member of the Trump transition team. "There's a lot of innuendo, lots of circumstantial evidence, that's it."
Though Russia has long conducted cyberspying on U.S. agencies, companies and organizations, this presidential campaign marks the first time Moscow has attempted through cyber-means to interfere in, if not actively influence, the outcome of an election, the officials said.
The reluctance of the Obama White House to respond to the alleged Russian intrusions before Election Day upset Democrats on the Hill as well as members of the Clinton campaign.
Within the administration, top officials from different agencies sparred over whether and how to respond. White House officials were concerned that covert retaliatory measures might risk an escalation in which Russia, with sophisticated cyber-capabilities, might have less to lose than the United States, with its vast and vulnerable digital infrastructure.
The White House's reluctance to take that risk left Washington weighing more limited measures, including the "naming and shaming" approach of publicly blaming Moscow.
By mid-September, White House officials had decided it was time to take that step, but they worried that doing so unilaterally and without bipartisan congressional backing just weeks before the election would make Obama vulnerable to charges that he was using intelligence for political purposes.
Instead, officials devised a plan to seek bipartisan support from top lawmakers and set up a secret meeting with the Gang of 12 - a group that includes House and Senate leaders, as well as the chairmen and ranking members of both chambers' committees on intelligence and homeland security.
Obama dispatched Monaco, FBI Director James Comey and Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson to make the pitch for a "show of solidarity and bipartisan unity" against Russian interference in the election, according to a senior administration official.
Specifically, the White House wanted congressional leaders to sign off on a bipartisan statement urging state and local officials to take federal help in protecting their voting-registration and balloting machines from Russian cyber-intrusions.
Though U.S. intelligence agencies were skeptical that hackers would be able to manipulate the election results in a systematic way, the White House feared that Russia would attempt to do so, sowing doubt about the fundamental mechanisms of democracy and potentially forcing a more dangerous confrontation between Washington and Moscow.
In a secure room in the Capitol used for briefings involving classified information, administration officials broadly laid out the evidence U.S. spy agencies had collected, showing Russia's role in cyber-intrusions in at least two states and in hacking the emails of the Democratic organizations and individuals.
And they made a case for a united, bipartisan front in response to what one official described as "the threat posed by unprecedented meddling by a foreign power in our election process."
The Democratic leaders in the room unanimously agreed on the need to take the threat seriously. Republicans, however, were divided, with at least two GOP lawmakers reluctant to accede to the White House requests.
According to several officials, McConnell raised doubts about the underlying intelligence and made clear to the administration that he would consider any effort by the White House to challenge the Russians publicly an act of partisan politics.
Some of the Republicans in the briefing also seemed opposed to the idea of going public with such explosive allegations in the final stages of an election, a move that they argued would only rattle public confidence and play into Moscow's hands.
McConnell's office did not respond to a request for comment. After the election, Trump chose McConnell's wife, Elaine Chao, as his nominee for transportation secretary.
Some Clinton supporters saw the White House's reluctance to act without bipartisan support as further evidence of an excessive caution in facing adversaries.
"The lack of an administration response on the Russian hacking cannot be attributed to Congress," said Rep. Adam Schiff (California), the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, who was at the September meeting. "The administration has all the tools it needs to respond. They have the ability to impose sanctions. They have the ability to take clandestine means. The administration has decided not to utilize them in a way that would deter the Russians, and I think that's a problem."
The Washington Post's Philip Rucker contributed to this report.
Copyright © 2016, Chicago Tribune (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-cia-russia-help-trump-win-20161209-story.html)
Seshmeister
12-10-2016, 12:32 PM
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The Trump transition team dismissed the findings in a short statement issued Friday evening. "These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. The election ended a long time ago in one of the biggest Electoral College victories in history. It's now time to move on and 'Make America Great Again,' " the statement read.
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Wait a minute, they said what!!??
vandeleur
12-10-2016, 12:59 PM
I know it plays into tin foil hat territory but something is rotten in the state of Denmark .
And if you did vote for trump that's from a book and Denmark is somewhere between ... am struggling you only know Mexico and the elsewhereistan :D
vandeleur
12-10-2016, 01:11 PM
Eventually you won't be able to trust anything , because some 12 year old twat can hack it to impress his mates.
It won't be two countries fighting that will fuck things up it will be a spotty oik trying to impress his girlfriend with the access codes for something we don't even want to know we have have :)
DONNIEP
12-10-2016, 01:29 PM
Eventually you won't be able to trust anything , because some 12 year old twat can hack it to impress his mates.
It won't be two countries fighting that will fuck things up it will be a spotty oik trying to impress his girlfriend with the access codes for something we don't even want to know we have have :)
In this case, I think the content of the hacked emails was more important than who actually committed this little bit of espionage. And it doesn't take a super genius to hack someone's email or whatever online account. Is Russia actually spying on the US (yes, duh) and did Putin himself want to put a virtual knife in Hill Dawg's campaign? Maybe. But all this crying about these emails "influencing the election" would be oddly absent if Bernie had been able to capitalize on them and had won the election.
The issue here is what was in the emails. Some of it was absolutely conspiratorial and there were smoking guns all over the place showing how Hill Dawg's campaign actively worked to disrupt both Bernie's and Trump's campaigns. And yet there's a couple million idiots out there crying in the streets because one of the single most dishonest woman hating cunts on the planet who would sell out every gay in this country by flooding the joint with people who despise them didn't win.
And lest anyone think the Russians are the ultimate bad guys for hacking these emails, every country in the West that has the capability is doing the same thing right now. And why haven't these idiots whose emails have been hacked learned years ago that if you're going to plot against someone you never write anything down.
vandeleur
12-10-2016, 01:36 PM
So youre saying bad people do bad things ;)
The US corporate media is desperately trying to kill off any non-corporate media sources. When they succeeded in killing Al Jazeera America, they smelled the blood in the water. Now they are going after RT, which easily has more US viewers than AJM ever did, because they have made it accessible. RT is actually on basic cable and the lower priced tiers of satellite packages, as well as free & reliable streams from their own website, recently added live streams on You Tube and on apps for mobile devices, and on Kodi, the favorite platform of confirmed cord-cutters everywhere.
And being a cord cutter, I'm able to get news from sources all over the world. Pretty much any country which has an English language news channel is out there if you know where to look. RT, Al Jazeera, BBC, France 24, NHK (Japan), DW (Germany). There was even a Turkish network out there for a while, but I haven't seen them since the attempted coup a few months back. There's an Israeli channel, I24, which seems to air more bullshit fashion reports than actual news, and there's always Iran's Press TV, which I usually avoid, not because it's biased programming, but because it's shitty production. And if you really want to be bored to tears, there's even an English version of the Chinese state news network, CCTV.
Point is, they probably all have a little bit of bias when it comes to coverage of their own countries, but why not watch them all, and get some various sides of the news stories. Instead of relying on Comcast, AOLTimeCIAWarnerCNN, or Les "Trump is bad for America, but he's great for CBS" Moonves to tell you what to think. (BTW, fuck you Les, for killing the CBSN Kodi app)
DONNIEP
12-10-2016, 02:34 PM
So youre saying bad people do bad things ;)
Shocking, isn't it? What's more shocking to me is how all these Hillary voters are so wacked out that she lost even though they know she and her camp were doing everything they could to destroy the campaigns of the only other two candidates who stood a chance to beat her. This ain't professional wrasslin where you cheer for the bad guy because you know after the show they're all gonna hit the local steak joint then run the bars together all nite. Nah, these are people who can look at all the evidence of her trying to rig an election and somehow say "well none of that matters", kinda like the whole fake Hands Up Don't Shoot mentality you see played out every time a cop shoots some black dude.
Ya know, it's too bad Ol' Bernie wasn't able to use the leaked emails to his advantage. I would have much preferred to see a fair "fight" between him and Trump. And if Bernie had won then so be it.
vandeleur
12-10-2016, 02:44 PM
That's to many words .... is yurp the appropriate response without reading it ?
DONNIEP
12-10-2016, 03:01 PM
That's to many words .... is yurp the appropriate response without reading it ?
Here, let me condense it for you: Hillary is Devilly and her devout followers who are still protesting and crying like little children are stupid idiots who wouldn't have benefited from her Presidency anyways.
Now, go fetch me a 12 pack of Natural Ice. The sun is about to go down and this is my cheat day :biggrin:
vandeleur
12-10-2016, 03:21 PM
Here, let me condense it for you: Hillary is Devilly and her devout followers who are still protesting and crying like little children are stupid idiots who wouldn't have benefited from her Presidency anyways.
Now, go fetch me a 12 pack of Natural Ice. The sun is about to go down and this is my cheat day :biggrin:
Natural ice or tramp juice as it's known :)
cadaverdog
12-10-2016, 03:24 PM
That's to many words .... is yurp the appropriate response without reading it ?
Depends on your definition of yurp.
cadaverdog
12-10-2016, 03:30 PM
Natural ice or tramp juice as it's known :)
Natural Ice is one of those beers you buy when pals that never bring beer with them are going to drop by to play poker or watch a football game. That way you know you'll get your fair share and then some while your pals are trying to figure out how to dump their's out while nobody's looking.
DONNIEP
12-10-2016, 03:37 PM
Natural ice or tramp juice as it's known :)
Why don't you go drink some of that fairy beer with Ford? Better enjoy it now before your Moozlim Overlords take it all away :biggrin:
DONNIEP
12-10-2016, 03:38 PM
Depends on your definition of yurp.
I thought it depends on your definition of is.
cadaverdog
12-10-2016, 03:43 PM
It won't be two countries fighting that will fuck things up it will be a spotty oik trying to impress his girlfriend with the access codes for something we don't even want to know we have have :)
Could you repeat that in English?
cadaverdog
12-10-2016, 03:45 PM
I thought it depends on your definition of is.
That too.
vandeleur
12-10-2016, 03:47 PM
Could you repeat that in English?
Let's not fight cdog .... am baiting vonniep . If I have to fight two of you I will resort to dirty tactics ......
Try this .... ya mackem shandy drinking southerner
DONNIEP
12-10-2016, 03:48 PM
Could you repeat that in English?
Remember when Ferris Bueller tried to impress that chick and ended up almost starting World War III? That's what he's talking about.
cadaverdog
12-10-2016, 04:08 PM
Let's not fight cdog .... am baiting vonniep . If I have to fight two of you I will resort to dirty tactics ......
Try this .... ya mackem shandy drinking southerner
I was serious but it wasn't meant as a personal attack. I think you added one to many "have"s in that last post.
BTW: Don't be a doylem. I've got me own Geordie dictionary ya wazzock.
cadaverdog
12-10-2016, 04:10 PM
Remember when Ferris Bueller tried to impress that chick and ended up almost starting World War III? That's what he's talking about.
Was that Ferris Bueller or Inspector Gadget?
vandeleur
12-10-2016, 04:10 PM
Lol
Trump's new US flag design.....
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Flag_of_the_Communist_United_States.svg/800px-Flag_of_the_Communist_United_States.svg.png
twonabomber
12-12-2016, 06:16 AM
Let's not fight cdog .... am baiting vonniep . If I have to fight two of you I will resort to dirty tactics ......
Try this .... ya mackem shandy drinking southerner
Vonniep? Don Halen?
Nickdfresh
12-12-2016, 01:24 PM
Natural ice or tramp juice as it's known :)
More like "Tramp's Piss"...
Von Halen
12-12-2016, 03:09 PM
More like "Tramp's Piss"...
You'll be drinking Trump's piss for the next 8 years!
Nickdfresh
12-12-2016, 05:26 PM
You'll be drinking Trump's piss for the next 8 years!
Naw, three or four tops! Is that his beer to go along with his vodka and steaks?
https://pics.onsizzle.com/trump-steaks-the-worlds-greatest-steaks-1-2-3-4-2002679.png
Nickdfresh
12-12-2016, 05:30 PM
http://memeshappen.com/media/created/Happy-birthday-nick-get-a-beer-in-ya-belly-meme-46769.jpg
Fuck yeah!!
https://www.askideas.com/media/48/Yeah-If-The-Lazy-Mexicans-Could-Quit-Raping-Everybody-ThatD-Be-Great-Funny-Donald-Trump-Meme-Image.jpg
Here's what Cheeto drinks.....
http://beerpulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/CAGB-Spiced-Orange-with-bottle-500.jpg
It's crabby. It's orange. It's Trumperiffic!
Nickdfresh
12-12-2016, 05:58 PM
http://crooksandliars.com/files/primary_image/16/03/donald-trump-beer.jpg
Ha!
What a horrible waste of stout. :(
vandeleur
12-12-2016, 06:07 PM
http://crooksandliars.com/files/primary_image/16/03/donald-trump-beer.jpg
Ha!
They should make the bottles extra big so it looks like you have little hands when you drink it :)
Von Halen
12-12-2016, 06:15 PM
They should make the bottles extra big so it looks like you have little hands when you drink it :)
They should make the bottles explode in Liberals hands. Of course, it would have to be a large enough explosion to kill them, so nobody has to listen to their incessant whining anymore.
vandeleur
12-12-2016, 06:17 PM
They should make the bottles explode in Liberals hands. Of course, it would have to be a large enough explosion to kill them, so nobody has to listen to their incessant whining anymore.
What's a liberal ;)
What's a liberal ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CDcFKuEJ10
cadaverdog
12-12-2016, 07:20 PM
What's a liberal ;)
A liberal is a critter that claims it believes in democracy but only when it works in their favor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOc8kOU704E
Seshmeister
12-13-2016, 07:41 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1Ys1iKdrXY
http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r589/duadmin/161213-rex-tillerson_zps2ud2d2px.jpg
Nickdfresh
12-15-2016, 10:53 AM
U.S. Officials: Putin Personally Involved in U.S. Election Hack
by WILLIAM M. ARKIN, KEN DILANIAN and CYNTHIA MCFADDEN
U.S. intelligence officials now believe with "a high level of confidence" that Russian President Vladimir Putin became personally involved in the covert Russian campaign to interfere in the U.S. presidential election, senior U.S. intelligence officials told NBC News.
Two senior officials with direct access to the information say new intelligence shows that Putin personally directed how hacked material from Democrats was leaked and otherwise used. The intelligence came from diplomatic sources and spies working for U.S. allies, the officials said.
Putin's objectives were multifaceted, a high-level intelligence source told NBC News. What began as a "vendetta" against Hillary Clinton morphed into an effort to show corruption in American politics and to "split off key American allies by creating the image that [other countries] couldn't depend on the U.S. to be a credible global leader anymore," the official said.
Ultimately, the CIA has assessed, the Russian government wanted to elect Donald Trump. The FBI and other agencies don't fully endorse that view, but few officials would dispute that the Russian operation was intended to harm Clinton's candidacy by leaking embarrassing emails about Democrats.
The latest intelligence said to show Putin's involvement goes much further than the information the U.S. was relying on in October, when all 17 intelligence agencies signed onto a statement attributing the Democratic National Committee hack to Russia.
The statement said officials believed that "only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities." That was an intelligence judgment based on an understanding of the Russian system of government, which Putin controls with absolute authority.
Now the U.S has solid information tying Putin to the operation, the intelligence officials say. Their use of the term "high confidence" implies that the intelligence is nearly incontrovertible.
"It is most certainly consistent with the Putin that I have watched and used to work with when I was an ambassador and in the government," said Michael McFaul, who was ambassador to Russia from 2012 to 2014.
"He has had a vendetta against Hillary Clinton, that has been known for a long time because of what she said about his elections back in the parliamentary elections of 2011. He wants to discredit American democracy and make us weaker in terms of leading the liberal democratic order. And most certainly he likes President-elect Trump's views on Russia," McFaul added. Clinton cast doubt on the integrity of Russia's elections.
As part of contingency planning for potential retaliation against Russia, according to officials, U.S. intelligence agencies have stepped up their probing into his personal financial empire.
American officials have concluded that Putin's network controls some $85 billion worth of assets, officials told NBC News.
Neither the CIA nor the Office of the Director of National Intelligence would comment.
A former CIA official who worked on Russia told NBC News that it's not clear the U.S. can embarrass Putin, given that many Russians are already familiar with allegations he has grown rich through corruption and has ordered the killings of political adversaries.
But a currently serving U.S. intelligence official said that there are things Putin is sensitive about, including anything that makes him seem weak.
The former CIA official said the Obama administration may feel compelled to respond before it leaves office.
"This whole thing has heated up so much," he said. "I can very easily see them saying, `We can't just say wow, this was terrible and there's nothing we can do.'"
NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s-officials-putin-personally-involved-u-s-election-hack-n696146)
http://i.faketrumptweet.com/1giyd74avl_e22y7f.png
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0MEC9Ab8AY
vandeleur
12-31-2016, 08:32 AM
Russia has responded to America expelling 38 diplomats for charges of spying and internet warefare by changing all the Whitehouse passwords.
:biggrin:
cadaverdog
12-31-2016, 01:44 PM
Since I'm not as rabid as some here when it comes to politics I've given Obama the benefit of the doubt on quite a few things including Obamacare but this is just stupid. As far as I know nobody has proved Russia has done jack shit.
Now I'm reading how Obama was compelled to punish Russia because he assumes Trump wouldn't. Meanwhile Putin has denied his advisers suggestions to react to Obama's sanctions while suggesting this is an attempt by Obama to screw with Trump.
Sounds like something Obama and the DNC would do.
saint
12-31-2016, 05:44 PM
Since I'm not as rabid as some here when it comes to politics I've given Obama the benefit of the doubt on quite a few things including Obamacare but this is just stupid. As far as I know nobody has proved Russia has done jack shit.
Now I'm reading how Obama was compelled to punish Russia because he assumes Trump wouldn't. Meanwhile Putin has denied his advisers suggestions to react to Obama's sanctions while suggesting this is an attempt by Obama to screw with Trump.
Sounds like something Obama and the DNC would do.
This is something that strikes me as a european as strange. US has always treated communism as their worst enemy, but now all of a sudden Mr Putin is a god guy?
cadaverdog
01-01-2017, 03:21 AM
This is something that strikes me as a european as strange. US has always treated communism as their worst enemy, but now all of a sudden Mr Putin is a god guy?
I'm not sure what his religious beliefs are.
Pooty is "religious" in the same sense that most of the later Roman emperors were. He believes that HE is a god. And apparently his royal Orange emperor Herr Cheeto is a True Believer.
Seshmeister
01-01-2017, 11:09 AM
Since I'm not as rabid as some here when it comes to politics I've given Obama the benefit of the doubt on quite a few things including Obamacare but this is just stupid. As far as I know nobody has proved Russia has done jack shit.
This is life inside the bubble - I've seen people on your TV 'News' say the same thing.
Firstly all your intelligence agencies have categorically said the Russians did the hacking and have said it since October. So you are saying you trust the Russian government more than your own which is surprising particularly given some of the whacked out stuff they do like murdering journalists and rival politicians.
Secondly it's not just the CIA saying this, it's the FBI and NSA. These groups work as rivals.
Thirdly http://usuncut.com/politics/the-fbi-just-released-proof-of-russian-election-hacking/
You guys need to be careful about how you are getting your information. You should clear your cookies. :)
cadaverdog
01-01-2017, 10:40 PM
This is life inside the bubble - I've seen people on your TV 'News' say the same thing.
I rarely watch TV. When I do it's not to watch the news. Your assumption that I'm brainwashed by right wing extremists is incorrect. I've spent way more time watching and listening to left wing extremists whose videos get posted here that I do watching and listening to right wing extremists. Politics outside of this web site don't take up much of my time.
Firstly all your intelligence agencies have categorically said the Russians did the hacking and have said it since October. So you are saying you trust the Russian government more than your own which is surprising particularly given some of the whacked out stuff they do like murdering journalists and rival politicians.
I don't trust anyone.
Secondly it's not just the CIA saying this, it's the FBI and NSA. These groups work as rivals.
Sure they do.
Seshmeister
01-01-2017, 10:44 PM
Whatevs.
cadaverdog
01-01-2017, 10:53 PM
Whatevs.
Don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel. I could use another good laugh tonight.
cadaverdog
01-01-2017, 11:02 PM
And apparently his royal Orange emperor Herr Cheeto is a True Believer.
Good for him. Everybody needs something to believe in.
Well... at the risk of sounding like a John Birch Society right wing wackjob, circa 1968 or so.....
If Cheeto loves Putin and Russia so goddamn much, he should fucking move there!!
cadaverdog
01-02-2017, 12:23 AM
If Cheeto loves Putin and Russia so goddamn much, he should fucking move there!!
You got 19 days to get out of town before the Fourth Reich begins. If I was you I'd be too busy packing my bags to be posting such nonsense. Heil Trump!
In the real Fourth Reich, you'll be the first to go.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz1sBi0-130
ZahZoo
01-02-2017, 09:00 AM
This is life inside the bubble - I've seen people on your TV 'News' say the same thing.
Firstly all your intelligence agencies have categorically said the Russians did the hacking and have said it since October. So you are saying you trust the Russian government more than your own which is surprising particularly given some of the whacked out stuff they do like murdering journalists and rival politicians.
Secondly it's not just the CIA saying this, it's the FBI and NSA. These groups work as rivals.
Thirdly http://usuncut.com/politics/the-fbi-just-released-proof-of-russian-election-hacking/
You guys need to be careful about how you are getting your information. You should clear your cookies. :)
I don't doubt any of the "Intelligence reports" from the CIA, FBI, NSA, etc that say the Russians have been hacking in many places, both in governmental systems and private industry.
Specifically in direct relation to the election results though... I think the whole notion that Russia played any significant role in altering the election results is a bunch of bullshit.
The only matter I see from all this is they "may" have hacked Podesta's gmail account and fed the contents to wikileaks exposing internal Democratic crap. But it was verified that the content within those e-mails was not altered in any way... just exposed. No voting machines were compromised. No vote counts were hacked. Just a private e-mail account hosted on google.
With all that in mind... Trump had already beaten 16 Republican contenders in the primaries before any of the wikileaks stuff was released. Most American voters had already made up their minds on who they were voting for long before any of this was released. At best maybe a tiny portion of fence-sitters may have been swayed by this crap, but that's a huge stretch of the imagination.
My opinion is Russia may have played around... but I don't see any evidence that any of their bullshit swayed the American voters enough to credit their involvement as a significant factor in the election results. Enough people in the heartland of this country outside of the major population centers chose an unlikely change advocate... I feel confident those folks didn't give a shit what any Russians thought about it.
Nickdfresh
01-02-2017, 05:29 PM
I don't doubt any of the "Intelligence reports" from the CIA, FBI, NSA, etc that say the Russians have been hacking in many places, both in governmental systems and private industry.
Specifically in direct relation to the election results though... I think the whole notion that Russia played any significant role in altering the election results is a bunch of bullshit.
The only matter I see from all this is they "may" have hacked Podesta's gmail account and fed the contents to wikileaks exposing internal Democratic crap. But it was verified that the content within those e-mails was not altered in any way... just exposed. No voting machines were compromised. No vote counts were hacked. Just a private e-mail account hosted on google.
With all that in mind... Trump had already beaten 16 Republican contenders in the primaries before any of the wikileaks stuff was released. Most American voters had already made up their minds on who they were voting for long before any of this was released. At best maybe a tiny portion of fence-sitters may have been swayed by this crap, but that's a huge stretch of the imagination.
My opinion is Russia may have played around... but I don't see any evidence that any of their bullshit swayed the American voters enough to credit their involvement as a significant factor in the election results. Enough people in the heartland of this country outside of the major population centers chose an unlikely change advocate... I feel confident those folks didn't give a shit what any Russians thought about it.
Whatever you want to believe, old man...
Seshmeister
01-02-2017, 10:14 PM
I think it's not impossible given how close the election ended up being, that a bunch of democrats didn't vote at all because of the Russian hack but I think the FBI email (non)story the week before was much more important and probably swung it.
Nickdfresh
01-03-2017, 10:56 AM
The FBI thing combined with Fake News did her in mainly...
https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/top-fake-news-of-2016?utm_term=.nyYNVvEjx#.nbzzAyE6O
cadaverdog
01-03-2017, 06:18 PM
The FBI thing combined with Fake News did her in mainly...
What did her in was the fact she didn't think she could possibly lose even though the primaries proved otherwise. The Liberal media thought the same thing. Obviously they were wrong. If both parties were smart (they're not) they'd run their own primaries using their own rules. If someone like Bernie comes along and looks like he might be a contender the DNC (or the RNC) manipulates the results and he loses but nobody but the top dogs know he actually won. The penalty for challenging the party's integrity would be a swift kick out of the party.
Nickdfresh
01-11-2017, 09:14 AM
U.S. spy agencies detail Russia’s role in boosting Trump
Yahoo News Michael Isikoff
Chief Investigative Correspondent
Yahoo NewsJanuary 6, 2017
Russian President Vladimir Putin personally ordered a wide-ranging campaign to disrupt the American presidential election, seeking to “denigrate” Hillary Clinton and boost the chances of the Republican candidate, Donald Trump, according to an unusually detailed declassified report released by the U.S. intelligence community Friday.
The Kremlin efforts involved cyberattacks, state funded propaganda, including by its RT TV network, and social media “trolls.” Russia’s military intelligence hacked the emails of the Democratic National Committee and other Democratic political leaders and then “relayed material it acquired” to WikiLeaks. The intelligence community reached that conclusion with “high confidence,” directly refuting statements this week by WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange that he did not receive hacked emails from the Russian government.
The 14-page report, a public version of a more extensive classified assessment briefed to President Obama on Thursday and President-elect Trump on Friday, goes well beyond previous public statements by U.S. intelligence community officials about the election. It includes several alarming new details: In early 2014, it says, Russian intelligence began researching “U.S. electoral processes and related technology and equipment” and later “obtained and maintained access to elements of multiple US state or local electoral boards.” The type of systems compromised, however, were not involved in vote tallying.
The report also delves more deeply than earlier statements into Putin’s motives for ordering the influence campaign. Beyond the Kremlin’s longstanding interest in undermining “the US-led liberal democratic order,” Putin viewed the release of the Panama Papers (revealing the secret bank accounts of several of his associates) and the Olympic doping scandal as “US-directed efforts to defame Russia.” He also “most likely” wanted to discredit Clinton because he “holds a grudge” against her for public comments she made supporting protests in Moscow and other cities against the 2011 Russian elections that kept Putin’s party, United Russia, in power.
But it also cites one reason that Putin appeared to look favorably on Trump — the president-elect’s business background, including dealings over the years in Russia: “Putin has had many positive experiences working with Western political leaders whose business interests made them more disposed to deal with Russia, such as former Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi and former German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder.” (After leaving office, Schroeder joined the board of Gazprom, the Russian energy giant, and has maintained close ties to Putin.)
Even when polls indicated Trump losing, the Russians continued their efforts to undermine Clinton, according to the intelligence report. “When it appeared to Moscow that Secretary Clinton was likely to win the presidency, the Russian influence campaign focused more on undercutting Secretary Clinton’s legitimacy and crippling her presidency from its start, including by impugning the fairness of the election,” the report states.
The report was released shortly after Trump received a classified briefing on its contents at Trump Tower by Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, FBI Director James Comey and CIA Director John Brennan. Trump then released a public statement that avoided any mention of its principal conclusions — that the Russians sought to defeat his opponent and elect him — and focused instead on its finding that no actual vote tallies were compromised.
ICA_2017_01 by Yahoo News on Scribd
“While Russia, China, other countries, outside groups and people are consistently trying to break through the cyber infrastructure of our governmental institutions, businesses and organizations including the Democrat National Committee, there was absolutely no effect on the outcome of the election including the fact that there was no tampering whatsoever with voting machines,” Trump said in a statement. “There were attempts to hack the Republican National Committee, but the RNC had strong hacking defenses and the hackers were unsuccessful.” (The report notes that the Russians targeted both major political parties, but does not indicate whether it penetrated the Republican National Committee.)
Trump’s statement drew an immediate rebuke from Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., the ranking minority member on the House Intelligence Committee. “The president-elect’s statement that the Russian hacking had ‘absolutely no effect on the outcome of the election’ is not supported by the briefing, report or common sense,” he said. “It is one thing to say that there was no tampering with vote tallying — which is true — it is another thing to say that the daily dumping of documents disparaging to Secretary Clinton that was made possible by Russian cyber-operations had no effect on the campaigns. The consequence of these disclosures was hugely beneficial to the president-elect and damaging to the Clinton campaign, just as the Russians intended. Whether they had a decisive impact on the outcome will never be known and was certainly not the subject of the intelligence community’s analysis, but that they were of great consequence is undeniable.”
It’s far from clear that the report will settle the ongoing debate in Washington over the role of Moscow in the 2016 elections. It discloses little of the evidence that supports its conclusions, saying only as a general matter that intelligence analysts integrate information from “human sources, technical collection and open sources.” It says that making attribution in cyber-operations is “difficult but not impossible. Every kind of cyber-operation — malicious or not — leaves a trail.”
The report also indicates there was little dissent among the intelligence agencies about the findings. It says the entire intelligence community has “high confidence” that Putin ordered the influence and hacking campaign to “undermine public faith in the U.S. democratic process” and “denigrate” Clinton. On another major finding — that Putin and the Russian government intended to boost Trump — the CIA and FBI have “high confidence” in that conclusion. The National Security Agency has “moderate confidence” in that judgment.
Warning that the Russian operation portends a “new normal” in Russian efforts to undermine Western democracies, the report sounds an alarm about the danger that “Moscow will apply lessons learned from its campaign aimed at the US presidential election to future influence efforts in the United States and worldwide, including against US allies and their election processes.”
One of the more revealing sections of the report deals with RT, the Russian worldwide television network, which regularly airs programming denigrating the United States, including allegations that American elections are rigged and that the United States is a “surveillance state.” The Kremlin has invested $190 million a year in RT programming and now, according to its website, reaches more than 550 million people. The report notes that RT has “actively collaborated” with WikiLeaks; its editor-in-chief visited Assange at the Ecuadorean Embassy in London in August 2013 and reached an agreement to provide access to “new leaks of secret information.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-s-spy-agencies-detail-russias-role-in-boosting-trump-233520033.html
Nickdfresh
01-11-2017, 09:19 AM
John McCain passes FBI dossier alleging secret Trump-Russia contacts
Russian intelligence alleged to have compromising material on Trump
‘Unverified and potentially unverifiable’ reports published by BuzzFeed
http://www.hindustantimes.com/rf/image_size_960x540/HT/p2/2016/12/17/Pictures/russia-2016-us-election_2779bac8-c40c-11e6-913d-826c0833a15d.jpg
Donald Trump and his inner circle ‘have received a regular flow of intelligence from the Kremlin, including on his Democratic and other political rivals’, a report dated June 2016 alleges.
Julian Borger in Washington
Wednesday 11 January 2017 07.58 EST
Senator John McCain passed documents to the FBI director, James Comey, last month alleging secret contacts between the Trump campaign and Moscow and that Russian intelligence had personally compromising material on the president-elect himself.
The material, which has been seen by the Guardian, is a series of reports on Trump’s relationship with Moscow. They were drawn up by a former western counter-intelligence official, now working as a private consultant. BuzzFeed on Tuesday published the documents, which it said were “unverified and potentially unverifiable”.
The Guardian has not been able to confirm the veracity of the documents’ contents, and the Trump team has consistently denied any hidden contacts with the Russian government.
A spokesman for the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, on Wednesday denied Russia has collected compromising information on Trump and dismissed news reports as a “complete fabrication and utter nonsense”. Dmitry Peskov insisted that the Kremlin “does not engage in collecting compromising material”.
Trump’s transition team did not immediately respond to a request for comment, but late on Tuesday, Trump tweeted: “FAKE NEWS – A TOTAL POLITICAL WITCH HUNT!” He made no direct reference to the allegations.
James Comey refuses to tell Senate if FBI is investigating Trump-Russia links
An official in the US administration who spoke to the Guardian described the source who wrote the intelligence report as consistently reliable, meticulous and well-informed, with a reputation for having extensive Russian contacts.
Some of the reports – which are dated from 20 June to 20 October last year – also proved to be prescient, predicting events that happened after they were sent.
One report, dated June 2016, claims that the Kremlin has been cultivating, supporting and assisting Trump for at least five years, with the aim of encouraging “splits and divisions in western alliance”.
It claims that Trump had declined “various sweetener real estate deals offered him in Russia” especially in developments linked to the 2018 World Cup finals but that “he and his inner circle have accepted a regular flow of intelligence from the Kremlin, including on his Democratic and other political rivals.”
Most explosively, the report alleges: “FSB has compromised Trump through his activities in Moscow sufficiently to be able to blackmail him.” The president-elect has not responded to the allegations.
CNN reported on Tuesday that the FBI was still investigating the credibility of the documents but added that the intelligence chiefs had included a summary of the material in a secret briefing on Russian interference in the election delivered last week to Barack Obama and Donald Trump.
The emergence of the documents is potentially explosive, 10 days before Trump’s inauguration and on the eve of his first planned press conference since July last year.
Despite glowing references from US and foreign officials who have worked with the source, there are some errors in the reports. One describes the Moscow suburb of Barvikha as “reserved for the residences of the top leadership and their close associates”, but although it is a very expensive neighbourhood, there are no restrictions on who can own property there. The document also misspells the name of a Russian banking corporation.
The FBI does not normally make any comment on ongoing counter-intelligence investigations but was under increasing pressure from Democrats and some Republicans to act before the inauguration, particularly because of Comey’s announcement of a continuing investigation into Hillary Clinton’s email server 11 days before the election, which many of her supporters believe cost her the presidency.
The reports were initially commissioned as opposition research during the presidential campaign, but its author was sufficiently alarmed by what he discovered to send a copy to the FBI. It is unclear who within the organisation they reached and what action the bureau took. The former Democratic Senate leader, Harry Reid, has lambasted Comey for publicising investigations into Hillary Clinton’s private server, while allegedly sitting on “explosive” material on Trump’s ties to Russia.
Another Democratic senator, Ron Wyden, questioned Comey insistently at a Senate intelligence committee hearing on Tuesday on whether the FBI was pursuing leads on Trump campaign contacts with Russia.
“Has the FBI investigated these reported relationships?” Wyden asked.
Comey replied: “I would never comment on investigations … in a public forum.
The Guardian can confirm that the documents reached the top of the FBI by December. Senator John McCain, who was informed about the existence of the documents separately by an intermediary from a western allied state, dispatched an emissary overseas to meet the source and then decided to present the material to Comey in a one-on-one meeting on 9 December, according to a source aware of the meeting. The documents, which were first reported on last year by Mother Jones, are also in the hands of officials in the White House.
McCain is not thought to have made a judgment on the reliability of the documents but was sufficiently impressed by the source’s credentials to feel obliged to pass them to the FBI.
The Senate armed services committee, which Senator McCain chairs, launched an inquiry last week into Russian cyber-attacks during the election.
McCain was reluctant to get involved, according to a colleague, for fear the issue would be dismissed as a personal grudge against Trump. He pushed instead for the creation of a special Senate committee to look into connections between campaign staff and Moscow, but the proposal was blocked by the Republican leadership.
McCain told the NBC programme Meet the Press on Sunday: “I would like to see a select committee. Apparently that is not in agreement by our leadership. So we will move forward with the armed services committee and I’m sure foreign relations and intelligence committee will as well.”
But the senator added: “It is possible if enough information comes out, that that decision could be reversed. I still think it’s the best way to attack the issue.”
Asked on the same programme on whether an investigation was ongoing into campaign links to Moscow, Senator Lindsey Graham, another conservative Republican said: “I believe that it’s happening.”
According to the report passed to Comey, Russian intelligence allegedly gathered compromising material during Trump’s stay in Moscow in November 2013, when he was in the city to host the Miss Universe pageant.
Another report, dated 19 July last year said that Carter Page, a businessman named by Trump as one of his foreign policy advisers, had held a secret meeting that month with Igor Sechin, head of the Rosneft state-owned oil company and a long-serving lieutenant of Vladimir Putin. Page also allegedly met Igor Divyekin, an internal affairs official with a background in intelligence, who is said to have warned Page that Moscow had “kompromat” (compromising material) on Trump.
Two months later, allegations of Page’s meetings surfaced in the US media, attributed to intelligence sources, along with reports that he had been under FBI scrutiny.
Page, a vociferous supporter of the Kremlin line, was in Moscow in July to make a speech decrying western policy towards Russia. At the time he declined to say whether he had been in contact with Russian officials, but in September he rejected the reports as “garbage”.
The Guardian has learned that the FBI applied for a warrant from the foreign intelligence surveillance (Fisa) court over the summer in order to monitor four members of the Trump team suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials. The Fisa court turned down the application asking FBI counter-intelligence investigators to narrow its focus. According to one report, the FBI was finally granted a warrant in October, but that has not been confirmed, and it is not clear whether any warrant led to a full investigation.
A month after Trump’s surprise election victory, Page was back in Moscow saying he was meeting with “business leaders and thought leaders”, dismissing the FBI investigation as a “witch-hunt” and suggesting the Russian hacking of the Democratic Party alleged by US intelligence agencies, could be a false flag operation to incriminate Moscow.
Another of the reports compiled by the former western counter-intelligence official in July said that members of Trump’s team, which was led by campaign manager Paul Manafort (a former consultant for pro-Russian politicians in Ukraine), had knowledge of the DNC hacking operation, and in return “had agreed to sideline Russian intervention in Ukraine as a campaign issue and to raise US/Nato defence commitments in the Baltics and Eastern Europe to deflect attention away from Ukraine”.
A few days later, Trump raised the possibility that his administration might recognise Russia’s annexation of Crimea and openly called on Moscow to hack Hillary Clinton’s emails.
In August, officials from the Trump campaign intervened in the drafting of the Republican party platform, specifically to remove a call for lethal assistance to Ukraine for its battle against Moscow-backed eastern rebels.
Manafort stepped down in August as campaign manager and the campaign steadily distanced itself from Page. However, Trump’s praise of Putin and defence of Moscow’s actions in Ukraine and Syria remained one of the few constants in his campaign talking points.
Manafort has denied secret links with Moscow calling the allegation “an outrageous smear being driven by Harry Reid and the Clinton campaign”.
Since then, Trump has consistently cast doubt on Russian culpability for hacking the Democratic National Committee, defying a consensus of 17 national intelligence agencies. After Obama deported 35 Russian diplomats in retaliation for Moscow’s intervention, Trump praised Putin for not carrying out tit-for-tat deportations of US diplomats. “I always knew he was very smart,” he tweeted.
An FBI spokesman declined to comment after the CNN report.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/10/fbi-chief-given-dossier-by-john-mccain-alleging-secret-trump-russia-contacts
Nickdfresh
01-11-2017, 09:22 AM
See full "unverified" documents at BUZZFEED here. (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html)
Seems that Cheeto is a nasty little Oompa Loompa.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONBBPby2jRs
Nickdfresh
01-11-2017, 09:33 AM
So, I'm beginning to wonder what a Pence Presidency will look like... :)
Sadly it will probably be Koch Brothers/Ayn Rand economic policies combined with 7 mountains theocratic "Christian" shariah law.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C12rTzcWQAIxUKm.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C15TrxmWEAE9HOe.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWpVq2h9p5w
http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r589/duadmin/170111-if-putin-likes-trump-thats-called-an-asset_zps5m5pcl0p.jpg
:monekyl::meinsmiley::monekyr:
Seshmeister
01-11-2017, 08:36 PM
So, I'm beginning to wonder what a Pence Presidency will look like... :)
The thing about that if it happens though shows how uniquely shit both the US and UK electoral systems are.
We now have a PM who maybe 8-10% of the electorate would have actually voted for, Pence is similar - in an actual election against a sane candidate he is unelectable.
http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1581928/us-president-elect-donald-trump-speaks-during-news-conference-lobby-trump-tower-manhattan.jpg
I want you failing press losers to listen to me.....
I did NOT have urinal relations with those fucking Commie hookers!!!
Anybody who says I did, that's fake news. Bigly!!
jacksmar
01-11-2017, 09:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JFm1AeQZY8
an adult in the room vs the water boy.........
little marco indeed...
A treasonous shit bag who is destroying the planet is your idea of an "adult" in the room??
As for Rubio..... you voted for him, didn't you?
jacksmar
01-11-2017, 09:25 PM
TARD, you couldn't carry Tillerson's trash to the curb. rubio is an amnesty queen and anchor baby as far as i know.
but...........
the whole ridiculous premise of this thread is really funny: if the big red USSR wanted trump to win so bad,
how did granny rod ham get 3 million more votes?
and off topic:::wayyyyy off topic::::
what's that tinfoil on your head for????????????
Fuck Rexxon Drillerson in the ass with a sledgehammer, using his own toxic goo as lube.
As an oil industry pig alone, he is deserving of a slow painful death. As a fucking Communist agent on top of that, even more so.. And in either case, he is not REMOTELY qualified to be the Secretary of State.
jacksmar
01-11-2017, 09:39 PM
Fuck Rexxon Drillerson in the ass with a sledgehammer, using his own toxic goo as lube.
As an oil industry pig alone, he is deserving of a slow painful death. As a fucking Communist agent on top of that, even more so.. And in either case, he is not REMOTELY qualified to be the Secretary of State.
heh heh.... oilmen understand more than your little world can take in. they know the land the pipelines are going in, where the wells are, how the platfoms function and the politics going on in each 3rd world location and the shit balls running those 3rd world administrations. and oilmen get the deals done. it doesn't get much more complicated than iraq and russia. you're out of your league to comment. sit and watch, take your wrist out of your mouth, and pull your head out your ass so you can hear.....
if you want to comment on how the guy queered the boyscouts, well,,,, you and a few others here at the RA are more than qualified........
Nickdfresh
01-12-2017, 02:44 PM
TARD, you couldn't carry Tillerson's trash to the curb. rubio is an amnesty queen and anchor baby as far as i know.
but...........
the whole ridiculous premise of this thread is really funny: if the big red USSR wanted trump to win so bad,
how did granny rod ham get 3 million more votes?
and off topic:::wayyyyy off topic::::
what's that tinfoil on your head for????????????
Stellar typical third grade writing style of a drunken lunatic. It's called the electoral system...
Von Halen
01-12-2017, 02:50 PM
Stellar typical third grade writing style of a drunken lunatic. It's called the electoral system...
http://i.imgur.com/2yYgPzl.jpg
silverfish
01-12-2017, 03:05 PM
"...The election ended a long time ago in one of the biggest Electoral College victories in history..."
Nate Silver puts that "landslide" comment into perspective by ranking the winners' share of all 54 elections.
[Spoiler - Trumps comes in at 44 of 54 - I think that qualifies as a Fleetwood Mac Landslide.]
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/war-is-peace-freedom-is-slavery-trump-won-in-a-landslide/
Nickdfresh
01-12-2017, 06:13 PM
http://i.imgur.com/2yYgPzl.jpg
Oh Von, will you protest when Trump is dumped?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwcHRScpKnk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOsvwayzeXo
jacksmar
01-19-2017, 07:00 AM
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--yHEySnC3--/c_fill,fl_progressive,g_center,h_450,q_80,w_800/qvsvzqbmet5irplq5koo.jpg
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/suspected-russia-based-dnc-hackers-strike-again-targeting-washington-think-tanks-1578620
Nitro Express
01-25-2017, 12:15 AM
In this case, I think the content of the hacked emails was more important than who actually committed this little bit of espionage. And it doesn't take a super genius to hack someone's email or whatever online account. Is Russia actually spying on the US (yes, duh) and did Putin himself want to put a virtual knife in Hill Dawg's campaign? Maybe. But all this crying about these emails "influencing the election" would be oddly absent if Bernie had been able to capitalize on them and had won the election.
The issue here is what was in the emails. Some of it was absolutely conspiratorial and there were smoking guns all over the place showing how Hill Dawg's campaign actively worked to disrupt both Bernie's and Trump's campaigns. And yet there's a couple million idiots out there crying in the streets because one of the single most dishonest woman hating cunts on the planet who would sell out every gay in this country by flooding the joint with people who despise them didn't win.
And lest anyone think the Russians are the ultimate bad guys for hacking these emails, every country in the West that has the capability is doing the same thing right now. And why haven't these idiots whose emails have been hacked learned years ago that if you're going to plot against someone you never write anything down.
Yup. It still swings back to Hillary keeping classified material on a unsecured private server and her using her high office to sell favors. I would say Hillary selling our uranium to Russia tops a questionable story about golden showers.
Nitro Express
01-25-2017, 12:23 AM
http://i.faketrumptweet.com/1giyd74avl_e22y7f.png
I had some Russian Standard vodka the other night. I didn't like it. I have been drinking Stolichnaya for years. One of my favorites but it's really not Russian anymore. Sure the grain it's distilled from is grown in Russia but the vodka is actually bottled in Latvia. I like to take a bottle of Stoli, stick it in the snow, sit in the hot tub and look at a clear starry sky sipping chilled vodka.
Nitro Express
01-25-2017, 12:28 AM
Well... at the risk of sounding like a John Birch Society right wing wackjob, circa 1968 or so.....
If Cheeto loves Putin and Russia so goddamn much, he should fucking move there!!
Actually I think Cheeto wants good relations with Russia to counter China. Trump wants good relations with countries that surround China. The war hawk neo-cons want to keep Russia an enemy. Russia isn't hurting us as much as China. Putin is easy to control. He has an oil economy. His eggs are in one basket. We can crash his bonds anytime.
cadaverdog
01-25-2017, 01:07 AM
Actually I think Cheeto wants good relations with Russia to counter China.
I don't understand why some people think that's such a bad idea. Especially the part about working with Putin to fight ISIS, The ISIL or whoever those goat fucking bastards are.
Seshmeister
01-25-2017, 08:58 AM
I had some Russian Standard vodka the other night. I didn't like it. I have been drinking Stolichnaya for years. One of my favorites but it's really not Russian anymore. Sure the grain it's distilled from is grown in Russia but the vodka is actually bottled in Latvia. I like to take a bottle of Stoli, stick it in the snow, sit in the hot tub and look at a clear starry sky sipping chilled vodka.
For some reason the best vodka seems to come from France these days. For years the problem with Stoli was the cap which would leak but I think they finally fixed that.
Nitro Express
01-25-2017, 11:47 AM
For some reason the best vodka seems to come from France these days. For years the problem with Stoli was the cap which would leak but I think they finally fixed that.
I have a friend who likes a vodka out of France made of grapes. I haven't tried it yet. I heard people liked Tito's vodka which is corn based. Tried some. Not bad. They make a lot of potato vodka over in Idaho. It's ok some people love it but I still like the vodkas made of grain. For me chilled Stoli is still my favorite and yes they have improved their packaging. No problems with the caps anymore.
Nitro Express
01-25-2017, 11:58 AM
I don't understand why some people think that's such a bad idea. Especially the part about working with Putin to fight ISIS, The ISIL or whoever those goat fucking bastards are.
Yup. China is who is aggressive right now. They lost me when Chinese officials came to our condominium building in Salt Lake during the olympics and demanded a resident take down a Tibetan flag off their balcony. The homeowners association decided to have everyone hang a foreign flag off their balconies during the olympics. The Chinese were acting like they ran the place. I never trusted them. Let me tell you, the three years I spent in Hong Kong I heard horror stories about what the PRC did to people. I think they just played nice for awhile to build themselves up but the head honchos are still communist and not our friends. They are getting aggressive in the South China sea and breaking international law. Russia in comparison is not as big of a potential threat and we can control Russia and they seem willing to talk. So I think Trump's strategy was the same as Nixon's strategy but instead of opening relations with the Chinese to counter the Soviets Trump wants to open relations with Russia to counter China. Sure Putin is a dictator but so is the guy who runs Singapore. Having been to Russia three times I would say Putin's Russia is better than Breznev's Russia or Yeltsin's Russia. At least with Putin I would say the average Russian is better off than the previous two leaders. Most the world is under dictatorship and that's the reality of it. If you are going to play geopolitics you are going to break bread with dictators some being better than others.
vandeleur
01-25-2017, 12:07 PM
For some reason the best vodka seems to come from France these days. For years the problem with Stoli was the cap which would leak but I think they finally fixed that.
Like you leave some for next time :biggrin:
Nitro Express
01-25-2017, 12:14 PM
https://youtu.be/-1zRDTlYbd4
Vodka makes a boring work day cruise along better.
Nickdfresh
01-25-2017, 12:57 PM
For some reason the best vodka seems to come from France these days. For years the problem with Stoli was the cap which would leak but I think they finally fixed that.
I concur. I don't drink vodka often, but when I do:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ef/C%C3%AEroc_vodka.jpg
Nickdfresh
01-25-2017, 12:59 PM
Notice vaguely urine shaded bottle:
http://incrediblewinestore.com/ProductImages/633232952986112465.jpg
It's the bestest, greatest, biggliest vodka of all time!
vandeleur
01-25-2017, 01:05 PM
If I drink vodka at the local witherspoons ... notorious cheap pub chain , I drink absolote and yeah I read an article about it being pretty shitty but to be honest it's in fresh orange and downed in one :)
c-dog buys his vodka at Big Lots. Of course it turns out that Big Lots doesn't actually sell booze, and he was really buying rubbing alcohol, but after drinking a few shots, he couldn't tell the difference :beers:
cadaverdog
01-25-2017, 06:53 PM
c-dog buys his vodka at Big Lots. Of course it turns out that Big Lots doesn't actually sell booze, and he was really buying rubbing alcohol, but after drinking a few shots, he couldn't tell the difference :beers:
I said wine from Pic N Save not vodka from Big Lots. Big Lots bought Pic N Save but I guess they decided not to sell booze there. Rubbing alcohol is good stuff. Have a couple shots sometime.
The local Big Lots was a Pic N Save when it first opened. They never had drinking alcohol there of any kind. And considering the quality (or lack there of) of most of the stuff they sell there, I'm not sure I would want to drink it even if they did.
cadaverdog
01-26-2017, 01:21 AM
The local Big Lots was a Pic N Save when it first opened. They never had drinking alcohol there of any kind. And considering the quality (or lack there of) of most of the stuff they sell there, I'm not sure I would want to drink it even if they did.
http://articles.latimes.com/keyword/pic-n-save-stores-inc
Haven't found proof Pic N Save sold booze in California yet but here's evidence they tried to.
cadaverdog
01-26-2017, 01:26 AM
They sold it in Florida too.
http://www.leagle.com/decision/1992846601So2d245_1833/PIC%20N'%20SAVE%20v.%20DEPT.%20OF%20BUSINESS%20REG .?
Nitro Express
01-26-2017, 01:30 AM
The local Big Lots was a Pic N Save when it first opened. They never had drinking alcohol there of any kind. And considering the quality (or lack there of) of most of the stuff they sell there, I'm not sure I would want to drink it even if they did.
Ha! My wife worked at the Pic N Save in Issaquah when she was in high school. Man. We went back there this year and didn't even recognize the place. Went and saw Billy Joel at Safeco Stadium. It was a great show. Billy is still worth seeing live.
Nitro Express
01-26-2017, 01:36 AM
I concur. I don't drink vodka often, but when I do:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ef/C%C3%AEroc_vodka.jpg
I hear it's good. Haven't tried it yet.
Nitro Express
01-26-2017, 01:39 AM
Notice vaguely urine shaded bottle:
http://incrediblewinestore.com/ProductImages/633232952986112465.jpg
It's the bestest, greatest, biggliest vodka of all time!
That's a hot item. It's the next Billy Beer.
cadaverdog
01-26-2017, 01:41 AM
c-dog buys his vodka at Big Lots. Of course it turns out that Big Lots doesn't actually sell booze, and he was really buying rubbing alcohol, but after drinking a few shots, he couldn't tell the difference :beers:
https://www.thebalance.com/big-lots-buzz-club-loyalty-rewards-2892064
Even thought I don't remember posting anything about buying booze at Big Lots they do indeed sell it. Now you can get back to pissing and moaning about Donald Trump.
cadaverdog
01-26-2017, 02:01 AM
I hear it's good. Haven't tried it yet.
Consider Vodka is alcohol and water how much different can one brand taste from another? Unless it flavored Vodka doesn't it all taste about the same?
cadaverdog
01-26-2017, 02:50 AM
Ha! My wife worked at the Pic N Save in Issaquah when she was in high school. Man. We went back there this year and didn't even recognize the place. Went and saw Billy Joel at Safeco Stadium. It was a great show. Billy is still worth seeing live.
This area took some getting used to but I'm more content living here now than I was when I came here in 09. Unfortunately it's going down hill fast because they built low rent apartments across the tracks and a bunch of crackheads moved there. Now they come across the tracks at night and steal anything that's not tied down which is easy because most people around her don't put fences around their property and don't bother locking their garages because they've lived here their whole lives and have gotten used to trusting their neighbors not to steal their shit.
Nitro Express
01-26-2017, 03:17 AM
Consider Vodka is alcohol and water how much different can one brand taste from another? Unless it flavored Vodka doesn't it all taste about the same?
You would think they wouldn't differ that much but when I started drinking different kinds of vodkas I was amazed at how much they differed. Russian Standard is very different from Stolichnaya for example and both are Russian recipe vodkas. It's water and ethanol most being 80 proof but it's the different trace elements that give them their unique character.
Nitro Express
01-26-2017, 03:26 AM
This area took some getting used to but I'm more content living here now than I was when I came here in 09. Unfortunately it's going down hill fast because they built low rent apartments across the tracks and a bunch of crackheads moved there. Now they come across the tracks at night and steal anything that's not tied down which is easy because most people around her don't put fences around their property and don't bother locking their garages because they've lived here their whole lives and have gotten used to trusting their neighbors not to steal their shit.
Are you still in Texas? We have a family reunion in Galveston in June. We just rented a beach house for it. Yeah we didn't lock our doors when I was a kid. I didn't even have a key to the house. The mailman would give us bags of candy too. The good ol days. Now my hometown is a upper class getaway. In fact John Kerry has a vacation house not far from the house I grew up in. It's a different place now. Pretty snobby now and in the 70's it was more friendly but then the rich people stayed over in Sun Valley more and not Ketchum.
cadaverdog
01-26-2017, 03:56 AM
Are you still in Texas? We have a family reunion in Galveston in June. We just rented a beach house for it. Yeah we didn't lock our doors when I was a kid. I didn't even have a key to the house. The mailman would give us bags of candy too. The good ol days. Now my hometown is a upper class getaway. In fact John Kerry has a vacation house not far from the house I grew up in. It's a different place now. Pretty snobby now and in the 70's it was more friendly but then the rich people stayed over in Sun Valley more and not Ketchum.
I live in Louisiana but the nearest big town is in Texas. Galveston's a little over 100 miles away if I take the ferry from Port Arthur. Last time I went there I got eaten alive by mosquitos waiting for the ferry. LT doesn't live far from here either.
cadaverdog
01-26-2017, 04:04 AM
You would think they wouldn't differ that much but when I started drinking different kinds of vodkas I was amazed at how much they differed. Russian Standard is very different from Stolichnaya for example and both are Russian recipe vodkas. It's water and ethanol most being 80 proof but it's the different trace elements that give them their unique character.
I've drank enough whiskey and tequila to tell the good stuff from the cheap stuff but vodka tastes about the same to me whether it's generic or top shelf.
Nickdfresh
01-26-2017, 09:58 AM
The local Big Lots was a Pic N Save when it first opened. They never had drinking alcohol there of any kind. And considering the quality (or lack there of) of most of the stuff they sell there, I'm not sure I would want to drink it even if they did.
The Aldis here used to sell surplus German beer but no more in NY alas...
Nickdfresh
01-26-2017, 10:04 AM
I hear it's good. Haven't tried it yet.
A slight grapeish after taste...
Nickdfresh
01-26-2017, 10:29 AM
Consider Vodka is alcohol and water how much different can one brand taste from another? Unless it flavored Vodka doesn't it all taste about the same?
It's distilled from different things like grapes (France), wheat, or potatoes. So that alone will give slight flavor variations. My mom sometimes buys rot gut bar vodka and I notice it has sort of a sweet vanilla aftertaste I presume is some sort of flavoring to mask the harshness. Also friends of the family distill vodka in Buffalo at www.barrelfactory.com and I suspect the lead distiller might punch you in the nuts if he heard it's all the same...
The Aldis here used to sell surplus German beer but no more in NY alas...
No Aldis in Cascadia yet. Apparently they're in California now, so in theory they should work their way up the West Coast eventually.... depending on how horribly the economy tanks under Orangeification.
Seshmeister
01-26-2017, 11:19 AM
I've drank enough whiskey and tequila to tell the good stuff from the cheap stuff but vodka tastes about the same to me whether it's generic or top shelf.
Well you haven't drunk enough of it yet then. :)
Nitro Express
01-26-2017, 12:43 PM
I live in Louisiana but the nearest big town is in Texas. Galveston's a little over 100 miles away if I take the ferry from Port Arthur. Last time I went there I got eaten alive by mosquitos waiting for the ferry. LT doesn't live far from here either.
My father in law went to high school in Port Arthur. He grew up on a farm around there. So I guess part of the reunion is we are going to check out the old homestead. The family still owns the farm. They used to grow water melons on it. It looks like swampy area. Should be hot and humid in June and yeah I bet the mosquitos get bad.
Nitro Express
01-26-2017, 12:49 PM
It's distilled from different things like grapes (France), wheat, or potatoes. So that alone will give slight flavor variations. My mom sometimes buys rot gut bar vodka and I notice it has sort of a sweet vanilla aftertaste I presume is some sort of flavoring to mask the harshness. Also friends of the family distill vodka in Buffalo at www.barrelfactory.com and I suspect the lead distiller might punch you in the nuts if he heard it's all the same...
The cheap vodka out of Hood River Distillers in Oregon isn't half bad. We used to party down on Lord Rothschild vodka in high school. We were drinking some in a movie theater and we knocked the bottle over and it goes rolling down the floor. The dude in front of us sees it, grabs it, looks at us kids gives us a stern look and keeps it. Never ratted us out though. He probably drank it.
cadaverdog
01-26-2017, 01:16 PM
The cheap vodka out of Hood River Distillers in Oregon isn't half bad. We used to party down on Lord Rothschild vodka in high school. We were drinking some in a movie theater and we knocked the bottle over and it goes rolling down the floor. The dude in front of us sees it, grabs it, looks at us kids gives us a stern look and keeps it. Never ratted us out though. He probably drank it.
Store brand vodka was good enough for me if me if I trying to get a booze buzz on when I was a youngster. I used to buy generic beer too.
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