Hippy Gov vs Trump Administration

[jacksmar]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/26/us/california-climate-change-jerry-brown-donald-trump.html?_r=0

California, at Forefront of Climate Fight, Won’t Back Down to Trump

“We’ve got the lawyers and we’ve got the scientists and are ready to fight,” Mr. Brown declared in a speech in San Francisco earlier this month to the American Geophysical Union. “We’re ready to win.”

[qikgts]

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/business/2016/12/27/kasich-energy-legislation.html

Kasich Vetoes Bill Weakening Clean-Energy Standards

Gov. John Kasich has vetoed a bill that would weaken the state's clean-energy standards, saying that the measure "amounts to self-inflicted damage to both our state's near- and long-term economic competitiveness."

[FORD]

Wow, even a life-long ALEC member like Kasich is finally waking up to the reality of climate change. Is it too late for him to accept the Trump kids' offer and put him in as "vice" President instead of Pence?

Sure, he would still be wrong on most other things, but at this point even partial sanity would be an upgrade.

[twonabomber]

Supposedly we're getting wind turbines out on the lake. Contractors and component manufacturers are already lining up.

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2016/12/leedcos_icebreaker_still_regis_1.html

[FORD]

It's really too bad that they can't find somebody locally (or at least from somewhere in Ohio) who can build them, rather than hiring a bunch of Norwegians to do it. Not that the Norwegians wouldn't do quality work, more than likely, but boosting the local economy should be as much as a benefit from energy & infrastructure projects as the clean energy itself is.

[twonabomber]

That was my first thought but I guess there is a big turbine installation in Norway that the same company built. I don't think I'd want First Energy handling this project. They have enough trouble with their nuke plants.

They're planning on having the components made in state. When Cedar Point has a new coaster built the tracks are made at a shop near Cincinnati.

[jacksmar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSgncpqWtE

[Seshmeister]

That was my first thought but I guess there is a big turbine installation in Norway that the same company built. I don't think I'd want First Energy handling this project. They have enough trouble with their nuke plants.

They're planning on having the components made in state. When Cedar Point has a new coaster built the tracks are made at a shop near Cincinnati.

Norway funded a massive renewable program by selling billions of barrels of their oil to other countries as though they somehow live on a different planet.

I guess their argument would be that the benefits will come in the future and selling their tech to us now would be part of that.

[Nickdfresh]

Supposedly we're getting wind turbines out on the lake. Contractors and component manufacturers are already lining up.

http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2016/12/leedcos_icebreaker_still_regis_1.html

http://realneo.us/system/files/Clipper-wind-turbines,-Lack.jpg
Been here for a awhile...

[twonabomber]

I've seen those on the way to TO.

The turbines here will be 7 to 10 miles off downtown Cleveland.

[jacksmar]

Gov moonbeam: Bankrupt California leftists vow to fight Trump with the last dime of your money.

bullshit facts and bullshit evidence and repeating the same bullshit mantra over and over again.......(cow farts)

if it's settled science, pull all the grant money from the universities and research labs.



And.........
has anyone noticed the large number of backyard barbecuing, smoking car driving, tv watching, water drinking illegal aliens, that contribute to global warming? Does that just happen in miami?

[Seshmeister]

I'm so sorry, this is just terrible and a shameful indictment on the US education system.

You can at least read and write which is something, can I ask what education did you get?

[jacksmar]

I'm so sorry, this is just terrible and a shameful indictment on the US education system.

You can at least read and write which is something, can I ask what education did you get?

Your inability to see the humor in the poor grammar and improper sentences is a direct reflection of a simpleton taking himself too seriously. As usual, you didn't address the issue and took issue with an education system that has produced the finest minority criminals and illiterate malcontents.

As to my education, I have worthless computer engineering degree and a minor degree as a business major. Both of these degrees were denigrated by one of the site moderators.

In 2008, I shuttered a business in Tampa due to the incoming administration and their socialist view of how I earned my my living and chose to distribute company earnings. For example, the Gibson Guitar company experienced the same adjudication I would have been subjected to and this was due to their political ideology with regard to Gibson's principled and well founded beliefs.


Save the feigned indignation for the leftists that have no goals and are dependent on public tax dollars for their existence but more importantly have allowed their lives to be affected by the judgement of others and their collective opinions.

[jacksmar]

following up that self serving diatribe..........

just to recap the bullshit...........


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/And-global-COOLING-Return-Arctic-ice-cap-grows-29-year.html


And now it's global COOLING! Return of Arctic ice cap as it grows by 29% in a year

533,000 more square miles of ocean covered with ice than in 2012

BBC reported in 2007 global warming would leave Arctic ice-free in summer by 2013

Publication of UN climate change report suggesting global warming caused by humans pushed back to later this month

A chilly Arctic summer has left 533,000 more square miles of ocean covered with ice than at the same time last year – an increase of 29 per cent.

The rebound from 2012’s record low comes six years after the BBC reported that global warming would leave the Arctic ice-free in summer by 2013.

[Seshmeister]

Why are you pulling an article from 3 years ago in the Daily Mail (the UK National Enquirer) about Artic ice coverage when it is currently at the lowest it's ever been?

You are not a climate scientist and neither am I. Where your education system has failed you is that you don't know how the scientific method works. You don't understand global science and how it is funded and by whom. You don't understand the motivation of scientists and you refuse to consider that fossil fuel companies have been campaigning and feeding propaganda and doubt into the system.

If we had the internet in the 1970s you would have been the guy shouting that lung cancer caused by smoking was a hoax and just an excuse to tax cigarettes.

[Nickdfresh]

Norway funded a massive renewable program by selling billions of barrels of their oil to other countries as though they somehow live on a different planet.

I guess their argument would be that the benefits will come in the future and selling their tech to us now would be part of that.


I used to post on a motor oil/automotive site. A 5L jug of synthetic motor oil is like nearly $100 in Norway. We can go to Walmart and buy the same here for like $23 and get a $10-12 rebate on it! Crazy...

[Nickdfresh]

Gov moonbeam: Bankrupt California leftists vow to fight Trump with the last dime of your money.

bullshit facts and bullshit evidence and repeating the same bullshit mantra over and over again.......(cow farts)

if it's settled science, pull all the grant money from the universities and research labs.



And.........
has anyone noticed the large number of backyard barbecuing, smoking car driving, tv watching, water drinking illegal aliens, that contribute to global warming? Does that just happen in miami?

Go for a fucking swim you pedantic moron!
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/517/111/fbd.jpg

[Nickdfresh]

...
As to my education, I have worthless computer engineering degree and a minor degree as a business major. Both of these degrees were denigrated by one of the site moderators.

...

Anything left in that bottle?

[Nickdfresh]

following up that self serving diatribe..........

just to recap the bullshit...........


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/And-global-COOLING-Return-Arctic-ice-cap-grows-29-year.html


And now it's global COOLING! Return of Arctic ice cap as it grows by 29% in a year

533,000 more square miles of ocean covered with ice than in 2012
...

Well my dumbfuckistanian, the "arctic ice" is not the same. It's thin ice covering the surface not the same thick ice that was eons old that has melted. It's the shitty thin ice that ebbs and flows...

Another climate denier shithead red herring...

[Seshmeister]

I used to post on a motor oil/automotive site. A 5L jug of synthetic motor oil is like nearly $100 in Norway. We can go to Walmart and buy the same here for like $23 and get a $10-12 rebate on it! Crazy...

At the same time they are/were giving $50k subsidies to anyone if you bought a new Tesla.

Talking of which here is one predicting an accident before it happens and braking.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_c5kB1qbjY

[Von Halen]

Let me guess, once everybody in the world is driving a battery powered car, the "global warming" issues will be cured.

How are you going to recharge these batteries? With electricity from a windmill? Ha ha ha ha ha!!

How are you going to dispose of these batteries? Batteries in general are an environmental nightmare. Hell, they can't even get a little ole cell phone battery to survive long, or keep from blowing up. So, I can imagine a landfill full of dead Tesla batteries will be a great thing!

How are you going to maintain the motors in the windmills, that require oil, grease and lubricants? What are you going to do with these hulking pieces of shit when they inevitably become giant rusting eyesores? How are you going to resolve the mold issues that I know for a fact is an issue with them? (Yes, I know this isn't publicly talked about, as it is being swept under the rug by the people making the money off these things.)

But hey, you dumbfucks keep believing what you're being told, because it's what you think you want to hear. If you live long enough, you'll find out you've been scammed yet again by those controlling the purse strings.

[FORD]

Let me guess, once everybody in the world is driving a battery powered car, the "global warming" issues will be cured.

No, but it certainly would be a big step in the right direction.


How are you going to recharge these batteries? With electricity from a windmill? Ha ha ha ha ha!!

I'm already on record as saying that the goal should be for every home to have their own car recharging station powered by wind, solar, or both.


How are you going to dispose of these batteries? Batteries in general are an environmental nightmare. Hell, they can't even get a little ole cell phone battery to survive long, or keep from blowing up. So, I can imagine a landfill full of dead Tesla batteries will be a great thing!

Fair question. Batteries are the most problematic issue when it comes to electric vehicles. Why don't we take some of the billion dollars wasted on wars for perpetuating 18th century oil technology, and instead spend it on research to solve 21st century problems, like battery disposal, or preventing them from occasionally torching themselves.


How are you going to maintain the motors in the windmills, that require oil, grease and lubricants?

Make them from domestically grown Hemp, rather than dead dinosaurs & long ago rotted plants, buried under Muslim shitholes.


What are you going to do with these hulking pieces of shit when they inevitably become giant rusting eyesores? How are you going to resolve the mold issues that I know for a fact is an issue with them? (Yes, I know this isn't publicly talked about, as it is being swept under the rug by the people making the money off these things.)

http://www.mnn.com/your-home/at-home/stories/kill-mold-naturally-5-eco-friendly-ideas

[twonabomber]

I'd be all over a Tesla Roadster

http://jalopnik.com/elon-musk-tweets-that-the-tesla-roadster-will-be-back-e-1790588307

[cadaverdog]

I used to post on a motor oil/automotive site. A 5L jug of synthetic motor oil is like nearly $100 in Norway. We can go to Walmart and buy the same here for like $23 and get a $10-12 rebate on it! Crazy...
I hate rebates unless they're instant. I'd just as soon get a free oil filter or one of those drain pans that double as a container to take your oil back to the store to get rid of it.

[FORD]

Last time I got one of those disposable drain pans the goddamn thing leaked on the way to the hazmat center at the county garbage dump. Great idea in principle, but if you cant transport it to where ever you're going to dispose of it, that's a problem.

[cadaverdog]

Last time I got one of those disposable drain pans the goddamn thing leaked on the way to the hazmat center at the county garbage dump. Great idea in principle, but if you cant transport it to where ever you're going to dispose of it, that's a problem.
I prefer the reusable ones but I usually just pour my used oil into the jug my new oil came in so I can just set it behind the local AutoZone and let them handle it.

[twonabomber]

I have a Motive Power Extractor for the car

https://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/mediumlarge/mvp-1708_ml.jpg

and dump the oil back into the Mobil jugs. My friend has a 55 gallon drum at his shop, another shop picks up the full drum and they burn the waste oil.

The Jeeps are all tall enough for me to roll my F A T ass under but that used oil goes in the same drum.

Brake and other fluids get collected twice a year at hazmat collection day. Save your old washer fluid bottles and rinse them well, then transfer oil or whatever into them. I wouldn't trust the lids on the collection pans for transit.

[Nickdfresh]

I hate rebates unless they're instant. I'd just as soon get a free oil filter or one of those drain pans that double as a container to take your oil back to the store to get rid of it.

A lot of them are uploads now and pretty much hassle free...

[Nickdfresh]

I have a Motive Power Extractor for the car

https://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/mediumlarge/mvp-1708_ml.jpg

and dump the oil back into the Mobil jugs. My friend has a 55 gallon drum at his shop, another shop picks up the full drum and they burn the waste oil.

The Jeeps are all tall enough for me to roll my F A T ass under but that used oil goes in the same drum.

Brake and other fluids get collected twice a year at hazmat collection day. Save your old washer fluid bottles and rinse them well, then transfer oil or whatever into them. I wouldn't trust the lids on the collection pans for transit.

The local oil and gas company, Noco, comes around and takes the oil (most to the dirty oil here) and either burns it to heat/power their factory or recycles it...

I've heard good things about the power extractor but I would be neurotic not draining the old oil out as I'd be worried about sediment building up in the bottom of the pan...

[twonabomber]

If (when) I get a lift I'll get the car in the air. Until then the extractor will have to do.

I have their power brake bleeder as well. that thing is equally as awesome. No need for a helper. Pump it up and make your way around the car, brakes bled in no time.

[cadaverdog]

If (when) I get a lift I'll get the car in the air. Until then the extractor will have to do.


What about the filter?

[twonabomber]

Filter is on top of the engine, I can get that.

[Von Halen]

No, but it certainly would be a big step in the right direction.

Really? How? Please be specific. In your own words, not some internet bullshit you've read, or want to try to link me too. Enlighten me on the inefficiencies of the internal combustion engine while you're on a roll with your own words.



I'm already on record as saying that the goal should be for every home to have their own car recharging station powered by wind, solar, or both.

Sounds economically feasible. Should every apartment be required to have one too? Attached condo's? I'm sure the electric companies would rather you make your own electricity, as opposed to buying theirs.


Fair question. Batteries are the most problematic issue when it comes to electric vehicles. Why don't we take some of the billion dollars wasted on wars for perpetuating 18th century oil technology, and instead spend it on research to solve 21st century problems, like battery disposal, or preventing them from occasionally torching themselves.

Great idea. Spend our money on batteries, instead of defense. Because the rest of the world can be trusted. I'm sure they'd never wait until we fell way behind, because we're working on batteries, and then attack us.


Make them from domestically grown Hemp, rather than dead dinosaurs & long ago rotted plants, buried under Muslim shitholes.

Yep, that's gonna happen. :rolleyes:



http://www.mnn.com/your-home/at-home/stories/kill-mold-naturally-5-eco-friendly-ideas

Clean the mold off these things with vinegar? Ha ha ha! Dry ice is fucking CO2. We cleaned those fucking hulking piece of shit monstrosities, and the mold came back in short order. It would be a full time job for an army of people to clean one fucking windmill farm. Have you ever stood under one of these things? Do you realize exactly how big they are? Do you know how dangerous it is to even get up to the top of them? Do you realize what kind of machinery is required just to get to the blades to clean them? Oh, wait, maybe we can send guys up in battery powered Power Wheels machines to do that job! Ha ha ha! All sounds so fucking easy from a KEYBOARD! Keep typing FORD! Not to mention, you addressed the mold issue, rather lamely if I don't say so myself, but you did address it. But what about the rusting hulks these fuckers are going to become, in not that long of a time frame? They're made of steel. Probably the cheapest Chinese steel the manufacturers can find. Those fuckers have zero chance of standing the test of time.

Last but not least. How many kilowatts are one of those gigantic hunks of shit putting out, if it is working 100%, which they rarely do?

[twonabomber]

I thought they lowered the blades down?

[jacksmar]

[QUOTE=Nickdfresh;1920843]Go for a fucking swim you pedantic moron!
QUOTE]


got any nude pictures of your wife, professor?

[jacksmar]

Well my dumbfuckistanian, the "arctic ice" is not the same. It's thin ice covering the surface not the same thick ice that was eons old that has melted. It's the shitty thin ice that ebbs and flows...


ebbs and flows.. according to you socialist fuckups, it was supposed to be ice-free....

makeup your tiny little mind, professor........


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2738653/Stunning-satellite-images-summer-ice-cap-thicker-covers-1-7million-square-kilometres-MORE-2-years-ago-despite-Al-Gore-s-prediction-ICE-FREE-now.html#ixzz3BvoRcDxn


The speech by former US Vice-President Al Gore was apocalyptic. ‘The North Polar ice cap is falling off a cliff,’ he said. ‘It could be completely gone in summer in as little as seven years. Seven years from now.’

Those comments came in 2007 as Mr Gore accepted the Nobel Peace Prize for his campaigning on climate change.

The most widely used measurements of Arctic ice extent are the daily satellite readings issued by the US National Snow and Ice Data Center, which is co-funded by Nasa. These reveal that – while the long-term trend still shows a decline – last Monday, August 25, the area of the Arctic Ocean with at least 15 per cent ice cover was 5.62 million square kilometres.

This was the highest level recorded on that date since 2006 (see graph, right), and represents an increase of 1.71 million square kilometres over the past two years – an impressive 43 per cent.

[jacksmar]

Why are you pulling an article from 3 years ago in the Daily Mail (the UK National Enquirer) about Artic ice coverage when it is currently at the lowest it's ever been?



same bullshit....different year..........

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vJz41fofy0k/VQXNF7Apd9I/AAAAAAAAC34/AljPAlRyu1U/s1600/time_covers.jpg

[Seshmeister]

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p180x540/15697266_10202630934530713_6748160448471503454_n.j pg?oh=9798985404c29b35fb33570d7256e53c&oe=58F1ED31

[cadaverdog]

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p180x540/15697266_10202630934530713_6748160448471503454_n.j pg?oh=9798985404c29b35fb33570d7256e53c&oe=58F1ED31
Don't know why you posted this but it is true airplanes of that era couldn't have flown from Japan to Pearl Harbor even taking the short route. That's why they used carrier based airplanes.

[Nickdfresh]

[QUOTE=Nickdfresh;1920843]Go for a fucking swim you pedantic moron!
QUOTE]


got any nude pictures of your wife, professor?

What would do with them, whiskey dick?

[Von Halen]

I thought they lowered the blades down?

Are you serious?

[twonabomber]

I saw some diagram that showed a crane in the enclosure at the top. This was a few years ago.

Or does the back open and there's a hoist to raise and lower parts? Maybe that's what I saw.

[FORD]

What would do with them, whiskey dick?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jzdikbi9yE

[qikgts]

It would be a full time job for an army of people to clean one fucking windmill farm. Have you ever stood under one of these things? Do you realize exactly how big they are? Do you know how dangerous it is to even get up to the top of them? Do you realize what kind of machinery is required just to get to the blades to clean them?

I know this wasn't directed at me but I felt compelled to respond. From what I've seen, windmill blades can be and are cleaned via helicopter. In many instances it takes a crew of 6 about 2 hours per turbine. These are the same helicopters and pilots that fly out to clean high tension power line isolators and bring linemen to the wire to service them hundreds of feet in the air.

There are also crews that do it the "old fashioned way" via ropes and platforms. They climb up the ladders that are inside of them the way workers climb cell towers and municipal water tanks. Is it dangerous? Yeah, so is washing windows on skyscrapers in Manhattan but the job gets done. People do this stuff every day.

Sure, it sucks that maintaining them costs something but I gotta believe it's far from the most expensive part of ownership and one that I can't see being prohibitive.

[jacksmar]

[QUOTE=jacksmar;1920879]

What would do with them, whiskey dick?

that's personal..........

way over the line...........

[cadaverdog]

I lived just a couple miles from the largest wind farm in the US for close to 30 years. My dad owned a small parcel of land within the Oak Creek wind farm area that was mainly unusable. When he decided to sell it he found out there was a wind generator on it already. He could have stuck it to them but settled for a lot less than he should have. He was afraid the state would just nullify his deed and let the wind farm have the property for free. He was probably right.

[cadaverdog]

I saw some diagram that showed a crane in the enclosure at the top. This was a few years ago.

Or does the back open and there's a hoist to raise and lower parts? Maybe that's what I saw.
Most modern wind generators have a small crane inside them that can be used to not only lift and lower parts but can be used to lift another crane up that can be used to lower the generator to the ground if the land around the generator isn't easy to access with a truck mounted crane.

[Von Halen]

I know this wasn't directed at me but I felt compelled to respond. From what I've seen, windmill blades can be and are cleaned via helicopter. In many instances it takes a crew of 6 about 2 hours per turbine. These are the same helicopters and pilots that fly out to clean high tension power line isolators and bring linemen to the wire to service them hundreds of feet in the air.

There are also crews that do it the "old fashioned way" via ropes and platforms. They climb up the ladders that are inside of them the way workers climb cell towers and municipal water tanks. Is it dangerous? Yeah, so is washing windows on skyscrapers in Manhattan but the job gets done. People do this stuff every day.

Sure, it sucks that maintaining them costs something but I gotta believe it's far from the most expensive part of ownership and one that I can't see being prohibitive.

I appreciate your response.

So, we are building windmill farms to help make electricity so we can work towards everything being battery powered, but we're cleaning the windmills with helicopters? Battery powered helicopters? :rolleyes:

Thank you for helping my point in all this fucking ignorant alternative power BULLSHIT morons like FORD, NickDick and Sesh have fallen for, hook line and sinker.

[twonabomber]

Solar farms proposed for landfills

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2016/12/landfills_as_solar_farms_cuyah.html#incart_m-rpt-1

Why not burn the methane gas a landfill creates instead?


Most modern wind generators have a small crane inside them that can be used to not only lift and lower parts but can be used to lift another crane up that can be used to lower the generator to the ground if the land around the generator isn't easy to access with a truck mounted crane.

Probably what I saw.

[vandeleur]

I appreciate your response.

So, we are building windmill farms to help make electricity so we can work towards everything being battery powered, but we're cleaning the windmills with helicopters? Battery powered helicopters? :rolleyes:

Thank you for helping my point in all this fucking ignorant alternative power BULLSHIT morons like FORD, NickDick and Sesh have fallen for, hook line and sinker.

And those mutherfukkas probably have battery hook lines ... and sinkers. Go redknecks :biggrin:

[qikgts]

Battery powered helicopters?

You type that rhetorically, like you think those don't exist now...

You don't think that in the lifetime of a turbine (which run for about 20-25 years before the big overhaul becomes necessary, similar to amount of time before turbines in power plants need the same rebuild) that it's sensible to clean them once a year or so for now with a avgas helicopter? You think that same helicopter in the next 15 years won't be running a blended fuel of some kind or even maybe be battery powered 5 years after that?

What is it that you have an issue with here? The fact that fossil fuel and petro products are part of making power from renewable energy? They always will be to some extent.

[Von Halen]

What is it that you have an issue with here? The fact that fossil fuel and petro products are part of making power from renewable energy? They always will be to some extent.

My issue is with the idiots that think they can eliminate the need for fossil fuel and petro products. That think battery powered everything is the be all end all answer to "green" and "global warming/climate change" and all that shit. The people that stand to make the most money from this stuff, put out all these buzz words, and dumbasses like NickDick, FORD and Sesh take the bait and run. This Country and probably others, are on the fucking ragged edge of what our power grid can handle, without adding charging stations for all this extra battery powered bullshit. Their answer is to supplement the current system with bullshit systems like the windmills. There are inherent issues with the windmills, immediately and in the future. But those dumb fucks are so wrapped up in their buzz words, they refuse to recognize any present or future issues associated with not only the windmills, but batteries and their disposal and impact on the environment. The fucking rusting, molding carcasses they are and will become, will be every bit as much of an environmental nightmare as anything we're doing now. But hey, reality isn't really a part of those three stooges agenda.

[cadaverdog]

And those mutherfukkas probably have battery hook lines ... and sinkers. Go redknecks :biggrin:
You done drank yourself retarded.

[cadaverdog]

My issue is with the idiots that think they can eliminate the need for fossil fuel and petro products. That think battery powered everything is the be all end all answer to "green" and "global warming/climate change" and all that shit. The people that stand to make the most money from this stuff, put out all these buzz words, and dumbasses like NickDick, FORD and Sesh take the bait and run. This Country and probably others, are on the fucking ragged edge of what our power grid can handle, without adding charging stations for all this extra battery powered bullshit. Their answer is to supplement the current system with bullshit systems like the windmills. There are inherent issues with the windmills, immediately and in the future. But those dumb fucks are so wrapped up in their buzz words, they refuse to recognize any present or future issues associated with not only the windmills, but batteries and their disposal and impact on the environment. The fucking rusting, molding carcasses they are and will become, will be every bit as much of an environmental nightmare as anything we're doing now. But hey, reality isn't really a part of those three stooges agenda.
Obviously we have a long way to go before we can think about completely eliminating vehicles that run on petroleum based products but it doesn't hurt to keep working on alternative, hopefully renewable energy sources.
As far as wind power goes their dependability on where you put the generators. If you put them in arid areas like the Mojave Desert they last a long time with limited maintenance. If you put them in humid areas you're going to have way more issues with mold, rust and corrosion.

[FORD]

And even the "petroleum based" vehicles could run on fuels made from a sustainable resource, like Hemp. The sand pits of real oil are almost gone, and the environmental costs of fracking the shale beds and tar sands for that dirty goo, in order to convert it to "oil" are far too high of a risk for such a pitifully small "reward".

[vandeleur]

You done drank yourself retarded.

It's all about the practice bud :)

[Nickdfresh]

My issue is with the idiots that think they can eliminate the need for fossil fuel and petro products. That think battery powered everything is the be all end all answer to "green" and "global warming/climate change" and all that shit....


I never said this...My only point is the same as your favorite album: "Balance!" Using less fossil fuels and diversifying with renewable energy and "green" technologies......

[Nickdfresh]

It's all about the practice bud :)

What? No Dry January? :D

[vandeleur]

What? No Dry January? :D

:biggrin:

[DONNIEP]

And even the "petroleum based" vehicles could run on fuels made from a sustainable resource, like Hemp. The sand pits of real oil are almost gone, and the environmental costs of fracking the shale beds and tar sands for that dirty goo, in order to convert it to "oil" are far too high of a risk for such a pitifully small "reward".

Hemp: The magic weed that can solve every problem on earth yet nobody in any country has ever found a way to make money off it aside from selling Hippie necklaces. How come Holland isn't the hemp/alternative fuel capitol of the planet? Why isn't Jamaica cranking out a couple million barrels of hemp oil a day? Supposedly it's more efficient than petroleum so why hasn't some entrepreneur somewhere outside the US (cause I know you're gonna throw that up) built a giant hemp farm and refined the living shit out of it and made a viable fuel that we can all shove in our cars? Wait - I know the answer. Big oil and the BCE kill off every guy or gal who figured out how to do it. Bull Shit. The truth is hemp ain't worth a damn compared to oil. Big Oil companies don't give a damn what you burn in your car, so long as they sell it to you. Gas, diesel, hemp, stupidity - they don't care so long as they get paid and hemp ain't paying the bills. Theoretical mumbo jumbo is fine for the interwebz but if hemp was the savior Hippies make it out to be then we'd all be filling up with it.

[vandeleur]

Hemp: The magic weed that can solve every problem on earth yet nobody in any country has ever found a way to make money off it aside from selling Hippie necklaces. How come Holland isn't the hemp/alternative fuel capitol of the planet? Why isn't Jamaica cranking out a couple million barrels of hemp oil a day? Supposedly it's more efficient than petroleum so why hasn't some entrepreneur somewhere outside the US (cause I know you're gonna throw that up) built a giant hemp farm and refined the living shit out of it and made a viable fuel that we can all shove in our cars? Wait - I know the answer. Big oil and the BCE kill off every guy or gal who figured out how to do it. Bull Shit. The truth is hemp ain't worth a damn compared to oil. Big Oil companies don't give a damn what you burn in your car, so long as they sell it to you. Gas, diesel, hemp, stupidity - they don't care so long as they get paid and hemp ain't paying the bills. Theoretical mumbo jumbo is fine for the interwebz but if hemp was the savior Hippies make it out to be then we'd all be filling up with it.

Fuck you ain't been to the dam , they drop ice in your vodka with their pussies. Don't knock holland with with ya gay petrol talk.

Just saying .... gay petrol head mother fukkas

[cadaverdog]

The sand pits of real oil are almost gone, and the environmental costs of fracking the shale beds and tar sands for that dirty goo, in order to convert it to "oil" are far too high of a risk for such a pitifully small "reward".
I agree with the second part about fracking but there are too many places that haven't been explored on this planet to assume it's almost gone. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't continue working on alternate sources of energy that aren't as harmful to the environment as petroleum based fuel.

[cadaverdog]

Hemp: The magic weed that can solve every problem on earth yet nobody in any country has ever found a way to make money off it aside from selling Hippie necklaces. How come Holland isn't the hemp/alternative fuel capitol of the planet? Why isn't Jamaica cranking out a couple million barrels of hemp oil a day? Supposedly it's more efficient than petroleum so why hasn't some entrepreneur somewhere outside the US (cause I know you're gonna throw that up) built a giant hemp farm and refined the living shit out of it and made a viable fuel that we can all shove in our cars? Wait - I know the answer. Big oil and the BCE kill off every guy or gal who figured out how to do it. Bull Shit. The truth is hemp ain't worth a damn compared to oil. Big Oil companies don't give a damn what you burn in your car, so long as they sell it to you. Gas, diesel, hemp, stupidity - they don't care so long as they get paid and hemp ain't paying the bills. Theoretical mumbo jumbo is fine for the interwebz but if hemp was the savior Hippies make it out to be then we'd all be filling up with it.
Because you don't smoke you couldn't possibly comprehend how hilarious that might be to a person like myself who just took a couple hits of some bad ass American grown ganja.

[DONNIEP]

Because you don't smoke you couldn't possibly comprehend how hilarious that might be to a person like myself who just took a couple hits of some bad ass American grown ganja.

Hey - I ain't coming for your weed, lol. But seriously - if hemp was so awesome then somebody would be making money off it.

[DONNIEP]

Fuck you ain't been to the dam , they drop ice in your vodka with their pussies. Don't knock holland with with ya gay petrol talk.

Just saying .... gay petrol head mother fukkas

How they gonna drop ice out of a Burqa? Just sayin.... :biggrin:

[cadaverdog]

Hey - I ain't coming for your weed, lol. But seriously - if hemp was so awesome then somebody would be making money off it.
Hemp helped us win WWII. Hemp is a multi billion dollars a year crop all over the world. Laws here keep farmers weary of growing it but they still do. Mitsubishi uses hemp. Big money in hemp.

[vandeleur]

How they gonna drop ice out of a Burqa? Just sayin.... :biggrin:
It's a called a pussy in Europe ... just saying :)

[FORD]

Hemp helped us win WWII. Hemp is a multi billion dollars a year crop all over the world. Laws here keep farmers weary of growing it but they still do. Mitsubishi uses hemp. Big money in hemp.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Quato2/Indy/Starhead/nn_Hemp_For_Victory.png

[qikgts]

Hemp Is the New Tobacco as Kentucky Bets on Weed’s Cousin

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-22/hemp-is-the-new-tobacco-as-kentucky-farmers-bet-on-weed-s-cousin

It looks like pot. It smells like pot. But it’s hemp, marijuana’s legal cousin, and it’s taking over the Bluegrass state.

Across the rolling hills of Kentucky, which just two decades ago was the most tobacco-dependent state in the country, farmers are planting less of the crop after growing health concerns shrunk demand. Instead, they’re increasingly turning to hemp and have more than doubled sowings of the cannabis variety in 2016 to become the No. 2 producer in the U.S., trailing Colorado.

[Angel]

Hey - I ain't coming for your weed, lol. But seriously - if hemp was so awesome then somebody would be making money off it.
You do know the difference between pot for smoking and hemp, right? It's a big, growing (pun) industry here.

"Business is booming for Canada’s hemp industry, but industry experts say it could be on the cusp of even bigger things."

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.thestar.com/amp/business/2015/07/10/canadas-hemp-industry-is-growing-fast-but-competition-looms.html

[cadaverdog]

"Business is booming for Canada’s hemp industry, but industry experts say it could be on the cusp of even bigger things."

We'll just have to wait and see what the new administration does or doesn't do as far as hemp goes here.

[FORD]

We'll just have to wait and see what the new administration does or doesn't do as far as hemp goes here.

Remember that Cheeto's choice for attorney general is so anti-cannabis that it was the ONLY thing that made him quit the KKK, because "good people don't smoke marryjewanna!!"

And Sessions would definitely be the type who wouldn't know the difference between a plain old industrial Hemp plant, and the "cousin" plants which produce buds. :littlebong:

Ironically though, if Rex Tillerson thought EXXON could make a few billion dollars a month from hemp based fuels, he might be able to talk Cheeto into lifting the ridiculous ban. Irony there being that the oil industry was just one of the corporate interests who pushed the ban in the first place. (At the time Henry Ford - no relation - was talking about running his cars on hemp fuel and even building car bodies from hemp fiber. Meanwhile, over in Germany Karl Benz wanted to make diesel fuel from peanuts. Big oil companies at the time - mostly the Rockefellers & Standard Oil - weren't happy about that competition.)

[cadaverdog]

Remember that Cheeto's choice for attorney general is so anti-cannabis that it was the ONLY thing that made him quit the KKK, because "good people don't smoke marryjewanna!!"

And Sessions would definitely be the type who wouldn't know the difference between a plain old industrial Hemp plant, and the "cousin" plants which produce buds. :littlebong:

Ironically though, if Rex Tillerson thought EXXON could make a few billion dollars a month from hemp based fuels, he might be able to talk Cheeto into lifting the ridiculous ban. Irony there being that the oil industry was just one of the corporate interests who pushed the ban in the first place. (At the time Henry Ford - no relation - was talking about running his cars on hemp fuel and even building car bodies from hemp fiber. Meanwhile, over in Germany Karl Benz wanted to make diesel fuel from peanuts. Big oil companies at the time - mostly the Rockefellers & Standard Oil - weren't happy about that competition.) You wasted all those words saying the same thing I said. We'll have to wait and see.

[Angel]

We'll just have to wait and see what the new administration does or doesn't do as far as hemp goes here.
I hope they completely squash the industry...more $ for us...

[Angel]

In the meantime, I can now write off my weed as a medical expense on my taxes, thanks to my new prescription. 42 years smoking and now able to do so legally. It's surreal...

[FORD]

I hope they completely squash the industry...more $ for us...

Maybe Justin can take hemp seriously as a fuel source and abandon his horrible idea of building a pipeline for that toxic tar sands goo to the West Coast. It's bad enough we got the Japanese radiation in the water now :(

[Angel]

Maybe Justin can take hemp seriously as a fuel source and abandon his horrible idea of building a pipeline for that toxic tar sands goo to the West Coast. It's bad enough we got the Japanese radiation in the water now :(
He won't....

[jacksmar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN7oiuV4xYY


an adult in the room vs a knee jerk wannabe 1st lady

it's really funny to watch a guy like this acid rain on the global warming parade.....

[FORD]

Jerksmear has bizzare fantasies where he dresses up like the coast of Alaska and begs Rexxon Drillerson to ram him like the USS Valdez.

[jacksmar]

as usual, you have to leap to the extreme. but just to humor you TARD;

there's still work to be done in Prince William Sound. Why are you on your soapbox here and not up there working the issue?

[FORD]

Yeah, maybe I should go up there. Compared to the shit I'm having to deal with at the moment, it might seem like a vacation :(

[Von Halen]

Unless you leave your mental illness behind, you're gonna have issues no matter where you go!

[Von Halen]

http://i.imgur.com/2yYgPzl.jpg

[jacksmar]

http://canadafreepress.com/article/gov.-jerry-browns-holy-war-against-climate-change

Also last May, Gov. Brown signed a climate change compact (an illegal treaty) between 12 regional and provincial governments in seven countries, committing to reduce greenhouse gases which they claim cause global warming. Brown’s motive was to demonstrate California’s commitment to the rest of the country and world.

Prior to that illegal compact, in 2015 I reported on the collusion between the California, Washington and Oregon governors’ offices, British Columbia and environmental groups, in the form of an illegal compact to force climate policy coordination and collaboration across the U.S.

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"No state shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation...."

gov moonbeam watermelon stepped on his dick. who died and made moonbeam president...............

[jacksmar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_19OpAUn4g

[Seshmeister]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10158145031550634&set=a.312089085633.335097.505225633&type=3&theater

[jacksmar]

facebook

a facebook whatever? i don't facetiousbook, twit, tweeter twotter, goober, goggle, instant grams, snapper chat, snap ICQ, or any of that other wire based horseshit. i'm sure it was clever and designed to make you look like a really, really smart guy. but,

try again....

[jacksmar]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-scientists-raise-bar-sea-level-2100-212408860.html

Miami (AFP) - In the last days of Barack Obama's administration, US government scientists warned even more sea level rise is expected by century's end than previously estimated, due to rapid ice sheet melting at the poles.

The report by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) set the "extreme" scenario of global average sea level rise by 2100 to 8.2 feet (2.5 meters), up half a meter from the last estimate issued in 2012.

"We raised the upper limit of our scenarios," lead author William Sweet told AFP.

"It is possible. It has a very low probability. But we can't discount it entirely."

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it might, but it mightn't. it's a low probability, but makes for high tide. talking in circles about the earth. (heh)

so ..............ice is heavier than water? or as the ice melts, the earth doesn't lose mass. the water weighs the same and redistributes the mass. ebbs and flows............

didn't see that coming but will be long dead before it happens......