Trump Most Unpopular Incoming President Ever

[Nickdfresh]

Trump to Enter Office as Most Unpopular President in at Least 40 Years, Poll Finds
By GARY LANGER Jan 17, 2017, 7:00 AM ET

Donald Trump enters office as the most unpopular of at least the last seven newly elected presidents, a new ABC News/Washington Post poll finds, with ratings for handling the transition that are also vastly below those of his predecessors.

Forty percent of Americans in the national survey approve of the way Trump has handled the transition, half as many as the 80 percent who approved of Barack Obama’s preparations to take office. Trump also trails far behind George W. Bush (72 percent transition approval), Bill Clinton (81 percent) and George H.W. Bush (82 percent) on this measure.

See PDF with full results, charts and tables here.

Similarly, just 40 percent in this poll, produced for ABC News by Langer Research Associates, approve of most of Trump’s Cabinet choices, trailing his four most recent predecessors by 19 to 26 percentage points.

Also, only 40 percent see Trump favorably overall. That’s 21 points behind Obama’s departing favorability rating (his best since November 2009) and by far the lowest popularity for an incoming president in polling since 1977. Previous start-of-presidency favorability ratings have ranged from 56 percent for George W. Bush to 79 percent for Obama.

Consider the flipside: Just 9 to 20 percent saw Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton and Obama unfavorably as they took office. It was 36 percent for George W. Bush. It’s 54 percent for Trump.

Expectations

Even with those weak ratings, Trump garners high expectations on some issues. Six in 10 Americans polled expect him to do an excellent or good job on the economy and on jobs alike, and 56 percent expect him to do well in handling terrorism.

On the economy, Trump may get tailwinds. Fifty-one percent say it’s in excellent or good shape, the most since October 2006 in ABC/Post polls. Even still, 63 percent say the country’s seriously off on the wrong track — a view on which Democrats and Republicans have essentially swapped positions since the election, with the biggest change for the party that won the White House.

Positive expectations for Trump drop to about 50 percent on three other issues: helping the middle class, handling the deficit and making Supreme Court appointments. Expectations go negative on four more: handling health care, international crises, race relations and issues of particular concern to women. Expectations of Trump are more negative than positive by 24 points on women’s issues, 37 versus 61 percent, and by 17 points on race relations, 40 versus 57 percent.

Skeptics/Issues

More generally, skepticism about Trump is extensive. Sixty-one percent of Americans surveyed lack confidence in him to make the right decisions for the country’s future. Obama was rated as poorly on this measure in the midst of his second term. But he started his presidency with the opposite result, 61 percent confidence.

Fifty-two percent see Trump as unqualified for office. Still, in a positive trend for him, that’s down from a peak of 64 percent in June.

Results are informed by opposition to many of the incoming administration’s policy plans. Out of eight such policies tested in this survey, majorities support three: deporting undocumented immigrants who have committed crimes (most popular by far, with 72 percent support), renegotiating NAFTA (57 percent) and punishing companies that move jobs overseas (53 percent).

Support goes below 50 percent for repealing “Obamacare” (46 percent support versus 47 oppose), building a wall on the border with Mexico (37 percent support), withdrawing from the nuclear deal with Iran (37 percent), barring entry to most Muslims who aren’t U.S. citizens (32 percent) and quitting the Paris climate treaty (31 percent). (On “Obamacare,” two-thirds of those who favor repeal say the law should be replaced with a new one at the same time.)

It’s notable that large majorities oppose two proposals that have been signatures of Trump’s political rise: barring entry of non-U.S. Muslims (63 percent opposed) and building a wall along the border with Mexico (opposed by 60 percent).

Opposition peaks, at 66 percent, to another idea, providing tax breaks for privately funded roads, bridges and transportation projects that would then charge tolls for people who use them.

Another likely policy debate may pose its own risks for Trump. He has proposed an across-the-board tax cut. Seventy-five percent in this survey support a tax cut for middle- and low-income Americans, but support falls to 48 percent for a business tax cut and just 36 percent for cutting taxes paid by higher-income Americans.

Others

Among other issues:

• Just 35 percent approve of the way Trump has handled the issue of campaign email hacking, while 54 percent disapprove. Nearly two-thirds think Russia was behind it, and among them, 7 in 10 think Russia’s goal was to help Trump win the election. Forty-three percent see Trump as “too friendly” toward Russia; about as many say he’s handling this well.

• Neither the media nor Trump is well rated in their handling of each other, but Trump fares considerably less well. Americans divide essentially evenly on whether the news media are treating Trump fairly or unfairly. But they see Trump’s treatment of the news media as unfair rather than fair by a substantial 57 to 38 percent.

Groups

Evaluations of Trump’s proposed policies and expectations for his presidency vary widely, with no division more prominent than the one between political partisans.

One of the largest rifts by party emerges on Trump’s planned wall along the Mexican border. Seventy-two percent of Republicans support it, most saying they do so strongly, while 87 percent of Democrats are opposed, nearly three-quarters strongly. Partisans split similarly on repealing the Affordable Care Act, with 8 in 10 Republicans in favor and three-quarters of Democrats against.

In terms of expectations, nearly all Republicans expect Trump to do an excellent or good job handling the economy and job creation alike, while fewer than 3 in 10 Democrats say the same. Democrats are the least optimistic about Trump’s handling of the health care system, with just 9 percent giving him at least a “good” prospective rating. That compares with 87 percent of Republicans.

Not all of Trump’s plans are welcomed as universally by GOP partisans. Fewer than half of Republicans support the public-private infrastructure plan proposed by his advisers or his previously stated intention to pull out of the Paris climate agreement. (He later said he has an “open mind” about the deal.) Fewer than a quarter of Democrats support either proposal.

Some divisions echo the election. White men without college degrees, a strongly pro-Trump group, support repealing the 2010 health care law by 65 versus 27 percent, while white women with a college degree — who narrowly backed Clinton — mirror them in opposition, 35 versus 63 percent. The pattern repeats in expectations for Trump’s handling of race relations; nearly two-thirds of non-college white men have high expectations, while as many college-educated white women have low ones.

Race is a key factor. Compared with whites, nonwhites are 36 points less likely to expect much from Trump in job creation and 30 points less likely to think he’ll do well on race relations. And while support for building the border wall has increased among whites from 42 to 50 percent since September, it remains extremely unpopular among Hispanics, with just 11 percent in support.

There will be much measurement of Trump’s job approval in the years ahead, and the best stand-in for that gauge now is approval of his handling of the transition. This peaks at 77 percent among Republicans, 68 percent among strong conservatives and 61 percent among evangelical white Protestants. But it’s just 45 percent in the states Trump won in the presidential election, as well as 42 percent among political independents, with 50 percent disapproving.

Further, whites, a group Trump won by a 20 points in the election (per the exit poll), approve of his work on the transition by a 10 point margin, 52 to 42 percent. That ranges from 64 percent approval among non-college white men to 36 percent among college-educated white women. Seventy-five percent of nonwhites disapprove, including 85 percent of blacks and 76 percent of Hispanics.

Methodology

This ABC News/Washington Post poll was conducted by landline and cellular telephone Jan. 12 to 15, 2017, in English and Spanish, among a random national sample of 1,005 adults. Results have a margin of sampling error of 3.5 points, including the design effect. Partisan divisions are 31-23-37 percent, Democrats-Republicans-independents.

The survey was produced for ABC News by Langer Research Associates of New York City, with sampling, data collection and tabulation by Abt-SRBI of New York City. See details on the survey’s methodology here.

ABC News LINK (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-remains-unpopular-presidency-hand-poll/story?id=44815005)

[Von Halen]

NickDickless. Most unpopular outgoing moderator ever. :D

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Frankly, Trump's domestic policies don't really affect me that much at all, with two now adult children...

I'll be interested to see what he does with any tax policy changes, though.... As long as my 401K keeps pumping along, while I despise the man and his policies, that's about the extent of it....

My main concern, as an American, is what he does in foreign policy.... It should concern everyone, honestly, what his bluster results in when it comes to China, North Korea and Iran.....

[Seshmeister]

If I was you I would be depressed too about the fucking weirdo's who will end up in your Supreme Court until you die too but I agree it's quite rare for the actions of a president to actually significantly fuck up your life.

Of course one example would be GW and what he did to the lives of a lot of folk like Sarge...

[Seshmeister]

Trump to Enter Office as Most Unpopular President in at Least 40 Years, Poll Finds
By GARY LANGER Jan 17, 2017, 7:00 AM ET

Donald Trump enters office as the most unpopular of at least the last seven newly elected presidents, a new ABC News/Washington Post poll finds, with ratings for handling the transition that are also vastly below those of his predecessors.

Forty percent of Americans in the national survey approve of the way Trump has handled the transition, half as many as the 80 percent who approved of Barack Obama’s preparations to take office. Trump also trails far behind George W. Bush (72 percent transition approval), Bill Clinton (81 percent) and George H.W. Bush (82 percent) on this measure.



He is though amazingly popular in Russia... :)

https://www.rt.com/politics/367367-in-russia-trump-has-11/

[Va Beach VH Fan]

If I was you I would be depressed too about the fucking weirdo's who will end up in your Supreme Court until you die too but I agree it's quite rare for the actions of a president to actually significantly fuck up your life.

Of course one example would be GW and what he did to the lives of a lot of folk like Sarge...


Well, one thing that I failed to mention was that I'm glad I've served my 20 years already.... There could very well be some more extended and frequent deployments for my military brethren.....

[Von Halen]

Well, one thing that I failed to mention was that I'm glad I've served my 20 years already.... There could very well be some more extended and frequent deployments for my military brethren.....

Are you still active duty Va?

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Are you still active duty Va?


Hell no, retired nearly 14 years ago....

[Von Halen]

Hell no, retired nearly 14 years ago....

Okay. Didn't know that. Thank you for your service. Hopefully you were never on the same ship as that fucked up Dog that posts here.

[Von Halen]

Hey, look! It's NickDickless in his Bernie gear!

http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lGSSkKhOk_o/WH_5lCYR5pI/AAAAAAAAJ2w/Qk_YGbNFhto/s1024-no/IMG_4376.JPG

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Okay. Didn't know that. Thank you for your service. Hopefully you were never on the same ship as that fucked up Dog that posts here.

Nah.... We were most likely in San Diego around the same time in '83/'84, but after that I was overseas until '91.....

[Von Halen]

Nah.... We were most likely in San Diego around the same time in '83/'84, but after that I was overseas until '91.....

I'm not even sure if he was really in the Navy. I'm thinking he was a Village People groupie, and is now confused about what he may or may not have done.

[Nickdfresh]

NickDickless. Most unpopular outgoing moderator ever. :D

Anytime you want, babe...

[Von Halen]

Anytime you want, babe...

"Babe"? WTF? When we went to dinner, you said that was accidental when your feet kept rubbing up against mine!

[Nickdfresh]

"Babe"? WTF? When we went to dinner, you said that was accidental when your feet kept rubbing up against mine!

Creetin' I only sleep with those that use proper utensils!

[cadaverdog]

I'm not even sure if he was really in the Navy. I'm thinking he was a Village People groupie, and is now confused about what he may or may not have done.
I'd be more than happy to prove that to someone I think is honorable like VA I'm not confused about what I did. I really don't give a fuck what any of you motherfuckers think about me outside of Donnie and maybe Vandy. If VA would be kind enough to help me out I know I could prove to him I've told the truth about my time in service. Nick claims he served but he didn't know the service has changed the time they own you several times since Vietnam. I already proved that. He also said something about bullshitting the VA to get VA benefits. You can't bullshit the VA. Any veteran knows that. VA here would know that as well.

[cadaverdog]

Hey, look! It's NickDickless in his Bernie gear!

http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lGSSkKhOk_o/WH_5lCYR5pI/AAAAAAAAJ2w/Qk_YGbNFhto/s1024-no/IMG_4376.JPG
That's gonna become a reality at the inauguration. 200,000 bikers that support Trump have a permit to be there.

[cadaverdog]

I'm not even sure if he was really in the Navy. I'm thinking he was a Village People groupie, and is now confused about what he may or may not have done.
At least i didn't get tossed out of the Village People for being too queer like you did.

[cadaverdog]

Nah.... We were most likely in San Diego around the same time in '83/'84, but after that I was overseas until '91.....
I was stationed at 32nd Street at that time. Went home to L A every weekend I wasn't on duty if I could. One of my shipmate's parents lived across the street from mine but we had never met prior to him coming aboard my ship in Subic.

[Nickdfresh]

I'd be more than happy to prove that to someone I think is honorable like VA I'm not confused about what I did. I really don't give a fuck what any of you motherfuckers think about me outside of Donnie and maybe Vandy. If VA would be kind enough to help me out I know I could prove to him I've told the truth about my time in service. Nick claims he served but he didn't know the service has changed the time they own you several times since Vietnam. I already proved that. He also said something about bullshitting the VA to get VA benefits. You can't bullshit the VA. Any veteran knows that. VA here would know that as well.

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/sad-baby-girl-crying-19793324.jpg

[Nickdfresh]

Hey, look! It's NickDickless in his Bernie gear!

http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lGSSkKhOk_o/WH_5lCYR5pI/AAAAAAAAJ2w/Qk_YGbNFhto/s1024-no/IMG_4376.JPG

When did I ever wear Bernie Gear, Von Gina?

Nothing scarier than Trump's core constituency of 50+ white males that don't get laid!

[Va Beach VH Fan]

I'd be more than happy to prove that to someone I think is honorable like VA I'm not confused about what I did. I really don't give a fuck what any of you motherfuckers think about me outside of Donnie and maybe Vandy. If VA would be kind enough to help me out I know I could prove to him I've told the truth about my time in service. Nick claims he served but he didn't know the service has changed the time they own you several times since Vietnam. I already proved that. He also said something about bullshitting the VA to get VA benefits. You can't bullshit the VA. Any veteran knows that. VA here would know that as well.


No need to prove anything, I can tell you served, just as I'm sure Nick did.....

[Seshmeister]

Is the worship of the military in the US mainly a post 9-11 thing or has it always been that way?

In many other countries including here merely working for the military doesn't automatically get you a pass and huge respect, you still have to earn it like anyone else.

[Von Halen]

Is the worship of the military in the US mainly a post 9-11 thing or has it always been that way?

In many other countries including here merely working for the military doesn't automatically get you a pass and huge respect, you still have to earn it like anyone else.

Since you're such an expert on American politics and Government, I'm surprised you don't already know the answer to this question.

[Nickdfresh]

Is the worship of the military in the US mainly a post 9-11 thing or has it always been that way?

In many other countries including here merely working for the military doesn't automatically get you a pass and huge respect, you still have to earn it like anyone else.

It ebbs and flows wildly. Remember the Vietnam era vets were not well treated to say the least. So it depends and it is maybe a post-911 thing coupled with guilt over how some Vietnam vets were mistreated and suffered a lot of service-contacted issues like Agent Orange and Hep C delivered by blood transfusions. Even into the 90's the military characters were often caricatured as buffoons like Niedermeyer...
http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/neidermeyer.jpg

[Seshmeister]

Since you're such an expert on American politics and Government, I'm surprised you don't already know the answer to this question.


I get all my knowledge from you people. :D

[Nickdfresh]

No need to prove anything, I can tell you served, just as I'm sure Nick did.....

I believe c-dog served. He just likes to tell tall tales from trollilieum yore and confuses himself and everyone else because he has a tendency to be proud of things that really aren't very cool...

I think when he first started here he like to brag about being booted from the Navy for pot, now was an honorable vet with three different terms of service...

[cadaverdog]

No need to prove anything, I can tell you served, just as I'm sure Nick did.....

As a fellow vet I'm sure you feel the same way I do when some asshole questions your veterans status.

[vandeleur]

Man ,for the first few years he said he was a naval vet I thought he fixed up dolphins and sealions :D

[cadaverdog]

I believe c-dog served.

I think when he first started here he like to brag about being booted from the Navy for pot, now was an honorable vet with three different terms of service...
Bullshit. I admitted I got busted for pot. You must have assumed I was thrown out because they don't give second chances anymore. When I said I was in the Navy from 81 to 87 that's not a lie either. If I had said I was on active duty for six years it would be. I don't how many times I've said I don't get VA benefits because I got out early because my ship was overseas after re upping for two years active to get benefits. Full benefits, medical and such. I'm actually surprised the VA offered me to enter the VRAP program but I'm sorry they did because I blew it by going to a for profit bullshit college.

[cadaverdog]

Man ,for the first few years he said he was a naval vet I thought he fixed up dolphins and sealions :D

Why would a dolphin want to date a sea lion?

[Va Beach VH Fan]

As a fellow vet I'm sure you feel the same way I do when some asshole questions your veterans status.


To be quite honest, I really feel more and more people, regardless of race or area of the country you're in, they give less and less of a shit that you (not YOU) served, much less made it a career....

Moreover, I've seen more and more people online question and/or complain about supposed "benefits" given to servicemen, like it's some sort of a handout.

And I really don't know why that is.... Perhaps it's because it's usually the poor that basically must join the military, meaning a lot of minorities, and THAT'S why....

Maybe if more Americans had to serve.... Maybe if more Americans had to kiss their spouse and children goodbye and not see them for 6, 7, or 12 months, and that's if they're lucky to come home at all...

Serving in the military is no cakewalk.... And serving overseas, like I did for nearly 10 years, is downright dangerous in nearly every country in the world now for Americans (and others).... You've really got to watch your back overseas now.... I was nearly killed 3 times in my 20 years by terrorist acts, not because I was the target, but just because I was nearly in the wrong place at the wrong time.....

I just think there is less and less respect for those that serve now than in any time in our history, and that's sad.....

[cadaverdog]

In many other countries including here merely working for the military doesn't automatically get you a pass and huge respect, you still have to earn it like anyone else.
Americans used to believe serving in the military did earn you a certain amount of respect but that changed after Vietnam. But we still have Veterans day and Memorial day to pay respect to veterans and our fallen comrades. Seems odd you don't respect veterans but you still have a monarchy. You respect people just because of their bloodline but serving your country means nothing?

[cadaverdog]

Serving in the military is no cakewalk.... And serving overseas, like I did for nearly 10 years, is downright dangerous in nearly every country in the world now for Americans (and others).... You've really got to watch your back overseas now....

Going on Westpac when I was in wasn't too bad when you were in port. But when we were at sea anything could happen. It was probably as dangerous to get too hammered in Tijuana as any port I visited other than Thailand. We were still doing those Freedom Cruises back then. We cruise just outside of the territorial waters off Vietnam to provoke them into doing something stupid. Dealing with a piss ant country like that would be easy compared to trying to help another country fight a civil war and a lot of our leaders would love to do anything that would make people forget what happened during the Vietnam war. One win and one (perceived) loss is better than one loss and no wins.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

It was probably as dangerous to get too hammered in Tijuana as any port I visited other than Thailand.


That proves my point. Did you know Sailors can't go to Tijuana anymore?

[Igosplut]

That's gonna become a reality at the inauguration. 200,000 bikers that support Trump have a permit to be there.

Present day bikers are pussy's. Trust me when I tell ya that....

[jacksmar]

If I was you I would be depressed too about the fucking weirdo's who will end up in your Supreme Court until you die too but I agree it's quite rare for the actions of a president to actually significantly fuck up your life.

Of course one example would be GW and what he did to the lives of a lot of folk like Sarge...

i keep working with: weirdo's who will end up in your Supreme Court.

....Like an Originalist.

sesh, you're a socialist. don't worry about the US Supreme Court. you can't properly understand it.

The US Constitution is a legal document, and it says what it says and doesn't say what it doesn't say..........

[cadaverdog]

Present day bikers are pussy's. Trust me when I tell ya that....
I ride but I'm not a biker. I know a few 1%s. Most of them are HA. My hometown is Vago territory. Don't care much for those guys. When a Vago in colors showed up at an HA open house while I was there I split. I've been offered to prospect for some lesser known HA affiliates but I declined. When I lived in East LA the vatos left me alone because my brother was a club rider. It was more of a riding group than an outlaw biker gang but he looked the part.

[cadaverdog]

That proves my point. Did you know Sailors can't go to Tijuana anymore?
We weren't allowed to cross the border in uniform while I was there. They loved busting sailors and jarheads across the border. The Navy's attitude towards everything I found fun while I was in makes me think pretty soon sailors won't even be allowed to drink alcohol. Before this dust up with the new guy in he Philippines they weren't even allowed to go into town when they went to Subic. All the bars near 32nd Street are gone. I'm not even sure they still have EM and NCO clubs on base.
I haven't crossed the border since 9/11.

[Igosplut]

I ride but I'm not a biker. I know a few 1%s. Most of them are HA. My hometown is Vago territory. Don't care much for those guys. When a Vago in colors showed up at an HA open house while I was there I split. I've been offered to prospect for some lesser known HA affiliates but I declined. When I lived in East LA the vatos left me alone because my brother was a club rider. It was more of a riding group than an outlaw biker gang but he looked the part.

My reply was not addressing OMC members.

[Von Halen]

Igo! How the fuck are you?

[Igosplut]

God only knows how I'm still here, but I'm here....

[cadaverdog]

My reply was not addressing OMC members.
I hear ya. Most guys who ride can usually handle their shit. But you do have those wannabes who dress the part and talk the talk but can't walk the walk.

[Igosplut]

Igo! How the fuck are you?

And how are you, you mopar lovin asshole???

[Igosplut]

I just hacked this place, and Brett and Sesh are PMing...What has the world come to...???

[cadaverdog]

My reply was not addressing OMC members.
I misread your post. I agree and disagree. Most of the guys I used to ride with thought they were bad ass bikers but most of them were candy asses. But I do know plenty other non club riders who can handle their shit as well.

[Von Halen]

And how are you, you mopar lovin asshole???

I'm on the green side of the grass.

What brings you out? The Roth Army inauguration celebration?

[Igosplut]

Pure boredom brother, plain and simple. Plus, I figure you'd make me a mod so I could wipe this place clean...

[Igosplut]

Plus, we can't let Sesh take this over by himself, now can we?

[Von Halen]

Dude, it wiped itself clean. You are exactly our 7th active poster these days.

[Igosplut]

Dude, it wiped itself clean. You are exactly our 7th active poster these days.

HA! My fucking word how the mighty have fallen..... Sad man you think what this online once was....

[cadaverdog]

Okay. Didn't know that. Thank you for your service. Hopefully you were never on the same ship as that fucked up Dog that posts here.
Regardless of my all I want to do is party attitude when I was in my ship was ready to rumble and most of my shipmates were more than competent. They saw action in Desert Shield and Desert Storm. Up until I got busted I considered being a lifer. After that I spent most of my time swabbing the deck. I was an expert floor polisher by the time I got out.

[Von Halen]

Up until I got busted I considered being a lifer. After that I spent most of my time swabbing the deck. I was an expert knob polisher by the time I got out.

Really?

[cadaverdog]

Really?
I polish my own knob every chance I get. Much cheaper than shacking up with some bitch that spends all my money then kicks me to the curb because I'm broke. What's going on with you and your life mate Richard Simmons.I heard you broke up because he thought you were too feminine.
BTW: Doesn't Obama's last day end at midnight tonight?

[cadaverdog]

To be honest I was an expert knob polisher way before I joined the Navy. I used to wear that mo fo out every time the new Penny's catalog arrived.

[cadaverdog]

Back on track. If these polls that say Trump has the lowest rating ever are the same ones that said Hillary was gonna win by a landslide I don't think they're very reliable. For all I know he might be the most popular President Elect ever.

[Nickdfresh]

Regardless of my all I want to do is party attitude when I was in my ship was ready to rumble and most of my shipmates were more than competent. They saw action in Desert Shield and Desert Storm. Up until I got busted I considered being a lifer. After that I spent most of my time swabbing the deck. I was an expert floor polisher by the time I got out.

You're such a fucking idiot...

[Nickdfresh]

Oh, so cadaver-shit 'served with Gulf War' vets now? The Gulf War was in 1990-1991. But c-dog claims he was in from 1981-1984? Okay, fucktard...

[Von Halen]

Oh, so cadaver-shit 'served with Gulf War' vets now? The Gulf War was in 1990-1991. But c-dog claims he was in from 1981-1984? Okay, fucktard...

It's different in dog years. Duh.

[FORD]

http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r589/duadmin/170119-how-hope-has-changed_zpsexbdsz3q.jpg

[cadaverdog]

Oh, so cadaver-shit 'served with Gulf War' vets now? The Gulf War was in 1990-1991. But c-dog claims he was in from 1981-1984? Okay, fucktard...
It says THEY not I numbnuts. Can't you or your pal Von read?

[cadaverdog]

It's different in dog years. Duh.
Looks like both of you retards need to learn how to read. It's says THEY not I saw action in Desert Shield and Desert Storm. Is all that sun you get riding around in the fag buggy baking your brain or are you a retard like Nick?

[cadaverdog]

You're such a fucking idiot...
You'd have to move up a couple rungs to be an idiot imbecile.

[cadaverdog]

It's different in dog years. Duh.
Do you know what's not different in dog years? The fact that you and your smartass buddy are two of the biggest assholes that have ever come down the pike. Fuck you both and your faggoty piece of shit pink dune buggy.

[Von Halen]

Do you know what's not different in dog years? The fact that you and your smartass buddy are two of the biggest assholes that have ever come down the pike. Fuck you both and your faggoty piece of shit pink dune buggy.

I don't have a buddy.

[Seshmeister]

Looks like both of you retards need to learn how to read. It's says THEY not I saw action in Desert Shield and Desert Storm. Is all that sun you get riding around in the fag buggy baking your brain or are you a retard like Nick?

All those big naval battles verses the mighty Iraqi navy...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/US_Navy_080812-N-5068C-002_U.S._Naval_Forces_Central_Command_Deputy_Comma nder_Rear_Adm._Thomas_Cropper_joins_Iraqi,_Royal_N avy_and_U.S._Navy_personnel_for_a_tour_of_the_port _of_Umm_Qasr_during_Iraqi_Navy_Day_celebrations.jp g

[Igosplut]

I don't have a buddy.

Sure you do, I'm your pal..

[MmeForget]

Americans used to believe serving in the military did earn you a certain amount of respect but that changed after Vietnam. But we still have Veterans day and Memorial day to pay respect to veterans and our fallen comrades. Seems odd you don't respect veterans but you still have a monarchy. You respect people just because of their bloodline but serving your country means nothing?
I don't believe I've ever seen Sesh say he respects the monarchy...

[Nickdfresh]

Looks like both of you retards need to learn how to read. It's says THEY not I saw action in Desert Shield and Desert Storm. Is all that sun you get riding around in the fag buggy baking your brain or are you a retard like Nick?

Then why even mention it, stockings raper?

[cadaverdog]

I don't have a buddy.
I'm sorry. I forgot you prefer the term significant other.

[cadaverdog]

Then why even mention it, stockings raper?
Cause I felt like it. Any more stupid questions?

[Seshmeister]

I don't believe I've ever seen Sesh say he respects the monarchy...

That is a serious understatement. :biggrin:

[cadaverdog]

That is a serious understatement.
When I said you I didn't necessarily mean you as an individual. The citizens of the United Kingdom still allow the Monarchy to exist. To me that means some of you (not just you) do respect some people based on their bloodlines.

[cadaverdog]

I don't have a buddy.
You and Richard Simmons didn't remain friends after the break up? Bummer.

[Seshmeister]

When I said you I didn't necessarily mean you as an individual. The citizens of the United Kingdom still allow the Monarchy to exist. To me that means some of you (not just you) do respect some people based on their bloodlines.

But I am an individual.

The older and wiser I get the less I believe in countries and patriotism never mind nationalism.

When you say 'you' what does that mean? A pedophile who lives 500 miles away from me? A 98 year old Nazi rocket scientist who moved here after WWII, a coulrophiliac from Wales who spends their whole life masturbating to pictures of clowns, a fat blind Van Hagar fan from London?

I think the whole thing is largely bullshit and mainly used as a way for powerful people to encourage you be unkind to people you don't know.

The majority of people don't like classic Van Halen.

[cadaverdog]

But I am an individual.

The older and wiser I get the less I believe in countries and patriotism never mind nationalism.

When you say 'you' what does that mean?

Gee I don't know. Maybe it's "the citizens of the United Kingdom" like it says in the next sentence of the post you quoted. Unlike you I still believe in my country and patriotism. We have our problems but I still think this is the greatest country on the planet. Obviously you don't think much of Scotland or the UK but that's your prerogative.

[Nickdfresh]

Gee I don't know. Maybe it's "the citizens of the United Kingdom" like it says in the next sentence of the post you quoted. Unlike you I still believe in my country and patriotism. We have our problems but I still think this is the greatest country on the planet. Obviously you don't think much of Scotland or the UK but that's your prerogative.

It's funny because you seem to think almost the opposite of Donald Trump, with his profound pessimism and negativity...

[cadaverdog]

It's funny because you seem to think almost the opposite of Donald Trump, with his profound pessimism and negativity...
I don't get your drift. I know what Donald Trump is and to be honest I never really thought much of him. I made my reasons for supporting him quite clear. He's not Hillary Clinton.

[Nickdfresh]

'Sinking like a rock': Trump's approval rating keeps plummeting
Jeremy Berke,Business Insider 4 hours ago

President Donald Trump received his lowest approval rating since he took office, according to a poll released on Wednesday.

Thirty-eight percent of voters in the latest Quinnipiac University poll said they approve of the job Trump is doing, down from a 42% approval rating in Quinnipiac's last poll on February 7.

The Quinnipiac poll shows a severe partisan split — 83% of Republicans said they approve of Trump's job performance, while 91% of Democrats disapprove.

"President Donald Trump's popularity is sinking like a rock," Tim Malloy, the assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll, said in a release. "He gets slammed on honesty, empathy, level-headedness and the ability to unite. And two of his strong points, leadership and intelligence, are sinking to new lows.

"This is a terrible survey one month in," Malloy added.

Among the other results:

39% of voters surveyed said their opinion of Trump is favorable, while 55% said their opinion of him is unfavorable.
55% of voters surveyed said they think he does not have good leadership skills, while 42% said they think he does.
55% said they think he is not honest, while 40% said they think he is.
63% said they think he is not level-headed, while 33% said they think he is.
58% said they think he is doing "more to divide the nation."
38% said they could trust Trump to do what is right "almost all of the time."
However, a Politico/Morning Consult poll published Wednesday tells a different story.

Forty-one percent of voters in that poll said they think the country is heading in the right direction, up from 29% immediately after the election in November. Further, the Politico poll showed Trump's approval rating increasing over the past week to 49%.

Business Insider (https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/sinking-rock-trumps-approval-rating-195842240.html)

[Terry]

'Sinking like a rock': Trump's approval rating keeps plummeting
Jeremy Berke,Business Insider 4 hours ago

President Donald Trump received his lowest approval rating since he took office, according to a poll released on Wednesday.

Thirty-eight percent of voters in the latest Quinnipiac University poll said they approve of the job Trump is doing, down from a 42% approval rating in Quinnipiac's last poll on February 7.

The Quinnipiac poll shows a severe partisan split — 83% of Republicans said they approve of Trump's job performance, while 91% of Democrats disapprove.

"President Donald Trump's popularity is sinking like a rock," Tim Malloy, the assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll, said in a release. "He gets slammed on honesty, empathy, level-headedness and the ability to unite. And two of his strong points, leadership and intelligence, are sinking to new lows.

"This is a terrible survey one month in," Malloy added.

Among the other results:

39% of voters surveyed said their opinion of Trump is favorable, while 55% said their opinion of him is unfavorable.
55% of voters surveyed said they think he does not have good leadership skills, while 42% said they think he does.
55% said they think he is not honest, while 40% said they think he is.
63% said they think he is not level-headed, while 33% said they think he is.
58% said they think he is doing "more to divide the nation."
38% said they could trust Trump to do what is right "almost all of the time."
However, a Politico/Morning Consult poll published Wednesday tells a different story.

Forty-one percent of voters in that poll said they think the country is heading in the right direction, up from 29% immediately after the election in November. Further, the Politico poll showed Trump's approval rating increasing over the past week to 49%.

Business Insider (https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/sinking-rock-trumps-approval-rating-195842240.html)

Absent a terror attack on the continental US or another recession, I wouldn't rule out Trump winning a second term.

I mean, it's not as if Sessions is going to be itching to nominate a Special Prosecutor for Congress to consider appointing regarding all the odd threads of Russian interference and potentially compromised Trump Administration officials. Outside of that, nothing Trump has done so far will be enough to mobilize an impeachment movement.

If the economy limps along at 1.5 - 2%, unemployment doesn't start spiking, gas prices remain stable and Trump gets his tax cuts through and makes some tangible progress on the border wall, right now I'd put him at 50-50 for winning a 2nd term.

Trump and his counsel are pitching their actions toward the voters who got him elected. They're not worried about trying to bring those who didn't around. The mindset is that eventually the anti-Trump demonstrations will burn out and the Democratic Party won't be able to find a worthy opponent who can turn out votes in the states where it will matter most in a manner that Hillary failed to do last fall.

Maybe if the tax returns eventually turn up, or if there is some clear-cut, vividly illustrated evidence of Trump and his family profiting from the office...there MIGHT be some bombshells in there. I mean, Kellyanne Conway hawking Ivanka's clothes on tv isn't going to be enough to hang much on. Or, if the bureaucracies of the various Cabinet Departments along with various intelligence agencies surrounding Trump keep leaking to the press, maybe there might eventually be something substantive in those leaks that will snowball enough to warrant removal.

Most of Trump's survey numbers leading up to the election in nearly every category underperformed Clinton's. What was any of that worth in the end?

[Seshmeister]

Absent a terror attack on the continental US or another recession, I wouldn't rule out Trump winning a second term.


A terror attack on the continental US could guarantee his second term - look at GW's approval ratings.

http://media.gallup.com/POLL/Releases/pr020108i.gif

[Nitro Express]

A terror attack on the continental US could guarantee his second term - look at GW's approval ratings.

http://media.gallup.com/POLL/Releases/pr020108i.gif

Most presidents win a second term because it's hard to beat an incumbent. The way you lose a second term is to fail to deliver on your key campaign promises if the Democrat candidate isn't a radical lefty. The next person the Democrats run is going to be a real left wing radical. Even if Trump turns out to be a dud the base will still vote against the Democrat.

[Terry]

A terror attack on the continental US could guarantee his second term - look at GW's approval ratings.

http://media.gallup.com/POLL/Releases/pr020108i.gif

I think a lot of that had to do with a vast majority of Americans in the aftermath of 9/11 WANTING a President who would lead them, and to his credit GW rose to the moment in the months after 9/11 in terms of presenting a strong, serious image and a strong, serious image as to what the nation's response would be.

2004 wasn't exactly a blowout for W. All it would have taken was Ohio or Florida to have went for Kerry and [Kerry] would have won. Considering Kerry was effectively portrayed as a stereotypical Massachusetts quiche-eating, windsurfing tax-and-spend liberal by the Bush campaign (to which Kerry supplied plenty of ammunition), Kerry got pretty close. Then again, in terms of a whole host of policies, there really wasn't much daylight between W and Kerry in the end.

So, I'm not really sure a terror attack in this administration would prove as analogous for Trump in 2020 as it did for W in 2004. Number one, in 2004 the notion of a terror attack within the continental US on the scale of 9/11 was still fresh territory in the minds of many. Uncharted waters, if you will. In 2016, Trump repeatedly went out and claimed that Hillary Clinton - who had been fighting ISIS "her entire adult life(?!)" - would prove incompetent in defending America from a terrorist attack, whereas Trump was going to wipe ISIS and radical Islamic terrorism off of the face of the Earth. It was a centerpiece of his campaign, blatantly stated with no equivocation.

Another terror attack on the scale of 9/11, particularly if it came close to the 2020 election, isn't something that would necessarily prove to be the catalyst for sparking a boost in Trump's approval ratings: the closer it happened to 2020 the less Trump would be able to lay the blame at Obama's feet, it will have rendered Trump's Muslim Ban as utterly inept, it will call into question what we got as a nation from Trump's increased military spending and if Trump's Administration 3 years from now is still making unforced errors at the rate they are today another terror attack could well put the nail in the coffin for people wanting to re-up with The Donald for another go-around.

All hypothetical and speculative, but there you go.