Trump Admin Wants WAR with Iran?

[Nickdfresh]

The US may have to consider firing on Iranian boats after latest Houthi attack
Alex Lockie,Business Insider Wed, Feb 1 8:29 AM PST
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(Footage supposedly shows the moment a Saudi naval vessel was rocked by a Houthi suicide boat attack.Abbas Almutwkel via YouTube)
On Monday, Iranian-backed Houthi rebels off the coast of Yemen launched an attack on a Saudi Arabian naval vessel using suicide boats, or fast-attack craft laden with explosives.

According to Lawrence Brennan, a Fordham University maritime law professor and former US Navy commander, "This attack is likely to impact US naval operations and rules of engagement in nearby waters."

2016 saw a significant spike in the number of incidents at sea between the US Navy and fast-attack craft of the Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, at least one of which required the US Navy to open fire with warning shots.

Meanwhile, Iranian-backed Houthi rebels in Yemen had a blockbuster 2016, using an anti-ship missile to hit an Emirati naval vessel and then firing a salvo of missiles at US Navy ships in October.

The US Navy successfully fended off the Houthi missile attack and retaliated by destroying three radar sites in Houthi-controlled Yemen. At the time, US officials and experts contacted by Business Insider concluded that Iran likely supplied the missiles to the Houthis.

But the latest attack on the Saudis may give the US Navy pause in the future.

In a questionable video of the attack, people near the camera can be heard shouting "Death to America," "Death to Israel," and "Death to Jews." One Pentagon official told the Washington Examiner that the Houthis may have mistaken the Saudi ship they attacked for a US Navy ship, though another official denied it.

In any case, the US Navy frequently deals with Iranian fast-attack craft swarming its vessels and approaching closely. In one case last year, Iranian fast-attack craft got within 300 yards of a US Navy vessel.
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(Iran's fast-attack craft, the type repeatedly used to harass US Navy ships

The US Navy responded by attempting to contact the Iranians, maneuvering evasively, blowing the horn, then firing warning shots.

But according to Brennan, the US may not allow hostile, unresponsive ships to get so close to Navy vessels after a force associated with Iran used suicide boats to kill two Saudi sailors.

"The overarching duty of self-defense mandates revision of the ROE to provide a sufficient 'bubble' to prevent the risk of a suicide attack, particularly from swarming boats," Brennan said in an email to Business Insider.

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(Knowing what it does about suicide boats, should the US Navy allow hostile craft to get within a 300-yard "bubble" of its ships?US Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Brian Caracci)

US President Donald Trump has signaled his intention to respond more forcefully.

"With Iran," Trump said while campaigning in Florida in September, "when they circle our beautiful destroyers with their little boats, and they make gestures at our people that they shouldn't be allowed to make, they will be shot out of the water."

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/us-may-consider-firing-iranian-162900117.html

[DONNIEP]

Nah, I don't think anybody in the administration wants a war. But...the Iranians know they're playing with fire. And what are they gonna do if we punch some big ass holes in their boats?

[Nickdfresh]

Kill our people in retaliation? Then what do we do?

[FORD]

Allegedly, Nostrodamus predicted that World War III would begin on 1/22/2017. Maybe he was off by a couple of weeks? :(

[DONNIEP]

Kill our people in retaliation? Then what do we do?

So we just let our ships sit there and do nothing? And if Iran isn't really all that powerful then what's to worry about?

Not trying to argue here but if the Iranians are buzzing our ships in a threatening manner then what are the sailors supposed to do?

[Nickdfresh]

So we just let our ships sit there and do nothing? And if Iran isn't really all that powerful then what's to worry about?

Not trying to argue here but if the Iranians are buzzing our ships in a threatening manner then what are the sailors supposed to do?

No, they can defend themselves if attacked...

They have fired warning shots if you read the article...

[DONNIEP]

No, they can defend themselves if attacked...

They have fired warning shots if you read the article...

Yes I know they've fired warning shots and that worked in the past. Probably will work next time too. But, like I said, the Iranians are playing with fire and if one of their idiots gets too close then they're gonna get sunk.

[cadaverdog]

This is nothing new. This has been going on for decades.

[cadaverdog]

Kill our people in retaliation? Then what do we do?
Kill some of theirs.

[Kristy]

Just get on with it.

The planet is too polluted, over populated and growing more and more retarded everyday.

The herd needs to be thinned more than slave SESH's hairline. Nuke about a 1/3 of the Middle East, bring back conscription and send about 3 million Millennial ardfucktards to their death and another few million from the fallout.

Then, as Devo says, it will be a "beautiful world" to live in.

Just get the fuck on with it.

GEESH

[Seshmeister]

The herd needs to be thinned more than slave SESH's hairline. Nuke about a 1/3 of the Middle East, bring back conscription and send about 3 million Millennial ardfucktards to their death and another few million from the fallout.

GEESH

The really funny thing about this is you not realizing you would be the first against the wall if any thinning ever came.

In the ladder of useful members of society where do you think you are standing? Somewhere between unemployed blind juggler and retired local radio ventriloquist act. :)

[Nitro Express]

This is nothing new. This has been going on for decades.

Yup. Everyone is going bat shit crazy right now. You have B list celebrities wanting to blow up the White House or have a military coup then you have Iran pushing it. You have a bunch of punks in Berkley riot just because some gay dude from the UK wants to talk to some people wearing a native headdress. You can't make this shit up.

[Seshmeister]

Shit like students protesting is nothing new, what is new is your president threatening like some Tangerine Dictator to take away hundreds of millions of research grants.

Ludicrous.

[Nitro Express]

Shit like students protesting is nothing new, what is new is your president threatening like some Tangerine Dictator to take away hundreds of millions of research grants.

Ludicrous.

It wasn't a protest. It was a riot over someone giving a speech on campus. Where was the police? The mayor and university did nothing. So yeah when you have an institution that let's riots happen just because someone is scheduled to speak on campus and they are using our tax money why not threaten to cut it off. You would think the students would protest over the overpriced tuition they are being saddled with but they are too dumb to do so.

[Seshmeister]

Just kids having fun, it's their role at that point.

Also not the first time for this guy in the last year never mind now that you have the Kremlin Kommendant for them to get upset about.



Rutgers University
On 9 February 2016, Yiannopoulos spoke at Rutgers University. At the start of his speech, female protestors suddenly stood up among the crowd and began smearing red paint on their faces before chanting "Black Lives Matter". The mostly pro-Yiannopoulos crowd responded by chanting "Trump" over and over again until the protestors left, allowing Yiannopoulos to continue his speech.[105]

University of Minnesota
On 17 February 2016, a student-run conservative magazine at the University of Minnesota hosted Yiannopolous and Christina Hoff Sommers, and the event was also met by protesters. Roughly 40 protestors outside repeatedly chanted "Yiannopoulos, out of Minneapolis," while about five protestors made it inside the event, shouting and sounding noisemakers, before being escorted out by security.[106] In response to these protests, members of the university faculty began pushing for more robust free speech protections at Minnesota.[107]

DePaul University
On 24 May 2016 Yiannopoulos's speech at DePaul University was interrupted after about 15 minutes by two protesters who rushed the stage: DePaul alumnus and pastor Edward Ward, and student Kayla Johnson.[108][109] The crowd overwhelmingly began booing the protesters, at one point chanting "Get a job." The campus security team that university administrators required the College Republicans to hire the day before (at an extra cost of $1,000, part of which was paid by Yiannopoulos himself), did not make an effort to remove the protesters.[110][111] This was in addition to further protests outside the event venue both before and after the event, which featured students reacting violently to Yiannopoulos's supporters.[112]

In the aftermath of the incident, university president Dennis H. Holtschneider issued a statement reaffirming the value of free speech and apologising for the harm caused by Yiannopolous's appearance on the campus. Attendees of the talk, organised by DePaul's College Republican's Chapter, criticised university police and event security for not removing the protesters.[113][114] Yiannopoulos later stated that he and the College Republicans wanted a refund of the money that was paid to the security team that ultimately did nothing.[115][116][117] The university later agreed to reimburse the College Republicans for the costs of event security.[118] Within three days, the university's ratings on Facebook became overwhelmingly dominated by 1-star reviews. This ultimately accumulated over 16,000 1-star reviews that brought the university's average to 1.1, before the page's rating system was closed indefinitely.[119]

UCLA
Yiannopoulos spoke at the University of California, Los Angeles on 31 May 2016 where the event featured an interview-style presentation alongside Dave Rubin of The Rubin Report. Prior to the start of the event, protesters formed human chains to block the front door to the theatre where the event was scheduled to take place. In response, those who wanted to attend the event were forced to sneak in through the back door, although the protesters also found out about that entrance and attempted to block it as well, subsequently leading to several attendees shoving their way through the crowd to get in. The Los Angeles Police Department officers on duty then had to prevent protesters from entering while letting attendees pass through, thus delaying the event for about an hour until the room could fill to capacity. Twice during the speech, Yiannopoulos was interrupted by a female protester who shouted "You're spreading hate," and was subsequently booed by the audience; despite seeming to leave after the first outburst, she returned to heckle him again before finally being escorted out of the venue.[120] The next day, it was revealed that the LAPD had come in as the event was ending and told all those still in the theatre that they had to be evacuated due to a bomb threat.[121]

University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
Yiannopoulos spoke at the University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee on 13 December 2016, hosted by Turning Point USA. President-elect Donald Trump appeared nearby the same day; Yiannopoulos is a Trump supporter. In his talk, Yiannopoulos mocked a transgender student who had protested a UWM locker room policy.[122][123] More than 300 students and faculty had signed a letter of protest delivered to Mark Mone's office the week before the event. In response, Mone's office issued a statement noting that "UWM does not endorse Yiannopoulos' views" and "no tuition or segregated fee funds are being used to support the event."[124]

UC Davis
On 13 January 2017, Yiannopoulos' event (which was also going to feature entrepreneur Martin Shkreli) at the University of California, Davis was cancelled after protests.[125] Yiannopoulos said that the event was cancelled due to violence, but this was disputed by the police, who said that there was no evidence of violence or property destruction.[126] One person was arrested for resisting arrest.[127]

University of Washington
On 20 January 2017, Yiannopoulos spoke at the University of Washington. The event sparked large protests outside the event, adding to the violent protests at which brick and fireworks were thrown by demonstrators protesting the inauguration of Donald Trump.[128] A 34-year-old man was shot while protesting the event, and was put into intensive care at a hospital in Seattle, having suffered from life-threatening injuries.[129] The man has since been declared to be in a stable condition. The as-of-yet un-named shooter – a 29 year old and a former student of the University of Washington – was attending the event in support of Yiannopoulos and President Donald Trump. He eventually turned himself in to the University of Washington Police, and he was later questioned and released without being charged with a crime. A witness recalled seeing someone release pepper spray in the crowd, which triggered the shooting confrontation. Through his lawyer, the shooting victim announced he plans to make a public statement at a later date.[130][129][131]

UC Berkeley
On 1 February 2017, Yiannopoulos was scheduled to make a speech at UC Berkeley at 8:00 pm. Over 1,000 people gathered to non-violently protest the event.[132] According to the university, around 150 masked agitators came onto campus and interrupted the protest, setting fires, damaging property, throwing fireworks, attacking members of the crowd, and throwing rocks at the police.[133] Citing security concerns, the UC Police Department decided to cancel the event.[132][134] Afterwards, President Donald Trump criticized the university on Twitter for failing to allow freedom of speech, and threatened to defund it.

[FORD]

Yup. Everyone is going bat shit crazy right now. You have B list celebrities wanting to blow up the White House or have a military coup then you have Iran pushing it. You have a bunch of punks in Berkley riot just because some gay dude from the UK wants to talk to some people wearing a native headdress. You can't make this shit up.

Actually the biggest problem is the B list celebrity IN the White House, and the fact that his main advisors are a theocratic dominionist (Pence), a White Supremacist blogger (Steve Bannon), and the USSR's version of Poppy Bush (Pooty)

[Va Beach VH Fan]

This is nothing new. This has been going on for decades.


Exactly.....

Not that I agree with Trump's unnecessary "on notice" bloviation, but these Navy pissing contests happen all the time....

In the mid '80's, in the Western Pacific, we were in the same area as a Russian aircraft carrier.... Both ships were doing their own version of reconnaissance and intelligence... At lot of us were checking the Russians out on the main deck....

Then the Russians starting doing circles around us... That carrier had a lot more "horsepower" than our ship....

Our ship had the Commander of the 7th Fleet onboard, a 3-star Admiral..... He called Kadena AB in Japan, and within an hour or so, with all of us still on the main deck gawking, next thing you know two F-14's got down to about 200 feet above the water and buzzed the Russian's bow (the front).... We all went nuts....

But that was that....

[Nickdfresh]

The problem is that we had Robo-Vincennes in the 1980's where a dickhead Navy captain ended up shooting down an airliner...

[Nickdfresh]

It wasn't a protest. It was a riot over someone giving a speech on campus. Where was the police? The mayor and university did nothing. So yeah when you have an institution that let's riots happen just because someone is scheduled to speak on campus and they are using our tax money why not threaten to cut it off. You would think the students would protest over the overpriced tuition they are being saddled with but they are too dumb to do so.

It's amazing what a stick up your ass you have about this? But white people with automatic weapons taking over federal parks is probably a valid "protest" in your opine?

[Nickdfresh]

Yup. Everyone is going bat shit crazy right now. You have B list celebrities wanting to blow up the White House or have a military coup then you have Iran pushing it. You have a bunch of punks in Berkley riot just because some gay dude from the UK wants to talk to some people wearing a native headdress. You can't make this shit up.

OMG calm the fuck down! You're really worried about that insurgent leader, Madonna and her disturbingly masculine arms?

[Nickdfresh]

The protesters are right though! Yanni and his fucking panflute must be stopped!
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[Va Beach VH Fan]

The problem is that we had Robo-Vincennes in the 1980's where a dickhead Navy captain ended up shooting down an airliner...


Well, yes, you're right, that was a really bad situation in '88. But let's put it into complete context....

First, let's remember that a helicopter from the Vincennes got fired upon to start the situation.... And let me tell you, when you're underway in that part of the world and you get fired upon, as the CO I'm sure he was pissed...

Now, that doesn't justify shooting down a civilian airliner, but I'm just giving you the complete scenario....

Also, let's not forget the attack on the Stark (by Iraq, though) in '87.... That killed 37 Sailors.... Not to mention the Samuel B. Roberts striking an Iranian mine a few months before in '88....

My point is that in that part of the world, it doesn't take much at all to set things off....

[cadaverdog]

Well, yes, you're right, that was a really bad situation in '88. But let's put it into complete context....

First, let's remember that a helicopter from the Vincennes got fired upon to start the situation.... And let me tell you, when you're underway in that part of the world and you get fired upon, as the CO I'm sure he was pissed...

Now, that doesn't justify shooting down a civilian airliner, but I'm just giving you the complete scenario....

Also, let's not forget the attack on the Stark (by Iraq, though) in '87.... That killed 37 Sailors.... Not to mention the Samuel B. Roberts striking an Iranian mine a few months before in '88....

My point is that in that part of the world, it doesn't take much at all to set things off....
I heard the IFF on the airliner wasn't functioning.

[cadaverdog]

The protesters are right though! Yanni and his fucking panflute must be stopped!
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That's because you're a Zamfir fan.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

I heard the IFF on the airliner wasn't functioning.

All of the consoles in the CIC on the ship showed a civilian IFF, not military...

[Nickdfresh]

All of the consoles in the CIC on the ship showed a civilian IFF, not military...

Yeah, they thought it was an IAF F-14 Tomcat. But not sure what an IAF F-14 could have done or if it was even adapted for antiship...

[FORD]

It's amazing what a stick up your ass you have about this? But white people with automatic weapons taking over federal parks is probably a valid "protest" in your opine?

Well of course! Those guys were Mormons! :biggrin:

[Nitro Express]

Well of course! Those guys were Mormons! :biggrin:

Well the Mormons are still planning on taking over once the liberals who have no children die off. They don't need automatic weapons. They simply will out breed you and like the Jews the smart ones are very smart. The Bundy's are the hick fringe from southern Utah. They are the nutters and Bundy is the more sane side of the nutters. The nutty nutty are the FLDS.

[Nitro Express]

OMG calm the fuck down! You're really worried about that insurgent leader, Madonna and her disturbingly masculine arms?

I'm not worried. I'm entertained. It's fun to watch Trump and Milo trigger em all.

[Nitro Express]

It's amazing what a stick up your ass you have about this? But white people with automatic weapons taking over federal parks is probably a valid "protest" in your opine?

Building up a straw man are we Nick? Naw I thought what went down in Burns was pretty stupid. At least they cleaned up the buildings they were in and didn't trash the place.

[cadaverdog]

All of the consoles in the CIC on the ship showed a civilian IFF, not military...
Obviously IFF frequencies or codes for civilian aircraft aren't top secret. They couldn't be sure it was a civilian aircraft without visual verification.

[Seshmeister]

The problem is that we had Robo-Vincennes in the 1980's where a dickhead Navy captain ended up shooting down an airliner...

Which leads to 250 people being murdered here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103

There are so many reasons for not being a gung-ho asshole. I hear your new guy Mattis is at least a student of history and is smart enough so we can only hope he protects us from the worst of the Tangerine Terror.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Obviously IFF frequencies or codes for civilian aircraft aren't top secret. They couldn't be sure it was a civilian aircraft without visual verification.


I wasn't an Operations Specialist (for the non-sailors.... OS - the guys that work in CIC), but from what I've been told the codes are clearly definable...

The controversy is that the actual sailors said the AEGIS consoles on the ship were showing a military aircraft and the flight was descending, but the history logs on those consoles showed a civilian aircraft and ascending....

[Seshmeister]

How would the US have reacted if that had been an American airliner shot down by someone else?

[Va Beach VH Fan]

How would the US have reacted if that had been an American airliner shot down by someone else?


It's one helluva what-if question, especially because it's considered a 'tragic accident'....

Assuming it happened at the same time, Reagan was still President... Would he have taken action after an 'accident'?

I guess also depends on who the "someone else" is, right?

[Seshmeister]

It's this thing where one of our lives is worth 500 Yemenis or whatever and then we are surprised when they hate us.

I could be wrong but my memory of that event was not the appropriate massive wailing 'fucking hell we are so fucking sorry' that it merited.

If you were Iranian you were entirely justified in hating the US for past deeds and the UK for that matter before this even happened.

[DONNIEP]

Hello. You people are all insane if you think the US shot down an Iranian airliner on purpose. I suggest you all go to Iran and try to immigrate and try to salve the wounds.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Hello. You people are all insane if you think the US shot down an Iranian airliner on purpose. I suggest you all go to Iran and try to immigrate and try to salve the wounds.


I never said nor implied that the CO shot down the airliner on purpose....

What I am saying is that in the heat of battle that mistakes get made.... Sometimes tragic ones, turns out....

When you take into account the sequence of events that day, which started by having one of his helicopters being fired upon by the Iranians in international waters, trust me when I say that everyone on that ship had their adrenaline pumping like DLR on a Sunset Strip coke binge.....

[cadaverdog]

I wasn't an Operations Specialist (for the non-sailors.... OS - the guys that work in CIC), but from what I've been told the codes are clearly definable...


I'm sure they are but what would stop an enemy dead set on embarrassing the US by sinking one of it's most modern warships by having a fighter squawking civilian airliners IFF codes ? Obviously that's not what happened but that might have been what they suspected was going on at the time.

[Nitro Express]

Which leads to 250 people being murdered here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103

There are so many reasons for not being a gung-ho asshole. I hear your new guy Mattis is at least a student of history and is smart enough so we can only hope he protects us from the worst of the Tangerine Terror.


In a lecture last year at Whitman College in Walla Walla, Mattis acknowledged that diplomacy and military force sometimes must go hand-in- hand.

“Let me tell you what my real job was at CentComm,” Mattis said near the end of his talk. “It was to try to keep the peace, or what passed for peace, for one more year, one more week, one more day, one more hour so that Secretary Clinton and the diplomats could try to work their magic and keep another catastrophic war from happening.”

Mattis is supposed to be a brilliant strategist and he also believes in using diplomacy to avoid war and war is the last resort. Pretty much the opposite of Donald Rumsfeld. If you notice Trump hasn't let any of the chicken hawk neocons into his cabinet.

[Nitro Express]

How would the US have reacted if that had been an American airliner shot down by someone else?

Invade a country that had nothing to do with shooting it down. We get attacked by Saudi nationals on 9/11 so we invade Iraq.

[Seshmeister]

Did you hear that the Uk recently test fired a Trident missile at a target in West Africa from the coast of Florida and it went the wrong way and had to be destroyed over the US?

Our excuse being well you made the fucking thing. :)

I could just see us accidentally nuking Chicago and the US retaliating by invading Iran...

[FORD]

Given the theocratic tendencies of the Orangeministration, I really think it's time for the Dead Kennedys to stop hating each other and do an update of this song. Most of the names mentioned here are dead now, but other than that, it seems to be a case of fucked up history repeating itself......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zNgeEwUfDA

You call yourself the Moral Majority
We call ourselves the people in the real world
Trying to rub us out, but we're going to survive
God must be dead if you're alive

You say, 'God loves you. Come and buy the Good News'
Then you buy the president and swimming pools
If Jesus don't save 'til we're lining your pockets
God must be dead if you're alive

Circus-tent con-men and Southern belle bunnies
Milk your emotions then they steal your money
It's the new dark ages with the fascists toting bibles
Cheap nostalgia for the Salem Witch Trials

Stodgy ayatollahs in their dobble-knit ties
Burn lots of books so they can feed you their lies
Masturbating with a flag and a bible
God must be dead if you're alive

Blow it out your ass, Jerry Falwell
Blow it out your ass, Jesse Helms
Blow it out your ass, Ronald Reagan
What's wrong with a mind of my own?

You don't want abortions, you want battered children
You want to ban the pill as if that solves the problem
Now you wanna force us to pray in school
God must be dead if you're such a fool

You're planning for a war with or without Iran
Building a police state with the Ku Klux Klan
Pissed at your neighbour? Don't bother to nag
Pick up the phone and turn in a fag

Blow it out your ass, Terry Dolan
Blow it out your ass, Phyllis Schlafly
Ram it up your cunt, Anita
Cos God must be dead
If you're alive
God must be dead
If you're alive

[vandeleur]

Did you hear that the Uk recently test fired a Trident missile at a target in West Africa from the coast of Florida and it went the wrong way and had to be destroyed over the US?

Our excuse being well you made the fucking thing. :)

I could just see us accidentally nuking Chicago and the US retaliating by invading Iran...

I liked may being brought in to question did she know..... or not being brought to task I should say.

I loved the idea of us nuking them ..... total dr strange love :D

[FORD]

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