We Will NEVER Forget the Terrorist Tragedy at Bowling Green!!

[Nickdfresh]

More unhingement from the people that grabbed Von by the Pussy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-w16cyQ8wQ
A top White House adviser cited a nonexistent terror attack in MSNBC interview
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(Kellyanne Conway.Screenshot via MSNBC)
One of President Donald Trump's top White House advisers referred to a terror attack that never happened in an MSNBC interview that aired on Thursday night.

Kellyanne Conway suggested that the so-called "Bowling Green Massacre" in Bowling Green, Kentucky, was one of the catalysts for Trump's executive order banning nationals from seven Muslim-majority states like Iraq.

There was no such attack in the US.

During her interview with MSNBC's Chris Matthews, Conway described the false incident as two Iraqi refugees having come to the US, becoming radicalized, and masterminding the nonexistent attack. Conway offered no evidence to back up her claims and flatly suggested that "most people don't know ... because it didn't get covered."

Neither Conway, nor a White House spokesperson immediately responded to a request for comment.

The only incident surrounding Iraqi refugees and Bowling Green, Kentucky, in recent history was a 2011 case in which two Iraqi nationals were indicted on federal charges on accusations that they tried to provide material support to terrorists and to al Qaeda in Iraq.

The FBI's 2011 press release said that the two men, Waad Ramadan Alwan, 30, and Mohanad Shareef Hammadi, 23, were former residents of Iraq who lived in Bowling Green at the time of their arrests. Alwan was sentenced to 40 years in federal prison in and Hammadi received a life term in 2013, the FBI said.

Despite Conway's allegations, there was no massacre in Bowling Green, and, according to the FBI's statement on the matter, there was no plan for a terror attack in that city.

Watch the video below:


The Trump administration has used the threat of a terror attack in the US to justify travel bans that target people from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen — keeping them from entering the US for 90 days.

The executive order has been criticized from nearly every corner of American life — from Silicon Valley, to the auto industry, to major banks, the nation's top universities, leading GOP senators, and beyond.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/top-white-house-adviser-cited-052133231.html

[cadaverdog]

The executive order has been criticized from nearly every corner of American life — from Silicon Valley, to the auto industry, to major banks, the nation's top universities, leading GOP senators, and beyond.

I heard the same thing when he ordered a pepperoni pizza from Dominoes the other day. Liberals everywhere blew a gasket because he ordered it with extra cheese.

[Nickdfresh]

That's fake news! You really think:

a.) As a New Yawker, Trump would eat Dominos shitty saltine crust pizza with plastic cheese?

b.) Trump eats plebe food at Dominos?

[FORD]

http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r589/duadmin/170203-white-house-made-up-reasons_zpsi2bptmbe.jpg

[cadaverdog]

That's fake news! You really think:

a.) As a New Yawker, Trump would eat Dominos shitty saltine crust pizza with plastic cheese?

b.) Trump eats plebe food at Dominos?
Trump's a big junk food fan. He had those Trump steaks made by the same company that supplies McDonalds with their pink slime meat stuff.

[cadaverdog]

http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r589/duadmin/170203-white-house-made-up-reasons_zpsi2bptmbe.jpg
I remember hearing about the Bowling Green massacre. Happened just like she said it did.

[cadaverdog]

Here's rock solid proof it happened.
https://www.bowlinggreenmassacrefund.com/

[Va Beach VH Fan]

One thing's for sure - We all know how Trump eats pizza....

[Greatest clip in Daily Show history - I miss Jon....]


http://www.cc.com/video-clips/0ect4f/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-me-lover-s-pizza-with-crazy-broad

[Nickdfresh]

Trump's a big junk food fan. He had those Trump steaks made by the same company that supplies McDonalds with their pink slime meat stuff.

They don't do Pink Slime anymore, IIRC. But their beef is just fucking god awful and I have to remind myself of that by eating there once in a while. They're beef is like "Grade C or D" or something, but awful cow ass stuff.

I'd kill to try In and Out Burger...

[Nickdfresh]

One thing's for sure - We all know how Trump eats pizza....

[Greatest clip in Daily Show history - I miss Jon....]


http://www.cc.com/video-clips/0ect4f/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-me-lover-s-pizza-with-crazy-broad

I may hate Trump, but even I wouldn't accuse him of eating the Dominatrix shiite!

[FORD]

Trump's a big junk food fan. He had those Trump steaks made by the same company that supplies McDonalds with their pink slime meat stuff.

Actually, Cheeto eats his pizza with a fucking knife & fork. This is why he lost the votes of New Yorkers......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Asv7EB1btok

[Nickdfresh]

Actually, Cheeto eats his pizza with a fucking knife & fork. This is why he lost the votes of New Yorkers......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Asv7EB1btok

What a pansy dilettante!

[cadaverdog]

They don't do Pink Slime anymore, IIRC. But their beef is just fucking god awful and I have to remind myself of that by eating there once in a while. They're beef is like "Grade C or D" or something, but awful cow ass stuff.

I'd kill to try In and Out Burger...
When you don't have a McDonalds nearby you Jones for it after a while. I tried that new double Big Mac last time I was there. It was yuge. They overdid the secret sauce but otherwise it was mighty tasty. In N Out does make a damn good burger. They pay their employees a decent wage too because they have kept their menu pretty much the same for decades. Burgers, fries, sodas and shakes. I usually order a double double with sauce and grilled onions only. Carl's Junior and Hardees make some good burgers and chicken sandwiches too. Whataburger's pretty decent as well. I had a Jack In The Box Jumbo Jack meal for lunch today. Had to go into the big city to do a favor for my great nephew. Jack makes a decent burger too.

[cadaverdog]

I may hate Trump, but even I wouldn't accuse him of eating the Dominatrix shiite!

Better than Little Caesars or Papa Johns.

[Nitro Express]

Actually, Cheeto eats his pizza with a fucking knife & fork. This is why he lost the votes of New Yorkers......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Asv7EB1btok

Probably because he's in a suit and doesn't want to risk having grease from the pizza drip on his tie. You kind of eat different when you are dressed nice than you do if you are in a T-Shirt and shorts. No wonder New York has problems. They vote according to how you eat pizza and not the person's actual accomplishments.

[Nitro Express]

In and Out is ok for a chain but hell we got plenty of mom and pop places that can make a better burger. Some places let you choose your meat. Do you want bison, half beef and half bison, beef only.

[Nitro Express]

http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r589/duadmin/170203-white-house-made-up-reasons_zpsi2bptmbe.jpg

Nobody gave a shit when Bill Clinton gave a hard ass talk on immigration. Nobody gave a damn about Obama taking sanctuary away from Cuban refugees either. It's all partisan politics. It's who does it, not the act.

[qikgts]

Here's rock solid proof it happened.
https://www.bowlinggreenmassacrefund.com/

That's some fake ass shit right there with the Conway quote at the bottom and all... lol

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/03/us/politics/bowling-green-massacre-kellyanne-conway.html?_r=0

On Friday morning, Ms. Conway admitted she had put out wrong information. "Honest mistakes abound," she wrote on Twitter...

[cadaverdog]

Actually, Cheeto eats his pizza with a fucking knife & fork. This is why he lost the votes of New Yorkers......

He lost the vote in New York because New York is full of liberals. I suppose you're gonna tell me he lost the entire West Coast because he doesn't smoke reefer.

[cadaverdog]

That's some fake ass shit right there with the Conway quote at the bottom and all... lol
I hit the link to donate just to see what it said. It was donations for the ACLU.

[Nitro Express]

He lost the vote in New York because New York is full of liberals. I suppose you're gonna tell me he lost the entire West Coast because he doesn't smoke reefer.

People vote for the sugar daddy or they vote against the sugar daddy. Three types of people in this country. Those who want to go their own way. Those who sell their soul for a promise. Those who sell the promise to keep people captive.

[cadaverdog]

Nobody gave a shit when Bill Clinton gave a hard ass talk on immigration. Nobody gave a damn about Obama taking sanctuary away from Cuban refugees either. It's all partisan politics. It's who does it, not the act.
Just like nobody bitched when Obama put a six month ban on Iraquis. This article gives a slightly different scenario but it brings up Islamic refugees being indicted in Bowling Green Kentucky. It also brings up Jimmy Carters banning of Iranians coming here while he was in office. Hard to find fault in that though considering what was going on in Iran at the time.
http://heavy.com/news/2017/01/barack-obama-ban-refugees-did-iraq-iraqi-muslim-trump-jimmy-carter-iran-iranian-immigration/
I've never heard of Heavy as a news source but they appear somewhat unbiased to me.

[cadaverdog]

In and Out is ok for a chain but hell we got plenty of mom and pop places that can make a better burger. Some places let you choose your meat. Do you want bison, half beef and half bison, beef only.
They have a burger joint in the next town over that sells a damn fine burger. The Burger Barn. One of the untastiest new trends is the grilled cheese hamburger or the grilled cheese cheeseburger with even more constipation power. Rallys and Checkers serve a cheeseburger with regular and liquid cheese that's pretty foul tasting.

[Nitro Express]

Just like nobody bitched when Obama put a six month ban on Iraquis. This article gives a slightly different scenario but it brings up Islamic refugees being indicted in Bowling Green Kentucky. It also brings up Jimmy Carters banning of Iranians coming here while he was in office. Hard to find fault in that though considering what was going on in Iran at the time.
http://heavy.com/news/2017/01/barack-obama-ban-refugees-did-iraq-iraqi-muslim-trump-jimmy-carter-iran-iranian-immigration/
I've never heard of Heavy as a news source but they appear somewhat unbiased to me.

Nobody bitched about a lot of things because you don't bitch against your own team. Partisan politics is about as sophisticated as a sports rivalry or a religion. It's human psychology. In many ways we haven't evolved much further than the witch hunts. Putin did it. Yeah right. Hillary Clinton had to be one of the most incompetent campaigners I have ever seen. She blew it and she blew it with so much on her side. The media, the financing, most the big corporations. All Trump had was his deplorables, some of his own money, and a Twitter account. He thought outside the box and ran a new strategy and Hillary never adapted. She ran her old strategy and lost. Now they come up with all sorts of excuses and now they obstruct and smear. They can't articulate anything new because they can't adapt to a new environment. It's big fund raising, get the celebrities out, get the old dusty media out, slag, obstruct, throw some tantrums, cry for a coup. I mean it's entertaining as hell. I mean the Obama Administration had it all set up for Hillary to come in. The Justice Department wasn't going to prosecute her. Loretta Lynch had the red carpet out for her and she still failed.

[Nitro Express]

They have a burger joint in the next town over that sells a damn fine burger. The Burger Barn. One of the untastiest new trends is the grilled cheese hamburger or the grilled cheese cheeseburger with even more constipation power. Rallys and Checkers serve a cheeseburger with regular and liquid cheese that's pretty foul tasting.

My wife likes Five Guys. I don't see what the big deal is. Their fries are kind of nasty. The burger is ok but I can think of five places where we live that can make a better burger. You can have the classic American burger that's old school or you can get a gourmet type burger. There's one place that makes a Polynesian burger with pineapple and sweet and sour sauce that's pretty good.

[cadaverdog]

My wife likes Five Guys. I don't see what the big deal is. Their fries are kind of nasty. The burger is ok but I can think of five places where we live that can make a better burger. You can have the classic American burger that's old school or you can get a gourmet type burger. There's one place that makes a Polynesian burger with pineapple and sweet and sour sauce that's pretty good.
There used to be a place by the beach when I was a little dude that sold griddle dogs. Fried hot dogs with cheese on a hamburger bun. I'll bet the Beach Boys ate there quite often. It was called Hamburger Hamlet.

[FORD]

He lost the vote in New York because New York is full of liberals. I suppose you're gonna tell me he lost the entire West Coast because he doesn't smoke reefer.

No, he lost the entire West Coast because he's a goddamned fascist!

[FORD]

My wife likes Five Guys. I don't see what the big deal is. Their fries are kind of nasty. The burger is ok but I can think of five places where we live that can make a better burger. You can have the classic American burger that's old school or you can get a gourmet type burger. There's one place that makes a Polynesian burger with pineapple and sweet and sour sauce that's pretty good.

Still haven't been to the Five Guys on the west end of town yet. It's been here a couple years now but I keep forgetting to go there when I'm in that area. I've heard mixed reviews, but I'm sure I'll get in there eventually. Even though the traffic conditions and parking around there generally suck ass.

[cadaverdog]

No, he lost the entire West Coast because he's a goddamned fascist!
A fascist? Give me a fucking break. He's not a Nazi, he's not a fascist. At worst he's a radical right winger. People like you have made a big deal out of everything he's done but most of the things he's done have been done before. He banned ragheads from certain countries from entering the U S for 90 days. Obama banned Iraqis from coming here for six months. Carter banned Iranians from coming here indefinitely. He appointed conservatives to certain posts. Obama appointed liberals. He even appointed Hillary Clinton to be Secretary of State. He wants to build a wall between here and Mexico. Obama built a partial wall between here and there. Hillary and Bubba called for a "barrier" along the border as well.

[Kristy]

That's some fake ass shit right there with the Conway quote at the bottom and all... lol

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/03/us/politics/bowling-green-massacre-kellyanne-conway.html?_r=0

On Friday morning, Ms. Conway admitted she had put out wrong information. "Honest mistakes abound," she wrote on Twitter...


Thanks, NSA agent provocateur/spy.

[Kristy]

WikiNiki may think it's funny but there is actually an "Bowling Green Massacre Fund:

https://www.bowlinggreenmassacrefund.com/

Please donate.

[Nickdfresh]

WikiNiki may think it's funny but there is actually an "Bowling Green Massacre Fund:

https://www.bowlinggreenmassacrefund.com/

Please donate.

Give til it hurts. Also, put your head in a heated oven til it hurts...

[Von Halen]

Also, put your head in a heated oven til it hurts...

I was going to tell you that wasn't a nice thing to say. But actually, it's good advice.

[Kristy]

Please die of testicular cancer, Von.

[FORD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw47rbFHU8Y

[FORD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wZe6DZl3N0

[Nitro Express]

Still haven't been to the Five Guys on the west end of town yet. It's been here a couple years now but I keep forgetting to go there when I'm in that area. I've heard mixed reviews, but I'm sure I'll get in there eventually. Even though the traffic conditions and parking around there generally suck ass.

Some people love Five Guys. I think it's ok but don't see what the big deal is. I think my all time favorite place for a burger was Nasty Norah's in Eugene, Oregon. She was like this take no shit tough blue collar cafe owner and she had what was called the Brahma Bull burger. I don't know where she got the buns but the burger was as big as a small dinner plate. It was probably ten inches across. She had an autographed picture of John Belushi on the wall. He ate there when they were filming Animal House. But you would have like truck drivers and loggers in there telling lies and Norah would be telling them they were all full of shit. Ha! ha! You almost went to enjoy the insults.

[Nitro Express]

There used to be a place by the beach when I was a little dude that sold griddle dogs. Fried hot dogs with cheese on a hamburger bun. I'll bet the Beach Boys ate there quite often. It was called Hamburger Hamlet.

What beach? I spent my summers in Newport Beach and they had little places that would send out their own fishing boats and you could get fresh fish. Always had good fish and chips.

[Nitro Express]

No, he lost the entire West Coast because he's a goddamned fascist!

He hasn't been in office long enough to prove he is. A fascist is Hitler or Mussolini. I mean if you start to see people disappear and heavy handed police activity then you might have some concern. It looked like a hard fought presidential campaign to me. I see it as partisan politics. If Ted Cruz would have won they would be calling him the same names. The I-5 corridor is pretty much controlled by the Democrat Party so they are going to vote whoever is riding the donkey that election. You could run a scarecrow on the Democratic ticket in California now for governor and it would get elected.

[Nitro Express]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw47rbFHU8Y





https://youtu.be/dZpRosW0n7c

Ha! Ha! Ha!

"She looks like a bar fly from the Jersey shore. Is this the classy face of the Trump Administration? Someone who looks like they came off a bar binge at 5AM?" You got to love Savage when he's on a roll.

[Kristy]

Leave it to slave FORD to post a pro-Jew video

[Kristy]

"She looks like a bar fly from the Jersey shore. Is this the classy face of the Trump Administration?

Lady Skeletor

[FORD]

He hasn't been in office long enough to prove he is. A fascist is Hitler or Mussolini. I mean if you start to see people disappear and heavy handed police activity then you might have some concern. It looked like a hard fought presidential campaign to me. I see it as partisan politics. If Ted Cruz would have won they would be calling him the same names. The I-5 corridor is pretty much controlled by the Democrat Party so they are going to vote whoever is riding the donkey that election. You could run a scarecrow on the Democratic ticket in California now for governor and it would get elected.

Ted Cruz was a theocratic dominionist "Christian shariah law" type of fascist, so that's different from Cheeto who seems to be a Mussolini-Hitler hybrid. Though Pence is certainly closer to the Cruz model - except he's Opus Dei Catholic rather than 7 Mountains Protestant. (ironic that the Cuban isn't the Catholic, but whatever.....)

[FORD]

Leave it to slave FORD to post a pro-Jew video



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49UTAPyEXyQ

[Nitro Express]

Lady Skeletor

Ha! ha! She looks like a sea hag. Maybe she is.

[Nitro Express]

Ted Cruz was a theocratic dominionist "Christian shariah law" type of fascist, so that's different from Cheeto who seems to be a Mussolini-Hitler hybrid. Though Pence is certainly closer to the Cruz model - except he's Opus Dei Catholic rather than 7 Mountains Protestant. (ironic that the Cuban isn't the Catholic, but whatever.....)

Ha! ha! I actually went and heard Ted Cruz's dad talk. He was one real creepy dude. I couldn't not vote for the product of his loins.

[Nitro Express]

What drives me nuts is the whole abortion issue being politicized. My mom was a nurse when abortions were illegal and she saw the results of enough botched self and illegal abortions to know making it illegal was not solving anything. Also she always said the government doesn't need to go there. My mom was pro choice and would catch lots of flack for it. We really do need a libertarian movement where you don't have to fall in with the uber right wing dorks but you don't have to fall in with the left wing crazies either. You got crazies on either side and when you are in the middle, there is some shit you just don't want to support. I think a lot of the country is in the middle but oddly there is no party that can win the presidency that we can join.

[Nitro Express]

Don Jr. campaigned here for his dad. I went to that too. Nothing like his dad at all. Maybe Donald is not the real father. Ha! ha! He was more down to earth than I thought he was going to be.

[cadaverdog]

What beach? I spent my summers in Newport Beach and they had little places that would send out their own fishing boats and you could get fresh fish. Always had good fish and chips.

I referred somebody here to Neptune's Net near Camarillo last year. Damn good seafood there. Hamburger Hamlet was probably closer to Redondo on PCH. They have a couple good seafood joints in Redondo Marina too. When I was in my mid 20s (mid 80s) I visited Newport and Huntington quite often. Spent a lot more time at Zuma. Venice is cool if you want to check out the weirdos. Last time I went there there was a pot dispensary ever 50 feet. They sold pot cards as well. You could catch a contact high just walking down the boardwalk.

[Nitro Express]

I referred somebody here to Neptune's Net near Camarillo last year. Damn good seafood there. Hamburger Hamlet was probably closer to Redondo on PCH. They have a couple good seafood joints in Redondo Marina too. When I was in my mid 20s (mid 80s) I visited Newport and Huntington quite often. Spent a lot more time at Zuma. Venice is cool if you want to check out the weirdos. Last time I went there there was a pot dispensary ever 50 feet. They sold pot cards as well. You could catch a contact high just walking down the boardwalk.

In the 70's Newport was a family oriented place. It started to get a bit more freaky in the 80's. Orange County was more conservative and LA County was more freaky. My dad hated freaks. I wanted him to take me to Hollywood and he's like there's nothing up there. I go there must be something up there. He goes there is nothing up there but freaks. I later made it to Hollywood on my own and dad was right. Lot's of freaks to be found. Ha! ha!

My dad was like Ted Knight in Caddy Shack. Ha! ha! He was a country club Republican.

[Nickdfresh]

Probably because he's in a suit and doesn't want to risk having grease from the pizza drip on his tie. You kind of eat different when you are dressed nice than you do if you are in a T-Shirt and shorts. No wonder New York has problems. They vote according to how you eat pizza and not the person's actual accomplishments.

Horse shit@!

[Nickdfresh]

Some people love Five Guys. I think it's ok but don't see what the big deal is....

Yeah, Five Guys is okay, but nothing special. I ate at the original one in Springfield, VA. the charm of eating peanuts while waiting is lost at the franchises....

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Yeah, Five Guys is okay, but nothing special. I ate at the original one in Springfield, VA. the charm of eating peanuts while waiting is lost at the franchises....

Most of the time people want to argue about Five Guys vs. In-n-Out....

Burger-wise, Five Guys has a narrow edge....

Fries-wise, Five Guys in a landslide.... The cajun fries at Five Guys are really good, while the fries at In-n-Out are absolutely lousy.... In fact, their fries are are lousy enough to negate the entire comparison discussion....

Actually, my oldest son lives in Vegas, they're all excited because they finally opened up two Chick-fil-A restaurants....

[Terry]

Nobody bitched about a lot of things because you don't bitch against your own team. Partisan politics is about as sophisticated as a sports rivalry or a religion. It's human psychology. In many ways we haven't evolved much further than the witch hunts. Putin did it. Yeah right. Hillary Clinton had to be one of the most incompetent campaigners I have ever seen. She blew it and she blew it with so much on her side. The media, the financing, most the big corporations. All Trump had was his deplorables, some of his own money, and a Twitter account. He thought outside the box and ran a new strategy and Hillary never adapted. She ran her old strategy and lost. Now they come up with all sorts of excuses and now they obstruct and smear. They can't articulate anything new because they can't adapt to a new environment. It's big fund raising, get the celebrities out, get the old dusty media out, slag, obstruct, throw some tantrums, cry for a coup. I mean it's entertaining as hell. I mean the Obama Administration had it all set up for Hillary to come in. The Justice Department wasn't going to prosecute her. Loretta Lynch had the red carpet out for her and she still failed.

Well, some of that I think falls into that longstanding retroactive reasoning which deems all winning campaigns to have sprung from a genius-level strategy and all losing campaigns to have been hopelessly inept from the get-go.

I won't deny that Trump won with a comparatively meager level of campaign staff, campaign media expenditure and what passes as a traditional approach to modern campaigning. He had universal name-recognition from the day he announced and didn't need to do spend any real money on getting himself on television by virtue of who he was and what he said. I mean, I couldn't deny any of that with a straight face, because it is the reality of what happened. Trump also benefitted from appealing to just enough people in what turned out to be crucial states that the Democratic Party in error thought they couldn't lose. The ability of him being able to make that appeal can arguably be ascribed to economic forces that have been in play for decades.

It's quite possible (and maybe probable looking back) that Hillary just wasn't the right candidate for the Democratic Party this year if they wanted to win, although she surely was right in line with what the majority of the Democratic Party (with a big D) now represents. It's certainly less soul-searching to look for external reasons for her loss (Putin, Comey) than to actually analyze what the Democratic Party has morphed into since the early 1990s along with Hillary's own flaws as a candidate. Even just in terms of her past victories when her name was on the ballot, those basically amount to 2 Senate races she won against 2 very weak opponents. I also think the DNC and the Clinton Campaign engaged in a mistaken groupthink that the Republican field as of the beginning of 2015 before Trump announced was very weak and easily beaten. Then they thought Trump was initially a novelty. Then they failed to be sufficiently rankled by the Michigan Primary results and underestimated the sentiment behind the support Sanders had. Then they thought the Republican Party wouldn't coalesce around Trump even after he won the nomination. Above it all - and this is where pretty much every (with a few exceptions) other political pundit, pollster and publication agreed virtually all the way up until the election - in the end they believed some form of deus ex machina would get Hillary the votes she needed: in the period between the last debate and the election, watching and listening to the body language of Conway, Priebus and even Trump one could tell they all thought there was a strong possibility they would lose.

In the end, the ultimate blame for Hillary's loss must be firmly applied to her and her alone. Death by a thousand cuts or not, as the candidate it was her responsibility to persuade the amount of voters needed to go out and vote for her. She failed to do so. Plain and simple. Trump beat her. Not by a resounding, overwhelming margin even when strictly referencing (by 10,000 votes) Michigan, (by 22,000 votes) Wisconsin, and (by 44,000 in) Pennsylvania. One can't make the case however, that unlike Michigan and Wisconsin she didn't compete in Florida or Pennsylvania. Or Ohio.

As to when the die was cast for the ultimate result, it may well be impossible to know with anything approaching certainly. The majority of the pre-election polling certainly wasn't indicative of anything useful in terms of the ultimate result. Even with that, was the disparity due to the polling methods, or were enough people being polled lying about who they would and wouldn't vote for to throw the result off? What was the voter breakdown about who had made their minds up regarding the candidates and how far back they did so? Is that even knowable?

Hillary ran a traditional campaign, and considering who she is and the things she and the DNC were involved in, the campaign could have been a lot worse. I mean, not by much I suppose considering the end result. I suppose the campaign did about the best it could with the candidate they had. It would be pretty dismissive about the concerns voters in the states I mentioned had if the only reason they didn't vote for Hillary came down to her not campaigning harder in those states. I tend to doubt her presence there would have persuaded those who voted for her opponent to do the opposite.

[Terry]

Most of the time people want to argue about Five Guys vs. In-n-Out....

Burger-wise, Five Guys has a narrow edge....

Fries-wise, Five Guys in a landslide.... The cajun fries at Five Guys are really good, while the fries at In-n-Out are absolutely lousy.... In fact, their fries are are lousy enough to negate the entire comparison discussion....

Actually, my oldest son lives in Vegas, they're all excited because they finally opened up two Chick-fil-A restaurants....

Five Guys is pretty tasty. Miles above McDonald's, Burger King and Wendy's. Both in initial tastiness and digestive qualities after eating. Simply put, my taste buds regarding those three chains I mentioned have morphed over the last 20 years. It went from 1) enjoying how the food tasted and having no ill after effects to 2) still enjoying the taste of the food but having occasional stomach discomfort to 3) kinda craving the taste once in awhile and submitting to that despite feeling like shit after eating it to 4) the present day where I no longer even enjoy the taste of it. I used to love the taste of Big Macs and Whoppers. Now, even the thought of eating one makes me wince.

Five Guys has a tasty burger for a reasonable price. I would say the French fries are of a pretty high quality save for the one aspect that they aren't properly drained of the cooking oil long enough before being served. By the nature of the operation, the fries are pretty much cooked to order so they have come out of the fryolator moments before being served. It's also clear that they use quality cooking oil and quality potatoes. I applaud them for that. The downside is that the fries are absolutely dripping in that oil when they are served. I am hard-pressed to see a way out from that conundrum, because if they are cooked and then thoroughly drained, the serving time will increase and turnover will slow.

At least with Five Guys I can get tasty fast food for a reasonable price reasonably quickly when I'm in the mood, and it won't sit in my stomach like a lump of cardboard and leave a foul after taste in my mouth. The one near me now serves shakes as well, and the shakes are better than any I've ever had at a McDonald's or Burger King.

I've never had an In-n-Out, but have heard nothing other than great things about those. I've also heard a lot of good things about Chick-fil-A's, and they must be doing something right by their customers, because the one that opened up near me a couple of years ago is consistently packed whenever I drive by it. I doubt I'll bother eating at one, but their business has been booming for two years straight at the one I see. Sustained much longer than some initial curiosity wave.

[Nitro Express]

Well, some of that I think falls into that longstanding retroactive reasoning which deems all winning campaigns to have sprung from a genius-level strategy and all losing campaigns to have been hopelessly inept from the get-go.

I won't deny that Trump won with a comparatively meager level of campaign staff, campaign media expenditure and what passes as a traditional approach to modern campaigning. He had universal name-recognition from the day he announced and didn't need to do spend any real money on getting himself on television by virtue of who he was and what he said. I mean, I couldn't deny any of that with a straight face, because it is the reality of what happened. Trump also benefitted from appealing to just enough people in what turned out to be crucial states that the Democratic Party in error thought they couldn't lose. The ability of him being able to make that appeal can arguably be ascribed to economic forces that have been in play for decades.

It's quite possible (and maybe probable looking back) that Hillary just wasn't the right candidate for the Democratic Party this year if they wanted to win, although she surely was right in line with what the majority of the Democratic Party (with a big D) now represents. It's certainly less soul-searching to look for external reasons for her loss (Putin, Comey) than to actually analyze what the Democratic Party has morphed into since the early 1990s along with Hillary's own flaws as a candidate. Even just in terms of her past victories when her name was on the ballot, those basically amount to 2 Senate races she won against 2 very weak opponents. I also think the DNC and the Clinton Campaign engaged in a mistaken groupthink that the Republican field as of the beginning of 2015 before Trump announced was very weak and easily beaten. Then they thought Trump was initially a novelty. Then they failed to be sufficiently rankled by the Michigan Primary results and underestimated the sentiment behind the support Sanders had. Then they thought the Republican Party wouldn't coalesce around Trump even after he won the nomination. Above it all - and this is where pretty much every (with a few exceptions) other political pundit, pollster and publication agreed virtually all the way up until the election - in the end they believed some form of deus ex machina would get Hillary the votes she needed: in the period between the last debate and the election, watching and listening to the body language of Conway, Priebus and even Trump one could tell they all thought there was a strong possibility they would lose.

In the end, the ultimate blame for Hillary's loss must be firmly applied to her and her alone. Death by a thousand cuts or not, as the candidate it was her responsibility to persuade the amount of voters needed to go out and vote for her. She failed to do so. Plain and simple. Trump beat her. Not by a resounding, overwhelming margin even when strictly referencing (by 10,000 votes) Michigan, (by 22,000 votes) Wisconsin, and (by 44,000 in) Pennsylvania. One can't make the case however, that unlike Michigan and Wisconsin she didn't compete in Florida or Pennsylvania. Or Ohio.

As to when the die was cast for the ultimate result, it may well be impossible to know with anything approaching certainly. The majority of the pre-election polling certainly wasn't indicative of anything useful in terms of the ultimate result. Even with that, was the disparity due to the polling methods, or were enough people being polled lying about who they would and wouldn't vote for to throw the result off? What was the voter breakdown about who had made their minds up regarding the candidates and how far back they did so? Is that even knowable?

Hillary ran a traditional campaign, and considering who she is and the things she and the DNC were involved in, the campaign could have been a lot worse. I mean, not by much I suppose considering the end result. I suppose the campaign did about the best it could with the candidate they had. It would be pretty dismissive about the concerns voters in the states I mentioned had if the only reason they didn't vote for Hillary came down to her not campaigning harder in those states. I tend to doubt her presence there would have persuaded those who voted for her opponent to do the opposite.

Well it was a historical campaign because it was one of the nastiest in US history. Trump won the presidency without holding a previous political office or serving as a general in the military. FDR was the first president elected by radio. JFK was the first president elected by television. Trump was the first president elected by social media and alternative media on the internet. It's an inflection point. People will be studying this election and it will change how things are done in the future. This election will go down in the history books like Truman vs Dewey.

[Nitro Express]

Five Guys is pretty tasty. Miles above McDonald's, Burger King and Wendy's. Both in initial tastiness and digestive qualities after eating. Simply put, my taste buds regarding those three chains I mentioned have morphed over the last 20 years. It went from 1) enjoying how the food tasted and having no ill after effects to 2) still enjoying the taste of the food but having occasional stomach discomfort to 3) kinda craving the taste once in awhile and submitting to that despite feeling like shit after eating it to 4) the present day where I no longer even enjoy the taste of it. I used to love the taste of Big Macs and Whoppers. Now, even the thought of eating one makes me wince.

Five Guys has a tasty burger for a reasonable price. I would say the French fries are of a pretty high quality save for the one aspect that they aren't properly drained of the cooking oil long enough before being served. By the nature of the operation, the fries are pretty much cooked to order so they have come out of the fryolator moments before being served. It's also clear that they use quality cooking oil and quality potatoes. I applaud them for that. The downside is that the fries are absolutely dripping in that oil when they are served. I am hard-pressed to see a way out from that conundrum, because if they are cooked and then thoroughly drained, the serving time will increase and turnover will slow.

At least with Five Guys I can get tasty fast food for a reasonable price reasonably quickly when I'm in the mood, and it won't sit in my stomach like a lump of cardboard and leave a foul after taste in my mouth. The one near me now serves shakes as well, and the shakes are better than any I've ever had at a McDonald's or Burger King.

I've never had an In-n-Out, but have heard nothing other than great things about those. I've also heard a lot of good things about Chick-fil-A's, and they must be doing something right by their customers, because the one that opened up near me a couple of years ago is consistently packed whenever I drive by it. I doubt I'll bother eating at one, but their business has been booming for two years straight at the one I see. Sustained much longer than some initial curiosity wave.

I used to eat at Chick-fil-A all the time when I was getting my master's degree. The place was spotlessly clean and the sandwiches were great. They have one on campus where my daughter is going to school. Five Guy's buy the best ingredients regardless of price and charge enough to make a profit and so they figure people will pay a little more for the quality but McDonald's isn't cheap and their food is lousy and it's a no brainer why the golden arches are imploding. To many alternative places that are better.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

I've also heard a lot of good things about Chick-fil-A's, and they must be doing something right by their customers, because the one that opened up near me a couple of years ago is consistently packed whenever I drive by it. I doubt I'll bother eating at one, but their business has been booming for two years straight at the one I see. Sustained much longer than some initial curiosity wave.


Their chicken sandwiches are addictive...

The franchise is run by evangelicals and takes a pretty controversial anti-LGBT stance... In fact, all of their franchises are closed on Sundays... There were massive protests (both pro and anti) about 5 years ago....

[Terry]

Well it was a historical campaign because it was one of the nastiest in US history. Trump won the presidency without holding a previous political office or serving as a general in the military. FDR was the first president elected by radio. JFK was the first president elected by television. Trump was the first president elected by social media and alternative media on the internet. It's an inflection point. People will be studying this election and it will change how things are done in the future. This election will go down in the history books like Truman vs Dewey.

Depends on if one thinks the general tone, rhythms and outcome of the election resulted from the specific candidates and the way they were perceived prior to the election than external factors. Simplistic to say, but would the tone and campaign strategies have been remotely the same if had been, say, Jeb vs. Sanders?

Trump is unprecedented in all sorts of ways. No doubt about it. No snarky undertone to that comment, either: he broke the mold of what was thought possible.

As to going down in the history books like Truman vs. Dewey, 1) historical interpretations and opinions are always subject to change and 2) which candidate in that scenario was Truman?

Yeah, it was a nasty campaign. Sadly, a nasty campaign that centered on personalities over policies. I knew what Trump was about in terms of character long before he declared, and the Clintons were never afraid of playing for keeps either. So it was a given going in that it wasn't going to be pleasant. Even with that being said, and even not being naïve myself, I'd be lying to say I was never a bit shocked at times over how nasty it got. Even more so from the supporters of the candidates than the candidates themselves.

[Von Halen]

Their chicken sandwiches are addictive...

The franchise is run by evangelicals and takes a pretty controversial anti-LGBT stance... In fact, all of their franchises are closed on Sundays... There were massive protests (both pro and anti) about 5 years ago....

I've eaten at them in my travels. I didn't think they were anything special.

They have recently expanded into Michigan. My Son was approved for a Franchise, but they only allow you to own one. He wanted something that he can have as many stores as he wants. They feel like it spreads the wealth, and forces the owner to focus his attention on keeping one location performing optimally.

It's looking more and more like he'll be bringing Chronic Taco out of California, to Michigan.

[Terry]

I used to eat at Chick-fil-A all the time when I was getting my master's degree. The place was spotlessly clean and the sandwiches were great. They have one on campus where my daughter is going to school. Five Guy's buy the best ingredients regardless of price and charge enough to make a profit and so they figure people will pay a little more for the quality but McDonald's isn't cheap and their food is lousy and it's a no brainer why the golden arches are imploding. To many alternative places that are better.

It took a long time for the far-ranging effects of eating McDonald's food on a steady basis to impart itself upon consumers. To that end, I can say when growing up in the 1970s, McDonald's wasn't something we or any of my friends ate on even a semi-regular basis. Our parents even then realized what that "food" was, and were very conservative in the amount of times they allowed we kids to cajole them into taking us there. Like, literally if I had it more than a few times a year back in the 1970s I'd be surprised.

That stuff just wasn't - and isn't - designed and produced in a manner to be consumed day after day without imparting some pretty disastrous long-term negative health conditions. People are slowly starting to realize there can be a high cost to eating cheap. And you are 100% correct that McDonald's isn't even all that cheap anymore. People are willing to pay a few bucks more for better food at Five Guys.

McDonald's is trying to adjust and make strategic changes in response to the topping out of their financial performance (and, indeed, a slight decline - not a cratering by any means, but for a company that has pretty much experienced growth year after year for decades even a 1% downturn must be sobering) over the last few years. From offering breakfast sandwiches 24 hours to trying to up their game in McCafe drinks to grab some of the Starbucks market to offering some healthier menu items to at least offer a limited choice of selection. I suppose from an executive management POV there is at least the realization that lumbering onward with the traditional menu will probably not portend well down the line.

I don't know if McDonald's can really remake itself or reposition itself in the broad public mind as anything other than the brand it has built over the last half century and the image that brand name conjures up. They can tweak the edges, but in essence it is what it is. And that's fine as far as it goes, as long as people still want that. The problems will come as more and more people don't. And, as you say, the public are now aware of the many other alternatives to the McDonald's menu: McDonald's isn't the juggernaut it was thirty years ago in terms of being the only game in town when it comes to inexpensive food made quickly, and McDonald's certainly isn't the tastiest.

[Terry]

Their chicken sandwiches are addictive...

The franchise is run by evangelicals and takes a pretty controversial anti-LGBT stance... In fact, all of their franchises are closed on Sundays... There were massive protests (both pro and anti) about 5 years ago....

Yeah, I heard all about that stuff. I disagree with evangelicals inasmuch as there is no God to begin with. I'm for LGBT rights. Neither belief would prohibit me from eating at a Chick-fil-A.

I think the biggest impediment would be that I get high-quality chicken from my local Fresh Market and am capable of (and usually twice a week do) making a great chicken-based meal at home (either grilled, baked or sautéed) for as cheap or less so than anything I can get at a Chick-fil-A, and even though I've never eaten at one it's a given what I make will taste better.

[cadaverdog]

It's looking more and more like he'll be bringing Chronic Taco out of California, to Michigan.
They had one not far from my house. They were alright but So Cal has so many different Mexican food chains and restaurants it would be hard to pick just one as best. Chipotle's, Rubio's, King Taco, Mission Burrito all make good food. The hot ticket for good food of any kind now in a lot of different cities is roach coaches. Some cities in So Cal let them line the streets for blocks on certain nights. Some cities even have live music on Roach Coach night. They have a craft brewer in Lake Charles that has a roach coach night once a month or so with live bands. For cheap Mexican fast food Del Taco isn't too bad. Better than Taco Bell IMO. I can go to Texas for In N Out. What I really miss from So Cal is Tommy's. They have killer chili burgers, chili dogs, chili fries. Carney's in Hollywood serves the same stuff but they charge a lot more.

[Von Halen]

They had one not far from my house. They were alright but So Cal has so many different Mexican food chains and restaurants it would be hard to pick just one as best. Chipotle's, Rubio's, King Taco, Mission Burrito all make good food. The hot ticket for good food of any kind now in a lot of different cities is roach coaches. Some cities in So Cal let them line the streets for blocks on certain nights. Some cities even have live music on Roach Coach night. They have a craft brewer in Lake Charles that has a roach coach night once a month or so with live bands. For cheap Mexican fast food Del Taco isn't too bad. Better than Taco Bell IMO. I can go to Texas for In N Out. What I really miss from So Cal is Tommy's. They have killer chili burgers, chili dogs, chili fries. Carney's in Hollywood serves the same stuff but they charge a lot more.

There are already a ton of Chipotle's here. I've never had it. A ton of Del Taco's too. Again, never had it. Michigan is pretty well known for their coney island hot dogs, and they're a dime a dozen around here. A roach coach would never work in Detroit, at this time.

[cadaverdog]

There are already a ton of Chipotle's here. I've never had it. A ton of Del Taco's too. Again, never had it. .
At Chipotle's they custom make their burritos and tacos. I make a decent homemade version of the Chipotle burrito mixing chopped up canned chicken and Rottelle for the meat. Bush's pinto beans, rice and cheese on a flour tortilla. Del Taco is cheap Mexican fast food but it's edible.

[FORD]

Chipotle's burritos are OK, but I really miss this local place called "Burrito Heaven" which was much better. Sadly they went out of business, and nobody seems to know why. Place was always busy, and everybody in town loved the food there. If they hadn't closed years ago, I would have accused Cheeto of deporting the owners. :(

[cadaverdog]

Chipotle's burritos are OK, but I really miss this local place called "Burrito Heaven" which was much better. Sadly they went out of business, and nobody seems to know why. Place was always busy, and everybody in town loved the food there. If they hadn't closed years ago, I would have accused Cheeto of deporting the owners. :(
I was a big fan of the old school bean and cheese burritos when they still used lard and / or bacon grease in the beans. I usually order tacos, taquitos, flautas, nachos or a taco salad at regular Mexican food joints. I really love Mexican seafood. Rubio's in So Cal sells everything from fish tacos to lobster burritos.

[Nickdfresh]

I largely got Chipotles here with a campaign a few years back and love them...

[Nitro Express]

At Chipotle's they custom make their burritos and tacos. I make a decent homemade version of the Chipotle burrito mixing chopped up canned chicken and Rottelle for the meat. Bush's pinto beans, rice and cheese on a flour tortilla. Del Taco is cheap Mexican fast food but it's edible.

I like to make pork carnitas in a slow cooker. I usually make better Mexican food at home than your average Mexican restaurant but there are a few I go to that are really good. I hear you on the seafood. We went to Cozumel scuba diving and rented these bungalos and they came with maid service and a cook. This Mexican cook took the fish we speared and made some fish tacos out of them. Very good. He cooked over charcoal used lime juice and a few other things. That was a fun trip.

[Nitro Express]

It took a long time for the far-ranging effects of eating McDonald's food on a steady basis to impart itself upon consumers. To that end, I can say when growing up in the 1970s, McDonald's wasn't something we or any of my friends ate on even a semi-regular basis. Our parents even then realized what that "food" was, and were very conservative in the amount of times they allowed we kids to cajole them into taking us there. Like, literally if I had it more than a few times a year back in the 1970s I'd be surprised.

That stuff just wasn't - and isn't - designed and produced in a manner to be consumed day after day without imparting some pretty disastrous long-term negative health conditions. People are slowly starting to realize there can be a high cost to eating cheap. And you are 100% correct that McDonald's isn't even all that cheap anymore. People are willing to pay a few bucks more for better food at Five Guys.

McDonald's is trying to adjust and make strategic changes in response to the topping out of their financial performance (and, indeed, a slight decline - not a cratering by any means, but for a company that has pretty much experienced growth year after year for decades even a 1% downturn must be sobering) over the last few years. From offering breakfast sandwiches 24 hours to trying to up their game in McCafe drinks to grab some of the Starbucks market to offering some healthier menu items to at least offer a limited choice of selection. I suppose from an executive management POV there is at least the realization that lumbering onward with the traditional menu will probably not portend well down the line.

I don't know if McDonald's can really remake itself or reposition itself in the broad public mind as anything other than the brand it has built over the last half century and the image that brand name conjures up. They can tweak the edges, but in essence it is what it is. And that's fine as far as it goes, as long as people still want that. The problems will come as more and more people don't. And, as you say, the public are now aware of the many other alternatives to the McDonald's menu: McDonald's isn't the juggernaut it was thirty years ago in terms of being the only game in town when it comes to inexpensive food made quickly, and McDonald's certainly isn't the tastiest.

What I like to do is cook up a bunch of stir fry in a big wok I have and then use that for lunches during the week. Just put it in a container and microwave it for lunch. I think the hamburger gets a bad rap. It's a full meal. The problem is how much people are eating. A Texas Whopper is 1,000 calories. Add in the french fries and the soda pop and it's a lot of calories. Now calories aren't bad if you are going to go out and do physical labor but people are eating like a lumberjack and sitting at a desk. I go out and eat and the portions are just obscene. People are just eating too damn much. People used to have a 7 oz. bottle of Coke. Now they drink a 42oz tub of it with a bunch of donuts. The bottom line is fit what and how much you eat to your lifestyle. If you are hauling brick and mixing mortar all day have the big breakfast. If you are sitting at a desk all day, well you have to eat less.

[Nitro Express]

Huge portions and a lazy lifestyle is what is killing Americans. Sugar isn't bad if you don't ingest a ton of it.

[Von Halen]

My Mom got me this big badass electric wok for a gift. I love it. I'm thinking about getting one of those new electric pressure cookers.

If I eat a burger, I just eat a regular burger, and that's a rarity. I never eat the Whoppers or Big Macs or any of those. I have a weakness for McDonalds fries, but that's the only place I get fries. I don't drink soda pop at all, and haven't for years. I generally drink water, coffee or vitamin water zero.

[vandeleur]

Huge portions and a lazy lifestyle is what is killing Americans. Sugar isn't bad if you don't ingest a ton of it.

And people with low iq with access to firearms

:bigwink:

[Von Halen]

And people with low iq with access to firearms

:bigwink:

Are you saying Donnie and I shouldn't have guns?

[vandeleur]

Are you saying Donnie and I shouldn't have guns?

Am not telling you what to buy each other as wedding presents :D

[DONNIEP]

Am not telling you what to buy each other as wedding presents :D

Aw, don't be so jealous Vandy ;)

[DONNIEP]

I almost never eat fast food and the only thing I buy at McD's is a large Diet Coke. I do like the burgers and fries at Highway 55 though. We sometimes cook burgers here at home so that's pretty much the only time I eat em. And if you're ever thinking about cooking a turkey burger - yeah don't do that. I eat turkey patties most mornings for breakfast and they taste like nothing and the texture is just fuckin awful. Come to think of it, just about everything I eat tastes like nothing.

[Von Halen]

large Diet Coke.

You're drinking fucking poison!

[Seshmeister]

The problem is how much people are eating. A Texas Whopper is 1,000 calories. Add in the french fries and the soda pop and it's a lot of calories.

At least they tell you now, I couldn't believe how many calories were in some of that shit. I think they must add sugar to everything.

[DONNIEP]

You're drinking fucking poison!

But it's so good and it ain't like I can drink beer with lunch :biggrin:

[cadaverdog]

And if you're ever thinking about cooking a turkey burger - yeah don't do that. I eat turkey patties most mornings for breakfast and they taste like nothing and the texture is just fuckin awful.
You're buying the wrong stuff. Ground turkey is ok for making tacos but that's about it. For turkey burgers buy Jenny O white meat turkey breast pattys. Throw some bacon and/ or Swiss cheese on it and you got a tasty low fat turkey burger. The ground turkeys has as much if not more fat in it as ground beef.

[vandeleur]

Vodka kills the wicked chemicals in coke FACT .......

Probably :)

[FORD]

I almost never eat fast food and the only thing I buy at McD's is a large Diet Coke. I do like the burgers and fries at Highway 55 though. We sometimes cook burgers here at home so that's pretty much the only time I eat em. And if you're ever thinking about cooking a turkey burger - yeah don't do that. I eat turkey patties most mornings for breakfast and they taste like nothing and the texture is just fuckin awful. Come to think of it, just about everything I eat tastes like nothing.

Turkey burgers themselves are very bland. Though ground turkey in place of ground beef in tacos or some sort of pasta sauce works well. Or rather than using the pre-made turkey patties, just get a pound of fresh ground turkey and mix some stuff in to flavor it up

If it's the turkey sausages you're eating in the morning, you might as well go veggie and get some Morningstar patties. Taste more like "real" sausage than the turkey stuff, in my opinion. A little high in sodium though, so if you have blood pressure issues, use advisedly........

http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/02/89/89/43/0002898943780_500X500.jpg

(and yes, they sell them at WalMart! That's where I stole the picture from)

[Seshmeister]

Vodka kills the wicked chemicals in coke FACT .......

Probably :)

I certainly hope so.

If Diet Coke had any serious ill effects I would be dead at this point.

[DONNIEP]

Turkey burgers themselves are very bland. Though ground turkey in place of ground beef in tacos or some sort of pasta sauce works well. Or rather than using the pre-made turkey patties, just get a pound of fresh ground turkey and mix some stuff in to flavor it up

If it's the turkey sausages you're eating in the morning, you might as well go veggie and get some Morningstar patties. Taste more like "real" sausage than the turkey stuff, in my opinion. A little high in sodium though, so if you have blood pressure issues, use advisedly........

http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/02/89/89/43/0002898943780_500X500.jpg

(and yes, they sell them at WalMart! That's where I stole the picture from)

I just get the plain 93% fat free turkey patties. I put a little Cajun seasoning on them and bake them. Each patty has 24 grams of protein so they're really good for you, just tastes blah.

[Kristy]

Vodka kills the wicked chemicals in coke FACT .......

Probably :)

How does one type without any teeth?

If Trump kept his travel ban limited to the UK, the world would be a safer place.

[Nitro Express]

My Mom got me this big badass electric wok for a gift. I love it. I'm thinking about getting one of those new electric pressure cookers.

If I eat a burger, I just eat a regular burger, and that's a rarity. I never eat the Whoppers or Big Macs or any of those. I have a weakness for McDonalds fries, but that's the only place I get fries. I don't drink soda pop at all, and haven't for years. I generally drink water, coffee or vitamin water zero.

Yeah I have a really nice electric wok and love it.

[Nitro Express]

And people with low iq with access to firearms

:bigwink:

If they shoot other low IQ people I don't care. That's called thinning the herd.

[Nitro Express]

I just get the plain 93% fat free turkey patties. I put a little Cajun seasoning on them and bake them. Each patty has 24 grams of protein so they're really good for you, just tastes blah.

Hows the weight lifting coming? When I was into it big time my grocery bill got kind of expensive.

[Nitro Express]

Their chicken sandwiches are addictive...

The franchise is run by evangelicals and takes a pretty controversial anti-LGBT stance... In fact, all of their franchises are closed on Sundays... There were massive protests (both pro and anti) about 5 years ago....

I never got the protests. Just vote with your pocketbook if you don't like who runs the place. We all aren't going to agree on everything. People just need to loosen up. Comedians even really liberal ones don't even like to play college campuses now because they get in trouble with the political correct police. Everything is way too political now. People just need to learn to say fuck it and stop being all uptight about stuff. Life is too short to waste on the trivial.

[Nitro Express]

You're drinking fucking poison!

I wonder what's worse for you? 16 ounces of Diet Coke or 16 ounces of Jack Daniel's.

[DONNIEP]

Hows the weight lifting coming? When I was into it big time my grocery bill got kind of expensive.

It's going great, a couple injuries here and there but nothing major. I train every morning Monday through Friday for an hour and a half first thing in the morning then hit the Stepmill and jog at night on my big ass treadmill that's not as smooth as I'd like. Take Saturdays off and hit it every Sunday.

Interestingly my grocery bill went way down when I changed my diet back in June. Breakfast and lunch are boring and bland as shit, dinners are lean meat and vegetables too but basically they're normal meals. My daughter is a health Nazi so she doesn't mind all the chicken.

[Nitro Express]

It's going great, a couple injuries here and there but nothing major. I train every morning Monday through Friday for an hour and a half first thing in the morning then hit the Stepmill and jog at night on my big ass treadmill that's not as smooth as I'd like. Take Saturdays off and hit it every Sunday.

Interestingly my grocery bill went way down when I changed my diet back in June. Breakfast and lunch are boring and bland as shit, dinners are lean meat and vegetables too but basically they're normal meals. My daughter is a health Nazi so she doesn't mind all the chicken.

Focus on form more than how much weight you can lift. Do the maximum amount of weight to keep good form in your selected rep sequence. People in gyms start adding on too much weight and they have to jerk it and you can injure yourself that way. Focus on form and be consistent and you will reap the benefits.

[DONNIEP]

Their chicken sandwiches are addictive...

The franchise is run by evangelicals and takes a pretty controversial anti-LGBT stance... In fact, all of their franchises are closed on Sundays... There were massive protests (both pro and anti) about 5 years ago....

Don't forget one of their stores in Orlando opened on Sunday to provide food donations to the first responders and people donating blood after the Pulse shooting.

[Seshmeister]

Comedians even really liberal ones don't even like to play college campuses now because they get in trouble with the political correct police.

This is very true I hear that all the time from US comedians.

Students need to learn about how context is everything in humor. I'm all for feminism but there seems to be a bunch of women studies(a subject on the majority of all humans??) lecturers who have lost the plot.

[Seshmeister]

It's going great, a couple injuries here and there but nothing major. I train every morning Monday through Friday for an hour and a half first thing in the morning then hit the Stepmill and jog at night on my big ass treadmill that's not as smooth as I'd like. Take Saturdays off and hit it every Sunday.


Ooof! :biggrin:


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[FORD]

I wonder what's worse for you? 16 ounces of Diet Coke or 16 ounces of Jack Daniel's.

Either one would give me a nasty headache.

[Seshmeister]

Don't forget one of their stores in Orlando opened on Sunday to provide food donations to the first responders and people donating blood after the Pulse shooting.

The latest thing I heard is that Trump has evidence that many of the victims of the Bowling Green Massacre voted in the election even although they were dead!

[Nitro Express]

This is very true I hear that all the time from US comedians.

Students need to learn about how context is everything in humor. I'm all for feminism but there seems to be a bunch of women studies(a subject on the majority of all humans??) lecturers who have lost the plot.

It's called intimidate people so they shut up. Now if you go back 30 years it was I don't like what you are saying but I will defend your right to say it. Back then it was mostly the right wing trying to censor everyone and now it's the left wing. Now we are seeing the push back on it so who knows maybe in another 30 years the right wing we be trying to shut everyone up again.

[Nitro Express]

Don't forget one of their stores in Orlando opened on Sunday to provide food donations to the first responders and people donating blood after the Pulse shooting.

I'm tired of everything getting politicized and I blame the media for it. Nothing but propaganda because the people who own the media companies want to play a divide and conquer game on society. The best thing we could do is bust up the big media conglomerates. Things were better when the media was locally owned instead of a few conglomerates. Of course alternative media on the internet is making roads in but most of that is not real journalism because it has a bias. We just need some people to stay neutral and tell the who, what, where, when, why, and how and leave it up to the individual to make their own decision on the information. People don't even know what real journalism is anymore. All this propaganda has the whole country divided on everything. Who gives a fuck if the owner is an evangelical. Buy and sandwich or don't buy one.

[Seshmeister]

It's called intimidate people so they shut up. Now if you go back 30 years it was I don't like what you are saying but I will defend your right to say it. Back then it was mostly the right wing trying to censor everyone and now it's the left wing. Now we are seeing the push back on it so who knows maybe in another 30 years the right wing we be trying to shut everyone up again.

I fucking hate Trump, I've strongly disliked the guy since the first time I watched a US Celebrity Apprentice and his shitty behaviour over here with his golf resort.

That said if he and Billy Bush had been pissing themselves laughing in that conversation on the bus I would have totally defended them.

That's what I mean about context and I blame some educators who seem to be making things worse.

[cadaverdog]

That said if he and Billy Bush had been pissing themselves laughing in that conversation on the bus I would have totally defended them.

Billy Bush is laughing the entire time. Just because Trump isn't doesn't mean he's serious. Some people just have a strange sense of humor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o21fXqguD7U

[Seshmeister]

No I just don't hear it that way. Bush just a sycophantic toady, whatever he isn't in charge of the country - not important.

It could be argued that one clip has been overplayed but so many people have said that there was much worse he has said.

Also do you not think it's kind of strange that Trump hasn't been religious for the first 69 years of his life but suddenly just found God?

[FORD]

I do find it strange that the only member of the BCE to ever lose his job over a scandal was the one who never held any political office.

[Seshmeister]

George Herbert looked like a good candidate for Death Pool tonight. :)

[cadaverdog]

No I just don't hear it that way.
Your hatred of Trump must be causing you to be blind and hard of hearing. Not only is Billy laughing the caption clearly says laughing. That's how humor between two men works here. One guy says something funny, another guy laughs. If it's not funny but he's your boss you still laugh. Trump wasn't Billy's boss.


It could be argued that one clip has been overplayed but so many people have said that there was much worse he has said.
What people say and reality are sometimes two different things.

[FORD]

George Herbert looked like a good candidate for Death Pool tonight. :)

He and Babs were both in the hospital over the holidays. It looked like Satan might have had a 2 for one Xmas present for a while. But US health care is good..... if you're an ex president, CIA lifer, and the biggest drug smuggler of the 20th century, and can therefore afford it.

[Nickdfresh]

OMG! They got Sweden!!

[FORD]

https://mortongrovenews.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/boris-natasha.jpeg
we take bomb from terrorist moose & squirrel!

[Kristy]

Anyone notice how Lady Skeletor has been silent all week? Not one peep.

[FORD]

I think they sent her to rehab and sent out Steven "Little Joey Goebbels" Miller in her place.