Trump Demands Inaction In Syria, Then Blames Obama For Inaction In Syria

[FORD]

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[Terry]

Yeah, well, for his supporters Trump can still, to an extent, get away with blaming Obama for where Syria is at today...if only because Trump's presidency is still in its infancy.

Personally, I'm glad America didn't put ground troops into Syria. We as a nation can't unilaterally intervene there militarily and expect much in the way of anything meaningful in terms of outcome unless we are willing to remove Assad. Clearly, Obama shouldn't have said what he did with that "red line" stuff (especially if he never intended to respond once his bluff was called...THAT was a mistake, in that saying nothing would have been better than what he did say). However, the majority of the political will in this country - across the entire ideological spectrum - to make any substantive military moves in Syria hasn't been there. It wasn't there in 2011. It wasn't there in 2013. It isn't there today.

What is going on there over the last half decade has been a tragedy. However, if we're not willing as a nation to take in Syrian refugees, I'm hard put to rationalize why we should send military aid of any sort over there. We can't even control what happens to simple weaponry if we sent some there - too unstable.

If someone wants to rationalize why the US should intervene in Syria, I'm all eyes and ears. I haven't totally closed my mind to opposing viewpoints. My overriding instinct over the last 5 years is America should stay out, at least as long as Assad retains power. MAYBE if he goes, something involving direct US engagement would make more sense to me.

[silverfish]

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[jacksmar]

put your regular sissy pants back on TARD. tighten up your suck ass knee pads for the shit that's headed for your shit about t o hit the fan...........

[Terry]

Well, here we go...US airstrikes in Syria...

Man.

[FORD]

Of course. Illegitimate Republican president with a embarrassing approval rating and scandal plagued Orangeministration. OF COURSE the cheeto faced bastard is going to start a war! :meinsmiley:

[FORD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twSREBowTwQ

[jacksmar]

Of course. Illegitimate Republican president with a embarrassing approval rating and scandal plagued Orangeministration. OF COURSE the cheeto faced bastard is going to start a war! :meinsmiley:

while you're on your knees with ass in your face, people are starving in n korea, iran is trying to arm, and you got fucked by the clintons again. feel the burn..........

[Kristy]

Oh shut the fuck up you F A T redneck

[jacksmar]

how did an over emotional broad like yourself get so emotionally damaged? daddy and step daddy thing?

take a hour in the kitchen to relax and have a pepsi....

[Kristy]

How did a F A T cunt like yourself get to be so fucking stupid?

Oh, right.

[FORD]

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[FORD]

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[FORD]

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[FORD]

BTW, Cheeto had already left for an extended weekend of taxpayer funded golfing BEFORE bombing Syria. So let's hear it, Hannazi..... Will you stand by your own words, or be a hypocrite like your Orange idol?

[Von Halen]

It's so comforting to know we FINALLY have a President that knows what it means to KINGS OF THE MOTHERFUCKING WORLD!

[FORD]

No, what you have is a fascist orange hypocrite doing the same exact thing that he bitched about the last President doing.... even though he wasn't actually doing it.

More Cheeto hypocrisy here ------> http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/04/trump-syria-obama-tweets-hypocrisy-chemical-attack

Not to mention this so called "Syrian gas attack" looks a lot like "Babies in incubators" 2.0. Which turned our to be complete bullshit, in case you forgot. Assad is an asshole, but he's not a dumb asshole. He wouldn't do something so stupid as to get his ass taken out, and replaced by the religious extremists, as has happened in most of his neighboring countries. Especially since his own particular sect of Islam is a minority who don't usually have an easy time if a fundaMENTAList regime takes over.

[Von Halen]

How nice of you to give so much credit to Assad.

Instead of falsely acting like you're protecting them from the comfort of your home, why don't you put your activism where your mouth is, and go on over there and offer some real help? I'd think you'd accomplish much more that way, than sitting there bitching about Trump 24/7.

[Kristy]

It's so comforting to know we FINALLY have a President that knows what it means to KINGS OF THE MOTHERFUCKING WORLD!

Your dick must be so incredibly small.

[Terry]

It's so comforting to know we FINALLY have a President that knows what it means to KINGS OF THE MOTHERFUCKING WORLD!

Why don't I somehow feel comforted?

Although in truth I could have easily seen Hillary doing the same thing in response had she been elected, somehow I'm still not comforted.

I went to my safe space, sucked my thumb, had several Pepsis...and yet I feel a great unease about all of this: I wish my mommy (Nancy Pelosi) would hold me and tell me I'm still a good and special person.

[Von Halen]

Your dick must be so incredibly small.

It's never failed to satisfy me.

Now go back to doing your social work, you drug addicted community college flunky.

[Terry]

It's never failed to satisfy me.

Now go back to doing your social work, you drug addicted community college flunky.


Q. Your dick must be so incredibly small

A. It's never failed to satisfy me

:hee:

I'll have to remember that one for future use...since I also have a baby dick.

[vandeleur]

I have to agree "its never failed to satisfy me" is the funniest thing someone has said on here in ages :)

[Seshmeister]

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[FORD]

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[Terry]

Well, and that's certainly part of it: yes, Assad is doing terrible things to segments of the Syrian population. No question about it.

To me, bombing the airfields isn't really an end in itself. Airfields can be rebuilt or relocated.

If President Trump wants to do something meaningful in Syria, for me that would involve getting Russia onboard along with the United Nations (rather than having Nikki Haley echo John Bolton's "if you don't do what America wants, you are irrelevant and America will go it alone" - just because she's more photogenic than Bolton doesn't make the essence of what she is saying any more meaningful), forging an international consensus and coalition for removing Assad, doing so, then coordinating a humanitarian mission to bring necessary supplies to the Syrian population and help rebuild the country after Assad is removed. I mean, very little of that was done (the bare minimum in terms of satisfying mere optics of perception) in the ramping up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, and that wasn't some ancient undertaking where the lessons may have been understandably somewhat forgotten.

All of that assumes one is looking at Syria as a humanitarian crisis and not solely as some small piece of the puzzle in the Global War on Terror or asserting US global strength relative to Russia, or not taking into account the frationalization of the Syrian government and peoples. In other words, not merely using Syria as a proxy or a pretext for larger American global ambitions and doing so only when it is useful to then abandoning Syria when it will inevitably become convenient to do so down the line.

Basically, there's no quick fix in Syria. Airstrikes alone certainly isn't a comprehensive solution, and what is actually required to solve the crisis in Syria involves a lot of international diplomacy, financial and humanitarian aid and patience regarding the slow, careful, deliberative process needed. The military component is a relatively small one within the context of the rest of what is required.

Does Trump realize this? Is Congress onboard? Are the American people? Is Trump surrounded by enough competent government administrators to enact a Syrian plan that will be sustained over the long haul? Is there an actual plan in place already? Or was this bombing something more impulsive? Because that's how it looks to me at first glance. If so, that's hardly an "America: Fuck Yeah!" occasion to be celebrated.

[jacksmar]

anyone can always tell when you're correct when the commlibs cry like a little girl that's just been kicked in the back.

No UN resolutions, No “Coalition of the Whatever”,No red-lines, No endless debate in the leftist media, no talking.

Perfect execution by a brand-new team. Deliberate action, swift, measured, and proportional.

here's the truth: this chemical attack was the result of that vile anti-Mohammad video..........

[Kristy]

Um asshole, it's no longer 2008.

Grow.The.Fuck.Up.

[FORD]

anyone can always tell when you're correct when the commlibs cry like a little girl that's just been kicked in the back.



Better talk to that "commlib" Michael Weiner Savage about that. I don't think he agrees with you.

[Terry]

anyone can always tell when you're correct when the commlibs cry like a little girl that's just been kicked in the back.

No UN resolutions, No “Coalition of the Whatever”,No red-lines, No endless debate in the leftist media, no talking.

Perfect execution by a brand-new team. Deliberate action, swift, measured, and proportional.

here's the truth: this chemical attack was the result of that vile anti-Mohammad video..........

Surely bombing from offshore alone isn't going to solve the situation in Syria long-term.

By definition it was a deliberate action. It certainly was swift.

Let's give you that it was both measured and proportional.

Where do we go from here?

Am not asking rhetorically because I have a multitude of smug retorts to whatever answer(s) I assume you might give.

Seriously, what do you think should happen next?

[Seshmeister]

Truth matters and partly because Trump has been lying constantly there is widespread mistrust around the world that the Syrians were even responsible for the chemical attack.

[Nickdfresh]

Yeah, well, for his supporters Trump can still, to an extent, get away with blaming Obama for where Syria is at today...if only because Trump's presidency is still in its infancy.

Personally, I'm glad America didn't put ground troops into Syria. We as a nation can't unilaterally intervene there militarily and expect much in the way of anything meaningful in terms of outcome unless we are willing to remove Assad.....

A sizable number of U.S. Marines are already on the ground --what I would deem 'conventional forces' providing artillery support to Kurds IIRC. Opposed to of course the special operations there we have and probably have been in since the outset of the fighting...

[Nickdfresh]

while you're on your knees with ass in your face, people are starving in n korea, iran is trying to arm, and you got fucked by the clintons again. feel the burn..........

The Russians are more-or-less friends with the Iranians that Trump wants to bomb so much, another one of your rightist bullshit inconsistencies. And if you want to save all those starving Koreans, feel free to sign back up old man, because a lot of other Koreans will die in that bloodbath if there is a war at the moment...

[Nickdfresh]

It's so comforting to know we FINALLY have a President that knows what it means to KINGS OF THE MOTHERFUCKING WORLD!

http://i.imgur.com/1w4HAuw.jpg
Yeah mofos!!

[Nickdfresh]

No, what you have is a fascist orange hypocrite doing the same exact thing that he bitched about the last President doing.... even though he wasn't actually doing it.

More Cheeto hypocrisy here ------> http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/04/trump-syria-obama-tweets-hypocrisy-chemical-attack

Not to mention this so called "Syrian gas attack" looks a lot like "Babies in incubators" 2.0. Which turned our to be complete bullshit, in case you forgot. Assad is an asshole, but he's not a dumb asshole. He wouldn't do something so stupid as to get his ass taken out, and replaced by the religious extremists, as has happened in most of his neighboring countries. Especially since his own particular sect of Islam is a minority who don't usually have an easy time if a fundaMENTAList regime takes over.

Ford, this is horseshit of its own. The Assad regime is a family line of demented cunts that think the only way to survive is to be corrupt sadists and they have done some horrbile things. They probably think using nerve gas is 'going easy on them'...

I'm certainly not advocating ground troops or another Gulf War, but they are cunts nevertheless...

You can argue that Trump is a "hypowit" or that his response was wrong or right, but please with the conspiracy shit -- there certainly WAS a gas attack...

[FORD]

Demented cunts who want to stay in power. Which means you oppress your own people just enough to keep the internal uprising under control, but don't do anything so blatantly stupid that it's going to bring international intervention down on your ass.

And as I said, at the very least, they need to admit that it wasn't Sarin gas. If you have evidence that Assad attacked somebody with chlorine, mustard gas, or his own stored up farts, then just say that. Don't try to create some bullshit narrative that can be easily disproven by the likes of Michael Weiner Savage.

[FORD]

Donald Trump, Al Qaeda's Useful Idiot
Scott Ritter, Contributor Author, ‘Deal of the Century: How Iran Blocked the West’s Road to War’
The Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/syria-chemical-attack-al-qaeda-played-donald-trump_us_58ea226fe4b058f0a02fca4d)

Responsibility for the chemical event in Khan Sheikhoun is still very much in question.

04/09/2017 08:57 am ET | Updated 5 hours ago


Once upon a time, Donald J. Trump, the New York City businessman-turned-president, berated then-President Barack Obama back in September 2013 about the fallacy of an American military strike against Syria. At that time, the United States was considering the use of force against Syria in response to allegations (since largely disproven) that the regime of President Bashar al-Assad had used chemical weapons against civilians in the Damascus suburb of Ghouta. Trump, via tweet, declared “to our very foolish leader, do not attack Syria – if you do many very bad things will happen & from that fight the U.S. gets nothing!”

President Obama, despite having publicly declaring the use of chemical weapons by the Syrian regime a “red line” which, if crossed, would demand American military action, ultimately declined to order an attack, largely on the basis of warnings by James Clapper, the Director of National Intelligence, that the intelligence linking the chemical attack on Ghouta was less than definitive.

President Barack Obama, in a 2016 interview with The Atlantic, observed, “there’s a playbook in Washington that presidents are supposed to follow. It’s a playbook that comes out of the foreign-policy establishment. And the playbook prescribes responses to different events, and these responses tend to be militarized responses.” While the “Washington playbook,” Obama noted, could be useful during times of crisis, it could “also be a trap that can lead to bad decisions.”

His “red line” on chemical weapons usage, combined with heated rhetoric coming from his closest advisors, including Secretary of State John Kerry, hinting at a military response, was such a trap. Ultimately, President Obama opted to back off, observing that “dropping bombs on someone to prove that you’re willing to drop bombs on someone is just about the worst reason to use force.” The media, Republicans and even members of his own party excoriated Obama for this decision.

Yet, in November 2016, as president-elect, Donald Trump doubled down on Obama’s eschewing of the “Washington playbook.” The situation on the ground in Syria had fundamentally changed since 2013; the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) had taken over large swaths of territory in Iraq and Syria, establishing a “capital” in the Syrian city of Raqqa and declaring the creation of an Islamic “Caliphate.” American efforts to remove Syrian President Assad from power had begun to bar fruit, forcing Russia to intervene in September 2015 in order to prop up the beleaguered Syrian president.

Trump, breaking from the mainstream positions held by most American policy makers, Republican and Democrat alike, declared that the United States should focus on fighting and defeating the Islamic State (ISIS) and not pursuing regime change in Syria. “My attitude,” Trump noted, “was you’re fighting Syria, Syria is fighting ISIS, and you have to get rid of ISIS. Russia is now totally aligned with Syria, and now you have Iran, which is becoming powerful, because of us, is aligned with Syria... Now we’re backing rebels against Syria, and we have no idea who these people are.” Moreover, Trump observed, given the robust Russian presence inside Syria, if the United States attacked Assad, “we end up fighting Russia, fighting Syria.”

For more than two months, the new Trump administration seemed to breathe life into the notion that Donald Trump had, like his predecessor before him, thrown the “Washington playbook” out the window when it came to Syrian policy. After ordering a series of new military deployments into Syria and Iraq specifically designed to confront ISIS, the Trump administration began to give public voice to a major shift in policy vis-à-vis the Syrian President.

For the first time since President Obama, in August 2011, articulated regime change in Damascus as a precondition for the cessation of the civil conflict that had been raging since April 2011, American government officials articulated that this was no longer the case. “You pick and choose your battles,” the American Ambassador to the United Nations, Nikki Haley, told reporters on March 30, 2017. “And when we’re looking at this, it’s about changing up priorities and our priority is no longer to sit and focus on getting Assad out.” Haley’s words were echoed by Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, who observed that same day, while on an official visit to Turkey, “I think the… longer-term status of President Assad will be decided by the Syrian people.”

This new policy direction lasted barely five days. Sometime in the early afternoon of April 4, 2017, troubling images and video clips began to be transmitted out of the Syrian province of Idlib by anti-government activists, including members of the so-called “White Helmets,” a volunteer rescue team whose work was captured in an eponymously-named Academy Award-winning documentary film. These images showed victims in various stages of symptomatic distress, including death, from what the activists said was exposure to chemical weapons dropped by the Syrian air force on the town of Khan Sheikhoun that very morning.

Images of these tragic deaths were immediately broadcast on American media outlets, with pundits decrying the horrific and heinous nature of the chemical attack, which was nearly unanimously attributed to the Syrian government, even though the only evidence provided was the imagery and testimony of the anti-Assad activists who, just days before, were decrying the shift in American policy regarding regime change in Syria. President Trump viewed these images, and was deeply troubled by what he saw, especially the depictions of dead and suffering children.

The images were used as exhibits in a passionate speech by Haley during a speech at the Security Council on April 5, 2017, where she confronted Russia and threatened unilateral American military action if the Council failed to respond to the alleged Syrian chemical attack. “Yesterday morning, we awoke to pictures, to children foaming at the mouth, suffering convulsions, being carried in the arms of desperate parents,” Haley said, holding up two examples of the images provided by the anti-Assad activists. “We saw rows of lifeless bodies, some still in diapers…we cannot close our eyes to those pictures. We cannot close our minds of the responsibility to act.” If the Security Council refused to take action against the Syrian government, Haley said, then “there are times in the life of states that we are compelled to take our own action.”

In 2013, President Barack Obama was confronted with images of dead and injured civilians, including numerous small children, from Syria that were every bit as heartbreaking as the ones displayed by Ambassador Haley. His Secretary of State, John Kerry, had made an impassioned speech that all but called for military force against Syria. President Obama asked for, and received, a wide-range of military options from his national security team targeting the regime of President Assad; only the intervention of James Clapper, and the doubts that existed about the veracity of the intelligence linking the Ghouta chemical attack to the Syrian government, held Obama back from giving the green light for the bombing to begin.

Like President Obama before him, President Trump asked for his national security team to prepare options for military action. Unlike his predecessor, Donald Trump did not seek a pause in his decision making process to let his intelligence services investigate what had actually occurred in Khan Sheikhoun. Like Nikki Haley, Donald Trump was driven by his visceral reaction to the imagery being disseminated by anti-Assad activists. In the afternoon of April 6, as he prepared to depart the White House for a summit meeting with a delegation led by the Chinese President Xi Jinping, Trump’s own cryptic words in response to a reporter’s question about any American response seem to hint that his mind was already made up. “You’ll see,” he said, before walking away.

Within hours, a pair of U.S. Navy destroyers launched 59 advanced Block IV Tomahawk cruise missiles (at a cost of some $1.41 million each), targeting aircraft, hardened shelters, fuel storage, munitions supply, air defense and communications facilities at the Al Shayrat air base, located in central Syria. Al Shayrat was home to two squadrons of Russian-made SU-22 fighter-bombers operated by the Syrian air force, one of which was tracked by American radar as taking off from Al Sharyat on the morning of April 4, 2017, and was overhead Khan Sheikhoun around the time the alleged chemical attack occurred.

The purpose of the American strike was two-fold; first, to send a message to the Syrian government and its allies that, according to Secretary of State Tillerson, “the president is willing to take decisive action when called for,” and in particular when confronted with evidence of a chemical attack from which the United States could not “turn away, turn a blind eye.” The other purpose, according to a U.S. military spokesperson, to “reduce the Syrian government’s ability to deliver chemical weapons.”

Moreover, the policy honeymoon the Trump administration had only recently announced about regime change in Syria was over. “It’s very, very possible, and, I will tell you, it’s already happened, that my attitude toward Syria and Assad has changed very much,” President Trump told reporters before the missile strikes had commenced. Secretary Tillerson went further: “It would seem there would be no role for him [Assad] to govern the Syrian people.”

Such a reversal in policy fundamentals and direction in such a short period of time is stunning; Donald Trump didn’t simply deviate slightly off course, but rather did a complete 180-degree turn. The previous policy of avoiding entanglement in the internal affairs of Syria in favor of defeating ISIS and improving relations with Russia had been replaced by a fervent embrace of regime change, direct military engagement with the Syrian armed forces, and a confrontational stance vis-à-vis the Russian military presence in Syria.

Normally, such major policy change could only be explained by a new reality driven by verifiable facts. The alleged chemical weapons attack against Khan Sheikhoun was not a new reality; chemical attacks had been occurring inside Syria on a regular basis, despite the international effort to disarm Syria’s chemical weapons capability undertaken in 2013 that played a central role in forestalling American military action at that time. International investigations of these attacks produced mixed results, with some being attributed to the Syrian government (something the Syrian government vehemently denies), and the majority being attributed to anti-regime fighters, in particular those affiliated with Al Nusra Front, an Al Qaeda affiliate.

Moreover, there exists a mixed provenance when it comes to chemical weapons usage inside Syria that would seem to foreclose any knee-jerk reaction that placed the blame for what happened at Khan Sheikhoun solely on the Syrian government void of any official investigation. Yet this is precisely what occurred. Some sort of chemical event took place in Khan Sheikhoun; what is very much in question is who is responsible for the release of the chemicals that caused the deaths of so many civilians.

No one disputes the fact that a Syrian air force SU-22 fighter-bomber conducted a bombing mission against a target in Khan Sheikhoun on the morning of April 4, 2017. The anti-regime activists in Khan Sheikhoun, however, have painted a narrative that has the Syrian air force dropping chemical bombs on a sleeping civilian population.

A critical piece of information that has largely escaped the reporting in the mainstream media is that Khan Sheikhoun is ground zero for the Islamic jihadists who have been at the center of the anti-Assad movement in Syria since 2011. Up until February 2017, Khan Sheikhoun was occupied by a pro-ISIS group known as Liwa al-Aqsa that was engaged in an oftentimes-violent struggle with its competitor organization, Al Nusra Front (which later morphed into Tahrir al-Sham, but under any name functioning as Al Qaeda’s arm in Syria) for resources and political influence among the local population.

The Russian Ministry of Defense has claimed that Liwa al-Aqsa was using facilities in and around Khan Sheikhoun to manufacture crude chemical shells and landmines intended for ISIS forces fighting in Iraq. According to the Russians the Khan Sheikhoun chemical weapons facility was mirrored on similar sites uncovered by Russian and Syrian forces following the reoccupation of rebel-controlled areas of Aleppo.

In Aleppo, the Russians discovered crude weapons production laboratories that filled mortar shells and landmines with a mix of chlorine gas and white phosphorus; after a thorough forensic investigation was conducted by military specialists, the Russians turned over samples of these weapons, together with soil samples from areas struck by weapons produced in these laboratories, to investigators from the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons for further evaluation.

Al Nusra has a long history of manufacturing and employing crude chemical weapons; the 2013 chemical attack on Ghouta made use of low-grade Sarin nerve agent locally synthesized, while attacks in and around Aleppo in 2016 made use of a chlorine/white phosphorous blend. If the Russians are correct, and the building bombed in Khan Sheikhoun on the morning of April 4, 2017 was producing and/or storing chemical weapons, the probability that viable agent and other toxic contaminants were dispersed into the surrounding neighborhood, and further disseminated by the prevailing wind, is high.

The counter-narrative offered by the Russians and Syrians, however, has been minimized, mocked and ignored by both the American media and the Trump administration. So, too, has the very illogic of the premise being put forward to answer the question of why President Assad would risk everything by using chemical weapons against a target of zero military value, at a time when the strategic balance of power had shifted strongly in his favor. Likewise, why would Russia, which had invested considerable political capital in the disarmament of Syria’s chemical weapons capability after 2013, stand by idly while the Syrian air force carried out such an attack, especially when their was such a heavy Russian military presence at the base in question at the time of the attack?

Such analysis seems beyond the scope and comprehension of the American fourth estate. Instead, media outlets like CNN embrace at face value anything they are told by official American sources, including a particularly preposterous insinuation that Russia actually colluded in the chemical weapons attack; the aforementioned presence of Russian officers at Al Shayrat air base has been cited as evidence that Russia had to have known about Syria’s chemical warfare capability, and yet did nothing to prevent the attack.

To sustain this illogic, the American public and decision-makers make use of a sophisticated propaganda campaign involving video images and narratives provided by forces opposed to the regime of Bashar al-Assad, including organizations like the “White Helmets,” the Syrian-American Medical Society, the Aleppo Media Center, which have a history of providing slanted information designed to promote an anti-Assad message (Donald Trump has all but acknowledged that these images played a major role in his decision to reevaluate his opinion of Bashar al-Assad and order the cruise missile attack on Al Shayrat airbase.)

Many of the fighters affiliated with Tahrir al-Sham are veterans of the battle for Aleppo, and as such are intimately familiar with the tools and trade of the extensive propaganda battle that was waged simultaneously with the actual fighting in an effort to sway western public opinion toward adopting a more aggressive stance in opposition to the Syrian government of Assad. These tools were brought to bear in promoting a counter-narrative about the Khan Sheikhoun chemical incident (ironically, many of the activists in question, including the “White Helmets,” were trained and equipped in social media manipulation tactics using money provided by the United States; that these techniques would end up being used to manipulate an American President into carrying out an act of war most likely never factored into the thinking of the State Department personnel who conceived and implemented the program).

Even slick media training, however, cannot gloss over basic factual inconsistencies. Early on, the anti-Assad opposition media outlets were labeling the Khan Sheikhoun incident as a “Sarin nerve agent” attack; one doctor affiliated with Al Qaeda sent out images and commentary via social media that documented symptoms, such as dilated pupils, that he diagnosed as stemming from exposure to Sarin nerve agent. Sarin, however, is an odorless, colorless material, dispersed as either a liquid or vapor; eyewitnesses speak of a “pungent odor” and “blue-yellow” clouds, more indicative of chlorine gas.

And while American media outlets, such as CNN, have spoken of munitions “filled to the brim” with Sarin nerve agent being used at Khan Sheikhoun, there is simply no evidence cited by any source that can sustain such an account. Heartbreaking images of victims being treated by “White Helmet” rescuers have been cited as proof of Sarin-like symptoms, the medical viability of these images is in question; there are no images taken of victims at the scene of the attack. Instead, the video provided by the “White Helmets” is of decontamination and treatment carried out at a “White Helmet” base after the victims, either dead or injured, were transported there.

The lack of viable protective clothing worn by the “White Helmet” personnel while handling victims is another indication that the chemical in question was not military grade Sarin; if it were, the rescuers would themselves have become victims (some accounts speak of just this phenomena, but this occurred at the site of the attack, where the rescuers were overcome by a “pungent smelling” chemical – again, Sarin is odorless.)

More than 20 victims of the Khan Sheikhoun incident were transported to Turkish hospitals for care; three subsequently died. According to the Turkish Justice Minister, autopsies conducted on the bodies confirm that the cause of death was exposure to chemical agents. The World Health Organization has indicated that the symptoms of the Khan Sheikhoun victims are consistent with both Sarin and Chlorine exposure. American media outlets have latched onto the Turkish and WHO statements as “proof” of Syrian government involvement; however, any exposure to the chlorine/white phosphorous blend associated with Al Nusra chemical weapons would produce similar symptoms.

Moreover, if Al Nusra was replicating the type of low-grade Sarin it employed at Ghouta in 2013 at Khan Sheikhoun, it is highly likely that some of the victims in question would exhibit Sarin-like symptoms. Blood samples taken from the victims could provide a more precise readout of the specific chemical exposure involved; such samples have allegedly been collected by Al Nusra-affiliated personnel, and turned over to international investigators (the notion that any serious investigatory body would allow Al Nusra to provide forensic evidence in support of an investigation where it is one of only two potential culprits is mindboggling, but that is precisely what has happened). But the Trump administration chose to act before these samples could be processed, perhaps afraid that their results would not sustain the underlying allegation of the employment of Sarin by the Syrian air force.

Mainstream American media outlets have willingly and openly embraced a narrative provided by Al Qaeda affiliates whose record of using chemical weapons in Syria and distorting and manufacturing “evidence” to promote anti-Assad policies in the west, including regime change, is well documented. These outlets have made a deliberate decision to endorse the view of Al Qaeda over a narrative provided by Russian and Syrian government authorities without any effort to fact check either position. These actions, however, do not seem to shock the conscience of the American public; when it comes to Syria, the mainstream American media and its audience has long ago ceded the narrative to Al Qaeda and other Islamist anti-regime elements.

The real culprits here are the Trump administration, and President Trump himself. The president’s record of placing more weight on what he sees on television than the intelligence briefings he may or may not be getting, and his lack of intellectual curiosity and unfamiliarity with the nuances and complexities of both foreign and national security policy, created the conditions where the imagery of the Khan Sheikhoun victims that had been disseminated by pro-Al Nusra (i.e., Al Qaeda) outlets could influence critical life-or-death decisions.

That President Trump could be susceptible to such obvious manipulation is not surprising, given his predilection for counter-punching on Twitter for any perceived slight; that his national security team allowed him to be manipulated thus, and did nothing to sway Trump’s opinion or forestall action pending a thorough review of the facts, is scandalous. History will show that Donald Trump, his advisors and the American media were little more than willing dupes for Al Qaeda and its affiliates, whose manipulation of the Syrian narrative resulted in a major policy shift that furthers their objectives.

The other winner in this sorry story is ISIS, which took advantage of the American strike against Al Shayrat to launch a major offensive against Syrian government forces around the city of Palmyra (Al Shayrat had served as the principal air base for operations in the Palmyra region). The breakdown in relations between Russia and the United States means that, for the foreseeable future at least, the kind of coordination that had been taking place in the fight against ISIS is a thing of the past, a fact that can only bode well for the fighters of ISIS. For a man who placed so much emphasis on defeating ISIS, President Trump’s actions can only be viewed as a self-inflicted wound, a kind of circular firing squad that marks the actions of a Keystone Cop, and not the Commander in Chief of the most powerful nation in the world.

But the person who might get the last laugh is President Assad himself. While the Pentagon has claimed that it significantly degraded the Al Shayrat air base, with 58 of 59 cruise missile hitting their targets, Russia has stated that only 23 cruise missiles impacted the facility, and these did only limited damage. The runway was undamaged; indeed, in the afternoon of April 7, 2017, a Syrian air force fighter-bomber took off from Al Shayrat, flew to Idlib Province, where it attacked Al Nusra positions near Khan Sheikhoun.

[Seshmeister]

But the person who might get the last laugh is President Assad himself. While the Pentagon has claimed that it significantly degraded the Al Shayrat air base, with 58 of 59 cruise missile hitting their targets, Russia has stated that only 23 cruise missiles impacted the facility, and these did only limited damage. The runway was undamaged; indeed, in the afternoon of April 7, 2017, a Syrian air force fighter-bomber took off from Al Shayrat, flew to Idlib Province, where it attacked Al Nusra positions near Khan Sheikhoun.

Each Tomahawk missile cost about $832,000.

US officials say 59 missiles were fired from the USS Porter and USS Ross warships which were positioned in the Mediterranean Sea.

This would have cost the American taxpayer at least $49,088,000.

[FORD]

Great... as if there wasn't enough money being wasted on Cheetos weekend trips to Florida and his so-called "wife" being held prisoner in the Drumpf Tower penthouse. :puke:

[Terry]

A sizable number of U.S. Marines are already on the ground --what I would deem 'conventional forces' providing artillery support to Kurds IIRC. Opposed to of course the special operations there we have and probably have been in since the outset of the fighting...

My use of the phrase ground troops was vague, probably misapplied. What I should have said was along the lines of conventional/non-special operations ground troops engaged in in actual combat rather than primarily an assistance or training role.

[vandeleur]

Each Tomahawk missile cost about $832,000.

US officials say 59 missiles were fired from the USS Porter and USS Ross warships which were positioned in the Mediterranean Sea.

This would have cost the American taxpayer at least $49,088,000.

And the asshat regime $5 in tarmac to repair the runway

[FORD]

http://www.kansascity.com/latest-news/kauczp/picture143552114/ALTERNATES/FREE_960/judge%200409.jpg

[FORD]

http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoons/HorseD/2017/HorseD20170410_low.jpg

[FORD]

http://images.dailykos.com/images/387408/story_image/TMW2017-04-12color.png

[FORD]

Donald Trump personally profited from missile-maker Raytheon’s stock jump after his Syria attack
Tom Boggioni
rawstory.com
08 Apr 2017 at 09:48 ET



While the world is dealing with both the implications and the fall-out from President Donald Trump’s missile attack on a Syrian airfield on Thursday, the manufacturer of the Tomahawk missile used in the attack is seeing their stock surge which is good news for their investors — including the president.

As noted by the Palmer Report, Trump owns stock in Raytheon, which was reported by Business Insider in 2015.

According to Trump’s financial disclosure reports filed with the FEC in 2015, his stock portfolio includes investments in technology firms, financial institutions and defense firms, including Raytheon.

On Thursday, Trump launched an attack on the al-Shayrat military airfield, used by both Syrian and Russian military forces, hitting it with 59 Tomahawk missiles manufactured by Raytheon. Trump’s attack on Syria was reportedly in response to a deadly gas attack launched by Syrian President Bashar al-Assad against his own people earlier in the week.

While the Tomahawk attack did little damage to the airfield — with the Syrian air force continuing to launch assaults from the same base on Friday — investors, sensing an increasing escalation in tensions between two countries and the possibility of war , pushed Raytheon stock up.

Since taking office, Trump has refused to divulge all of his financial information — including his income taxes — and refused to place his business and financial holdings in a blind trust allowing Trump and his family to move money and investments around as they see fit.

[Nickdfresh]

My use of the phrase ground troops was vague, probably misapplied. What I should have said was along the lines of conventional/non-special operations ground troops engaged in in actual combat rather than primarily an assistance or training role.

I understad what you're saying, but the Marines sort of are involved, with fire missions at least, but not infantry combat - at least not yet...

[Nickdfresh]

And the asshat regime $5 in tarmac to repair the runway

The strike was an expensive popgun like something out of Conrad's Heart of Darkness, and I am sort of on the fence about it. But I wouldn't underestimate what the blow of losing even a few aircraft and facilities to the Syrian regime military is as they were once one of the most powerful air-forces in the Middle East and have been severally reduced since the war began. They're struggling to maintain sorties...

[Terry]

I understad what you're saying, but the Marines sort of are involved, with fire missions at least, but not infantry combat - at least not yet...

Yeah, but there was a lack of precision in what I said. If the totality of what I said was taken to a logical extreme, it would be easy to infer what I meant was that there were no US troops in Syria at all at the moment, which certainly is incorrect. Ground troops was my reference to what you rightly and concisely termed as infantry combat. US infantry combat troops alone engaging in unilateral conflict with Syrian factions isn't a winning strategy to my way of thinking.

[jacksmar]

Surely bombing from offshore alone isn't going to solve the situation in Syria long-term.

By definition it was a deliberate action. It certainly was swift.

Let's give you that it was both measured and proportional.

Where do we go from here?

Am not asking rhetorically because I have a multitude of smug retorts to whatever answer(s) I assume you might give.

Seriously, what do you think should happen next?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT-ctV2WXNk

Terry, this is what happened next. While Nick, FORD, and sesh demand Trump step down, this has been going on for years.

Get rid of Assad.

[jacksmar]

The Russians are more-or-less friends with the Iranians that Trump wants to bomb so much, another one of your rightist bullshit inconsistencies. And if you want to save all those starving Koreans, feel free to sign back up old man, because a lot of other Koreans will die in that bloodbath if there is a war at the moment...

Spoken like a true commlib. Mutually assured destruction right? No other outcome. Watch the Pacific rim skies shortly, prof. I'm closer to centcom than you'd care to know. No need to sign back up. Shaky ol' jerksmear is doing just fine.

[Kristy]

shuthe t fcku up,you stu pid cu nt

[Nickdfresh]

Spoken like a true commlib. Mutually assured destruction right? No other outcome. Watch the Pacific rim skies shortly, prof. I'm closer to centcom than you'd care to know. No need to sign back up. Shaky ol' jerksmear is doing just fine.

You're dumber than you'd care to know...

I didn't say anything regarding MAD, moron...

[Kristy]

You can shut the fuck up, too Wiki Liki Diki Niki

[jacksmar]

You're dumber than you'd care to know...

I didn't say anything regarding MAD, moron...

No, you didn't prof buffalo. you implied we lose against the iran because the mighty flat broke russian bare is on the low cost oil side of iran. typical. can't fuck with the russians because the dempons are afraid. got to tell the world how mighty russia is, right adlai?

the party moved on down the road to mar-a-lago and the commander in chief is letting the generals do their job. and they're not afraid of lighting up the arctic to take out an airbase. would the leftovers be an ebb or flow, prof?

[Nickdfresh]

You can shut the fuck up, too Wiki Liki Diki Niki

Go get high, then fuck off, beauty school dropout...

[Nickdfresh]

No, you didn't prof buffalo. you implied we lose against the iran because the mighty flat broke russian bare is on the low cost oil side of iran. typical. can't fuck with the russians because the dempons are afraid. got to tell the world how mighty russia is, right adlai?

the party moved on down the road to mar-a-lago and the commander in chief is letting the generals do their job. and they're not afraid of lighting up the arctic to take out an airbase. would the leftovers be an ebb or flow, prof?

Kristy is a pothead loser and you're an incoherent drunk. Can you two sober up and actually post to WHAT I FUCKING SAID?

I was talking about a war in the Korean peninsula, moron.

[Nickdfresh]

shuthe t fcku up,you stu pid cu nt

http://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s480x480/e15/12917973_1025261220882578_1411482426_n.jpg

[jacksmar]

Kristy is a pothead loser and you're an incoherent drunk. Can you two sober up and actually post to WHAT I FUCKING SAID?

I was talking about a war in the Korean peninsula, moron.

i'm so sorry prof. it must have been the words iranians and russians that you used that threw you off.


Trump said he would take care of the NK problem with or without China. One more time, Trump said he would take care of the NK problem with or without China.

find this in your common core curriculum: The US is the UN's designated custodian of the NK/SK cease fire and the ongoing negotiations.


try this prof: If NK goes nuke they will invade SK and will nuke Japan. SK and Japan are thinking that what China is suggesting is their destruction. And China is at its best, is a one party Communist regime.

Screw China and NK. They can be comms or whatever they want to be.
BUT, the US simply cannot let NK put a nuclear weapon to our head. ...

[Nickdfresh]

i'm so sorry prof. it must have been the words iranians and russians that you used that threw you off.


Trump said he would take care of the NK problem with or without China. One more time, Trump said he would take care of the NK problem with or without China.

find this in your common core curriculum: The US is the UN's designated custodian of the NK/SK cease fire and the ongoing negotiations.


try this prof: If NK goes nuke they will invade SK and will nuke Japan. SK and Japan are thinking that what China is suggesting is their destruction. And China is at its best, is a one party Communist regime.

Screw China and NK. They can be comms or whatever they want to be.
BUT, the US simply cannot let NK put a nuclear weapon to our head. ...

Don't worry, Trump isn't going to fix shit and the North Koreans already have a nuke or three. I'm pretty sure our 4,000 or so warheads will turn them into a parking lot and both South Korea can build nukes on a moment's notice...

[FORD]

Or maybe the Chinese will just roll in and take Lil' Kim out themselves? They probably don't want to add to their "bully" image, but it becomes a "lesser evil" in their eyes, if the only other option is a shit load of radiation floating around the Northeast provinces of China right when they're trying to clean up their air.

But then of course, there is a little piece of Russia that borders on NK as well, so how would Pooty react if China smacked the Norks down?

[Nickdfresh]

The problem is the eternal Powell conundrum of "you break it, you buy it." Who the fuck wants to buy North Korea? The South is terrified of actually winning a war and having to sacrifice their economy to run a unified poverty stricken failed state. China is more worried about potentially millions of refugees that would precipitate a DPRK collapse. Of course they don't want U.S. troops there or a strong, unified Korea either...

[Nickdfresh]

I do believe that lil' Kim is on China's last nerve, though...
http://www.slightlyqualified.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/un3.jpg

[FORD]

The Chinese probably wouldn't even notice if a few million spilled over from NK to the neighboring provinces, as those areas are culturally more "Korean" than Chinese as it is. Right down to having dog on the menu at some of the restaurants in that region. They don't eat puppies because they have to, but because it's "traditional". :puke:

I'm thinking a unified Korea is the most likely outcome eventually. Yeah, it's going to be tough on Seoul to manage this, but they just need to find themselves a "Franklin Delano Park" who can bring the north into the 21st century.

[vandeleur]

By leapfrogging the previous two centuries.
We have no idea how shit a condition North Korea is in , the real north Korea not the cities we are shown but a totally uneducated comment is its probably worse than we could even guess at.

[FORD]

The most reasonable assumption is that there hasn't been much advancement there since 1945, when the "divorce" happened between the north & south. So that wouldn't take them back two centuries, but a damn good chunk of one. At least Cuba was fairly modernized for the time before the post Castro blockades left them frozen in a 1958 time warp.

[vandeleur]

The most reasonable assumption is that there hasn't been much advancement there since 1945, when the "divorce" happened between the north & south. So that wouldn't take them back two centuries, but a damn good chunk of one. At least Cuba was fairly modernized for the time before the post Castro blockades left them frozen in a 1958 time warp.

I have a friend who works in China building foundaries .... away from the cities it's like monty pythons the holy grail . Bet a country that thinks it's god like leader was the first person to Land on the sun .... although to be fair he went at night. Has parts of it that still think u2 were good . Just saying :)

[Terry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT-ctV2WXNk

Terry, this is what happened next. While Nick, FORD, and sesh demand Trump step down, this has been going on for years.

Get rid of Assad.

I absolutely agree that Assad should go.

My concern is the details of the mechanism for his removal, and having a plan in place for what happens after he is removed.

The military aspect of Assad's removal is the easy part. I'm not someone who fetishizes our military (or anyone else's), but even having said that I have no doubt our military would be up to the job of removal.

It's the aftermath that concerns me: would the cure eventually prove to be worse than the disease?

I understand all about the best laid plans of mice and men, and no solutions or outcomes are perfect, and inaction within strictly humanitarian terms is not an option.

Rashness is what concerns me, here. That and the fact that seemingly none of the other geopolitical major players are displaying near to the amount of concern that we are: a unilateral action would be a mistake.

With North Korea, we may end up having to do something in a unilateral manner. Particularly if Lil Kim gets desperate and makes a desperate gesture. We're not at that point with Syria, yet.

[jacksmar]

I absolutely agree that Assad should go.

My concern is the details of the mechanism for his removal, and having a plan in place for what happens after he is removed.

The military aspect of Assad's removal is the easy part. I'm not someone who fetishizes our military (or anyone else's), but even having said that I have no doubt our military would be up to the job of removal.

It's the aftermath that concerns me: would the cure eventually prove to be worse than the disease?

I understand all about the best laid plans of mice and men, and no solutions or outcomes are perfect, and inaction within strictly humanitarian terms is not an option.

Rashness is what concerns me, here. That and the fact that seemingly none of the other geopolitical major players are displaying near to the amount of concern that we are: a unilateral action would be a mistake.

With North Korea, we may end up having to do something in a unilateral manner. Particularly if Lil Kim gets desperate and makes a desperate gesture. We're not at that point with Syria, yet.

I agree with you. Assad is my concern. Make an example out of the guy and be done with him. ISIS will try build from that and probably get more power.

Look, if you want me to speak frankly it's easy. I really don't care how Syria ends up or how. You have a guy that has no problem using chemical weapons and his next move before removal will be to use them on Israel. When that happens all bets are off. Everyone has to pick a side.

Syria is 69% Sunni and 11% Alawis so I guess you go back to Bush Sr.'s
Iraq plan where you draw some lines and let them figure it out.

But someone in Syria will become responsible for Saddam's stockpile.
That's the problem we need to keep track of.

http://www.nysun.com/foreign/iraqs-wmd-secreted-in-syria-sada-says/26514/

[FORD]

The problem isn't so much Assad going as what comes after Assad.

As in Iraq. As in Libya. As in Egypt, to a slightly lesser degree.

Sure, it's one thing to say that an asshole dictator should go. But what replaces him? And who gets to decide that? And why should it be anybody who doesn't have to live in that country making that decision.

Hell, I spent the first 8 years of this century hoping that the Chimp would be removed from office, but I damn sure wouldn't have been happy about a foreign army coming in to do it. And if somebody toppled Cheeto right now, we would get the same thing most of these Muslim countries get - a theocratic dictatorship. Only difference here is that it would be considered "legal" because Pence is already in office.

[FORD]

And by the way, the "New York Sun" is such a pile of Likudist propaganda bullshit that it makes the Weekly World News look credible by comparison. Not to mention that article is 11 years old and was debunked THEN.

[Terry]

I agree with you. Assad is my concern. Make an example out of the guy and be done with him. ISIS will try build from that and probably get more power.

Look, if you want me to speak frankly it's easy. I really don't care how Syria ends up or how. You have a guy that has no problem using chemical weapons and his next move before removal will be to use them on Israel. When that happens all bets are off. Everyone has to pick a side.

Syria is 69% Sunni and 11% Alawis so I guess you go back to Bush Sr.'s
Iraq plan where you draw some lines and let them figure it out.

But someone in Syria will become responsible for Saddam's stockpile.
That's the problem we need to keep track of.

http://www.nysun.com/foreign/iraqs-wmd-secreted-in-syria-sada-says/26514/

I'll try to be equally frank: I'm not losing any more sleep over what is happening in Syria now than I have been for the last decade, which is to say none. Truth be told, I didn't lose much sleep over what has been happening in Iraq for the last 14 years. Probably because living in America provides me a psychological sense of remove. Yes, what happened in 2001 was terrible, but you 're still far more likely to be killed driving your car...or be shot by a white man born in the United States...than you are from a foreign attack. Will there be a nuclear suitcase bomb attack in the future? Perhaps. Yes, the images of those conflicts were and are horrible. On a basic human level, any decent person would wish none of these things were transpiring...anywhere. Ever.

Tribalism, religious extremism and control over primary global energy resources. For me, that sums up the Middle East: bunch of nations being used as proxy war theaters for larger powers. Al-Qaeda fractures into ISIS/ISIL. Thirty years ago it was Lybian terrorists. Trying to stamp out these small terror cells, even with the technology we have at hand now, still feels like trying to catch a waft of smoke. How many Islamic males are we radicalizing whenever we drone a current Islamic terrorist? Is there an end to this? Ever? Or is it un-American to even think critically about these things, or suggest there may be solutions that don't necessarily involve the use of unilateral military force? I'm not saying that is what you were implying about my comments at all, but when I think aloud like this there is a contingent of people (not even talking about this site specifically) who think anything less than a display of American military force is a pussy-like response.

And you know what's funny? Most of the Americans I encounter who are so gung-ho about reflexively sending troops to all these hot spots at the first sign of trouble and "kickin' some motherfucking ass!" AREN'T EVEN IN THE FUCKING MILITARY!!! Myself, I think it's the height of bullshit cowardice for citizens to jingoistically beat their chests and emit war cries as long as it is someone else who is doing the fighting. I can assure you, the people I know (more than a few) who are actively serving in the military don't approach their service like that...at all. Maybe lessening the requirements for service eligibility and putting all these marginally employed citizens who are so enthralled with going to war INTO the military and shipping them overseas would be a solution to these multiple tours our servicemen are getting burned out from. All these rah-rah, shoot 'em up citizens can be deployed to the Middle East with an M-16, all the MRE's they can eat, a keg of Budweiser while chanting "USA, USA, USA!" as they storm and retake Aleppo. Give 'em a taste of what they're cheering for. Call 'em 'Citizen Warriors'...I mean, not to be glib, but what the fuck? Why not? Beats sitting around America jobless, hooked on opioids with no particular purpose in life other than breeding kids they can't afford to have, right?

Spillover from Syria into Israel WOULD be potentially calamitous. Frankly, I don't care much about Israel, no more than Syria, or Iraq. I suppose Israel does think Iran poses an existential threat. More religious, secular nuttiness from my perspective, but from theirs I have no doubt they take it all with grave seriousness.

Let's say every other Middle Eastern country said they would be willing to guarantee peace in the Middle East, but the price would be Israel permitting Palestine to exist hassle-free, and the US would agree to stop favoring Israel after Palestine received their rightful lands. Would we go along with that? Or would we continue to support whatever Benjamin Netanyahu dictates? How many of our troubles as a nation regarding Middle Eastern blowback can be tracked back to our seemingly unconditional support of Israel? Or is it anti-Semitic to even so much as MENTION these thoughts?

I dunno. What's the expression: the more I know, the less I understand. Seems strange as a species that we spend so much time and effort to build ever-more effective weapons in order to annihilate one another, and the remaining time and effort is spent accumulating money so we can buy...stuff. Things. I'm no better than anyone else, but is this all there is?

[FORD]

I don't see any significant chance at peace in the Middle East until NuttyYahoo is gone. Rabin was Israel's version of JFK and ever since he was murdered (and the "official" story of his killing is about as real as the LHO myth in the US) Israel has taken a hard right turn, with NuttyYahoo being in power the bulk of that time, with Sharon in the middle and a couple of short termers who were supposedly "Labour" but only in the same sense that Clinton and Obama were "Democrats", as their policies mirrored those of the Likud more than the Labour party as it was before Rabin was assassinated.

It's actually comparable to the right wing turn the US took after JFK was slaughtered, only it took place much faster in Israel. Supposedly the majority of the Israeli people want a peaceful resolution with the Palestinians, yet they keep allowing these right wing assholes to control their government. And NuttyYahoo had to go even further to the insane fringe nutjob right just to win his last election, promising his fringe "partners" that there would be no Palestinian state on his watch. These fringers are the type who believe that Israel should extend from the Nile to the Euphrates "because God said so" (God actually told Abraham that land would belong to ALL of his descendants, not just the Isaac branch, but that's beside the point when you're talking about a modern state created by a UN mandate)

Israel needs to stop electing these tools before they can resolve this. And they can't even blame it on massive electronic fraud or Koch funded database. They could blame it on Russians, but that wouldn't be Putin's crew, rather the Trotskyite exiles who occupy more real estate in Israel these days than the genetic descendants of Abraham & Isaac do.

[Kristy]

Don't worry, Trump isn't going to fix shit and the North Koreans already have a nuke or three. I'm pretty sure our 4,000 or so warheads will turn them into a parking lot and both South Korea can build nukes on a moment's notice...

Middle-aged white male dick talk, everybody

[FORD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS3C7_Fc_5c

[Seshmeister]

By leapfrogging the previous two centuries.
We have no idea how shit a condition North Korea is in , the real north Korea not the cities we are shown but a totally uneducated comment is its probably worse than we could even guess at.

It's the Iraq thing all over again x10. You have a country where the leader is pretending to be powerful to scare people and our politicians using that fake propaganda as an excuse for war.
Also even if their shit worked which I seriously doubt, why wouldn't deterrence nuclear and otherwise work?

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4092/5015891270_879e132059_b.jpg

[Nickdfresh]

Middle-aged white male dick talk, everybody

As opposed to your antisemitic, fascist groupie whore mouth?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEep0FuvVOw