5 Countries That Kick Ass When It Comes to Health Care!

[FORD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfZcYKmki70

[DavidLeeNatra]

That's why we laugh our asses off about what's going on in your so called country and government.

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[jacksmar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm5SYxRXHsI

What's the difference between muslim and a nazi?
Keep laughing....

[Nickdfresh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm5SYxRXHsI

What's the difference between muslim and a nazi?
Keep laughing....

What's this have to do with health care, retard?

But a Muslim is a person of the Islamic religious faith whereas a Nazi is a cunt like you, a holder of a autocratic, racist ideology prone to lawlessness and violence...

[jacksmar]

What's this have to do with health care, retard?

But a Muslim is a person of the Islamic religious faith whereas a Nazi is a cunt like you, a holder of a autocratic, racist ideology prone to lawlessness and violence...

so close nickdtwerp. but you're definition defines all the unlettered tards that voted for the Kenyan houseboy. twice.

autocratic= the science is settled...

racist= the assholes that gave the kenyan houseboy a peace medal because he was black

lawlessness and violence=


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi_vX0tknJM

[FORD]

Right... Miss Millie the whiny little bitch brought in BlacKKKwater thugs in with him to start a fake riot, thinking he would get some publicity out of it. And then, once he did, he outed himself as a fucking PEDOPHILE and ended his so-called "career" in reich wing propaganda (yes, fucking children is even too much for Stormtrumpers to be associated with... at least on the record. And not necessarily Cheeto himself)

And again... what the FUCK does that whiny little pedobitch have to do with health care?

[jacksmar]

Right... Miss Millie the whiny little bitch brought in BlacKKKwater thugs in with him to start a fake riot, thinking he would get some publicity out of it. And then, once he did, he outed himself as a fucking PEDOPHILE and ended his so-called "career" in reich wing propaganda (yes, fucking children is even too much for Stormtrumpers to be associated with... at least on the record. And not necessarily Cheeto himself)

And again... what the FUCK does that whiny little pedobitch have to do with health care?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHZBGidQcEs

he's just looking out for the next generation of libs and .....

he makes you sick....

jagged little pill...

[cadaverdog]

That's why we laugh our asses off about what's going on in your so called country and government.

If it wasn't for our so called country you'd be speaking Russian right now. We could have let the Soviets annex your whole country after WWII. How proud you must be to be from a country that started and lost two world wars in half a century.

[FORD]

If it wasn't for our so called country you'd be speaking Russian right now. We could have let the Soviets annex your whole country after WWII. How proud you must be to be from a country that started and lost two world wars in half a century.

This is a health care thread, not a WWII history revision thread. So instead, why don't we talk about how West Germany & Japan got great health care programs in the post war years, exactly the same program that President Truman intended to set up in the USA at the same time, but was blocked by the "do nothing Republican Congress" - a group so completely useless that it would be another 60 years before a worse governmental body could be found. And that would be the current "do LESS than nothing (and repeat the same nothing over 60 times) Republican Congress

Fuck Hiroshima & Nagasaki, old Harry should have sent those useless fucks out to the Nevada bomb testing ground and tried the atomic bombs out on them. And let that stand as a lesson to the obstructionist fuckwits that were to come. Certainly wouldn't have to deal with the likes of Eddie Munster and Bitch McTurtle if this had been settled in 1947.

[cadaverdog]

This is a health care thread, not a WWII history revision thread
I merely replied to another members post. I thought that's how these things work.

[FORD]

It seems that neither you or Jerksmear are capable of discussing the topic of the thread. Maybe that's because the current Republican party position is completely indefensible?

[cadaverdog]

It seems that neither you or Jerksmear are capable of discussing the topic of the thread. Maybe that's because the current Republican party position is completely indefensible?
Like I already said I was merely replying to another member's post. I'm not a Republican or a Democrat. A conservative or a liberal. I supported Donald Trump because he was the only candidate capable of keeping Hillary Clinton from prostituting the presidency just like she prostituted the office of secretary of state. If the Democratic party hadn't have tried to force that miserable excuse for a human being down this country's throat I wouldn't have given two shits who won that election. Believe or not I' was never a big fan of Donald Trump and I'm still not but if there was as much evidence you think there is that he did any of the bullshit you've accused him of since day one he would not longer be president
As far as universal healtcare goes, I'm all for it.

[jacksmar]

It seems that neither you or Jerksmear are capable of discussing the topic of the thread. Maybe that's because the current Republican party position is completely indefensible?

can't and won't speak for cdog. but the day we have a republican party position that isn't repeal and replace, only repeal; then we won't have socialist lite.


Natra and yourself can brag about the 50% tax rate and the 200 insurance companies on the government dole. Germany's population is about 70% less than the US. Not to mention the 46 million only the kenyan houseboy knew about that are uninsured.

Germany isn't capable of handling the US capacity. so keep laughing tard...

make a right turn in Germany and you'll end up in Russia...

[Nickdfresh]

so close nickdtwerp. but you're definition defines all the unlettered tards that voted for the Kenyan houseboy. twice.

autocratic= the science is settled...

racist= the assholes that gave the kenyan houseboy a peace medal because he was black

lawlessness and violence=


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi_vX0tknJM

Well you're a brilliant one, aren't you?

[Nickdfresh]

If it wasn't for our so called country you'd be speaking Russian right now. We could have let the Soviets annex your whole country after WWII. How proud you must be to be from a country that started and lost two world wars in half a century.

Well, we might be soon... :)

BTW, the East Germans still spoke German, not Russian....

You're such a silly rascal!!! :)

[Nickdfresh]

Like I already said I was merely replying to another member's post. I'm not a Republican or a Democrat. A conservative or a liberal. I supported Donald Trump because he was the only candidate capable of keeping Hillary Clinton from prostituting the presidency just like she prostituted the office of secretary of state. If the Democratic party hadn't have tried to force that miserable excuse for a human being down this country's throat I wouldn't have given two shits who won that election. Believe or not I' was never a big fan of Donald Trump and I'm still not but if there was as much evidence you think there is that he did any of the bullshit you've accused him of since day one he would not longer be president
As far as universal healtcare goes, I'm all for it.

Well, thank God Trump doesn't have Putin, Wall St's, China's, etc, cum all over his face!! Thank God he's not just a total whore!! :)

[Nickdfresh]

can't and won't speak for cdog. ...

You can barely speak for yourself you toddering, shot fucktard... :)

[DavidLeeNatra]

...make a right turn in Germany and you'll end up in Russia...

Where you're "president" was made? That was the greatest trick the good ole KGB ever pulled I guess. Giving all you Ronald Reagan adoring, gun slinging, "we are god's greatest nation"-howling right wingers that laughing stock of a puppet to ruin what's left of a once great country.

[DavidLeeNatra]

And yes...we owe the American people a lot and we never forget that. But it's not 1945 or 1961 or 1989 anymore.

Our health care system has nothing to do with how many people live here. It's a system that works because we believe that every human being here is important enough to get help if needed.

That makes us strong and wealthy as a nation.

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[cadaverdog]

BTW, the East Germans still spoke German, not Russian....

Only because the Russians allowed them to.

[cadaverdog]

And yes...we owe the American people a lot and we never forget that. But it's not 1945 or 1961 or 1989 anymore.


You're thankful but you make comments about how you laugh at our "so called country and government". You're gratitude doesn't really fit my definition of gratitude.

[cadaverdog]

Where you're "president" was made? That was the greatest trick the good ole KGB ever pulled I guess. Giving all you Ronald Reagan adoring, gun slinging, "we are god's greatest nation"-howling right wingers that laughing stock of a puppet to ruin what's left of a once great country.

Donald Trump won the election fair and square. If all the people who claim he didn't had one solid piece of evidence he didn't you'd think they would have revealed it by now. When exactly is that gonna happen? As far as Ronald Reagan's legacy goes you'd think his part in ending the cold war would make a German slightly appreciative but then again you show your gratitude by posting what a fucked up piece of shit you think America is.

[FORD]

" As far as Ronald Reagan's legacy goes...." Maybe you should see what his son has to say in the ImOrangment thread?

And leave this thread for discussion of HEALTH CARE.

Like where is that bigly "it's gonna be terrific" healthcare plan that Cheeto promised?

Rhetorical question of course. He doesn't have one. And he knows damn well what the only true solution is. He admits it every time he tells a foreign head of state that they have "better health care than we do".

[cadaverdog]

" As far as Ronald Reagan's legacy goes...." Maybe you should see what his son has to say in the ImOrangment thread?

And leave this thread for discussion of HEALTH CARE and bad mouthing America.
I don't give a flying fuck what his son or you thinks about anything.
BTW. I fixed your post for you. You accidentally left out a couple words.

[Nickdfresh]

Only because the Russians allowed them to.

Really? You think the Soviet-Russians were going to make them speak Russian? They couldn't even get everyone in their empire to speak it!

BTW, we gave a lot of aid to the USSR in WWII, most notably the overlooked trucks from Jeeps to Chrysler cargo trucks, which enabled the Soviets to advance West so quickly. We weren't exactly trying to save Germany from anything while bombing the fuck out of them...

[Nickdfresh]

Donald Trump won the election fair and square...

Who is saying he didn't? Who the fuck are you talking about?

[DavidLeeNatra]

Who is saying he didn't? Who the fuck are you talking about?
I said that the Russians did everything to secure he'd win.

[DavidLeeNatra]

Donald Trump won the election fair and square. If all the people who claim he didn't had one solid piece of evidence he didn't you'd think they would have revealed it by now. When exactly is that gonna happen? As far as Ronald Reagan's legacy goes you'd think his part in ending the cold war would make a German slightly appreciative but then again you show your gratitude by posting what a fucked up piece of shit you think America is.
The end of the world war was 62 ago the end of the cold war was 25 years ago! Gratitude was payed. Thanks again! But the world has turned so has your country...big time...

Since then the Reagenomics fucked up your economy and lead the world later in the most serious financial crisis since the black friday. I highly consider the documentary "Inside Job" on the subject.

George W. fought some questionable wars, not to mention how many people lost their homes because of the crisis. When Katrina was coming towards New Orleans Bush literary did nothing to prevent the catastrophe. Detroit is dying. On and on and on... Sorry, but your country is in a bad shape.

And if a third world country can't effort to give health care to everyone it might be something to accept. But for the biggest economy in the world it's just a shame.

[cadaverdog]

We weren't exactly trying to save Germany from anything while bombing the fuck out of them...
I suppose you think we should have just let Hitler keep on murdering Jews and anybody else that stood in his way of becoming the dictator of earth.

[cadaverdog]

. When Katrina was coming towards New Orleans Bush literary did nothing to prevent the catastrophe.

I wasn't aware George W Bush had God like powers and could stop a hurricane.

[FORD]

I wasn't aware George W Bush had God like powers and could stop a hurricane.

He had pResidential powers which allowed him to divert funds from the Army Corps of Engineers - which would have been used to repair the levees around New Orleans BEFORE the hurricane - to his stupid, illegal, bullshit PNAC wars.

Repaired levees would not have prevented the hurricane, but it would have greatly reduced the clusterfuck that followed.

[DavidLeeNatra]

I wasn't aware George W Bush had God like powers and could stop a hurricane.
You are not THAT stupid, aren't you?

[FORD]

Yes, he really is.

[cadaverdog]

Like where is that bigly "it's gonna be terrific" healthcare plan that Cheeto promised?

Rhetorical question of course. He doesn't have one. And he knows damn well what the only true solution is. He admits it every time he tells a foreign head of state that they have "better health care than we do".
Obama had 8 years to try to implement universal health care but he never even attempted to do so. Trump's only been the president for about 4 months.

[FORD]

Have you seen Cheeto's new cruel joke of a "budget"? There's absolutely nothing in it which would suggest he has an interest in an actual health care plan. Or any sort of plan that benefits humanity in any capacity, for that matter.

[cadaverdog]

He had pResidential powers which allowed him to divert funds from the Army Corps of Engineers - which would have been used to repair the levees around New Orleans BEFORE the hurricane - to his stupid, illegal, bullshit PNAC wars.
If that's true can you provide a link or any other evidence? Here's one that says you're full of shit as usual.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/24/us/decade-after-katrina-pointing-finger-more-firmly-at-army-corps.html?_r=4

[Nickdfresh]

I said that the Russians did everything to secure he'd win.

Yeah, they helped with the Wikileaks shit. With Hillary's idiotic private server and Comey dropping the "reopening investigation" bomb did a lot. It was a perfect storm of cunt-for-Trump...

[Nickdfresh]

I suppose you think we should have just let Hitler keep on murdering Jews and anybody else that stood in his way of becoming the dictator of earth.

You couldn't even begin to "suppose" what I "think" you blundering, kneejerking dolt!

We didn't go to war to "save the Jews" and in fact tried to prevent it from becoming a "crusade to save the Jews". We went to war because Hitler was a blundering, conspiracy mongering fucktard! Gee, who does that remind us of?

[Nickdfresh]

Obama had 8 years to try to implement universal health care but he never even attempted to do so. Trump's only been the president for about 4 months.

Oh yeah, he didn't get that executive order through. You moron, how the fuck was he with the do-nothing congress of Republictards?

[Nickdfresh]

I wasn't aware George W Bush had God like powers and could stop a hurricane.

No, but it would have been nice if the world's preeminent superpower that spends by far the most on defense had been able to fucking pick up bodies off the streets in less than three weeks and hadn't generally blundered everything like it was a third world country for fucking fuck sakes!! He fucked the recovery effort by filling FEMA with a bunch of incompetent appointee dolts that floundered like bodies in the flood waters...

[FORD]

Chimpy just wanted to get in some fishing time with his old man....


https://www.yorapper.com/Photos/george-bush-finshing-in-new-orleans.jpg

[Terry]

Have you seen Cheeto's new cruel joke of a "budget"? There's absolutely nothing in it which would suggest he has an interest in an actual health care plan. Or any sort of plan that benefits humanity in any capacity, for that matter.

I mean, Christ, yet another round of austerity measures (even if Trump's heartless budget doesn't pass) and cutbacks to government services that benefit the poor and working class the most, all in order to provide the upper classes and business conglomerates with a round of tax breaks they don't need: I say that they don't need it because historically such tax breaks have as yet to "trickle down" to the rest of us.

And the areas/states/regions these cutbacks will impact the hardest are those that went for Trump in the biglyist, yugest way last November. It's scary, and I take no sadistic pleasure in thinking about what is coming down the pike for these Trump voters (and the rest of us).

However, it's good that these elite sentiments about the underclass are finally going to be delineated in easy-to-understand fiscal policies: if one couldn't have figured out by now how the ruling class views the rest of us, this budget shines a bright, hard light on the sentiments. In short, those in power have no moral obligation toward anyone other than themselves, and 90% of the country can best be summed up as the servant class. Useful only if they are contributing their time and labor to keeping the ruling elites in power, useless and disposable otherwise. Nothing new historically, but sort of takes the gleam off the notion of America being historically unique.

Economic playing field not level in terms of wages? Tough shit. Can't afford health insurance and/or quality health care? Suck it up. Have outlived your usefulness as a worker, but don't have enough to retire within the confines of decent, humane living standards? Bite me, snowflake. Either start buying cat food to eat in bulk from WalMart or have the decency to fuck off and die, because we have no more use for you. Lived a decent life and didn't scratch your way to the top by fucking over everyone you encountered? Whatever, dumbass. Clearly you were too much of a weak pussy to make it to the top, so eat shit and die.

'Merica! USA! USA! USA! USA!

I mean, are the things I illustrated above really where we are at as a nation now? Was it always that way? It didn't used to feel that way. Are we only good for bombing the shit out of other countries now? Is an economy where 10% swap bad loans while the other 90% work at Starbucks the definition of the American Dream? Is it unpatriotic for me to say these things?

I want to love my country. I want to give my President (even though I didn't vote for him and frankly think he's mentally unfit to hold that office) the benefit of the doubt and support him.

Trump's America is making it pretty fuckin' hard to do those things.

[DavidLeeNatra]

Terry, you're spot on. As a kid I slept in stars and stripes and dreamed of going to America one day. I live in Berlin and we were raised with the legacy of the "Rosinenbomber" and believe it or not we applauded when the GI's drove threw our streets.

But...BUT...time went by and from an outside view your country turned exactly into what you described above. And yes, being grateful and saying that your country turned into a place that has issues is possible.

I don't agree with everything that happens here either. Skandinavien countries are far superior in many things, like education and school systems. The problem is, that your right wingers sell every act of social humanity or caring for each other and helping the weak as an act towards socialism or communism.

We have a system where no one is left behind if it comes to health care. And yes, I pay more than others, because I make some solid bucks. Do I live in a socialist country? Heck, no! Ask the Greek! But I give to a system I once benefited from coming from a working class background. And I give to live in a strong and wealthy country. You leave people behind, you get trouble. You get people like Hitler, Erdogan and yes, you get Trump. A compulsive liar (don't say he isn't) promising smoke and mirror and "easy solutions" by blaming others but fucking those who voted for them up their asses.

Don't fool yourself. I said "so called country" because you don't seem that united anymore. You leave many, many people behind. I said "so called government" because a leader should have a plan, some kind of program. There is no, except from empty promises.

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[Terry]

Terry, you're spot on. As a kid I slept in stars and stripes and dreamed of going to America one day. I live in Berlin and we were raised with the legacy of the "Rosinenbomber" and believe it or not we applauded when the GI's drove threw our streets.

But...BUT...time went by and from an outside view your country turned exactly into what you described above. And yes, being grateful and saying that your country turned into a place that has issues is possible.

I don't agree with everything that happens here either. Skandinavien countries are far superior in many things, like education and school systems. The problem is, that your right wingers sell every act of social humanity or caring for each other and helping the weak as an act towards socialism or communism.

We have a system where no one is left behind if it comes to health care. And yes, I pay more than others, because I make some solid bucks. Do I live in a socialist country? Heck, no! Ask the Greek! But I give to a system I once benefited from coming from a working class background. And I give to live in a strong and wealthy country. You leave people behind, you get trouble. You get people like Hitler, Erdogan and yes, you get Trump. A compulsive liar (don't say he isn't) promising smoke and mirror and "easy solutions" by blaming others but fucking those who voted for them up their asses.

Don't fool yourself. I said "so called country" because you don't seem that united anymore. You leave many, many people behind. I said "so called government" because a leader should have a plan, some kind of program. There is no, except from empty promises.

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I'll tell you, Natty, that I was fortunate enough to live abroad for a few years in Europe in the late 1980s. Fortunate in the sense that people who are born and live in America all their lives and never leave (or leave for brief holidays and never immerse themselves in other cultures beyond basic tourist excursions) don't have the actual physical realization of what it is to experience the fact that there is a big world outside of America. Much, much bigger than America.

Post-war German reconciliation with the rise of the Nazis and all that transpired - and the role of all the German peoples in that - none of that could have been easy. Having to dig out of the rubble of what Hitler left for them and cope with the shame of it. Contrast that to what I was taught in American schools growing up in the 1970s: how it was Manifest Destiny, divined by God, that the British settlers/Amercian colonialists claimed this land and therefore it was only just that we for all intents and purposes wiped out the Indians who were here before us. Or how we were doing Chinese immigrants a favor by letting them come here in the 1800s and perform what amounted to slave labor in the construction of our railroads.

There are still more than a few people in this country who believe we were doing Africans a favor by abducting them, enslaving them and transporting them over here to perform agricultural labor. That this was doubtless preferable to the Africans than leaving them in Africa living their lives. Or how noble all our actions in World War II were - winning historical perspectives always being written by the victor - when we firebombed Tokyo to the ground prior to dropping the atomic bombs, surely a proportional response to what happened at Pearl Harbor, right? :headscratch: Or what we did in Korea. Or Vietnam. Or Chile. Or Greece. All in the name of exporting American greatness, usually in the form of McDonald's Big Macs, Levi's blue jeans, Coca Cola plants and nuclear weapon systems.

To be sure, NATO and the Marshall Plan were forces for good. Eventually, we got the language and laws of slavery right, but it didn't eradicate racism. It wasn't a bad thing to have expelled Saddam out of Kuwait. However, look how close we came to an apocalypse playing nuclear brinksmanship with the Soviet Union in 1962. So, don't feel any shame about your German lineage re: the atrocities undertaken by the Nazis. Shit, America has engaged in plenty of inhumane, atrocious undertakings of it's own, and to even say as much makes a sizable portion of our citizens say "if you don't unconditionally love our country without criticism, get the fuck out!" At least Germany learned from what happened. History has taught America nothing other than to double down on our indoctrinated belief of American Exceptionalism.

To me, America is predicated on the notion of economic (extending to social) Darwinism, otherwise known as Capitalism. Which is a fine belief system if you're already on top. However, when I was growing up, the poor were people toward whom one extended understanding, sympathy and assistance. Over the last 40 years, we've been conditioned to think of the poor as lazy losers and an inconvenience to be, at best, ignored. Even Democrats no longer talk about helping the poor with the frequency they once did. Now it's all about helping "the middle class"...and it's odd to me that so many religious values voters have such non-Christian attitudes toward the less fortunate. We are now a country where wry, ironic detachment from the plight of anyone other than our own selves, our own needs and our own material desires has become a virtue. One giant one stop strip mall from coast to coast. It's pretty depressing at times, even more so when apparently our country has among the highest living standards to be found in the industrialized world.

As far as consensus, how can we even say the country is anything on an ideological scale when only half the people who could vote do vote, and the half that do are split down the middle?

None of this started with Trump. However, the man IS a compulsive (possibly pathological, although honestly I don't think he even knows enough about 90% of the things he opines on to even realize he IS lying) liar. There's nothing subtle about his personality, persona or character. He's not like Nixon, who was always trying to mask certain personality traits to make himself more appealing. Donald Trump is totally, without apology or pretense, front and center as to who he is. It's my hope that there will be enough capable people around him (White House staff, elected Congressional representatives, military officials, federal judges, career intelligence agency people) to prevent him from doing something irrevocably catastrophic. I use the word "hope" because I'm not exactly seeing an abundance of those types of people at the moment.

I want to take pride in my country. It's where I was born and raised, and it's where I work and live. I'm less and less sure I want to spend the remainder of my life here, though. I'd like to take another look at what is beyond our borders. A longer look. I'll always self-identify as an American to a degree, but I also think human decency should transcend ethnicity, religious beliefs or nationality. Mostly because as a species, humans wherever they live should have more commonalities than differences.

[DavidLeeNatra]

This is by far the most intelligent and substantial post I've EVER read in any of the political "debates" here.

And yes, it helps to look over the horizon. To learn other languages, to visit other countries and get in touch with their people. It would be interesting to start a post and ask to see who has ever been abroad and experienced a different culture. Military Service doesn't count. When I read some of the comments here I highly doubt that their authors ever leave their state.

[Terry]

This is by far the most intelligent and substantial post I've EVER read in any of the political "debates" here.

And yes, it helps to look over the horizon. To learn other languages, to visit other countries and get in touch with their people. It would be interesting to start a post and ask to see who has ever been abroad and experienced a different culture. Military Service doesn't count. When I read some of the comments here I highly doubt that their authors ever leave their state.


You are too kind, sir.