Trump got climate change almost entirely wrong in his Paris speech

[Seshmeister]

By Carter Sherman and Arielle Duhaime-Ross on Jun 2, 2017


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Donald Trump pulled the United States out of the most comprehensive climate deal in the history of the planet on Thursday, taking with it the world’s best hope of limiting continued global warming.

In a speech in the White House Rose Garden, President Trump announced the United States would walk away from the landmark agreement, signed in late 2015 by 195 nations, calling it a bad deal that prioritized foreign countries’ success at the expense of American workers. Trump spent the majority of his 28-minute speech talking about economics, but when he did talk about the Paris agreement, he was almost entirely wrong. VICE News fact-checked some of his claims.


“Even if the Paris agreement were implemented in full with total compliance from all nations, it is estimated it would only reduce a 2/10 of one degree — think of that, this much Celsius reduction in global temperature by the year 2100… a tiny, tiny amount.”

Actually, the Paris climate agreement wasn’t going to reduce global temperatures at all. Its goal was always to cap the rise in global warming at 2 degrees Celsius — and even that goal meant coming to terms with a future where tidal areas disappear, climate refugees are a part of life, and food and water scarcity could lead to greater violence between peoples and countries. Paris was hardly optimistic. It was always the least pessimistic plan the world would sign on to.


“India will be able to double its coal production by 2020… Think of it… India can double their coal production — we’re supposed to get rid of ours.”

In fact, India has cancelled plans to build nearly 14 gigawatts of coal-fired power stations. Claims of China getting a “better deal” are just as baseless. But that’s not even the point. Part of the reason 194 other countries signed on to the Paris agreement is that it doesn’t actually require any of them to do anything specifically. They each got to pick their own path to reaching their commitments. So if the United States wanted to — for example, double coal output and quadruple solar — it could do that. It’d break the pledge, but there are no consequences for breaking it. Currently, China and India are on track to exceed their pledges. The entire agreement is a giant global pinky promise in which everybody tries to do the right thing for the planet.


“As the Wall Street Journal wrote this morning… the reality is that withdrawing is in America’s economic interest and won’t matter much to the climate.”

If the U.S. doesn’t drastically reduce its current carbon output, it’ll be responsible for an additional 0.3 degrees Celsius of global warming by 2100. And it’s not like other countries can simply pull more weight. According to a study in Nature Climate Change, any delay from the U.S. makes the overall target of limiting warming to 2 degrees unreachable.

The United States will “[end] the implementation of the nationally determined contribution and, very importantly, the Green Climate Fund, which is costing the United States a vast fortune.”

So far, the United States has given the Green Climate Fund, a fund meant to help developing countries fight climate change, $1 billion of its $3 billion pledge. While that would of course count as a “vast fortune” for any individual, it’s a drop in the bucket compared to the total U.S. government’s budget, which routinely totals in the trillions.


“Compliance with the terms of the Paris accord and the onerous energy restrictions it has placed on the United States could cost America as much as 2.7 million lost jobs by 2025, according to National Economic Research Associates…. The cost to the economy [by 2040] would be close to $3 trillion in lost GDP and 6.5 million industrial jobs, while households would have $7,000 less income, and in many cases, much worse than that.”

The National Economic Research Associates (NERA), a consulting firm, did indeed find these results in a March study, but critics say this firm and its reports are hardly unbiased.

Back in March, after Trump pledged to roll back the Clean Power Plan, White House officials cited another NERA report as a rationale for his decision. The report found the price of electricity could spike around the country thanks to the Clean Power Plan. But climate economists at the World Resources Institute found that because the plan “offers states considerable flexibility in how to achieve” emission reductions, firms like NERA can cherrypick more-expensive routes to enact those reductions, making the plan look more expensive. That result may be more desirable for NERA, since its study was reportedly paid for by a coal lobby group.

And while Trump repeatedly cited economic studies tallying the cost of staying in the Paris deal, others have examined its benefits. Moving to a “low-carbon, renewable energy-dominant energy system” could lead the global gross domestic product to increase by a total of $19 trillion by 2050, according to a March study by the International Energy Agency and the International Renewable Energy Agency.


“I cannot in good conscience support a deal that punishes the United States, which is what it does, the world’s leader in environmental protection, while imposing no meaningful obligations on the world’s leading polluters.”

The U.S. is one of those leading polluters, second in carbon dioxide emissions only to China, according to the Environmental Protection Agency.


“Under the agreement, China will be able to increase these emissions by a staggering number of years, 13. They can do whatever they want for 13 years. Not us.”

While technically it’s true that China has pledged to stop growing its carbon dioxide emissions by 2030, it is far from accurate to suggest that China could put off doing anything for 13 years and still achieve that goal. China must build an infrastructure of renewable sources of energy — like nuclear, wind, and solar power — that can generate about 800 to 1,000 gigawatts. That amount of power is “close to total current electricity-generation capacity in the United States,” according to an Obama White House press release.

Throughout his speech, Trump portrayed the Paris agreement as forcing the U.S. to act while other countries enjoyed free rein. But the agreement is nonbinding for all countries, so technically the U.S. government is also free to “do whatever they want.”


“At 1 percent growth, renewable sources of energy can meet some of our domestic demand. But at 3 or 4 percent growth, which I expect, we need all forms of available American energy.”

Trump has repeatedly promised to grow the economy at 3 or 4 percent, but that’s a highly optimistic prediction. In the first three months of 2017, the U.S. gross domestic product grew just 0.7 percent, and few economists believe it could grow much faster: Goldman Sachs economists think 1.75 percent growth is the likely “speed limit” for U.S. economic growth in the next few years. But even if the economy did grow as quickly as Trump predicts it will, similar exorbitant growth has tended to precede events like the Great Recession — so it might not be a good thing anyway.


“Our tax bill is moving along in Congress and I believe it’s doing very well. I think a lot of people will be very pleasantly surprised.”

Trump appears to have veered off-script here, but people sure will be surprised to hear “our tax bill” is moving through Congress — because no joint tax plan exists right now. So far, the Trump administration has released a budget proposal — a wish list of tax breaks, cuts to the social safety net, and higher military spending — but it remains just that, a wish list.

The Green Climate Fund “calls for developed countries to send $100 billion to developing countries all on top of America’s existing and massive foreign aid payments. So we’re going to be paying billions and billions and billions of dollars, and we’re already way ahead of anybody else. Many of the other countries haven’t spent anything. And many of them will never pay one dime.”

Again, the United States has promised to deliver the Green Climate Fund $3 billion, not $100 billion as Trump’s statement appears to suggest. And while a few countries that initially agreed to also give the fund have so far failed to do so, dozens more have followed through and given at least part of their pledged amount — in other words, more than “one dime.”

But at least one of Trump’s statements was inaccurate through no fault of the president, as it became misleading retroactively: While Trump repeatedly suggested the United States could “negotiate our way back into Paris under the terms that are fair to the United States,” leaders from France, Germany, and Italy shut down that idea hours later.

[Nickdfresh]

The Trump admin is like a monkey fucking a football with extra lube...

[jacksmar]

I think everyone got it wrong. It's global warming...

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[jacksmar]

No wait...

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http://image.patriotpost.us/2010-01-14-alexander-1974.jpg

[Seshmeister]

There are 4 reasons your posts are STUPID.

1) So fuck if Time magazine had got a story wrong.
2) Wishing or believing doesn't change scientific facts.
3) The difference between the scientific method and belief systems is that science changes in the face of evidence.
4) Your Time story is a photoshop. It never happened. Like your idiot president you have been fooled by the simplest bit of trickery because you want to be fooled.

Click on this link, feel a bit embarrassed and please learn a lesson. http://time.com/4778937/fake-time-cover-ice-age/

[jacksmar]

There are 4 reasons your posts are STUPID.

1) So fuck if Time magazine had got a story wrong.
2) Wishing or believing doesn't change scientific facts.
3) The difference between the scientific method and belief systems is that science changes in the face of evidence.
4) Your Time story is a photoshop. It never happened. Like your idiot president you have been fooled by the simplest bit of trickery because you want to be fooled.

Click on this link, feel a bit embarrassed and please learn a lesson. http://time.com/4778937/fake-time-cover-ice-age/

i'm not embarrassed, just wrong. you smart enough to know the difference?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vJz41fofy0k/VQXNF7Apd9I/AAAAAAAAC34/AljPAlRyu1U/s1600/time_covers.jpg

[jacksmar]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2011/11/23/climategate-2-0-new-e-mails-rock-the-global-warming-debate/#5da342727ba6

Climategate 2.0: New E-Mails Rock The Global Warming Debate

A new batch of 5,000 emails among scientists central to the assertion that humans are causing a global warming crisis were anonymously released to the public yesterday, igniting a new firestorm of controversy nearly two years to the day after similar emails ignited the Climategate scandal.

Three themes are emerging from the newly released emails: (1) prominent scientists central to the global warming debate are taking measures to conceal rather than disseminate underlying data and discussions; (2) these scientists view global warming as a political “cause” rather than a balanced scientific inquiry and (3) many of these scientists frankly admit to each other that much of the science is weak and dependent on deliberate manipulation of facts and data.

Regarding scientific transparency, a defining characteristic of science is the open sharing of scientific data, theories and procedures so that independent parties, and especially skeptics of a particular theory or hypothesis, can replicate and validate asserted experiments or observations. Emails between Climategate scientists, however, show a concerted effort to hide rather than disseminate underlying evidence and procedures.

[jacksmar]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VVXXpXaLXo4/TmntRWB1fiI/AAAAAAAAEPc/oFmimrDVHSY/s1600/obama+puppet+4.jpg

Climate change , global warming , ice age for the simple minded

[jacksmar]

https://www.volcanodiscovery.com/erupting_volcanoes.html

all the extra ice water could be put to good use.....

[jacksmar]

one solar flare.............

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http://montaukvacations.com/scienceifl/images/Earth-Compared-To-Sun-Size-1.png

[jacksmar]

"I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."

[jacksmar]

“a direct statistical link between anthropogenic climate change and trends in the magnitude/frequency of floods has not been established... There is such a furore of concern about the linkage between greenhouse forcing and floods that it causes
society to lose focus on the things we already know for certain about floods and how to mitigate and adapt to them. Blaming climate change for flood losses makes
flood losses a global issue that appears to be out of the control of regional or national institutions. The scientific community needs to emphasize that the
problem of flood losses is mostly about what we do on or to the landscape and that will be the case for decades to come.”

http://notrickszone.com/2017/01/09/smackdown-ams-paper-exposes-media-scientists-as-falsely-hyping-human-attribution-in-extreme-weather-events/

[FORD]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2011/11/23/climategate-2-0-new-e-mails-rock-the-global-warming-debate/#5da342727ba6

James Taylor?? Nope, not Carly Simon's ex husband. Just another fucking Koch whore....

https://www.desmogblog.com/james-taylor

[Seshmeister]

“a direct statistical link between anthropogenic climate change and trends in the magnitude/frequency of floods has not been established... There is such a furore of concern about the linkage between greenhouse forcing and floods that it causes
society to lose focus on the things we already know for certain about floods and how to mitigate and adapt to them. Blaming climate change for flood losses makes
flood losses a global issue that appears to be out of the control of regional or national institutions. The scientific community needs to emphasize that the
problem of flood losses is mostly about what we do on or to the landscape and that will be the case for decades to come.”

http://notrickszone.com/2017/01/09/smackdown-ams-paper-exposes-media-scientists-as-falsely-hyping-human-attribution-in-extreme-weather-events/


The website you are posting from are fakers as well.

http://davidappell.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/another-sleazy-photoshop-from-pierre.html

[FORD]

“a direct statistical link between anthropogenic climate change and trends in the magnitude/frequency of floods has not been established... There is such a furore of concern about the linkage between greenhouse forcing and floods that it causes
society to lose focus on the things we already know for certain about floods and how to mitigate and adapt to them. Blaming climate change for flood losses makes
flood losses a global issue that appears to be out of the control of regional or national institutions. The scientific community needs to emphasize that the
problem of flood losses is mostly about what we do on or to the landscape and that will be the case for decades to come.”

http://notrickszone.com/2017/01/09/smackdown-ams-paper-exposes-media-scientists-as-falsely-hyping-human-attribution-in-extreme-weather-events/

From this idiot's own website.....


I received an Associate Degree in Civil Engineering at Vermont Technical College and a Bachelor of Science in Mechanical Engineering at the University of Arizona in Tucson. I live in Europe and help my wife, the owner of a small business that provides communication services for business and industry.

This qualifies him to set up a digital phone system in the Koch Brothers spam factory boiler room, but how the FUCK does it qualify him to debate climate science?

[jacksmar]

you guys are really funny. the emails show they were liars and you bought it like a chia pet or a pet rock.

what good does a degree do for a liar?

the whole fucking thing is hokum. there are no vampires, walking dead, global warming, werewolves, and there is no van halen without David Lee Roth.

but it's fun watching you guys shoot the breeze...

[jacksmar]

http://www.iconicauctions.com/ItemImages/000039/39083b_lg.jpeg

Global Warming Consensus Hieroglyphics

[jacksmar]

The website you are posting from are fakers as well.

http://davidappell.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/another-sleazy-photoshop-from-pierre.html


Try using a couple of links on that page. you missed this one:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unKZhr3JMhA&p=D0A6BB60B3C9C62F

[jacksmar]

Trump really pissed in your covfefe....

[jacksmar]

http://nymag.com/selectall/2017/06/white-house-band-playing-pre-paris-announcement-is-titanic.html

A Band Played at the White House Before Trump’s Climate Announcement, and, Yes, It Was Just Like Titanic

On Thursday afternoon, Donald Trump announced his decision to withdraw the United States from the Paris climate agreement. (The Paris Agreement was formally signed and enacted last year and endeavors to limit global warming. Including the United States, 195 nations signed it.) While waiting for Trump to take the microphone, a military band warmed up the crowd with some jazz music. Because nothing says “we’re not worried about melting ice caps and a disintegrating ozone layer” like a few smooth jazz tunes. Immediately, people on Twitter began comparing the scene to another moment in history when a band played to a crowd awaiting — quite literally in this case — their doom: The string orchestra that famously played on the deck on the sinking Titanic.

[jacksmar]

http://news.mit.edu/2008/methane-tt1029

Levels of the greenhouse gas methane begin to increase again

New surge ends a decade of stability; cause still unknown

The amount of methane in Earth's atmosphere shot up in 2007, bringing to an end a period of about a decade in which atmospheric levels of the potent greenhouse gas were essentially stable, according to a team led by MIT researchers.

Methane levels in the atmosphere have more than tripled since pre-industrial times, accounting for around one-fifth of the human contribution to greenhouse gas-driven global warming. Until recently, the leveling off of methane levels had suggested that the rate of its emission from the Earth's surface was approximately balanced by the rate of its destruction in the atmosphere.

However, since early 2007 the balance has been upset, according to a paper on the new findings being published this week in Geophysical Review Letters. The paper's lead authors, postdoctoral researcher Matthew Rigby and Ronald Prinn, the TEPCO Professor of Atmospheric Chemistry in MIT's Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Science, say this imbalance has resulted in several million metric tons of additional methane in the atmosphere. Methane is produced by wetlands, rice paddies, cattle, and the gas and coal industries, and is destroyed by reaction with the hydroxyl free radical (OH), often referred to as the atmosphere's "cleanser."

One surprising feature of this recent growth is that it occurred almost simultaneously at all measurement locations across the globe. However, the majority of methane emissions are in the Northern Hemisphere, and it takes more than one year for gases to be mixed from the Northern Hemisphere to the Southern Hemisphere. Hence, theoretical analysis of the measurements shows that if an increase in emissions is solely responsible, these emissions must have risen by a similar amount in both hemispheres at the same time.

A rise in Northern Hemispheric emissions may be due to the very warm conditions that were observed over Siberia throughout 2007, potentially leading to increased bacterial emissions from wetland areas. However, a potential cause for an increase in Southern Hemispheric emissions is less clear.

An alternative explanation for the rise may lie, at least in part, with a drop in the concentrations of the methane-destroying OH. Theoretical studies show that if this has happened, the required global methane emissions rise would have been smaller, and more strongly biased to the Northern Hemisphere. At present, however, it is uncertain whether such a drop in hydroxyl free radical concentrations did occur because of the inherent uncertainty in the current method for estimating global OH levels.

To help pin down the cause of the methane increase, Prinn said, "the next step will be to study this using a very high-resolution atmospheric circulation model and additional measurements from other networks." But doing that could take another year, he said, and because the detection of increased methane has important consequences for global warming the team wanted to get these initial results out as quickly as possible.

"The key thing is to better determine the relative roles of increased methane emission versus an idecrease in the rate of removal," Prinn said. "Apparently we have a mix of the two, but we want to know how much of each" is responsible for the overall increase.

It is too early to tell whether this increase represents a return to sustained methane growth, or the beginning of a relatively short-lived anomaly, according to Rigby and Prinn. Given that, pound for pound, methane is 25 times more powerful as a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide, the situation will require careful monitoring in the near future.

In addition to Rigby and Prinn, the study was carried out by researchers at Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO), Georgia Institute of Technology, University of Bristol and Scripps Institution of Oceanography. These methane measurements come from the Advanced Global Atmospheric Gases Experiment (AGAGE) that is supported by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), and the Australian CSIRO network.

A version of this article appeared in MIT Tech Talk on October 29, 2008 (download PDF).

[jacksmar]

http://yaledailynews.com/blog/2016/03/01/climate-change-institute-shut-down/

Climate change institute shut down

After a University decision to cut all its funding, Yale’s Climate & Energy Institute will close by the end of June.

The loss of the institute, which for the last eight years has conducted research related to issues of climate change, leaves a hole in climate and energy studies at Yale. Although the Energy Studies academic program will continue within Yale College, students in the YCEI said they were outraged by the budget cuts and subsequent closure of an institute that is one of the only research-focused climate change programs for undergraduates on campus. The announcement came in a Monday afternoon email to the YCEI community from institute co-directors and geology and geophysics professors David Bercovici and Jay Ague, and follows years of cuts to the institute’s funding, according to students involved in the organization.

[FORD]

Here's where some of your increased methane is coming from....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJSClCUUGBs

...the rest is coming from the melting of the polar ice caps, as the methane had been trapped under the ice (cue the Metallica song) for fuck knows how many millennia, but when the ice melts, it's gotta go somewhere. And the only place for a gas to go is up into the atmosphere.

[Kristy]

Trump really pissed in your covfefe....

Hey, you F A T, flaky Florida fuck, you really are one gullible simpleton who prefers to let others do his thinking for you. Lies, cherry picking and exaggeration. Complete lack of science. Plain old bullshit. Gullible bigoted F A T fuck simpleton asscrack laps it all up uncritically.

[Kristy]

Try using a couple of links on that page. you missed this one

Why let a lying charlatan, someone with NO knowledge of science or of climate do your thinking for you? There is no certainty that we will have a GSM, none at all.

If we do have a GSM:

1. The extra 40+% CO2 in the atmosphere will limit any drop in temperature and there is also a lot of heat stored in the ocean

2. We may warm up as a result of the GSM as the sun may emit more IR but less UV.

Comments, your fracking Floridian F A T faggy fuck ?

[Seshmeister]

The fucking irony of someone from Florida of all places being a climate change denier

It's a real shame because that drive down to the Keys is something special I guess my kids will never be able to do that now.

Oh well...

http://www.seamagine.com/small-submarines-models.html

[jacksmar]

Hey, you F A T, flaky Florida fuck, you really are one gullible simpleton who prefers to let others do his thinking for you. Lies, cherry picking and exaggeration. Complete lack of science. Plain old bullshit. Gullible bigoted F A T fuck simpleton asscrack laps it all up uncritically.

right.. mmmmmiimiimiiimi........

How do you know your girlfriend is getting fat?
She fits into your wife's clothes.

[jacksmar]

The fucking irony of someone from Florida of all places being a climate change denier

It's a real shame because that drive down to the Keys is something special I guess my kids will never be able to do that now.

Oh well...

http://www.seamagine.com/small-submarines-models.html

http://naturalishistoria.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/florida-ice-age-today-future.jpg#Ancient%20Caribou%20Hunting%20Site%20Di scovered%20Under%20Lake%20Huron%20756x872

all those man made coal and car factories running during the ice age reduced the coast line...

bring your kids, and drive from miami if you like anytime in the next 100 years. there's a pride parade next week, drive back up to the cape and watch a Space X launch, and don't miss St Augustine; the oldest city in the US.

Daytona has car race in July too... fyi...

[jacksmar]

Here's where some of your increased methane is coming from....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJSClCUUGBs

...the rest is coming from the melting of the polar ice caps, as the methane had been trapped under the ice (cue the Metallica song) for fuck knows how many millennia, but when the ice melts, it's gotta go somewhere. And the only place for a gas to go is up into the atmosphere.

nice try...

i put up a pic of the earth and sun and your explanation is: man, it's somehow our fault.

that article says nothing about whether humans are responsible for climate change not not.

your energy would be better spent on the quality of our drinking water, local freshwater sources and watersheds, and the impact on forests by smog and pollutants. the warming/cooling cycles of the earth are way beyond your control...

[jacksmar]

Why let a lying charlatan, someone with NO knowledge of science or of climate do your thinking for you? There is no certainty that we will have a GSM, none at all.

If we do have a GSM:

1. The extra 40+% CO2 in the atmosphere will limit any drop in temperature and there is also a lot of heat stored in the ocean

2. We may warm up as a result of the GSM as the sun may emit more IR but less UV.

Comments, your fracking Floridian F A T faggy fuck ?

what's tweaking your tampon , kristy?

you're no expert on the subject on you would have noted that CO2 levels lag temperature increases. always.

these guys got it wrong.

https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2016-08/documents/federal_register-epa-hq-oar-2009-0171-dec.15-09.pdf

Last time I checked, CO2 made up something like .03 -.04% of our atmosphere.

The Paris deal is about the US paying $1 billion into the green fund. The Paris deal has nothing to do with climate. It's about economics, globalism, and the controlled redistribution of wealth. The left set this crap up years ago by using multinational financial interests and EPA policies.

It's about control.

Get a loving man to keep you thinking the way a woman should. Not some tattooed pony tailed bun wearing bearded confused effete male. The irony of a real relationship will help you think more clearly...

[Seshmeister]

Last time I checked, CO2 made up something like .03 -.04% of our atmosphere.


Like 0.03% of the Kool-Aid being cyanide never did anyone any harm...

[jacksmar]

Like 0.03% of the Kool-Aid being cyanide never did anyone any harm...

missed wrong decimal point.


Carbon dioxide (CO2) is an important trace gas in Earth's atmosphere. Currently it constitutes about 0.041% (equal to 410 parts per million; ppm) by volume of the atmosphere.[1][2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere

[Kristy]

what's tweaking your tampon , kristy?

you're no expert on the subject on you would have noted that CO2 levels lag temperature increases. always.


Oh, but you are by simply Googling some link that has zero to do with science, you stupid F A T fuck. Well, that showed me!

Hmmm...

Option 1. The world is cooling

Option 2. Global temperatures are stable

Option 3. Global temperatures are increasing but will cool, part of the regular cycle

Option 4. Global temperatures are increasing but not due to man

Option 5. Global temperatures are increasing but man only plays a small role

That covers, I guess, the spectrum of denial. 1 & 2 are just contrary to fact, 3 & 4 are just an opt out, as is 5.

I really don't care if stupid F A T fucks like you deny. Once you stupid F A T fucks start dying off due to Trumpcare, the less of you rubes will be around. So a win-win. Blaming “greenies” and pretending AGW isn’t real is just a way to avoid thinking and changing you do that quite well. Hurry, go featch some other bullshit link that took you 5 seconds to pull out of your ass to defend.

Meanwhile, AGW is still roaring along; sea ice extent declining, glaciers retreating, Greenland melting etc etc and all this at a time when the sun has been relatively quiescent. The disconnect from reality with F A Tfuck rubes like you is pretty much total. Cognitive dissonance indeed.

The rise of CO2 concentration is relentless.


http://assets.climatecentral.org/images/made/6_2_17_Brian_CO2NewRecord2017_720_492_s_c1_c_c.jpg

As to your stupid, ridiculous links:

Solar Variability is currently in a setting against heating; the sun has been quiescent for the last 50 years and yet the last 50 years is where much of the global heating has occurred.

Albedo change especially in the Arctic where light colored ice is replaced by dark ocean. Land use changes also provide some albedo change and more carbon dioxide.

There is no orbital change that could cause heating or cooling. Orbital changes of course are what cause major ice ages.

Do you even look at what you post, F A T T Y?


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAAbFMgWsAAetvX.jpg

[Kristy]

The Paris deal is about the US paying $1 billion into the green fund. The Paris deal has nothing to do with climate. It's about economics, globalism, and the controlled redistribution of wealth. The left set this crap up years ago by using multinational financial interests and EPA policies.

It's about control.


More of your pointless Googled shit from a right wing web site.

All President Bannon is doing is announcing that America is withdrawing from the leadership of the world. The demise of unilateral imposition is the retirement of the USA being a superpower. Trump wants to instill isolationism as a symbolic precursor of military and diplomatic withdrawal, combined with a smug selfishness that has been the operative foreign policy of US power, previously disguised as being altruistic. The only advantage I can see of America having a disgusting racist turd like Trump as president is the revulsion of the world's people greatly weakens US imperialism and reaction. The withdrawal from the Paris agreement is symbolic, since there was never any enforcement mechanism attached other than what the deluded bourgeois American pseudo left (like shit-fer-brains slaves FORD and SESH) said it should be. Complaints of American imperialism are justified and America is about to rot in ways it has never seen before. What Trump fails to realizes is the American imperialism loses more than it gains especially in numbers of human life and we owe it all to fucktard F A T rubes like yourself

[FORD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuBFxgL6Qto

[FORD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez0NBslWEdA

[FORD]

This guy probably voted for Cheeto......

https://s21.postimg.org/w08eduw8n/lawn.jpg

"Tornado? What tornado? Ah, that's just some made up Chinese conspiracy bullshit spread by the Librul media"

[jacksmar]

Oh, but you are by simply Googling some link that has zero to do with science, you stupid F A T fuck. Well, that showed me!

Hmmm...

Option 1. The world is cooling

Option 2. Global temperatures are stable

Option 3. Global temperatures are increasing but will cool, part of the regular cycle

Option 4. Global temperatures are increasing but not due to man

Option 5. Global temperatures are increasing but man only plays a small role

That covers, I guess, the spectrum of denial. 1 & 2 are just contrary to fact, 3 & 4 are just an opt out, as is 5.

I really don't care if stupid F A T fucks like you deny. Once you stupid F A T fucks start dying off due to Trumpcare, the less of you rubes will be around. So a win-win. Blaming “greenies” and pretending AGW isn’t real is just a way to avoid thinking and changing you do that quite well. Hurry, go featch some other bullshit link that took you 5 seconds to pull out of your ass to defend.

Meanwhile, AGW is still roaring along; sea ice extent declining, glaciers retreating, Greenland melting etc etc and all this at a time when the sun has been relatively quiescent. The disconnect from reality with F A Tfuck rubes like you is pretty much total. Cognitive dissonance indeed.

The rise of CO2 concentration is relentless.


http://assets.climatecentral.org/images/made/6_2_17_Brian_CO2NewRecord2017_720_492_s_c1_c_c.jpg

As to your stupid, ridiculous links:

Solar Variability is currently in a setting against heating; the sun has been quiescent for the last 50 years and yet the last 50 years is where much of the global heating has occurred.

Albedo change especially in the Arctic where light colored ice is replaced by dark ocean. Land use changes also provide some albedo change and more carbon dioxide.

There is no orbital change that could cause heating or cooling. Orbital changes of course are what cause major ice ages.

Do you even look at what you post, F A T T Y?


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAAbFMgWsAAetvX.jpg


sorry you're so wary of men. you should finish the plates in the sink and put on some blue eye shadow and see how the other half lives.

speaking of plates, do those earth plates move when they want to or do they wait on the epa to make a ruling? or paris? that does affect temps and water levels and CO2 and such? how about those radiation bands outside of the atmosphere? could give a girl the vapors.

anyway, call before you dig and hurry up on the pot pies...

[jacksmar]

The fucking irony of someone from Florida of all places being a climate change denier

It's a real shame because that drive down to the Keys is something special I guess my kids will never be able to do that now.

Oh well...

http://www.seamagine.com/small-submarines-models.html

btw, i was in Indy recently for a race. i didn't see one sea shell. except on the usual suspects desks wishing they could live on the beach...

[Kristy]

This guy probably voted for Cheeto......

https://s21.postimg.org/w08eduw8n/lawn.jpg

"Tornado? What tornado? Ah, that's just some made up Chinese conspiracy bullshit spread by the Librul media"

That's a pussy tornado. Here we do tornadoes (like weed) right.

https://youtu.be/bjb7QtMEBUg

[Kristy]

sorry you're so wary of men. you should finish the plates in the sink and put on some blue eye shadow and see how the other half lives.

speaking of plates, do those earth plates move when they want to or do they wait on the epa to make a ruling? or paris? that does affect temps and water levels and CO2 and such? how about those radiation bands outside of the atmosphere? could give a girl the vapors.

anyway, call before you dig and hurry up on the pot pies...

Why do you deny AGW, you F A T fucktard?

[Kristy]

...and I cannot wait for climate change to take full effect so places like Manhattan, Washington, D.C., and even that shithole Seattle get minimum F3 tornadoes like this in their neighborhoods. Imagine that motherfucker or worse knocking on Wall Street or the Capitol building. It's only a matter of time.

[FORD]

I suppose it would be poetic justice if it took down Trump Tower.

[Kristy]

Oh, that was predictable and ghey

[Nickdfresh]

...and I cannot wait for climate change to take full effect so places like Manhattan, Washington, D.C., and even that shithole Seattle get minimum F3 tornadoes like this in their neighborhoods. Imagine that motherfucker or worse knocking on Wall Street or the Capitol building. It's only a matter of time.

Me neither, we might be a rain forest!


It's funny how some of the dickhole climate change deniers are from states like Florida, waiting to drown...

[jacksmar]

Why do you deny AGW, you F A T fucktard?

is CO2 the only warming agent?

agw is a spurious trick. remember that word? it was used on spanish fly porn ads.

did some guy put some spanish fly in your mr pibb years back?

[Nickdfresh]

Oh look! Jackstards is a climate scientist now!
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/517/111/fbd.jpg

[Kristy]

is CO2 the only warming agent?

agw is a spurious trick. remember that word? it was used on spanish fly porn ads.

did some guy put some spanish fly in your mr pibb years back?

Let me known when you quit talking like one of your fake science right-wing news sites you Google off from.

[Seshmeister]

https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/18768550_1350080268412648_9211276348782216482_o.jp g?oh=46e060c65cabcfabedda23c741e2ffd8&oe=59ABFA88

[FORD]

http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoons/SorenJ/2017/SorenJ20170606_low.jpg

[jacksmar]

0.3% temp change 1880-2013

despite acid rain, the next ice age, global warming, climate change, fossil fuels, deforestation, green house effect, el nino, carbon footprints, hole in the ozone layer or any other horseshit weather label or horseshit science proclamation.

that pretty much settles it...


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https://cmgpbpeyeonthestorm.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/capture39.jpg

[jacksmar]

https://chemtrailsplanet.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/al-gore-global-warming-blizzard.gif
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CIO Global Warming Cult

[jacksmar]

http://video.newsserve.net/700/v/20151206/519307258-Conference-on-Global-Warming-in-Paris.jpg

You really can't believe a scientist or a politician. But when an actor feels warmer...

[jacksmar]

Google Science----


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdTlXuTwvEQ

[FORD]

A General Electric millionaire shilling for Energy industry billionaires. Yeah, that's convincing......

[jacksmar]

A General Electric millionaire shilling for Energy industry billionaires. Yeah, that's convincing......

and a trillion dollar industry built on shit science. berned and gored.

do yourself a favor little man, watch the whole video. i always watch what you post. on purpose.

i don't care if you're convinced. i really don't...

[Kristy]

It is clear the F A T fucktard does not understand his own video in climate change. Were you a cheap lawyer or cheap politician at some stage? Why not just read denier sites written by other F A T fucktards?

It's actually too late to fix the problem. The Arctic and Antarctic are experiencing faster temperature rise than the rest of the world. The situation is past the tipping point where it accelerates. Even if all manmade greenhouse gas emissions including the ones from your shitty Indy cars were stopped now, the temperature rise would continue for some decades before it could be arrested. CO2 and Methane release is a positive feedback function whereby as the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere causes temperature rise which accelerates the release of greenhouse gases from soils and frozen regions.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XsvIVx_IfK4/V8fIpWT9DsI/AAAAAAAAKQg/5cftFgNxuGo6nSQqGUy7hoL1sjnxYqpqACLcB/s640/methane%2Bhydrate%2Bstructure.png

Meanwhile, as of May 20th, the melting on Greenland continues, well above average.

http://i1263.photobucket.com/albums/ii636/maxine124/greenland_melt_nomelt_20May17_zps2kzgtc7k.png

[Seshmeister]

despite acid rain, the next ice age, global warming, climate change, fossil fuels, deforestation, green house effect, el nino, carbon footprints, hole in the ozone layer or any other horseshit weather label or horseshit science proclamation.

that pretty much settles it...


Hole in the ozone layer denial? Is that a thing now as well?

After the flat earth moronic shit nothing surprises me now about the stupidity of some people on the internet in their bubbles of idiocy.

[Kristy]

To see how AGW will affect temperature and precipitation where you live you can download the NASA dataset. Look here:

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-releases-detailed-global-climate-change-projections

[Nickdfresh]

and a trillion dollar industry built on shit science. berned and gored.

do yourself a favor little man, watch the whole video. i always watch what you post. on purpose.

i don't care if you're convinced. i really don't...

You fucking retard. What "trillion dollar industry" is that?

[FORD]

https://www.sandersinstitute.com/imo/media/image/Climate%20Change%20101%20v3.jpg

[jacksmar]

[QUOTE=FORD;1927345][img]https://sandersinstituteQUOTE]

sanders institute? is that a real....uh......thing?

so if we kill off an abundance of worthless people, reverse all technology, all medicine, all communication, reverse water intervention and food production, reverse travel and lodgings, reverse all dams, reverse solar, reverse oil, reverse nuclear,.... how long would it take to normalize to pre 1850 levels?

that's your charts solution.... i can't wait for this response....

[jacksmar]

You fucking retard. What "trillion dollar industry" is that?

prof dherp, start with the fuckin' green job bankruptcies. it's a cock sucker democratic "cottage" industry.....

[jacksmar]

Hole in the ozone layer denial? Is that a thing now as well?

After the flat earth moronic shit nothing surprises me now about the stupidity of some people on the internet in their bubbles of idiocy.

flat earth. is that in Dalkeith?

supporters of big oil like myself know that the world is round. otherwise the drill bit would got right through...

[Nickdfresh]

prof dherp, start with the fuckin' green job bankruptcies. it's a cock sucker democratic "cottage" industry.....

Sorry, we wouldn't want to cut into your cock sucking territory...

[jacksmar]

To see how AGW will affect temperature and precipitation where you live you can download the NASA dataset. Look here:

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-releases-detailed-global-climate-change-projections

kristy, i trust that nasa has made these projections in good faith. i'm a little miffed why a nasa director stated that nasa should be a muslim outreach program...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCn10YWsY1Q

[Nickdfresh]

flat earth. is that in Dalkeith?

supporters of big oil like myself know that the world is round. otherwise the drill bit would got right through...

Sec. of State Rex Tillerson is as big oil as they get, Potsy, and he didn't want Drumpf to pull us out of the Paris Agreement...

[Nickdfresh]

kristy, i trust that nasa has made these projections in good faith. i'm a little miffed why a nasa director stated that nasa should be a muslim outreach program...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCn10YWsY1Q

Do you have some non-sequitur random right wing douchebag disease thing, or is it just alcoholism?

[jacksmar]

Sorry, we wouldn't want to cut into your cock sucking territory...

no apology needed. we can assign you a territory just like the other salesmen you bow to and vote for. again, a list can be provided...

[jacksmar]

Do you have some non-sequitur random right wing douchebag disease thing, or is it just alcoholism?

no prof, kristy believes fully when her head hits the pillow at night that at some point in the future AGW will cause an issue that cannot be reversed or repaired.

now i have full respect for her position and believe along those same lines as most people do. but, i'm not duped by gore or ubama or the lying scientists.

at some point the name calling and sarcasm stops and and a solution is required. not the bullshit tax and spent crap and tax and spend and tax and spend cycle that accomplishes nothing. tax and spend makes governments wealthy.

so? solution?

[Nickdfresh]

no apology needed. we can assign you a territory just like the other salesmen you bow to and vote for. again, a list can be provided...

Okay, you can suck all the cocks in Florida then...

[Nickdfresh]

no prof, kristy believes fully when her head hits the pillow at night that at some point in the future AGW will cause an issue that cannot be reversed or repaired.

now i have full respect for her position and believe along those same lines as most people do. but, i'm not duped by gore or ubama or the lying scientists.

at some point the name calling and sarcasm stops and and a solution is required. not the bullshit tax and spent crap and tax and spend and tax and spend cycle that accomplishes nothing. tax and spend makes governments wealthy.

so? solution?

I guess we'll just let the oil and gas industry drown Florida...

Here's a fun game for you!:
http://geology.com/sea-level-rise/florida.shtml

[jacksmar]

Sec. of State Rex Tillerson is as big oil as they get, Potsy, and he didn't want Drumpf to pull us out of the Paris Agreement...

you just answered your own question larry. and tell your brother daryl and your other brother daryl Tillerson is a genuine oil man. He knows how to work with the worst third world shithole governments and get drill bits in the ground, oil rigs setup and pumping, and infrastructure to get the crude to the refinery and to the US.

last i checked, tillerson isn't the prez. hillary the democratic saw to that.

tillerson would have made a better prez, pence, even carly. she's done business abroad and knows the ropes.

the paris agreement is about control and this prez isn't going along to get along. he wants a fair deal. and that's what's messing with people.

i'll just bet you tried to get the best deal you could for the purchase of your home..

[Nickdfresh]

Well you're a typically uniformed moron, because the Paris Agreement is completely nonbinding and there are no restrictions or "control"...

[jacksmar]

Okay, you can suck all the cocks in Florida then...

what, you think you have tenure on me? i've been in the business since dustin hoffman played willy loman. i choose my territories...

i choose ibiza...

[jacksmar]

Well you're a typically uniformed moron, because the Paris Agreement is completely nonbinding and there are no restrictions or "control"...

it requires the US to cut production in the manufacturing industries. paper, concrete, steel, coal. it transfers those commodities to other countries to produce and then the taxpayer re-buys from other third world shitholes that will produce the goods.

[Kristy]

no prof, kristy believes fully when her head hits the pillow at night that at some point in the future AGW will cause an issue that cannot be reversed or repaired.

Please enlighten me on how it can, F A T fucktard. Clean coal?
https://www.climate-policy-watcher.org/global-temperatures/images/3360_45_44.jpg


now i have full respect for her position and believe along those same lines as most people do. but, i'm not duped by gore or ubama or the lying scientists.

at some point the name calling and sarcasm stops and and a solution is required. not the bullshit tax and spent crap and tax and spend and tax and spend cycle that accomplishes nothing. tax and spend makes governments wealthy.

so? solution?

It's not a partisan/political issue. We are all in the same boat. The Arctic is warmer than it should be; the sea ice is melting, the Antarctic is still gaining mass but less and less each year. Estimations show that in less than 3 decades the Antarctic will be contributing to sea level rises not reducing them as at present. You can’t defend the stupid videos you post here. They are flat-out pseudoscience. 100% pseudoscience.

[jacksmar]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3umZdJXAAAe1K_.jpg

my advice to you little tits: invest in coal futures...

[jacksmar]

http://www.inquisitr.com/4268114/arctic-methane-explosion-still-leaks-out-gas-after-12000-years/

At this point, it still has to be determined whether the fantastic gas release caused by the explosion 12,000 years ago could have resulted in the gas reaching the atmosphere, or whether there is a chance that these events could happen in the near future. But as the Washington Post wrote, citing a separate paper authored by Natural Resources Canada climate scientist Stephen Grasby, a future Arctic methane explosion of similar magnitude could result in a massive uptick in global warming, as well as a “climate feedback loop,” or a vicious cycle of sorts where even more methane is spewed out into the atmosphere.

[Seshmeister]

Apparently there is also a big methane leak coming out of Tampa too... :)

[Nickdfresh]

what, you think you have tenure on me? i've been in the business since dustin hoffman played willy loman. i choose my territories...

i choose ibiza...

You must be a BP executive... :)

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/416/602/3e3.jpg

[Nickdfresh]

it requires the US to cut production in the manufacturing industries. paper, concrete, steel, coal. it transfers those commodities to other countries to produce and then the taxpayer re-buys from other third world shitholes that will produce the goods.

No, dolt, it DOESN'T REQUIRE anything! There are no mechanisms of enforcement other than "shaming", and you have none so you're fine. It's nonbinding and not a treaty...

[Nickdfresh]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3umZdJXAAAe1K_.jpg

my advice to you little tits: invest in coal futures...

It's that what your man-tits is doing?