Cheeto's Reverse Robin Hood "Tax plan" : Even Worse Than You Thought.

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  • FORD
    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

    • Jan 2004
    • 58754

    Cheeto's Reverse Robin Hood "Tax plan" : Even Worse Than You Thought.



    washingtonpost.com
    Senate GOP tax bill hurts the poor more than originally thought, CBO finds
    By Heather Long
    11-26-17



    The Senate Republican tax plan gives substantial tax cuts and benefits to Americans earning more than $100,000 a year, while the nation’s poorest would be worse off, according to a report released Sunday by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.

    Republicans are aiming to have the full Senate vote on the tax plan as early as this week, but the new CBO analysis showing large, harmful effects on the poor may complicate those plans. The CBO also said the bill would add $1.4 trillion to the deficit over the next decade, a potential problem for Republican lawmakers worried about America’s growing debt.

    Democrats have repeatedly slammed the bill as a giveaway to the rich at the expense of the poor. In addition to lowering taxes for businesses and many individuals, the Senate bill also makes a major change to health insurance that the CBO projects would have a harsh impact on lower-income families.

    By 2019, Americans earning less than $30,000 a year would be worse off under the Senate bill, CBO found. By 2021, Americans earning $40,000 or less would be net losers, and by 2027, most people earning less than $75,000 a year would be worse off. On the flip side, millionaires and those earning $100,000 to $500,000 would be big beneficiaries, according to the CBO’s calculations. (In the CBO table below, negative signs mean people in those income brackets pay less in taxes).


    Source: Congressional Budget Office report on Nov. 26, 2017.


    The main reason the poor get hit so hard in the Senate GOP bill is because the poor would receive less government aid for health care.

    The Senate Republican tax bill eliminates the requirement that almost all Americans purchase health insurance or else pay a penalty. The CBO has calculated that health insurance premiums would rise if this bill becomes law, leading 4 million Americans to lose health insurance by 2019 and 13 million to lose insurance by 2027.

    Many of the people who are likely to drop health insurance have low or moderate incomes. If they drop health insurance, they will no longer receive some tax credits and subsidies from the government. The Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT), the other official nonpartisan group that analyzes tax bills, put out a similar report showing how lower-income families are hurt by the loss of the health-care tax credits. But the CBO goes a step further than the JCT. The CBO also calculates what would happen to Medicaid, Medicare and the Basic Health Program if the Senate GOP plan became law. The CBO is showing even worse impacts on poor families than the JCT did.

    Republicans, including Senate Finance Committee Chairman Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah), have argued that their bill helps Americans across the income spectrum. They say the JCT and CBO analyses are misleading because buying health insurance is a choice. If an individual or family no longer wants to do it, then that is their decision. They also argue that lower-income families are not losing any money in their wallets.

    The CBO and JCT analyses make it seem as if a family is actually getting money taken away from them, but in reality, most of these families making under $30,000 don’t pay any income tax. The credits and subsidies they received to help them buy health insurance were typically sent directly from the government to the insurance company. So these families are unlikely to see any changes to their tax bills.

    But Democrats and advocates for the poor say these lower-income Americans are going to be worse off if they no longer have health insurance.

    Senate Republicans asked the JCT to calculate what happens to families across the income spectrum if only the tax impacts of the Senate bill are taken into account (so assuming zero impacts from the individual mandate repeal). The JCT sent the table below to Senate Republicans. It shows that all income groups — including people earning less than $30,000 — receive a tax cut.

    But that changes in 2027 because the Senate GOP bill currently allows the individual tax cuts to expire in 2026. In 2027, people earning less than $75,000 would end up paying more, according to the JCT. Republicans say Congress will likely extend those cuts, but that counts on future lawmakers taking action.


    Source: JCT report for Senate Republicans showing the distributional effects of the Senate GOP tax plan without any changes to health care.


    Heather Long is an economics correspondent. Prior to joining Wonkblog, she was a senior economics reporter at CNN and a columnist and deputy editor at The Patriot-News in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.
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  • Terry
    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
    • Jan 2004
    • 11953

    #2
    I particularly like how the impact of the tax cuts on the lower classes (a not insubstantial part of Trump's base) won't really be felt until 2020 or beyond, after Trump has theoretically won a 2nd term.

    Because it is obvious Trump doesn't give a shit about any of it beyond his own presidency: assuming he actually wins a 2nd term, he could care less who runs/wins after him. Assuming he doesn't run for a 2nd term or runs for a 2nd term and loses, he STILL won't care what happens after he's gone.

    Because whatever happens won't be his fault anyway: that's the mindset.
    Scramby eggs and bacon.

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    • Kristy
      DIAMOND STATUS
      • Aug 2004
      • 16336

      #3
      More awesome news! The Rethuglicons will die in 2020. Plus there is nothing in this plan that isn't reversible; the Rethuglicons want to fuck over as much of the poor as quickly as they can before they turn lobbyist.

      Now, aren't you glad these fucking bigoted Bernie brats put Trump in power?

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      • FORD
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        • Jan 2004
        • 58754

        #4
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        • FORD
          ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

          • Jan 2004
          • 58754

          #5
          Friends of Bernie Sanders

          Ford -

          For the past 40 years, the financial and political elite of this country have rigged the tax code to redistribute wealth and income to some of the richest and most powerful people in this country. The result: we are moving rapidly toward an oligarchic form of society in which the top 1 percent is doing phenomenally well, the middle class continues to decline and 40 million Americans are living in poverty.

          And it will probably not surprise you to learn that just as our tax code benefits the wealthiest people in this country, it also benefits some of the largest and most profitable corporations in the world with a myriad of tax breaks, deductions, credits and other loopholes. As a result, one out of five large profitable corporations today pays nothing in federal taxes.

          The current Republican “tax cut” bill, paid for by the Koch brothers and other billionaire campaign contributors, continues the push to make the rich richer at the expense of everyone else. It would raise taxes on middle class families making $75,000 a year or less and would throw 13 million Americans off of health insurance. And it would do all of these things to provide permanent tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans and profitable corporations that ship American jobs to China while moving their American profits to the Cayman Islands.

          But let's be clear. This legislation goes well beyond taxes. Its ultimate goal is to radically transform American society and the role that government plays in the lives of the working families of our country. This legislation will increase the deficit by at least $1.5 trillion over ten years. Mark my words. If passed, the Republicans will then rediscover the "deficit crisis," and push aggressively for massive cuts in Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, education – higher education in particular – nutrition, affordable housing and more. They will seek to undo every major piece of legislation passed in the last 80 years designed to help working families, the elderly, the children, the sick and the poor.

          This is the Republican plan. Huge tax breaks for the rich and powerful. Massive cuts to life and death programs for the middle class and working families of our country.

          This is not moral. This is not what the American people want. This is not what our country and our pledge for "liberty and justice for all" is supposed to be about.

          That is why I am going on the road this week to talk directly to working people in Kentucky, Ohio, and Pennsylvania about this disastrous piece of legislation. If we stand together – black, white, Latino, Asian American, Native American, male and female, young and old, gay and straight – we can defeat this horrific bill. But I need you to make your voice heard as well. We need to stand together.

          Please sign my petition calling on Congress to REJECT the Republican “tax cut” plan that would take from the working families in this country to give a massive tax break to people and corporations who already are doing extremely well. At a time of grotesque levels of income and wealth inequality, we must not make a bad situation even worse.

          Today in America, more than 40 million Americans, including 20 percent of all children, live in poverty. Many in extreme poverty. Almost 28 million Americans have no health insurance. Millions of bright kids can’t afford to go to college without facing a lifetime of debt. Seniors and disabled veterans are struggling to stay alive on inadequate Social Security checks.

          Despite all of that pain, the greed of the billionaire class in this country knows no limits. No. We will not allow them to take away from those in need in order to give a trillion dollars in tax breaks to the very rich.

          Here’s a radical idea for my colleagues in the Republican Party: instead of just listening to the rich and powerful few in this country, maybe just maybe Congress should listen to the majority of the American people who want a fair tax system.

          Maybe just maybe corporate tax reform should start by preventing profitable companies from sheltering profits in tax haven countries like the Cayman Islands.

          Here is something you may not know:

          A 2008 Government Accountability Office report found that 83 of the Fortune 100 companies use at least one offshore tax scheme to lower their taxes. A 2016 study found that one of every five large, profitable corporations paid no federal income taxes at all in 2012.

          The practice of stashing profits in places like the Cayman Islands has become so absurd that one single, five-story office building there is now the official legal “home” to more than 18,000 corporations! Our tax code has essentially legalized tax dodging for large corporations.

          We must stop this bill. We must stop the Republicans from moving this country into an oligarchy.

          And that starts with all of us standing up, fighting back and making our voices heard. Three weeks ago progressives from coast to coast ran for office at the local and state level – and they won. We have to continue that progress and build on that momentum.

          Please sign my petition calling on Congress to REJECT the Republican “tax cut” plan that would take from working families in this country all to give a massive tax break to people and corporations who already have it all.

          Brothers and sisters. We must do exactly the opposite of what Trump is attempting to do. He wants to divide us up by the color of our skin, our gender, our religion, our sexual orientation or our country of origin. He wants us fighting with each other while Wall Street and the billionaire class laugh all the way to the bank.

          Our job is to bring our people together around an agenda that creates an economy and government that works for all, not just the 1 percent. Defeating this terrible piece of legislation will be an important step forward.

          This bill is a moral abomination. I hope you’ll add your name if you agree.

          In solidarity,

          Bernie Sanders
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          • FORD
            ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

            • Jan 2004
            • 58754

            #6
            Sanders Institute

            Ford,

            “Don’t fall for supply-side, trickle-down nonsense. Lower taxes on the rich don’t generate growth and jobs. They only make the rich even richer, at a time of raging inequality, and they cause bigger budget deficits.” – Robert Reich, Sanders Institute Founding Fellow

            Congress is now considering a proposed GOP tax plan and is expected to vote on it in the coming weeks. Who benefits? Who doesn’t? We all need to understand the impact of the proposed bill and let our voices be heard before the vote takes place. We at the Sanders Institute have compiled some information from our fellows and other resources to give you some answers:

            Why The Republican Tax Plan Is More Failed Trickle-Down Economics

            This article from Robert Reich succinctly explains why Trickle-Down Economics just does not work. He gives clear, historical examples of when trickle-down economics has been implemented and failed and when the opposite, tax increases on the wealthy, have worked.

            CBO Projects the Impact of GOP Tax Plan

            The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office released this report on Sunday. It clearly shows that the federal government would be raising taxes on those making less and generously benefiting those making more. For instance, Americans making less than $30,000 in 2019 will pay $2,580,000,000 more in taxes - while those making over $200,000 will pay $118,550,000,000 less in taxes in 2019.




            The GOP Wants To Eliminate The Estate Tax

            This article outlines a bold new idea when talking about the Estate Tax, a tax that the GOP plan would repeal. It argues that the growing inequality in the United States has negatively affected Social Security and suggests that we keep the Estate Tax to reduce that inequality and make Social Security more sustainable.

            There is a lot at stake in this far-reaching legislation. Educate yourselves, take a stand, and let your voices be heard.

            Thank you for staying engaged,

            David Driscoll
            Executive Director
            The Sanders Institute
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            • FORD
              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

              • Jan 2004
              • 58754

              #7
              Why The Republican Tax Plan Is More Failed Trickle-Down Economics

              by Prof. Robert Reich

              October 2017

              Trump and conservatives in Congress are planning a big tax cut for millionaires and billionaires. To justify it they’re using the oldest song in their playbook, claiming tax cuts on the rich will trickle down to working families in the form of stronger economic growth.

              Baloney. Trickle-down economics is a cruel joke. Just look at the evidence:

              1. Clinton’s tax increase on the rich hardly stalled the economy. In 1993, Bill Clinton raised taxes on top earners from 31 percent to 39.6 percent. Conservatives predicted economic disaster. Instead, the economy created 23 million jobs and the economy grew for 8 straight years in what was then the longest expansion in history. The federal budget went into surplus.

              2. George W. Bush’s big tax cuts for the rich didn’t grow the economy. In 2001and 2003, George W. Bush lowered the top tax rate to 35 percent while also cutting top rates on capital gains and dividends. Conservative supply-siders predicted an economic boom. Instead, the economy barely grew at all, and then in 2008 it collapsed. Meanwhile, the federal deficit ballooned.

              3. Obama’s tax hike on the rich didn’t slow the economy. At the end of 2012, President Obama struck a deal to restore the 39.6 percent top tax rate and raise tax rates on capital gains and dividends. Once again, supply-side conservatives predicted doom. Instead, the economy grew steadily, and the expansion is still continuing.

              4. The Reagan recovery of the early 1980s wasn’t driven by Reagan’s tax cut. Conservative supply-siders point to Ronald Reagan’s 1981 tax cuts. But the so-called Reagan recovery of the early 1980s was driven by low interest rates and big increase in government spending.

              5. Kansas cut taxes on the rich and is a basket case. California raised them and is thriving. In 2012, Kansas slashed taxes on top earners and business owners, while California raised taxes on top earners to the highest state rate in the nation. Since then, California has had among the strongest economic growth of any state, while Kansas has fallen behind most other states.

              So don’t fall for supply-side, trickle-down nonsense. Lower taxes on the rich don’t generate growth and jobs. They only make the rich even richer, at a time of raging inequality, and they cause bigger budget deficits.
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              • Nitro Express
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Aug 2004
                • 32797

                #8
                Whatever. Both Sanders and Reich live pretty good. They certainly aren't lower class. Both probably got a taste of the K Street gig. How much did Sanders get from the Clinton Foundation to throw the fight?
                No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                • FORD
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                  • Jan 2004
                  • 58754

                  #9
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                  • FORD
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                    • Jan 2004
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                    #10
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                    • Kristy
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                      • Aug 2004
                      • 16336

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Nitro Express
                      Whatever. Both Sanders and Reich live pretty good. They certainly aren't lower class. Both probably got a taste of the K Street gig. How much did Sanders get from the Clinton Foundation to throw the fight?
                      Thanks to Trump's Tax "reform" disphits like yourself are about to be a low(er) class than you already are. Enjoy.

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                      • Seshmeister
                        ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                        • Oct 2003
                        • 35158

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Nitro Express
                        Whatever. Both Sanders and Reich live pretty good. They certainly aren't lower class. Both probably got a taste of the K Street gig. How much did Sanders get from the Clinton Foundation to throw the fight?
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                        • Seshmeister
                          ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                          • Oct 2003
                          • 35158

                          #13
                          I think you probably have some money so you supporting this stuff is understandable, you are a bit of a selfish cunt and you are gambling on things not getting so out of hand the scum rise up and kill you.

                          I get that.

                          The extra trillion debt, it's such a big number it's kind of meaningless.

                          The thing that I can't not get pissed off about because it happens here just as much is the idiot poor people who vote to hand it over.

                          It doesn't directly affect me but even just watching it from the sidelines still upsets me a bit. You will have built up some intellectual armor to protect yourself from the cuntery involved but we all know that's just BS. At least have the guts to admit you are screwing them.

                          We'll all be dead soon enough so fuck it but still....

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                          • Nickdfresh
                            SUPER MODERATOR

                            • Oct 2004
                            • 49125

                            #14
                            Fucking over the middle classes isn't even good for the wealthy...

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                            • Terry
                              TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 11953

                              #15
                              It'd actually be refreshing if those in the Congress voting for this tax restructuring just flat-out said they were redistributing wealth upward, and people just have to fend for themselves.

                              It's the reality of capitalism by and large anyway. Why not have the testicular fortitude to call it what it is and tell it like it is?

                              Pussies like Mulvaney hiding behind bogus statistics and projections: no balls and no guts. Just like Ryan, McConnell and the rest.

                              Whatever one thinks of Sanders, at least he has the stones to lay it all out on the table.
                              Scramby eggs and bacon.

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