Here come the summer "package" tours...Def Leppard and Journey

[twonabomber]

And not at the typical summer sheds, Def Leppard and Journey are hitting arenas and baseball parks:

5/21 - Hartford, CT @ XL Center
5/23 - Albany, NY @ Times Union Center
5/25 - Hershey, PA @ Hershey Park Stadium
5/26 - Buffalo, NY @ Key Bank Center
5/28 - Cleveland, OH @ Quicken Loans Arena
5/30 - Cincinnati, OH @ US Bank Arena
6/1 - Toronto, ON @ Rogers Center
6/2 - Pittsburgh, PA @ PPG Arena
6/5 - Raleigh, NC @ PNC Arena
6/6 - Knoxville, TN @ Thompson-Boling Arena
6/8 - Bristow, VA @ Jiffy Lube Live
6/11 - Philadelphia, PA @ Wells Fargo Center
6/13 - New York, NY @ Madison Square Garden
6/15 - Newark, NJ @ Prudential Center
6/16 - Baltimore, MD @ Royal Farms Arena
7/1 - Atlanta, GA @ Sun Trust Park
7/3 - Indianapolis, IN @ Bankers Life Fieldhouse
7/4 - Milwaukee, WI @ Summerfest
7/6 - Memphis, TN @ FedEx Forum
7/7 - Little Rock, AR @ Verizon Arena
7/9 - Tulsa, OK @ BOK Center
7/11 - Louisville, KY @ KFC Yum Center
7/13 - Detroit, MI @ Comerica Park
7/14 - Chicago, IL @ Wrigley Field
7/16 - Wichita, KS @ InTrust Bank Arena
7/18 - Sioux Falls, SD @ Denny Sanford Center
7/19 - Lincoln, NE @ Pinnacle Bank Arena
7/21 - Denver, CO @ Coors Field
7/23 - Des Moines, IA @ Wells Fargo Arena
7/25 - Kansas City, MO @ Sprint Center
7/27 - Minneapolis, MN @ Target Field
7/28 - Fargo, ND @ Fargo Dome
8/11 - Boston, MA @ Fenway Park
8/13 - Virginia Beach, VA @ Farm Bureau Live
8/15 - Columbia, SC @ Colonial Life Arena
8/17 - Ft Lauderdale, FL @ BB&T Center
8/18 - Tampa, FL @ Amalie Arena
8/20 - Birmingham, AL @ Legacy Arena @ BJCC
8/22 - Columbus, OH @ Schottenstein Center
8/24 - St Louis, MO @ Busch Stadium
8/25 - Nashville, TN @ Bridgestone Arena
8/27 - New Orleans, LA @ Smoothie King Center
8/29 - Dallas, TX @ American Airlines Center
8/31 - San Antonio, TX @ AT&T Center
9/1 - Houston, TX @ Honda Center
9/3 - Oklahoma City, OK @ Chesapeake Energy Arena
9/5 - Albuquerque, NM @ Isleta Amphitheater
9/7 - Phoenix, AZ @ Talking Stick Arena
9/8 - Las Vegas, NV @ T-Mobile Arena
9/21 - San Francisco, CA @ AT&T Park
9/23 - San Diego, CA @ Petco Field
9/25 - Salt Lake City, UT @ Vivint Smart Home Arena
9/26 - Boise, ID @ Taco Bell Arena
9/28 - Portland, OR @ Moda Center
9/29 - Seattle, WA @ The Gorge
10/1 - Vancouver, BC @ Rogers Arena
10/3 - Sacramento, CA @ Golden One Center
10/5 - Los Angeles, CA @ The Forum
10/6 - Los Angeles, CA @ The Forum

[Seshmeister]

Oh joy Def Leppard are playing the whole of Hysteria.

Finally people will get to watch them mime to a backing tape of 'Love and Affection'...

[FORD]

Always cracks me up when they list The Gorge as "Seattle". It's literally on the other side of the mountains and 3 hours away, for fucks sake.

Not that I'm going to be making the trip for that show. Now... if I could take Doc Brown's DeLorean back to a double bill of Def Leppard with Pete Willis & Journey before Paula White's husband ruined the band, that might be another story.

[twonabomber]

Oh joy Def Leppard are playing the whole of Hysteria.

Finally people will get to watch them mime to a backing tape of 'Love and Affection'...

I see Phil Collen is on this year's G3 tour. I haven't been able to find who else is in his band.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

They've got some balls booking several stadiums....

I'm sure it would be a decent night at the amphitheater here, sitting on the lawn with a few brews, but they're gonna be hard-pressed to fill a baseball stadium.....

[Nickdfresh]

They'll probably fill the Key Bank Center here, mainly because nothing else will be going on. I can't say I'm excited about seeing replace-a-member, prosthetic-Journey, but I wouldn't mind seeing Def if they didn't have a giant backing track going...

[Kristy]

And not at the typical summer sheds, Def Leppard and Journey are hitting arenas and baseball parks

This is what I hate so much about your cretin generation. You don't know when you go the fuck away. You just keep on keeping on recycling yourselves. ""Classic rock" is fucking dead.

[Seshmeister]

Kristy just because you were at college with them doesn't make you a millennial.

Tough shit but you are Generation X like the rest of us (apart of course from Zahzoo who is a baby boomer). :)

[Seshmeister]

I see Phil Collen is on this year's G3 tour. I haven't been able to find who else is in his band.

Is he not still playing with this woman? ;)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKvg0iM6hXo

[vandeleur]

That’s funny, the guy deserves kudos for not laughing or pulling funny solo faces

[Terry]

They've got some balls booking several stadiums....

I'm sure it would be a decent night at the amphitheater here, sitting on the lawn with a few brews, but they're gonna be hard-pressed to fill a baseball stadium.....

I saw this exact double bill around ten years ago in Tampa, in an amphitheater, and it was exactly as you described: a decent night out.

Maybe the baseball stadium gigs are happening on dates where there is a 1 or 4 PM game, then the concert starts after the game: I can't imagine this double bill is strong enough to fill a 40-60,000 seat baseball stadium solely on the strength of the bands alone. The venue I saw them at ten years ago seats 20,000 at total capacity, with around 10,000 actual chair seats and 10,000 on the lawn. There was an ample amount of empty chair seats, and the lawn was nowhere near full. They drew a decent crowd, but didn't sell the place out. Tickets were still available the day of the show.

I will say, Journey put on a great show. Sounded great, played great. And this was with Jeff Scott Soto handling most of the lead vocals for them.

Def Leppard have never been, to my mind, a fantastic live band. Saw them on the Hysteria tour in the 1980s, and the stage was the most memorable thing about that. Ten years ago, it was readily obvious that Leppard were using backing tapes, which is why I had to laugh at Sesh's Love And Affection comment. In addition to the tapes, Joe Elliott was intentionally ducking all the high notes in the tunes, to the point where some of the tunes were rearranged to facilitate this (e.g. Photograph stopping at the point where he says "I wanna touch you" and lurching into another song, so as to avoid the high range elongated scream at the end).

While Journey may well still be worth seeing live, Def Leppard live really isn't anything worth anyone's time.

[twonabomber]

The biggest ballpark on that list is probably Skydome/Rogers Center. Most parks now are around 30-35k capacity. The stage will likely be in the outfield, so no bleacher seating, and maybe the sections behind light and sound towers won't be sold. Or no upper level seats sold...who knows. They won't have floor seats on the infield, what they lose in the bleachers will be on the floor.

[Nickdfresh]

LOL $131 and up for a ticket? No thank you! :D

Fucking U2 was half that!

[twonabomber]

Tickets here start "just under $50," as the Plain Dealer reported but I didn't look to see what they topped out at.

[vandeleur]

LOL $131 and up for a ticket? No thank you! :D

Fucking U2 was half that!


Hahaha , Like you have to pay to see u2 :D

[Terry]

I'd say between $50 and $100 per ticket - and closer to $50 than $100 - for decent seats for that double bill would be appropriate. Unless there has been some massive surge in the popularity of either of those bands in the last decade in terms of drawing power that I'm unaware of, $100 and up per ticket doesn't sound reasonable, even when taking into account inflation today vs. ten years ago. Like, I don't think either band individually could roll into Tampa and play Amalie Arena with some no-name opening act, charge $50 a ticket and sell the venue out: the strength IS the double bill.

$130 and up sounds like prime seating.

[Seshmeister]

Def Leppard have never been, to my mind, a fantastic live band. Saw them on the Hysteria tour in the 1980s, and the stage was the most memorable thing about that. Ten years ago, it was readily obvious that Leppard were using backing tapes, which is why I had to laugh at Sesh's Love And Affection comment. In addition to the tapes, Joe Elliott was intentionally ducking all the high notes in the tunes, to the point where some of the tunes were rearranged to facilitate this (e.g. Photograph stopping at the point where he says "I wanna touch you" and lurching into another song, so as to avoid the high range elongated scream at the end).


I'm actually ok with the ducking notes thing. I saw Blondie a few months back and Debbie Harry just didn't sing the stuff she couldn't sing any more. That's fine. Latterly Geddy Lee was doing the same thing with Rush. No problem at all.

What pisses me off is backing tapes filling it in. I just feel what's the point I could be at home listening to this? Backing vocals is bad enough but the minute it's anything else it's worse than American Idol and I have no interest in it.

Def Leppard albums particularly on Hysteria is built on lots of incredibly simple guitar parts overdubbed, combined with electronic drums and 100 backing vocal tracks.

I don't know where they draw the line exactly but the temptation once you cross the line is more is better and if you are using some tapes why not more and it all becomes pointless.

There has been massive criticism of Van Halen live in the last 10 years but you have to at least admire they have retained live performance integrity.

[Kristy]

Kristy just because you were at college with them doesn't make you a millennial.

Tough shit but you are Generation X like the rest of us (apart of course from Zahzoo who is a baby boomer). :)

Wrong again as usual, Tutankhamun.

Your generation is a generation of sell-outs, drug addicts, and white nationalists who never finished high school.

[FORD]

If Generation X were on this bill it might actually be an interesting show....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZROz6djz0E

[vandeleur]

Billy always had cool hair.

[Kristy]

The only shit that is remotely "kwel" about your fucked-up, retarded sell-out generation is that Martha Quinn married a Fuzztone

http://www.fuzztones.net/save/festival/Martha_Jordan.jpg

So "suckaonmuhdick" you fucking Journey deadbeat cretins.

[Kristy]

Oh, and Mojo Nixon (who coincidentally wrote a tune about Martha)


https://youtu.be/jMkdvY2Z2Xk

[Nickdfresh]

Hahaha , Like you have to pay to see u2 :D

LOL If I had wanted too, I could have sat in a bar across the street and heard everything for the price of drinks....

[Terry]

I'm actually ok with the ducking notes thing. I saw Blondie a few months back and Debbie Harry just didn't sing the stuff she couldn't sing any more. That's fine. Latterly Geddy Lee was doing the same thing with Rush. No problem at all.

What pisses me off is backing tapes filling it in. I just feel what's the point I could be at home listening to this? Backing vocals is bad enough but the minute it's anything else it's worse than American Idol and I have no interest in it.

Def Leppard albums particularly on Hysteria is built on lots of incredibly simple guitar parts overdubbed, combined with electronic drums and 100 backing vocal tracks.

I don't know where they draw the line exactly but the temptation once you cross the line is more is better and if you are using some tapes why not more and it all becomes pointless.

There has been massive criticism of Van Halen live in the last 10 years but you have to at least admire they have retained live performance integrity.

Mmmm...

When it reaches the point where the tunes can't be sung properly...when the singer is just too old to do it...at that point, why not just get another singer in there who CAN do it?

Either that, or just pack it in.

I guess it depends on how many concessions one is willing to make in terms of allowances for age.

[Seshmeister]

The Blondie thing it was only maybe 5% if that of the show.

So what was maybe a high lead vocal line plus backing vocals became just backing vocals.

It just seemed sensible.

[Nickdfresh]

I'd say between $50 and $100 per ticket - and closer to $50 than $100 - for decent seats for that double bill would be appropriate. Unless there has been some massive surge in the popularity of either of those bands in the last decade in terms of drawing power that I'm unaware of, $100 and up per ticket doesn't sound reasonable, even when taking into account inflation today vs. ten years ago. Like, I don't think either band individually could roll into Tampa and play Amalie Arena with some no-name opening act, charge $50 a ticket and sell the venue out: the strength IS the double bill.

$130 and up sounds like prime seating.

You tell me. Seems like they think everywhere is "prime seating": http://keybank.centerbuffalo.com/Tickets-Active.php?eventID=2590628&venueID=1929

Maybe prices drop as we get closer and tix don't sell...

[Terry]

You tell me. Seems like they think everywhere is "prime seating": http://keybank.centerbuffalo.com/Tickets-Active.php?eventID=2590628&venueID=1929

Maybe prices drop as we get closer and tix don't sell...

Jesus!

So the KeyBank seats around 25,000 + for concert events, where the floor isn't taken up by a basketball court or ice rink (those sporting events can seat around 19,000).

The BASELINE ticket pricing from that link for that Leppard/Journey show STARTS at just over $130 bucks.

While I'd imagine both bands get some sort of guarantee, I'm kinda baffled as to whoever is promoting this gig: does said promoter actually think these two bands are going to sell 20,000 tickets starting at $130 per ticket?

I mean, maybe so, but I'd agree with you that one would tend to think those prices will drop as the gig approaches.

I simply can't imagine this double bill filling a twenty thousand seat arena these days, particularly when they couldn't do it in my area ten years ago.

I suppose I could be wrong about that...it'll be of interest to see how many people actually end up getting tickets for the show and if prices do drop (and by how much) as May approaches.

[Seshmeister]

In the arena here they frequently book bands that will only half fill it and then put black sheets across the upper levels which kind of works but with this one it seems weird having all the disadvantages of a stadium gig without the big crowd.

BTW I'm assuming that Journey are on first since Def Leppard have sold more albums and (a bit) more recently, headlined the last time the 2 bands toured, and still have their singer?

Plus in the publicity pics Def Leppard are a lot taller. :)

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/253fe8dc3feb945356d38760d5790f76e730e3bc/c=225-0-2043-1367&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/2018/01/18/DetroitFreeP/DetroitFreePress/636519128145280086-IMG-DFP-journey-preview-1-.JPG

Oh and as if they didn't have enough fighting within their band I see Johnathan Cain has married Trumps chief heretical televangelist... :)

[twonabomber]

Tickets here haven't gone on sale yet. $49.50, $69.50, $99.50, & $179.50.

[Nickdfresh]

Jesus!

So the KeyBank seats around 25,000 + for concert events, where the floor isn't taken up by a basketball court or ice rink (those sporting events can seat around 19,000).

The BASELINE ticket pricing from that link for that Leppard/Journey show STARTS at just over $130 bucks.

While I'd imagine both bands get some sort of guarantee, I'm kinda baffled as to whoever is promoting this gig: does said promoter actually think these two bands are going to sell 20,000 tickets starting at $130 per ticket?

I mean, maybe so, but I'd agree with you that one would tend to think those prices will drop as the gig approaches.

I simply can't imagine this double bill filling a twenty thousand seat arena these days, particularly when they couldn't do it in my area ten years ago.

I suppose I could be wrong about that...it'll be of interest to see how many people actually end up getting tickets for the show and if prices do drop (and by how much) as May approaches.

I'm not sure who organizes non-sporting events at the KBC, but my guess is Pegula Sports and Entertainment. They're not noted for their overall competence at organizing events and was (Bills and Sabres owner) Terry Pegula's attempt at tweaking Jeremy Jacobs (Boston Bruins owner) who owns Delaware North that is headquartered in Buffalo, a large concessions company that handles stadium and arena sales around the world...

I don't know if they have no fucking idea how to handle name concerts for older white people with disposable income or they just figure there is nothing else going on here, 'so come down to Canalside and get pissed at our shit sports-bar and watch a eve-of-summer concert in a pretty good location!'

[Nickdfresh]

...

Oh and as if they didn't have enough fighting within their band I see Johnathan Cain has married Trumps chief heretical televangelist... :)

There was talk of Neil Schon being very pissed that some of the band effectively endorsed Trump. Not that he necessarily voted for Clinton, but that he didn't want the band to be involved in politics at all..

And am I the only one tired of fucking Phil Collen and his fucking shirt off? We get it Phil, you gave up drinking like a liquor store draining bum and keep in shape. But FFS, no girls below the age of 45 give a fuck at this point!

[twonabomber]

Then there's this


More recently, Cain has established a tandem career in solo faith music after marrying Paula White-Cain, a minister who delivered the invocation at Donald Trump's presidential inauguration. Schon indicates that this has become a point of contention.

"I've stated how I felt about mixing religion and politics and how our music is not of one religion - Democratic or Republican," Schon said in the same Instagram update. "This is and has been an issue with myself Mr. Cain and his now wife, since he married. I've had to fight this whole time to protect the brand I built with Steve Perry, way before Gregg and I picked Cain to replace himself when he wanted to retire from the road back then. Well frankly, I'm tired of having to defend all by my self. [Fellow co-founding Journey member] Ross [Valory] is no help."

[FORD]

So why doesn't he just kick that pussy Cain out of the band and bring Gregg Rolie back?

I probably still wouldn't pay to see them, but it would still be a good thing for what's left of the band.

[Kristy]

Because, slave FORD Roly Poly is making a lot more money playing in Santana and

2. Most of the Journey songs people want to hear were written by Cain

[Kristy]

Plus, Journey is just fucking awful.

I've tried to listen to their shit and cannot make it though one album in its entirety - especially, especially that Mike Stone, Kevin Elson produced shit. Every band that Stone molested all sound exactly the same: Journey, Asia, Queen, and the racist named Whitesnake. Same tiresome guitar riffs, same drum patterns, same vocal styling. Same. Then again, this is how your shitty, retarded generation sold itself out: repetitive mediocrity power pop ballads. This is why I hate you all.

[Nickdfresh]

Plus, Journey is just fucking awful.

Well, yeah. Maybe for a short time in the early 80's they were good live. But their stuff is so uneven, a few gems among the turds really...


I've tried to listen to their shit and cannot make it though one album in its entirety - especially, especially that Mike Stone, Kevin Elson produced shit. Every band that Stone molested all sound exactly the same: Journey, Asia, Queen, and the racist named Whitesnake. Same tiresome guitar riffs, same drum patterns, same vocal styling. Same. Then again, this is how your shitty, retarded generation sold itself out: repetitive mediocrity power pop ballads. This is why I hate you all.

Their greatest hits albums are okay, but yeah, a studio album is a turd fest with some radio friendly hits...

[Kristy]

Gems? Really?

Journey wrote and played the most queefy, sappy, and ridiculous power pop crap on the planet. How they did it was no secret: their ace in the (ass)hole was a singer who could pull a pseudo soul vibe without too much criticism. No one in white suburban America ever criticized a white man singing black unless of course that person is Michael Bolton or Michael McDonald.

[Nickdfresh]

Gems? Really?

Journey wrote and played the most queefy, sappy, and ridiculous power pop crap on the planet. How they did it was no secret: their ace in the (ass)hole was a singer who could pull a pseudo soul vibe without too much criticism. No one in white suburban America ever criticized a white man singing black unless of course that person is Michael Bolton or Michael McDonald.

Oh course they did!! But they did it better. Neither Michael McDonald nor Bolton ever a hit nor enduring cultural significance like Journey has! No one is ending one of the best series in history with "How Can I Live Without You"...
https://media.giphy.com/media/W7nC5nKYdYykM/giphy.gif

[Terry]

Tickets here haven't gone on sale yet. $49.50, $69.50, $99.50, & $179.50.

Now THOSE are more reasonable prices.

Particularly considering you're gonna pay around $20 for parking and at least another $20 if you want a couple of beers during the show.

[Terry]

Well, yeah. Maybe for a short time in the early 80's they were good live. But their stuff is so uneven, a few gems among the turds really...



Their greatest hits albums are okay, but yeah, a studio album is a turd fest with some radio friendly hits...

Granted...

However, they are one of those bands who can go out on tour and even the most casual fan - who knows the band only from what they've heard on radio or MTV - will know virtually every song in a 15 to 20 song set list.

[Kristy]

Oh course they did!! But they did it better. Neither Michael McDonald nor Bolton ever a hit nor enduring cultural significance like Journey has! No one is ending one of the best series in history with "How Can I Live Without You"...
https://media.giphy.com/media/W7nC5nKYdYykM/giphy.gif

Bolton sure as shit did in his native Canada.

[Nickdfresh]

Granted...

However, they are one of those bands who can go out on tour and even the most casual fan - who knows the band only from what they've heard on radio or MTV - will know virtually every song in a 15 to 20 song set list.

And know 1-2 of the original present founding members.. :D

I'll give Def Leppard this, at least they're somewhat still intact...

[Nickdfresh]

Bolton sure as shit did in his native Canada.

He's from fucking Connecticut! But still can we not get him deported?

[FORD]

And know 1-2 of the original present founding members.. :D

I'll give Def Leppard this, at least they're somewhat still intact...

Yeah... they still have 2 1/2 of the original members. :biggrin:

[Nickdfresh]

Yeah... they still have 2 1/2 of the original members. :biggrin:

Well, at least some of them died!

[Seshmeister]

And the two key members are still there, Joe Elliot and the guy that works the tapes backstage... :)

[Seshmeister]

There was talk of Neil Schon being very pissed that some of the band effectively endorsed Trump. Not that he necessarily voted for Clinton, but that he didn't want the band to be involved in politics at all..

And am I the only one tired of fucking Phil Collen and his fucking shirt off? We get it Phil, you gave up drinking like a liquor store draining bum and keep in shape. But FFS, no girls below the age of 45 give a fuck at this point!

Couldn't agree more about Phil Collen it's fucking pathetic - still waiting for the autobiography when we hear how him and Phil Lewis used to suck dick for money in the early days of Girl. Allegedly.

I don't pay much attention to Journey but they seem to be just about the only band more fucked up than Van Halen. In a pretour interview Neil Schon is saying how he doesn't like video screens in the big venues because it causes fights between band members about how much time they each get on screen.

These people are in their 60s FFS!

[Terry]

And know 1-2 of the original present founding members.. :D

I'll give Def Leppard this, at least they're somewhat still intact...

Yeah...however, the number of older rock acts out there touring without the original/founding/definitive lineups far outweighs those who actually have all the original/founding/definitive members. Sadly, it's not as egregious as it once was. So the fact Journey isn't...small potatoes.

Leppard only have 3 founding members out of 5. But I'd agree that they have most of the definitive lineup there. And at least in the case of Clark he died as an explanation for his lack of participation, rather than 'creative differences' or whatever lame euphemism bands use for when a certain member wants a bigger cut of the profits than the rest of the band are willing to pay.

[Nickdfresh]

And the guitarist they fired was early on before they really broke it big. Fired for alcoholism from Def Leppard is like a race car driver being fired for speeding!

[Terry]

Yep. Old Pete Willis. Given the axe during the Pyromania sessions because he showed up drunk to a recording session, and was apparently quite a little booze hound back in the day. Seemingly, Willis eventually cleaned himself up a bit. Sadly, the same couldn't be said for Clark, who basically boozed and coked himself up literally to death. Young guy when he died, too.

[Seshmeister]

And the guitarist they fired was early on before they really broke it big. Fired for alcoholism from Def Leppard is like a race car driver being fired for speeding!

The most ridiculous example of this was my fellow Scot Brian Robertson who managed to get sacked from Thin Lizzy for boozing too much. Twice. You would think being sacked once for being too flakey by a heroin addict would sober you up a bit. :)

[FORD]

Dave Mustaine getting sacked from Metallica probably falls into that category as well. It's not like those guys were known for sobriety in the 80s. :beers:

[Kristy]

He's from fucking Connecticut! But still can we not get him deported?

He's from fucking Canada if I say he's from fucking Canada

[twonabomber]

Just got an email from the Rocksino...G3 tickets half off. Satriani, Petrucci, and Phil Collen.

[Terry]

Just got an email from the Rocksino...G3 tickets half off. Satriani, Petrucci, and Phil Collen.


Satriani, Petrucci AND...Phil Collen (?)

[twonabomber]

Yeah. That was my reaction when I first saw G3 was playing the casino. The first G3 was in a much bigger room here. Vai, Eric Johnson, Satch, in that order.

[Terry]

Which...and, I mean, honestly, not to belittle Collen's ability...but he just isn't as accomplished or has ever displayed near the amount of technical prowess as the other two on the bill. And you pretty much go to a G3 show to see and jaw-dropping technical ability and a guitar solo wankfest. Like, Collen might want to consider doing his set first, because if he goes on last...it'll be kinda laughable: he just doesn't stack up to the other two players on the bill.

[twonabomber]

I'm sure Satch closes.

[Seshmeister]

I'm sure Satch closes.

I was going to post that Phil Collen can take comfort in making so much more money but I just looked it up and Satch has sold over 10 million solo albums.

I had no idea it was as many as that, and he doesn't need to split everything 5 ways all the time.

Doubt these things are super accurate but the internet says Petrucci is worth $3.2 million, Satch is worth $12 million and Collen $20 million which is a valuable lesson in the monetary value of catchy tunes v. technical wizardry. :)

[Terry]

I was going to post that Phil Collen can take comfort in making so much more money but I just looked it up and Satch has sold over 10 million solo albums.

I had no idea it was as many as that, and he doesn't need to split everything 5 ways all the time.

Doubt these things are super accurate but the internet says Petrucci is worth $3.2 million, Satch is worth $12 million and Collen $20 million which is a valuable lesson in the monetary value of catchy tunes v. technical wizardry. :)

Well, that whole guitar hero angle...it's a niche market, and sort of an antiquated one. Antiquated in the sense that the influence of shredding in commercial terms and influence peaked decades ago. When I hear contemporary rock bands today, or pop tunes with a rock flavor, I don't hear much in the way of technical wizardry far as guitar parts go. Not nearly as much as I heard in the 1980s. The grunge bands of the early 1990s didn't emphasize that aspect of the guitar. The vast majority of Satriani's record sales came from albums he released in 1987, 1989 and 1992. His post-1992 stuff never even got halfway to gold, and in many cases didn't even sell 100,000 copies.

[Seshmeister]

I could be wrong but I don't think Satriani and Vai would have pissed all that amazing bubble of late 80s early 90s money away on cocaine and whores though like some of their contemporaries.

I was reading the other day how Boris Becker managed to get through over a hundred million...

[vandeleur]

I could be wrong but I don't think Satriani and Vai would have pissed all that amazing bubble of late 80s early 90s money away on cocaine and whores though like some of their contemporaries.

I was reading the other day how Boris Becker managed to get through over a hundred million...

Thus speaks a man who has no idea how expensive Bee's are.

[vandeleur]

I like Satch , I have fond memories of his twiddly albums but I do feel he is a little bit tainted by the chickfool connection.

[Nickdfresh]

Which...and, I mean, honestly, not to belittle Collen's ability...but he just isn't as accomplished or has ever displayed near the amount of technical prowess as the other two on the bill. And you pretty much go to a G3 show to see and jaw-dropping technical ability and a guitar solo wankfest. Like, Collen might want to consider doing his set first, because if he goes on last...it'll be kinda laughable: he just doesn't stack up to the other two players on the bill.

I'm sure he'll take his shirt-off to show everyone his 50-something pecks...

[ashstralia]

I was reading the other day how Boris Becker managed to get through over a hundred million...

Quality discrete scat wenches are worth every penny.

[Terry]

I'm sure he'll take his shirt-off to show everyone his 50-something pecks...

Yeah, the dude has body issues...a definite mimbo, who happens to play guitar.

[Nickdfresh]

Yeah, the dude has body issues...a definite mimbo, who happens to play guitar.

I saw the maybe 90's-something VH1 ("Behind the Music?") special on Def Leppard and Phil was bragging how he quit drinking and worked out like a fiend. But nobody really gives a fuck and to try to market himself like that at his age is really a bizarre testament to vanity he could get away with if he was at least somewhat subtle about it...

I guess their episode is on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDI4xgQ27R8

[Va Beach VH Fan]

I saw on Peter Frampton's FB page that he's going to be a special guest on a couple of shows as well....

EDIT: Actually it's going to be Frampton on some, The Pretenders on some, and Foreigner as well.....

http://www.deflepparduk.com/2018newsjan168.html

[Terry]

I saw the maybe 90's-something VH1 ("Behind the Music?") special on Def Leppard and Phil was bragging how he quit drinking and worked out like a fiend. But nobody really gives a fuck and to try to market himself like that at his age is really a bizarre testament to vanity he could get away with if he was at least somewhat subtle about it...

I guess their episode is on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDI4xgQ27R8

Which is fine that he did that, in terms of quitting drinking and working out. But, as you say, it gets a bit weird as he gets older that he seemingly can't just put his shirt on.

[twonabomber]

Phil Collen has left Def Leppard to attend to a family emergency. Steve Brown from Trixter is filling in for him. Brown covered Vivian Campell while Campell was out for cancer treatment.

[Nickdfresh]

You tell me. Seems like they think everywhere is "prime seating": http://keybank.centerbuffalo.com/Tickets-Active.php?eventID=2590628&venueID=1929

Maybe prices drop as we get closer and tix don't sell...

FTR, tickets could be had for $40...

[Nickdfresh]

Phil Collen has left Def Leppard to attend to a family emergency. Steve Brown from Trixter is filling in for him. Brown covered Vivian Campell while Campell was out for cancer treatment.

Guess he wasn't in Buffalo...

[twonabomber]

They were here last night. I didn't know Collen had left until I read the review on the Plain Dealer site. There were plenty of pics, the Twixter guy plays Wolfgangs.

I didn't look at what tickets were available. Didn't see any pop up on any of the buy/sell/trade groups I'm in.

[FORD]

Maybe next they'll kick Joe Elliot out of the band and replace him with Roseanne Barr. Apparently she needs a new gig.

[Seshmeister]

The most ridiculous thing about that Barr stuff is her saying Soros was in the SS.

If you can't take the time to check fucking snopes at least think for a second about how old he would need to be and check his age...

I was in Hungry recently and the irony about that stuff is that his mortal enemy is the Prime Minister of Hungary Viktor Orban who is the closest thing we have in Europe at the moment to a Nazi leader. He's where Trump wants to get to, getting his rich friends to buy and close down any media that criticises him - scary stuff.

[Nitro Express]

Maybe next they'll kick Joe Elliot out of the band and replace him with Roseanne Barr. Apparently she needs a new gig.

Obama just got a Netflix gig. Maybe we will see Rosanne on Netflix. ABC will become a dinosaur anyways.

[Nitro Express]

The most ridiculous thing about that Barr stuff is her saying Soros was in the SS.

If you can't take the time to check fucking snopes at least think for a second about how old he would need to be and check his age...

I was in Hungry recently and the irony about that stuff is that his mortal enemy is the Prime Minister of Hungary Viktor Orban who is the closest thing we have in Europe at the moment to a Nazi leader. He's where Trump wants to get to, getting his rich friends to buy and close down any media that criticises him - scary stuff.

If people are getting their history lessons from Rosanne Barr that's even more scary. Twitter just sent a show with great ratings down the shitter. My advice. Don't talk religion or politics and just smile for the camera and tell people what they want to hear and rake in the cash.

[Seshmeister]

I never saw the show, I never could stand the original even back in the days when it followed Cheers here on a Friday night and we only had 4 channels and no internet. I tried but I just didn't like it.

When I heard she had relaunched it with her as a Trump supporter I assumed it was going to be some satirical thing but apparently not.

[Nitro Express]

I never saw the show, I never could stand the original even back in the days when it followed Cheers here on a Friday night and we only had 4 channels and no internet. I tried but I just didn't like it.

When I heard she had relaunched it with her as a Trump supporter I assumed it was going to be some satirical thing but apparently not.

Rosanne was popular because when it first aired it was the opposite of the Cosby Show. Rosanne was more real with a family with problems and warts. People loved it and it wasn't a conservative show at all. The bottom line is the establishment has managed to divide the country along political lines to the extent to where if you are a Trump supporter in a liberal profession, it's career suicide. Also, blabbing dumb shit on social media doesn't help. Rosanne killed her show overestimating her importance to ABC. That's ok. Network television will be gone in ten years and ABC will no longer exist. Who knows, Rosanne might return on an online channel in the future. There seems to be a market for it still.

[Seshmeister]

Times have changed...

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/33985705_10155461361701179_8219270599298514944_n.j pg?_nc_cat=0&oh=b9f1b233f8decb69f9fe7f5e1252f2f2&oe=5BBE6A0D

[FORD]

In that picture, Bill is clearly debating whether to use one of the quaalude pudding pops on Roseanne or not.

[Seshmeister]

The world is just batshit crazy these days...

Does no one ever consider maybe just shutting the fuck up? :)


"A spokeswoman for Sanofi, the pharmaceutical company that makes Ambien, said in response to Barr's tweets about taking the sedative: "While all pharmaceutical treatments have side effects, racism is not a known side effect of any Sanofi medication."

[FORD]

Ambien does do some crazy shit, but I never heard of it turning anybody into a racist before. Just usually causes people to drive in their sleep or stupid shit like that. Just ask Patrick Kennedy, who walked away from crashing his car into a concrete barrier on the highway while in an Ambien coma... and still can say with a straight face that cannabis is more of a "dangerous" drug than anything Big Pharma puts out.

Weed never turned Hope Brady into a psycho serial killer.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn1j32XHGCo

[Seshmeister]

I have to say I do believe her excuse that she didn't know the woman was black.

If anything the two of them could be related...

https://i0.wp.com/theblast.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/0529_Roseanne-Barr-Valerie-jarrett-main.jpg?fit=1600%2C1200&ssl=1

[Terry]

Rosanne was popular because when it first aired it was the opposite of the Cosby Show. Rosanne was more real with a family with problems and warts. People loved it and it wasn't a conservative show at all. The bottom line is the establishment has managed to divide the country along political lines to the extent to where if you are a Trump supporter in a liberal profession, it's career suicide. Also, blabbing dumb shit on social media doesn't help. Rosanne killed her show overestimating her importance to ABC. That's ok. Network television will be gone in ten years and ABC will no longer exist. Who knows, Rosanne might return on an online channel in the future. There seems to be a market for it still.

Which struck me as kind of odd from the first episode of the Roseanne relaunch, when the whole Trump angle was prominently inserted into the scripts. Odd, in that from what I remembered of the original series it wasn't so specifically political with the references made, and when the reboot had Roseanne and Jackie going back and forth about the pros and cons of Trump vs. Hillary my reaction was a bit quizzical in terms of how effective this was as a part of the show.

I liked the relaunch. I wasn't a huge Roseanne fan the first time around in the early to mid 1990s, but at least with the relaunch I thought overall it was a good job bringing everybody back and retaining the spirit, style and humor of the original series. Certainly when thinking of the scope of movies and tv shows that have been rebooted and didn't really work the second time around, I thought the Roseanne reboot lived up to the original.


It isn't hard to imagine ABC took quick, decisive action as a way to get ahead of the ball rather than wait for sponsors to pull out. Had Roseanne not made that particular comment, she'd still have her show. She was working for Disney, thus doubtless there was a morals clause in her contract which included terms that covered social media interaction. I mean, is it so much her being a Trump supporter, or the obvious nastiness of the comment itself? Were she not a Trump supporter, the comment still wouldn't have been appropriate. I think your observation of her overestimation of her importance with the success of the reboot was probably closer to the truth: Roseanne forgot that it isn't 1993 anymore. She hasn't been relevant for the last 20 years, and times - for better, worse or whatever - have changed. Apparently Roseanne forgot to change with them.

[FORD]

The fact that she actually IS a Trump supporter is still hard for me to believe. In 2012, she was too left wing for the GREEN Party. Actually ran in their Presidential primary and lost to Jill Stein. There's a documentary about all of that on Netflix somewhere. Forget the title but it's probably "Roseanne for President" or something close to that.

How do you go from Left of Jill Stein to racist Trumpsucker in 4 years?

[Terry]

The fact that she actually IS a Trump supporter is still hard for me to believe. In 2012, she was too left wing for the GREEN Party. Actually ran in their Presidential primary and lost to Jill Stein. There's a documentary about all of that on Netflix somewhere. Forget the title but it's probably "Roseanne for President" or something close to that.

How do you go from Left of Jill Stein to racist Trumpsucker in 4 years?

Comes across to me as somebody who has a hodge-podge of vague ideas and was trying to fit those into established political molds, hence being erratic in the parties she tried to attach her name to.

For me, the surprise comes when thinking about Roseanne's unabashed embrace of gay characters on her show in the 1990s. And not just a brief embrace a la a single "Very Special Episode of Roseanne" appearance, but recurring characters. Thinking back to the 1990s, I can't really recall another show of Roseanne's stature in the ratings that was doing this. Prior to that, you'd get the odd instance like Billy Crystal's character in Soap, but usually these characters were treated as pretty much freaks or novelties.

How does Roseanne go from being socially inclusive on an issue twenty years ago to where she is at today?

It seems to me Obama being elected brought out a lot of racial feelings in a lot of people that they had disciplined themselves to keep just below the surface. I mean, the run up to the 2008 election was nearly as nasty as the bile that surfaced during Trump's candidacy, as watching youtube videos of supporters outside McCain rallies amply demonstrated: once it became apparent that a black man could actually get elected, these feelings could no longer be submerged by these people. They were losing "their" country to a black man...who was a "liberal" to boot!


Even after Obama was elected and in office for a few years and governing as what he turned out to be all along - a middle of the road corporate centrist - you'd still hear how he was a Kenyan Muslim bent on socializing America and turning the nation over to Islamic Fundamentalists. People grasped at anything to confirm that worldview, even when the facts were in direct opposition to it. The notion of "their" country slipping away, and clearly Obama had to be the one who was to blame, even though that die was cast decades before with the encouragement of both major political parties legislating tax cuts for the wealthy, tax subsidies for corporations even while they relocated their companies (and divested their profits) offshore and on and on.

Clearly all of that was Obama's fault. And he wasn't even born in this country!!!! We know that because Donald Trump said so, and Trump has investigators down in Hawaii and is going to come up with the documents to prove it!!! Oh, wait. Obama released his birth certificate...hey, it doesn't have a raised official seal!!!! Trump was right all along!!!!

Cut to 2016: bad enough we had to stomach 8 years of a black man, now we have to stomach a woman?! And THAT woman, to boot?!!? All of this really IS a hexagonal conspiracy, just like Alex Jones said!

A lot of working class folks HAVE been passed by. Technology and globalization doubtless played a role, but wealth stratification is right up there. Politicians of both parties have ensured that those who bankrolled them got the spoils. Same as it has always been. So, in desperation, they voted for a con man. The rationale being that a snowball's chance in hell would be better than no chance at all.