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Jeff Sessions cites Romans 13, a Bible passage used to defend slavery, in defense of family separations
Julie Zauzmer and Keith McMillan
washingtonpost.com
June 15 at 5:49 AM
Attorney General Jeff Sessions on Thursday used a Bible verse to defend his department’s policy of prosecuting everyone who crosses the border from Mexico, suggesting that God supports the government in separating immigrant parents from their children.
“I would cite you to the Apostle Paul and his clear and wise command in Romans 13, to obey the laws of the government because God has ordained the government for his purposes,” Sessions said during a speech to law enforcement officers in Fort Wayne, Ind. “Orderly and lawful processes are good in themselves. Consistent and fair application of the law is in itself a good and moral thing, and that protects the weak and protects the lawful.”
Government officials occasionally refer to the Bible as a line of argument — take, for instance, the Republicans who have quoted 2 Thessalonians (“if a man will not work, he shall not eat”) to justify more stringent food stamps requirements.
But the verse that Sessions cited, Romans 13, is an unusual choice.
“There are two dominant places in American history when Romans 13 is invoked,” said John Fea, a professor of American history at Messiah College in Pennsylvania. “One is during the American Revolution [when] it was invoked by loyalists, those who opposed the American Revolution.”
The other, Fea said, “is in the 1840s and 1850s, when Romans 13 is invoked by defenders of the South or defenders of slavery to ward off abolitionists who believed that slavery is wrong. I mean, this is the same argument that Southern slaveholders and the advocates of a Southern way of life made.”
In May, Sessions announced a zero-tolerance policy in which the Justice Department would begin prosecuting everyone who crosses the Southwest border. Part of the policy shift meant that migrants traveling with children or unaccompanied minors end up detained instead of released; U.S. immigration law charges adults with a crime, but not the children, which means they’re held separately.
The Associated Press cited U.S. Customs and Border Protection figures from two weeks in May in which more than 650 children were separated from parents. Reports from the same month that the government lost track of 1,475 children sparked a national outcry; those reports were later disputed.
Sessions has said “we’ve got to get this message out” that asylum seekers or anyone else immigrating through unofficial means is not given immunity. He appealed to “church friends” later in Thursday’s speech in Fort Wayne, emphasizing that non-citizens who enter the United States illegally are breaking the law.
On the same issue, other religious groups and individuals have cited the Bible as well, to take the opposite side.
“Overwhelmingly, Scripture causes families to be kept together,” said Gabriel Salguero, president of the National Latino Evangelical Coalition. “Overwhelmingly Scripture causes us to defend families. As Evangelicals, we have a doctrine to be a pro-family-values people, you know. The Bible calls us to be pro-family, and I personally find it deeply lamentable that we are separating children from their parents at the border or anywhere.”
Likewise, on Thursday afternoon, the Migrants and Refugees Section at the Vatican tweeted a verse of Deuteronomy:
“The Bible teaches that God ‘loves the foreigner residing among you, giving them food and clothing. And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt’ (Deuteronomy 10:18-19).” -Pope Francis
At a meeting of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops on Wednesday, the nation’s Catholic leaders strongly condemned the administration’s immigration policies as immoral, with one bishop going so far as to suggest that Catholics who help carry out the Justice Department’s policies are violating their faith and perhaps should be denied Communion.
White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said during a briefing Thursday that she hadn’t seen Sessions’s comments, but she backed his line of thinking.
“I can say that it is very biblical to enforce the law. That is actually repeated a number of times throughout the Bible,” she said. “It’s a moral policy to follow and enforce the law.”
Fea, the American history professor, said that after the Civil War, historians don’t see many references to Romans 13 because the essence of the passage — submission to authority — is regarded as un-American.
“America was built and born on rebellion and a sort of radical resistance to authority,” Fea said. “Whenever Romans 13 was used in the 18th and the 19th century — and Sessions seems to be doing the same thing, so in this sense there is some continuity — it’s a way of manipulating the scriptures to justify your own political agenda.”
The chapter itself can be interpreted in varying ways.
“Romans 13 says that the purpose of government is to pursue what is good, and it says that the government should not be a terror for those who are doing good,” said Matthew Soerens, U.S. director of church mobilization for World Relief, the humanitarian arm of the National Association of Evangelicals.
“You cannot read Romans 13 without reading Romans 12,” Salguero said, pointing to the prior chapter, which in part suggests that love must be the guide instead of evil.
“Laws are good, and order is good, but that doesn’t mean that separating families from each other is a good law,” he said. “There are good laws, and there are bad laws, and separating families from each other is a bad policy. We’re not against the law, we’re against bad laws and bad policies.”
Besides, as Soerens points out, the person in the Bible whom Sessions referenced ran afoul of the law.
“The fact that the Apostle Paul, who wrote Romans, wrote several epistles from jail suggests that he was occasionally on the wrong side of an unjust law,” Soerens said.
The evangelical polling group Barna found that evangelical Christians’ attitudes toward immigration seem to be warming somewhat. In 2016, Barna found that 42 percent of evangelicals agreed with the statement “We allow too many immigrants into the country,” compared with 30 percent of American adults overall. By the next year, just 23 percent of adults overall and 31 percent of evangelicals agreed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K_xZcjsVuw
Nitro Express
06-15-2018, 12:43 PM
Sessions is a joke. Someone has major dirt on him because he's a do nothing Attorney General. I think more dirt than being a bigot in his younger years. Maybe Sessions likes little boys.
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Willie Nelson: 'Christians should be up in arms' over Trump family-separation policy
By Justin Wise
TheHill.com (http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/392562-willie-nelson-christians-should-be-up-in-arms-over-trump-family-separation)
06/15/18 05:31 PM EDT
Willie Nelson, an outspoken critic of President Trump, is slamming the administration's zero-tolerance policy separating families at the U.S.-Mexico border, saying "Christians everywhere should be outraged."
"What's going on at our southern border is outrageous," Nelson told Rolling Stone. "Christians everywhere should be up in arms. What happened to 'Bring us your tired and weak and we will make them strong?' This is still the promise land."
Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced in early May that the Department of Homeland Security would separate undocumented children crossing the U.S.-Mexico border from the adults accompanying them before those adults are prosecuted. The policy is carried out even if a migrant is seeking asylum.
It has resulted in a sharp influx of children being separated from families at the border in recent weeks. The Associated Press reported on Friday that nearly 2,000 children were separated from their parents from April 19 through May 31, according to figures obtained from the Department of Homeland Security.
The overflow of children has also led the administration to begin erecting a "tent city" in Tornillo, Texas that will hold 450 beds for children.
Democratic lawmakers have forcefully condemned the policy, which Trump on Friday blamed on Democrats.
Nelson, who grew up just five hours from the Mexican border, has aimed harsh criticism at Trump. In January, he announced his new album would feature a Trump-inspired song titled, “Delete and Fast-Forward."
Nelson also has previously advocated for pro-immigration policies. He told Rolling Stone in 2014 that helping immigrant children is "a good opportunity for us to show a little bit of humanitarianism and take care of those kids."
Nitro Express
06-15-2018, 09:28 PM
https://youtu.be/nFor9gI8IrM
Saw Willie once. He stunk of BO and his boots were dirty.
Nickdfresh
06-16-2018, 01:51 AM
Maybe Sessions and Trump wanna sell the children to pedophiles?
Either that or Sessions is using them as slave labor in his hollow tree cookie factory.
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Seshmeister
06-17-2018, 11:35 PM
The defence I'm hearing from Christian acquaintances defending the stupidity of Romans 13, (which to me is just blatant do what I tell you shit coming from the powers involved in the creating of the Bible for Emperor Constantine), is that you need to read the preceding verse.
I'm really not convinced by that argument because even if it's meant to sort out the problem that according to Paul all Christians need to support their government even if it is vile cruel and 'evil', then it's very vague and unstated. If it was the word of god why is it either completely immoral or poorly communicated.
Nitro Express
06-18-2018, 12:23 AM
Maybe Sessions and Trump wanna sell the children to pedophiles?
Trump is going to put them to work building a wall. Pink Floyd can come out with a Trump version of their musical.
Trump is going to put them to work building a wall. Pink Floyd can come out with a Trump version of their musical.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWwVOJmMNX8
Nitro Express
06-18-2018, 12:29 PM
He's an aging golden boy who loves all sorts of powers. His kinky side likes Russian golden showers....
...nevermind the fact that there would be no refugees from Central or South America without the manipulations of that region by the BCE/CIA. You married into this shit Pickles, but thanks for your opinion, I guess.....
washingtonpost.com (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/laura-bush-separating-children-from-their-parents-at-the-border-breaks-my-heart/2018/06/17/f2df517a-7287-11e8-9780-b1dd6a09b549_story.html?utm_term=.4dcc7f75e170)
Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’
by Laura Bush
June 17 at 8:45 PM
On Sunday, a day we as a nation set aside to honor fathers and the bonds of family, I was among the millions of Americans who watched images of children who have been torn from their parents. In the six weeks between April 19 and May 31, the Department of Homeland Security has sent nearly 2,000 children to mass detention centers or foster care. More than 100 of these children are younger than 4 years old. The reason for these separations is a zero-tolerance policy for their parents, who are accused of illegally crossing our borders.
I live in a border state. I appreciate the need to enforce and protect our international boundaries, but this zero-tolerance policy is cruel. It is immoral. And it breaks my heart.
Our government should not be in the business of warehousing children in converted box stores or making plans to place them in tent cities in the desert outside of El Paso. These images are eerily reminiscent of the Japanese American internment camps of World War II, now considered to have been one of the most shameful episodes in U.S. history. We also know that this treatment inflicts trauma; interned Japanese have been two times as likely to suffer cardiovascular disease or die prematurely than those who were not interned.
Americans pride ourselves on being a moral nation, on being the nation that sends humanitarian relief to places devastated by natural disasters or famine or war. We pride ourselves on believing that people should be seen for the content of their character, not the color of their skin. We pride ourselves on acceptance. If we are truly that country, then it is our obligation to reunite these detained children with their parents — and to stop separating parents and children in the first place.
People on all sides agree that our immigration system isn’t working, but the injustice of zero tolerance is not the answer. I moved away from Washington almost a decade ago, but I know there are good people at all levels of government who can do better to fix this.
Recently, Colleen Kraft, who heads the American Academy of Pediatrics, visited a shelter run by the U.S. Office of Refugee Resettlement. She reported that while there were beds, toys, crayons, a playground and diaper changes, the people working at the shelter had been instructed not to pick up or touch the children to comfort them. Imagine not being able to pick up a child who is not yet out of diapers.
Twenty-nine years ago, my mother-in-law, Barbara Bush, visited Grandma’s House, a home for children with HIV/AIDS in Washington. Back then, at the height of the HIV/AIDS crisis, the disease was a death sentence, and most babies born with it were considered “untouchables.” During her visit, Barbara — who was the first lady at the time — picked up a fussy, dying baby named Donovan and snuggled him against her shoulder to soothe him. My mother-in-law never viewed her embrace of that fragile child as courageous. She simply saw it as the right thing to do in a world that can be arbitrary, unkind and even cruel. She, who after the death of her 3-year-old daughter knew what it was to lose a child, believed that every child is deserving of human kindness, compassion and love.
In 2018, can we not as a nation find a kinder, more compassionate and more moral answer to this current crisis? I, for one, believe we can.
Seshmeister
06-18-2018, 03:45 PM
Trump is going to put them to work building a wall. Pink Floyd can come out with a Trump version of their musical.
He kind of is.
The plan seems to be to steal the children of people who are already in a terrible situation and put them in cages until the Democrats agree to pay for his wall(with your money).
Is there not a point when people start to wonder if they are maybe the fucking bad guys in the story?
This is beyond viral in the rest of the world at the moment and is making Abu Ghraib look like a massive PR win for the USA. :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53ObMpGWm18
Jesus Christ
06-18-2018, 06:25 PM
The defence I'm hearing from Christian acquaintances defending the stupidity of Romans 13, (which to me is just blatant do what I tell you shit coming from the powers involved in the creating of the Bible for Emperor Constantine), is that you need to read the preceding verse.
I'm really not convinced by that argument because even if it's meant to sort out the problem that according to Paul all Christians need to support their government even if it is vile cruel and 'evil', then it's very vague and unstated. If it was the word of god why is it either completely immoral or poorly communicated.
Some Scripture quotes regarding immigration.....
Leviticus 19:33-34 - And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
Matthew 25:35 - For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in
Exodus 22:21 - Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.
Malachi 3:5 - And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in [his] wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger [from his right], and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.
Deuteronomy 27:19 - Cursed [be] he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger, fatherless, and widow. And all the people shall say, Amen.
Hebrews 13:2 - Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
Jeremiah 7:5-7 - For if ye throughly amend your ways and your doings; if ye throughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbour;
Zechariah 7:9-10 - Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Execute true judgment, and shew mercy and compassions every man to his brother
Exodus 23:9 - Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger: for ye know the heart of a stranger, seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.
Leviticus 25:35 - And if thy brother be waxen poor, and fallen in decay with thee; then thou shalt relieve him: [yea, though he be] a stranger, or a sojourner; that he may live with thee.
So I think it's fairly clear where Dad & I stand on this issue.
Seshmeister
06-18-2018, 07:45 PM
Whatever.
I could pull some hateful shit from any of those books in a minute.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-SeM268sWU
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‘At Least During the Internment …’ Are Words I Thought I’d Never Utter
By George Takei
foreignpolicy.com (http://foreignpolicy.com/2018/06/19/at-least-during-the-internment-are-words-i-thought-id-never-utter-family-separation-children-border/)
June 19, 2018, 9:00 AM
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Imagine this scene: Tens of thousands of people, mostly families with children, are labeled by the government as a threat to our nation, used as political tools by opportunistic politicians, and caught in a vast gray zone where their civil and human rights are erased by the presumption of universal guilt. Thousands are moved around to makeshift detention centers and sites, where camps are thrown together with more regard to the bottom line than the humanity of the new residents.
That is America today, at our southern border, which asylum-seekers and undocumented migrants alike are seeking to cross. But it is also America in late 1941, in the aftermath of Pearl Harbor, when overnight my community, my family, and I became the enemy because we happened to look like those who had dropped the bombs. And yet, in one core, horrifying way this is worse. At least during the internment of Japanese-Americans, I and other children were not stripped from our parents. We were not pulled screaming from our mothers’ arms. We were not left to change the diapers of younger children by ourselves.
Photos of children in cages and camps today so strongly evoke the wartime past that former First Lady Laura Bush drew a stark parallel in an op-ed in the Washington Post. “These images are eerily reminiscent of the Japanese American internment camps of World War II, now considered to have been one of the most shameful episodes in U.S. history,” Bush wrote. She reminded us that there are dark consequences to such camps for their residents: “This treatment inflicts trauma; interned Japanese have been two times as likely to suffer cardiovascular disease or die prematurely than those who were not interned.”
When a government acts capriciously, especially against a powerless and much-reviled group, it is hard to describe the terror and anxiety. There is nowhere to turn, because the only people with the power to help have trained their guns and dogs upon you. You are without rights, held without charge or trial. The world is upside down, information-less, and indifferent or even hostile to your plight.
And yet, with hideous irony, I can still say, “At least during the internment …”
At least during the internment, when I was just 5 years old, I was not taken from my parents.
My family was sent to a racetrack for several weeks to live in a horse stall, but at least we had each other. At least during the internment, my parents were able to place themselves between the horror of what we were facing and my own childish understanding of our circumstances. They told us we were “going on a vacation to live with the horsies.” And when we got to Rohwer camp, they again put themselves between us and the horror, so that we would never fully appreciate the grim reality of the mosquito-infested swamp into which we had been thrown. At least during the internment, we remained a family, and I credit that alone for keeping the scars of our unjust imprisonment from deepening on my soul.
I cannot for a moment imagine what my childhood would have been like had I been thrown into a camp without my parents. That this is happening today fills me with both rage and grief: rage toward a failed political leadership who appear to have lost even their most basic humanity, and a profound grief for the families affected.
How do political leaders convince themselves of the virtues of such a policy? History shows it doesn’t take much. After Japan dropped its bombs, the political scapegoats were obvious. As America geared up for war, the administration needed some way to show that it was being tough on Japan, as it had little military success at the early going to trot out. Being tough on Japan easily translated into being tough on the Japanese here in America. No matter that most of us weren’t even Japanese nationals; nearly two-thirds of those imprisoned were U.S. citizens, after all. But as the Wartime Relocation Authority made clear, “a Jap is a Jap.” That was their own “zero-tolerance” policy.
But how to justify the sweeping internment of 120,000 people, when none of us had actually done anything wrong?
It was Earl Warren — the same man who as chief justice would forge a famously liberal Supreme Court — who helped move that along. Warren was the attorney general for the state of California at the time, and he had designs on the governorship, which he won in late in 1942. Warren took the absence of evidence of sabotage or spying on the West Coast by any Japanese-American as justification to declare that this was evidence that we must be planning something truly hidden and deeply sinister.
It was a lie, and a big one, but it was one repeated enough, and said with enough conviction, that rest of the country went along with it. We were the murderers, the thugs, the animals then — and since you couldn’t tell the good from the bad, you might as well round up everyone in the name of national security.
Whenever I draw parallels between today’s border actions and the internment camps of World War II, I am flooded with comments “reminding me” that it was a Democrat, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who signed Executive Order 9066 and set the internment into motion. This only underscores my point, however: The United States’ flirtation with authoritarianism is not tied to any political party. Even people of good heart and conscience can be swept up in the frenzy. Earl Warren was a Republican, and while he ultimately came to view his role in the internment to be one of his greatest follies, at the time neither he nor others in government — with rare exceptions, like Ralph Carr, the governor of Colorado — saw anything wrong with what he’d done.
But unless we act now, we will have failed to learn at all from our past mistakes. Once again, we are flinging ourselves into a world of camps and fences and racist imagery — and lies just big enough to stick.
Once again, we are flinging ourselves into a world of camps and fences and racist imagery — and lies just big enough to stick.
There are at least two big lies right now. The first is that there’s a law on the books passed by the Democrats, and that the Justice Department has no choice but to enforce it. This lie passes the buck and confuses the public, offering a diversionary talking point to dutiful lieutenants willing to toe the White House line. Like FDR, Donald Trump has wide latitude in setting the priorities of law enforcement, and there is no law that says we must have “zero tolerance” for children at our borders, just as there was nothing that said all persons of Japanese descent, even children within orphanages, were to be rounded up and relocated.
The second lie is that those at our borders are criminals, and therefore deserve no rights. But the asylum-seekers at our borders are breaking no laws at all, nor are their children who accompany them. The broad brush of “criminal” today raises echoes of the wartime “enemy” to my ears. Once painted, both marks are impossible to wash off. Trump prepared his followers for this day long ago, when he began to dehumanize Mexican migrants as drug dealers, rapists, murderers, and animals. Animals might belong in cages. Humans don’t.
I wish that those, like me, who lived through this nightmare before didn’t have to sound the alarm again.
But as my father once told me, America is a great nation but also a fallible one — as prone to great mistakes as are the people who inhabit it. As a survivor of internment camps, I have made it my lifelong mission to work against them being built ever again within our borders.
Although the first camps for border crossers have been built, and are now filling up with innocent children, we have a chance to ensure history does not repeat itself in full, to demonstrate that we have learned from our past and to stand firmly against our worse natures. The internment happened because of fear and hatred, but also because of a failure of political leadership. In 1941, there were few politicians who dared stand up to the internment order. I am hopeful that today there will, should be, must be, far more people who speak up, both among our leaders and the public, and that the future writes the history of our resistance — not, yet again, of our compliance.
Nitro Express
06-19-2018, 01:38 PM
He kind of is.
The plan seems to be to steal the children of people who are already in a terrible situation and put them in cages until the Democrats agree to pay for his wall(with your money).
Is there not a point when people start to wonder if they are maybe the fucking bad guys in the story?
This is beyond viral in the rest of the world at the moment and is making Abu Ghraib look like a massive PR win for the USA. :(
Naw. It's all political banter. The children are only separated from the parents if the parents declare asylum at the border. It's been the law before Trump was even president. This was done under other presidents but for some reason nobody cared then. Like everything else this will blow over in a few weeks and people will be bitching about something else. Maybe Trump should pull a false flag and bomb something and change the news story.
Nitro Express
06-19-2018, 01:42 PM
Just be glad Trump wants a wall. Landmines would be quicker and cheaper. The way people are bitching he should just go for it!
Seshmeister
06-19-2018, 04:12 PM
Naw. It's all political banter. The children are only separated from the parents if the parents declare asylum at the border. It's been the law before Trump was even president. This was done under other presidents but for some reason nobody cared then.
Fucking bullshit.
You need to start getting some more accurate news sources than Fox and Friends.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-law-separate-families-passed-1997/
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/jun/19/matt-schlapp/no-donald-trumps-separation-immigrant-families-was/
Nickdfresh
06-19-2018, 04:13 PM
Naw. It's all political banter. The children are only separated from the parents if the parents declare asylum at the border. It's been the law before Trump was even president. This was done under other presidents but for some reason nobody cared then. Like everything else this will blow over in a few weeks and people will be bitching about something else. Maybe Trump should pull a false flag and bomb something and change the news story.
Another red herring argument. It rarely happened "before trump" and certainly not on the scale of over 2,000 children interned. It's a "policy" now, no matter how much the cowards like Trump and his DHS appointees try to pass the buck back! Own the the fucking policy you pussies!! It's yours. You want a big wall built? Fine. But you get the crying children in interment camps separated from their parents as images of hostages. Own it bitches!!
You don't have to suck Trumps small dick on every other post while trying to convince us you're an independent thinker on the rest FFS..
Kristy
06-19-2018, 05:43 PM
Maybe Sessions and Trump wanna sell the children to pedophiles?
Probably sell them off to the Allison Mack sex cult
http://cimg.tvgcdn.net/i/r/2018/04/20/40db8460-1d5d-42ab-a14b-fe8625df563d/resize/900x600/770ce1a8dd0cbc773b78c0c6366a7c7e/180420-allison-mack.jpg
Kristy
06-19-2018, 05:45 PM
By the way about Allison Mack? Total master Bernie supporter.
Seshmeister
06-19-2018, 05:51 PM
Start a separate thread.
FORD -
The Trump administration has reached a new low. After having nothing but praise for Kim Jong Un, the leader of the most despotic government on Earth, Trump has now initiated policies in our own country that are unprecedented in their cruelty.
Like you, I have watched with horror and disgust the countless stories and images of children being ripped away from their parents and stuck in cages for days, weeks and months without any contact or information about their well-being. I have read about parents being sent back to their home country without their children, and even stories about parents so distraught about the separation that they have ended their own lives.
As former First Lady Laura Bush stated; "Our government should not be in the business of warehousing children in converted box stores or making plans to place them in tent cities in the desert outside of El Paso. These images are eerily reminiscent of the internment camps for U.S. citizens and noncitizens of Japanese descent during World War II, now considered to have been one of the most shameful episodes in U.S. history."
The Trump administration policy of separating children from their parents at our border is a national disgrace. It is a moral abomination. And it can be stopped.
Like every member of the Senate Democratic Caucus, I have added my name as a co-sponsor of the Keep Families Together Act – legislation that would stop this detestable policy. Unfortunately, not one Republican senator has yet signed on. I need you to make your voice heard if we are going to change that:
More than any other country in the history of the modern world, the United States has been shaped in its identity and character by the process of immigration and the contributions of those immigrants.
I am proud to be the son of an immigrant.
My father came to this country from Poland without a nickel in his pocket.
And as a nation built by immigrants, we must strive for humane immigration policies that unify families, not tear them apart.
The Trump administration’s policy of separating children, including infants as young as one year old, from their parents at the border is inhumane, cruel and an affront to our values as Americans.
Tell Congress to act to stop it, today:
Add Your Name – Tell the Congress to pass the Keep Families Together Act and we can put an end to Trump’s policy of separating children from their parents at the U.S. / Mexico border.
(https://go.berniesanders.com/page/s/immigrant-families?source=em180619-t1-full)
Over the course of the next days and weeks, I suspect we will talk a lot about comprehensive immigration reform. But what cannot get lost in the details here is that we are talking about people. We are talking about families.
It is time for this injustice to end.
In solidarity,
Bernie Sanders
jacksmar
06-19-2018, 06:13 PM
FORD -
In solidarity,
Bernie Sanders
Really man, what is it with you in these socialist old white women?
By the way about Allison Mack? Total master Bernie supporter.
Bullshit.
Nitro Express
06-19-2018, 08:40 PM
Another red herring argument. It rarely happened "before trump" and certainly not on the scale of over 2,000 children interned. It's a "policy" now, no matter how much the cowards like Trump and his DHS appointees try to pass the buck back! Own the the fucking policy you pussies!! It's yours. You want a big wall built? Fine. But you get the crying children in interment camps separated from their parents as images of hostages. Own it bitches!!
You don't have to suck Trumps small dick on every other post while trying to convince us you're an independent thinker on the rest FFS..
The reality is this won't affect Trump's approval rating and all this noise will be over in a few weeks. Nobody cares. It's summer vacation.
Nitro Express
06-19-2018, 08:42 PM
Fucking bullshit.
You need to start getting some more accurate news sources than Fox and Friends.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-law-separate-families-passed-1997/
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/jun/19/matt-schlapp/no-donald-trumps-separation-immigrant-families-was/
I haven't watched FOX in several years. Snopes? Haha!
Nitro Express
06-19-2018, 08:43 PM
Probably sell them off to the Allison Mack sex cult
http://cimg.tvgcdn.net/i/r/2018/04/20/40db8460-1d5d-42ab-a14b-fe8625df563d/resize/900x600/770ce1a8dd0cbc773b78c0c6366a7c7e/180420-allison-mack.jpg
She see's something she likes. I doubt it's Session's cock.
Nitro Express
06-19-2018, 08:52 PM
I almost wish Bernie would have won. Impossible though in the corrupt Democrat Party. After reading what Strzok and his lover in the FBI said about the guy I'm convinced Bernie was a true independent like Trump. If Bernie would have won the FBI would be all over his ass and they would be able to dig more Russian shit up on Sanders than Trump. See the problem here is people are falling into the same partisan distractions. The real issue is it's the establishment (Both Dems and Reps) against independent candidates. Bernie could be shot down with superdelegates. Since the Republicans didn't have superdelegates they couldn't take Trump down in the same manner but they tried to get him. As far as the border laws go. There are enough never Trump Republicans and Democrats to change the laws in congress. It's all noise people. Pre-election distraction.
Kristy
06-19-2018, 10:35 PM
master Bernie is/was Putin's #2. He bought his sorry ass, too.
jacksmar
06-19-2018, 10:41 PM
The reality is this won't affect Trump's approval rating and all this noise will be over in a few weeks. Nobody cares. It's summer vacation.
That's so accurate.
The reality is Trump is not able to use his pen and Blackberry to change anything to do with this situation because there is case law precedence that would be reversed. There's some pretty smart people on this site and know what Trump can do if he's able to get away with reversing Reno v Flores. Trump would be able to reverse Roe v Wade and Brown v Board of Education, etc.
Trump is a democrat. Not a leftist progressive socialist democrat that we see currently, but an old fashion Truman democrat. The party has moved so far left they've forgotten what that was. I remember when Ted Cruz pointed that out and everyone laughed.
Anyway, the left laughed when Trump announced, they laughed when he was running, and they cried when Trump won. Trump is laughing now and the left doesn't like it. It's that whole Jon Stewart shit taco thing.
There will be a tornado and/or a hurricane or an earthquake, or maybe a volcano will erupt creating a real crisis again and the peons will be forgotten until the dempons need them again.
Meanwhile in South Africa, farmers are having their land taken from them by force. In India, one of the political parties has quit the Kashmir alliance. Canada has gone to pot...
Kristy
06-19-2018, 10:43 PM
Start a separate thread.
Oh, I'm sorry, slave SESH or someone who pushes porn on his site really has not one single gradient of an god damn argument. Just fucking amazes me that some who believes porn is is normalized in the culture can also just as easily dismiss the trafficking and human suffering it causes much like these children you pretend to care about. You can't have it both ways, asshole. And...and it's so reflected with your constant sexist, woman-hating, sex-distorted attitude. Oh, and do stop with this shit that pornography is feminist. It's a tool of the patriarchy that directly supports the rape and abuse of the women and girls involved, and contributes to the objectification of all women and girls. And you're a part of that by allowing it on your site.
Kristy
06-19-2018, 10:46 PM
There will be a tornado and/or a hurricane or an earthquake, or maybe a volcano will erupt creating a real crisis again and the peons will be forgotten until the dempons need them again.
Gawd, I so fucking hope so and that they are isolated to a certian section of that shithole state of Florida where small-dicked F A T fuck racist retards who masturbate themselves with guns will be taken off the face of the fucking earth.
Seshmeister
06-19-2018, 10:48 PM
That's nearly 13500 posts from our resident
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-iacUwLVwoKE/Vb0ZqThMGOI/AAAAAAAABRQ/oqrSK9VuSIM/s1600/58082751.jpg
Kristy
06-19-2018, 10:52 PM
Stay stupid, troll.
Kristy
06-19-2018, 10:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWwVOJmMNX8
Oh, and you can seriously fuck off, too. Liberal millionaire rock stars who live in high rise penthouses in Manhattan never did shit for the world. You are really such a slave to pop culture fascism and stupidity
Kristy
06-19-2018, 10:59 PM
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jacksmar
06-19-2018, 11:04 PM
Gawd, I so fucking hope so and that they are isolated to a certian section of that shithole state of Florida where small-dicked F A T fuck racist retards who masturbate themselves with guns will be taken off the face of the fucking earth.
Ahhh, KKKristy enters the room again with amazing shemale insight. I'd heard you have a nervous breakdown at some coffee shop in Denver. Glad to know you're still able to type.
For your feminine side, knee pads are on clearance at Big5. Get a pair while the stooping still isn't causing you any trouble...
Nickdfresh
06-19-2018, 11:08 PM
Probably sell them off to the Allison Mack sex cult
http://cimg.tvgcdn.net/i/r/2018/04/20/40db8460-1d5d-42ab-a14b-fe8625df563d/resize/900x600/770ce1a8dd0cbc773b78c0c6366a7c7e/180420-allison-mack.jpg
She's a dirty, dirty whore...
Kristy
06-19-2018, 11:11 PM
Ahhh, KKKristy enters the room again with amazing shemale insight. I'd heard you have a nervous breakdown at some coffee shop in Denver. Glad to know you're still able to type.
For your feminine side, knee pads are on clearance at Big5. Get a pair while the stooping still isn't causing you any trouble...
Look at that, the F A T racist fuck who never finished the ninth grade and is calling me a shemale while dressing up in leather and makeup pretending he is in a tribute band when we all know you need to come out of the closet. Don't worry, your gay fan base won't make fun of your and your mouse cock just show them the loaded gun you masturbate yourself to sleep with every night. Need some help now that Medicaid will no longer pay for your Viagra? No need to close your eyes. His face will always be white.
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/bd/ea/f5/bdeaf5bffdc74135df0347ffccb385b8--kiss-rock-bands-kiss-band.jpg
You're welcome.
jacksmar
06-19-2018, 11:31 PM
Look at that, the F A T racist fuck who never finished the ninth grade and is calling me a shemale while dressing up in leather and makeup pretending he is in a tribute band when we all know you need to come out of the closet. Don't worry, your gay fan base won't make fun of your and your mouse cock just show them the loaded gun you masturbate yourself to sleep with every night. Need some help now that Medicaid will no longer pay for your Viagra? No need to close your eyes. His face will always be white.
You're welcome.
That one doesn't work for for me butt thanks for the effort.
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/52/17/70/521770448c8cd1b96264c5900155c428.jpg
Kristy
06-19-2018, 11:33 PM
https://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/keep-calm-and-come-out-21.png
We're all waiting.
jacksmar
06-19-2018, 11:50 PM
This was a GroundHog Day night...
17096
Sorry to disappoint you KKKristy. I'm homophobic, Remember?
Oh, and you can seriously fuck off, too. Liberal millionaire rock stars who live in high rise penthouses in Manhattan never did shit for the world. You are really such a slave to pop culture fascism and stupidity
OK then....
What about country singers who had the courage to speak out against the BCE and got blacklisted by Fear Channel and the Nashville corporate right wing establishment for doing so?
https://youtu.be/9LDgbJ8kDkw
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Df_oIn-WAAAWZ6_.jpg
Nitro Express
06-20-2018, 01:52 AM
Oh, and you can seriously fuck off, too. Liberal millionaire rock stars who live in high rise penthouses in Manhattan never did shit for the world. You are really such a slave to pop culture fascism and stupidity
Nobody gives a fuck about the world. With all the suicides happening these days good thing the nuclear launch codes are hard to get at because so many mother fuckers would launch the missiles in a heartbeat to kill their miserable selves and take all the assholes they severely hate with them.
Nitro Express
06-20-2018, 01:58 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Df_oIn-WAAAWZ6_.jpg
Wow! That's some ashes and sackcloth grieving guilt there. I say start whipping yourself in the street and entertain the rest of us. As Kim Fowley once said. If you are going to die. Die infront of all of us. We will write songs about you.
Nitro Express
06-20-2018, 01:59 AM
That one doesn't work for for me butt thanks for the effort.
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/52/17/70/521770448c8cd1b96264c5900155c428.jpg
Is the Starman going to drum on their ass cheeks?
Nitro Express
06-20-2018, 02:06 AM
OK then....
What about country singers who had the courage to speak out against the BCE and got blacklisted by Fear Channel and the Nashville corporate right wing establishment for doing so?
https://youtu.be/9LDgbJ8kDkw
They stood up but what did it accomplish? Jeb! and Ted Cruze failed to get the presidency and that just pisses the Bush clan off to no end. Now an annoying dude from Queens might be jeopardizing their drug trade. If you want Bush slugs to crawl from underneath a rock, attempt to secure the border.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlzCLQ2VjQM
Nickdfresh
06-20-2018, 01:54 PM
Is the Starman going to drum on their ass cheeks?
Tranny fannies...
Kristy
06-20-2018, 01:59 PM
OK then....
What about country singers who had the courage to speak out against the BCE and got blacklisted by Fear Channel and the Nashville corporate right wing establishment for doing so?
What's your point here? Country singers not millionaires? And who in the hell listens to the radio anymore? Who?
Nickdfresh
06-20-2018, 02:01 PM
It seems the pResident is flipping and will sign executive order banning separation families...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMrc5QmhF4Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioQ_VRcf3jA
Nitro Express
06-20-2018, 05:18 PM
Nobody is talking why President Clinton signed the law of separating children from adults. It was to protect the children. People claiming to be parents were actually trafficking children and the children were being molested when kept with adults. In all this media hysteria that was never mentioned and it was a law passed by the congress and signed into law by the president for a good reason. With modern DNA testing parenthood can be verified and families can be reunited. What's ironic is Trump told the congress to change the law if they wanted. The never Trumpers in congress easily could have come up with a veto proof majority but no it's all about making the president look bad. Ironically you have a president saying it's not his responsibility and tells congress to come up with a law. Congress refuses their constitutional responsibility and due to media pressure the president is pressured to act more authoritarian by issuing an executive order. This whole thing has been a joke. Now children are going to be more at risk for being molested and trafficked. All over a political stunt. What's the next one going to be? Trump's approval rating will remain the same and all this will be forgotten in a few weeks. Onto the next pooch screw.
Seshmeister
06-20-2018, 05:45 PM
What are you talking about?
There is no federal law that stipulates that children and parents be separated at the border, no matter how families entered the United States. An increase in child detainees separated from parents stemmed directly from a change in enforcement policy repeatedly announced by Sessions in April and May 2018, under which adults (with or without children) are criminally prosecuted for attempting to enter the United States.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/07/tougher-us-border-enforcement-policy-to-separate-more-families.html
A strict new enforcement plan by the Trump administration will mean more parents caught illegally crossing the U.S. border will get prosecuted and separated from any children accompanying them.
"I have put into place a zero tolerance for illegal entry on our southwest border," said Attorney General Jeff Sessions in remarks Monday at the San Diego border. "If you cross the border unlawfully, then we will prosecute you. It's that simple."
Added Sessions, "If you smuggle illegal aliens across our border, then we will prosecute you. If you are smuggling a child, then we will prosecute you. And that child maybe separated from you as required by law."
Sessions said the U.S. Department of Homeland Security would now be "referring 100 percent of illegal southwest border crossings to the Department of Justice for prosecution. We need legality and integrity in our immigration system."
It could not be any clearer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjN3hw4B1Kc
https://i.imgur.com/BjlWL4M.png
Nitro Express
06-21-2018, 12:25 AM
What are you talking about?
There is no federal law that stipulates that children and parents be separated at the border, no matter how families entered the United States. An increase in child detainees separated from parents stemmed directly from a change in enforcement policy repeatedly announced by Sessions in April and May 2018, under which adults (with or without children) are criminally prosecuted for attempting to enter the United States.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/07/tougher-us-border-enforcement-policy-to-separate-more-families.html
It could not be any clearer.
Some legal problems here. First of all these people are undocumented. We have no idea if they are the real parents. We don't know who these people are and yes it's illegal to enter the US illegally. That law existed long before Trump. The children are separated for various reasons. To protect them from being abused by adults. You don't send children to an adult prison. If amnesty is declared then adults and children are processed differently. Children are also separated if it's suspected they are being trafficked which is a big problem at the border. Separation of children has been happening under other presidents. This is nothing new. Nobody seemed to have a problem until now.
Nitro Express
06-21-2018, 12:30 AM
What's going to happen is a declaration of amnesty won't be accepted at the border. Also instead of jail or holding children just deport them. Then people will be upset about that too.
Cheeto is a criminal and there's no evidence that Malaria ever had sex with him. Does that mean we should lock "his son" Baron up in a cage, because there's "no proof" Cheeto is his father?
That trafficking bullshit is coming straight out of Rupert Murdoch's ass. Or Joey Goebbels Jr. more likely
https://twitchy.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/stephenmiller.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgLMM04VAAA7V6e.jpg
Seshmeister
06-21-2018, 06:28 AM
Cheeto is a criminal and there's no evidence that Malaria ever had sex with him. Does that mean we should lock "his son" Baron up in a cage, because there's "no proof" Cheeto is his father?
Very easy to check though.
The child will carry the number of the beast somewhere on his body, perhaps on his scalp hidden under the hair.
ZahZoo
06-21-2018, 08:20 AM
What are you talking about?
There is no federal law that stipulates that children and parents be separated at the border, no matter how families entered the United States. An increase in child detainees separated from parents stemmed directly from a change in enforcement policy repeatedly announced by Sessions in April and May 2018, under which adults (with or without children) are criminally prosecuted for attempting to enter the United States.
It could not be any clearer.
If you dig deeper than the current, exaggerated media frenzy... the picture is not very clear at all. The amount of separations is less than 10% caught at the border daily. The time of separation predominately is less than 72 hours.
But here's a simple example that would produce the same result even in your country and most others...
Pack your kids up and drive to a neighboring town. Just you and your kids. Commit a misdemeanor type of crime in the presence of your children which results in you, the adult, being arrested/detained. Do your kids get to accompany you into whatever jail or detainment facility while you are held to be cited, processed and formally charged with your minor crime..?
Seshmeister
06-21-2018, 10:44 AM
Pack your kids up and drive to a neighboring town. Just you and your kids. Commit a misdemeanor type of crime in the presence of your children which results in you, the adult, being arrested/detained. Do your kids get to accompany you into whatever jail or detainment facility while you are held to be cited, processed and formally charged with your minor crime..?
It's an argument or an attempt at justification I've seen but it falls to bits when you think about it. There is a reason that this treatment seems unusually cruel and inhumane.
In your example my kids would not be separated for an unspecified long period of time. I would be out in hours not days or months.
There would almost always be some other person a relative or friend who could and would be called to collect them.
The numbers would be different unless suddenly 2000 people turned up and did the same at the same neighboring town. This is important because they could be carefully looked after not processed into a cage.
And finally the fact a government says something is a crime doesn't make it one morally - what if it was a crime not to wear a large yellow sombrero badge if you were of Mexican descent? It certainly should not be a misdemeanor type of crime to claim asylum and to do so is against international law and treaties the US government has signed.
Nitro Express
06-21-2018, 02:43 PM
Cheeto is a criminal and there's no evidence that Malaria ever had sex with him. Does that mean we should lock "his son" Baron up in a cage, because there's "no proof" Cheeto is his father?
That trafficking bullshit is coming straight out of Rupert Murdoch's ass. Or Joey Goebbels Jr. more likely
https://twitchy.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/stephenmiller.jpg
Canada separates children for the same reason. Maybe you should read up on human trafficking. It's a huge problem. In a few months you people will be bitching about something else. Focus on who you are going to run for office and come up with some kind of strategy. Crying about losing is getting old.
Nitro Express
06-21-2018, 02:50 PM
If you dig deeper than the current, exaggerated media frenzy... the picture is not very clear at all. The amount of separations is less than 10% caught at the border daily. The time of separation predominately is less than 72 hours.
But here's a simple example that would produce the same result even in your country and most others...
Pack your kids up and drive to a neighboring town. Just you and your kids. Commit a misdemeanor type of crime in the presence of your children which results in you, the adult, being arrested/detained. Do your kids get to accompany you into whatever jail or detainment facility while you are held to be cited, processed and formally charged with your minor crime..?
It's all political banter. Once this blows over they will look for something else to exaggerate. The Democrats are looking like real fools right now and if they don't start running people middle America can tolerate they will continue to lose national elections. Also this could be noise to cover what came out in the IG Report. The FBI was meddling in the last presidential election. They need a distraction. All this noise isn't going to affect Trump longterm. It's actually hurting the Democrats more. All the crooks in the government thought Hillary was going to win. Debbie Wasserman Schultz had it all rigged. Bernie was toast and Trump seemed like a long shot. When Trump won they all started shitting their pants because they don't control the guy. People are worried about going to jail and with that, they pull all sorts of crazy shit to avoid prosecution. You can smell the panic. You can taste it. Only dupes believe what the media sells these days and when you look at our government holistically it all makes sense. Their rigging failed and now they have a president they have no control over. Both parties. Oh Shit! We need to get rid of this guy.
https://i.imgur.com/ktRiHTV.png
Yeah, that's right... the so-called "first lady" is on the way to visit the kids in her Orange husband's concentration camp. and this is what she wears to the occasion....
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgO_JukXUAEbSpT.jpg
Optics, Mrs. Cheeto. Geezus......
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgOxzw_U0AABsSi.jpg
Only thing shocking there is that Jellyfish Pelosi voted against it.
Kristy
06-21-2018, 11:17 PM
LOL! That fucking F A T Orange Blunder trophy wife. Tertiary stage syphilis is also rotting her brain. If there were actually and fucking laws in this country her and her anchor baby son would be separated and deported immediately.
Not to mention her illegal alien parents.
Kristy
06-21-2018, 11:54 PM
I don't give a shit Get that fucking anchor baby out of America.
Nitro Express
06-22-2018, 02:15 AM
You forgot to call the first lady a communist. Her father was a member of the communist party. Then link that to the KGB now the FSB and Putin. Expand it into a big story. Write it well. Maybe one of the liberal fake news outfits will pay you for it. They are looking for anything before the mid-term election. After the election the market is going to cool.
Seshmeister
06-22-2018, 06:56 AM
Looking for anything?
You think her wearing that coat was in any way normal?
Seshmeister
06-22-2018, 06:56 AM
https://media.giphy.com/media/5w2dmC4ImQ9J6mBSOW/giphy.gif
Nickdfresh
06-22-2018, 09:23 AM
You forgot to call the first lady a communist. Her father was a member of the communist party. Then link that to the KGB now the FSB and Putin. Expand it into a big story. Write it well. Maybe one of the liberal fake news outfits will pay you for it. They are looking for anything before the mid-term election. After the election the market is going to cool.
Or an illegal immigrant that took 'Merican jobs without having a proper visa?
Or all of the Polish illegals he used has outrageously underpaid construction workers at his failed casinos?
https://us-east-1.tchyn.io/snopes-production/uploads/2018/06/stephen_miller_parents_meme.jpg?resize=733%2C412
You forgot to call the first lady a communist. Her father was a member of the communist party. Then link that to the KGB now the FSB and Putin. Expand it into a big story. Write it well.
Pooty reportedly told Cheeto that Russian prostitutes were the best hookers in the world. Maybe he's the one who set Malaria up with the Orange Imbecile in the first place. Or if not Pooty himself, possibly one of these Russian mafia thugs whose money Cheeto is laundering.
http://www.trumphotels.org/
https://i.imgur.com/wzasznE.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CuuQlIf3sM
ZahZoo
06-24-2018, 08:37 AM
I'm disgusted with all of the outright fabricated and disingenuous outrage this issue is generating... Seriously, stop it.
I fully understand the emotional chord being struck with separating family members. But 99% of the people screaming about this have no first hand experience in the realities of the southern border, the people involved and what really goes on there today and in the recent past on both sides of the border.
I challenge anyone who hasn't been to the border area in Texas or Arizona to go spend 48 hours in a border town. Cross over and take a few hours walking tour and just causally look slightly beyond the nice and relatively safe tourist areas. Talk to some locals about regular life and listen to the harsh realities surrounding them. Then honestly assess to stark differences on each side of that border... you can't miss it visually nor even the contrast in smell...
Not much more than a football field separates average American life and 3rd world filth/hell. The contrast is one hell of an eye-opener... But you will instantly see that if you have any sort of trouble with the law you sure as hell better hope it's on the US side if you want any sort of humane treatment.
Kristy
06-24-2018, 10:09 AM
But 99% of the people screaming about this have no first hand experience in the realities of the southern border, the people involved and what really goes on there today and in the recent past on both sides of the border.
Dude, just do yourself a favor and shut the fuck up, okay? I'm disgusted by your white male privileged behavior that living in pig-ignorance is bliss. If you want to know the real reason why a "football field" separates us from all the "filth" is because shit-fer-brain artards like yourself and the shit your support made it that way. Decades of exploitation and theft of resources, slave labor, illegal drug and human trafficking and US-led puppet dictatorships have made it that way. If you have been to the border like you claim (and you haven't so stop with the bullshit) then you have also seen this but I guess you're too fucking busy cock-choking on your WalMart Cheerios to have noticed.
Kristy
06-24-2018, 10:26 AM
Oh, and congrats! You have selectively passed slave FORD as Artard of the Year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe9-dnJjP0U
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