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  • Full Bug
    Crazy Ass Mofo
    • Jan 2004
    • 2915

    Bret Hart Slams Ric Flair

    Bret Hart responds to Ric Flair



    I’m sure that if wrestling fans will give some thought to what I’ve
    written here, you’ll find it to be more accurate and far more interesting than
    Ric Flair’s book.

    I don’t know if I’m more infuriated or disappointed by the derogatory
    things he wrote, not just about me, but about other hard working members of
    the wrestling fraternity, like Randy Savage and Mick Foley. I wasn’t going
    to comment because I didn’t want to promote Flair’s book for him, but as has
    become usual in wrestling the truth is getting rewritten again and I’m one of
    the few guys who is trying to preserve an accurate chronicle of the wrestling
    of our era.

    It bears mentioning that if I didn’t have some measure of respect for
    Flair his comments wouldn’t have phased me one way or the other. Sadly, the
    way he has jumped to erroneous conclusions and put them out there for the
    public as the truth has eroded whatever respect I had for him. Everybody has a
    right to their opinion, but in my view a valid opinion should be backed up by
    facts.

    Yes, I did make some unflattering comments about Flair and Hogan back
    in the early 90’s. I then rethought what I’d said and in the interest of doing
    business with them, for the greater good of the business, I made a sincere
    effort to apologize to both of them, publicly and privately. They each shook
    my hand and told me not to worry about it and that it wasn’t an issue, but when
    I got to WCW I was never given any kind of a chance and whether either one
    or both of them was behind it I’ll probably never know, other than hearsay.

    Now, years later, Hogan and Flair have both spoken inaccurately about me and
    have tried to debunk and minimize my contributions to a business that I was
    born into and have devoted my life to with deep passion and dedication.

    Wrestling wasn’t just a job for me, it was the only way of life I knew long before
    either Hogan or Flair laced up a pair of boots and took their first wrestling
    lesson to see what it was like.

    Never, in all my life, have I ever been so infuriated by ridiculous
    statements made about me. Perhaps they were purposely designed to get my
    response and sell more books, who knows. Who cares?
    Flair talks about how I could be the president of my own fan club. All
    I can say is, he’s one to talk!

    Self promotion was an intricate key to any
    wrestler making it in the business. He convinced a legion of fans that he
    was the best in the business - and there’s nothing wrong with that. He even
    convinced himself. But his peers, the guys who worked with him night after
    night, know better. How could any fan know what kind of a worker Ric Flair
    really is without actually working with him?

    Flair says that I believed my own press and convinced myself that I’m
    the best there is. When I boast about being the best there is, it is because
    of three reasons. The first and most important is that I never injured any
    wrestler in any way despite my physical style. This is something in which I
    take a lot of pride and I don’t know of anyone, who worked a schedule on par
    with mine for as long as I did, who can truthfully make that same claim. The
    second reason is that in the fourteenyears I was with the WWF, often wrestling
    three hundred times per year, I missed but one match - and that was due to a
    canceled flight. Again, I don’t think there is anyone who worked that schedule
    who can truthfully make that claim. Everyone on the road worked hard but I
    was proud to be counted among the handful of guys with an exceptionally
    dedicated work ethic. The third reason is that throughout my career I never once
    refused to put over a fellow wrestler - except at Survivor Series ‘97.

    In a
    conversation that I had with Shawn Michaels three weeks before Montreal, when I
    was champion, I told him that despite our differences, I wanted him to know
    that he was safe working with me in the ring and that I had no problem
    whatsoever putting him over. Shawn’s exact words to me were, “I appreciate that,
    but I want you to know that I’m not willing to do the same thing for you.” This
    was just plain unprofessional. Putting him over would have condoned his
    disrespect, not just for me but for the honor of old school ways. Vince told me
    that I could leave any way I liked, not to mention the fact that I had
    contractual creative control for my last thirty days. The idea for him to beat me in
    Canada was solely conceived to ruin me as a commodity in my home country where
    WCW had big plans for me. Not to mention that when Shawn Michaels mocked
    fornicating with the Canadian flag in the middle of the ring it went beyond
    being personal to me, my fans, and my country!

    I remember Ric Flair and Bobby Heenan coming up to me in the
    dressing room in Nashville on May 6, 1989. I was in the Hart Foundation at the
    time and Flair told me he was honored to shake my hand. I had never seen him
    work. Being on the WWF road schedule made it nearly impossible to catch any
    wrestling matches on TV because we were almost always working or traveling when
    wrestling was on. From what little I did see of the NWA my impression was that
    their TV show at that time was poorly produced and made the wrestlers come
    off as second rate. Despite that, I’d been lead to believe, like everyone
    else, that Ric Flair was the best in the business. I always wondered, if he was
    the best why wasn’t he in the big league WWF? His popularity at that time
    was largely concentrated in the deep south. I appreciated his compliment and
    hoped I might have the chance to work with this legend some day.

    About a year later Flair was head booker at WCW and he made me an offer
    to come work there for money good enough that I had to seriously consider it.
    As it turned out, Flair was unable to back up his offer and the deal
    fell through when he nervously reneged. I lost respect for him and his word and
    smartly chose to stay put in the WWF instead.

    Eventually, Flair showed up in the WWF with the WCW belt and I was
    somewhat surprised when he shamelessly crapped all over the history of the
    territory that made him by not giving them their belt back. To this day I don’t
    know what would make him hurt his fellow wrestlers and their struggling company
    like that. I admit I don’t know all the facts on this so I won’t comment
    any further about it, and Ric should have done the same with me.

    Flair was trumpeted into the WWF with great fan fare and at last, one
    night in New Haven, I was thrilled to defend the IC belt against this great
    legend in an unscheduled dark match that was taped for Coliseum video. I knew
    more about ring psychology and real wrestling at the ripe age of nine than Ric
    Flair knew in his entire lifetime yet out of respect I let him lead the match.
    Ric suggested a finish that called for me to do a flying cross body where he
    would subsequently catch me and stagger backwards with the two of us toppling
    over the top rope only to be counted out for the finish. It was a simple but
    risky move that I’d done countless times before with lesser wrestlers but at
    the end of the match when I dove into Flair he stood too far from the ropes,
    mistimed it , and he simply didn’t have the strength to catch me so we fell
    down in an embarrassing heap. Ric suddenly came up with a new make shift finish
    that, not surprisingly, benefited him and not me. It absolutely stunk but
    these things sometimes tend to happen when two wrestlers work together for
    the very first time.

    Although the match had been taped and can still be seen
    today I wasn’t going to make any kind of a big deal about it, but back in
    the dressing room I was annoyed to hear Flair painting out to everybody that
    somehow I had messed up the finish, implying that I was still a young up and
    comer. If you understand wrestling, you know that all I could do was dive
    into his arms and the rest was up to him. He proved to me, right then, that he
    was full of it and was no legend at all.

    Ric was an old fox that took such liberties every time he thought he
    could get away with it. You’ll find nary a wrestler that would describe me,
    Savage or Foley as back stabbers or sneaky liberty takers, but with Flair you
    better take a number!

    I remember Flair worked with Randy Savage who, like me, was lead to
    believe the same crap about how great Flair was when they had a Saturday
    Night’s Main Event TV match in Hershey on September 1, 1992. He somehow
    became WWF champion and Vince McMahon carefully constructed an elaborate storyline
    for this very important match. I was standing right next to Vince watching
    the match live on a backstage monitor when Vince blew his stack as he watched
    Ric do absolutely nothing he told him to do. Ric has never been able to do
    anything but his one routine match, which consists of cartoon high spots
    borrowed from Jackie Fargo and midget wrestlers, along with an assortment of tired
    old ripped off Buddy Rogers high spots. My dad always called Flair a
    “routine man” - because he did the exact same routine every night, every where,
    and was forever stuck with it. An angry Vince met Flair as he came through the
    curtain and he furiously ordered both Flair and an exasperated Randy to march
    right back out and redo the entire match the way he’d told them to do it!

    Even then, as I remember it, Flair was still unable to impress Vince.
    Personally, I would have been shamed with embarrassment to ever put the promotion,
    myself, or my opponent through such a farce! I recall telling Randy that I
    thought Flair was ‘thirty minutes of non stop non psychology’ and Randy
    shook his head and laughed along with me at how true it was.

    I can tell you first hand that Ric Flair was not a great worker at
    all. Yes, he did hilarious interviews but, to my taste, I never thought a
    world champion was supposed to be hilariously amusing. Granted, Flair was
    entertaining to watch - and there’s nothing wrong with that.

    In fact, much like
    Hogan, Flair’s magnetism and charisma distracted from and offset his limited
    ability in the ring. The single greatest contribution that Flair ever gave to
    pro wrestling was the wooo from his silly chops. First off, chops hurt - and in
    my opinion they look like crap.

    For Flair to demean Randy Savage and Mick Foley is outrageous! In my
    opinion, as someone who has worked with all three of them (and everybody else
    from that era too) Ric Flair couldn't even lace up Randy and Mick’s boots!
    They were both hard workers and exciting innovators who at least made every
    possible effort to put on some kind of a different show from night to night.
    Either one of them could call a great match any time they wanted. So what if
    Randy wanted to put in an even greater effort by designing a great match in
    excessive detail? That is a quality, not a flaw, and Flair is too lost in time
    to grasp it.

    Sure Flair could call a match, the exact same one over and over,
    talking and telegraphing every move! I can also say that Ric was a blatant
    expose every time he cut himself. “Hey look, Ric Flair’s blading! ...”
    Some great pro! If old time shooters like Ed Strangler Lewis or Frank Gotch
    were to look down from the heavens I’m sure they’d be more impressed with Randy
    and Mick’s realism and psychology than Flair’s phony chops and upside-down
    flips into the corner, where amazingly he somehow landed right on his feet! -
    only to jog down to the next corner - where he climbed right up and - even
    more amazingly - took ten or fifteen seconds to maneuver his opponent’s hands
    carefully onto his chest so he could take a phony beal back into the ring!

    If done on rare occasions, such silly routines, because they are highly
    amusing and entertaining, often go undetected for how ridiculously phony they are.

    But this pathetic routine was performed every time Flair went blank, and let
    me tell you, he went blank all the time!

    As for Ric’s criticism of how my comeback was repetitive, all I can
    say is that I felt that, logically speaking, why wouldn’t I break into my
    patented arsenal of best moves before going into my finish? I did, in fact, change
    it up from time to time, but I also recognized that most fans completely
    understood what I was doing. It made as much sense as doing the same finishing
    move every night, except my finish was a series of moves. The fact that Ric
    took exception to this is a simple example of his inability to fully understand ring psychology.

    The day after I wrestled Davey at Wembley at Summerslam ‘92 in front
    of 86,000 fans I flew to Baltimore. They were playing a tape of the show in
    the hotel bar and I was watching a tape in my room when there was a knock at my
    door and low and behold both Randy and Flair stood there beaming. They each
    shook my hand and I remember Flair excitedly grinning and praising me saying,
    “Brother, that was the greatest match I’ve ever seen. The greatest!”

    For Ric Flair to say that I wasn’t a draw is just plain ridiculous. I’m
    very sure that I sold enough tickets throughout my career. Who is he kidding?
    Everyone knows that most of the time WCW wrestlers worked in front of empty
    chairs in empty arenas. All one has to do is watch Flair’s DVD to see the
    empty seats and the exact same match with every opponent, whatever their shape or
    size. After Vince made him redo his SNME match his days were numbered in
    the WWF because he clearly wasn’t what he was cracked up to be.

    Six weeks
    later Flair was told to lose the belt to me in Saskatoon on October 12, 1992. As
    I understood it, Flair declined putting me over on TV, despite the fact
    that he himself had just told me that Wembley was the best match he’d ever
    seen ! Let alone that I was the biggest draw the WWF had in Europe and all the
    foreign markets, consistently main eventing in front of, not sold out
    buildings, but entirely sold out tours! And I had a very strong following in
    North America too. The WWF was reeling from sex and steroid scandals at that
    time and I was seen as a safe bet to carry the belt, in large part, because I
    worked hard and I kept my nose clean. When I won the title in Saskatoon that
    night I came back to the dressing room with a dislocated finger and a rolled
    ankle, both as a result of Ric failing to tell me what he was doing in the
    ring. (I generally never got hurt.)

    I worked with Flair every night for a while after that and I finally
    went to Vince totally exasperated and told him that I thought that Ric was
    intentionally sabotaging my matches every night since I’d won the belt. To be
    honest, Ric always worked hard but nothing he did in the ring ever made sense.
    Just when he’d masterfully worked my leg he’d suddenly grab a headlock and
    call a long series of running high spots! Just when we had the crowd ready to
    burst he’d call some lame spot that would kill all the heat we’d built up and I
    forever found myself shaking my head at how we’d have to build it up all over
    again. Most of what Ric called made him look like a world beater and in some
    matches I’d blast him with fifteen or twenty terrific looking working punches
    only to see him never go down but then finally wobble and take one of his
    pathetic and comedic face bumps. Sometimes he’d do his upside-down flip into
    the corner two or three times in a row and in one match, only days after I won
    the title, he called for a small package out of a figure four and pinned
    himself without even giving me a comeback! When I finally went to Vince he scolded
    me and told me that I was his champion and from here on in to take charge of
    my matches - and that Flair wasn’t as good as he was cracked up to be! I was
    trying to respect Ric at the time but since he was heading back to WCW I
    had no choice but to take control. Ric apologized to me saying he was having
    problems at home but today he’s telling some bullshit story about Charles
    Barkley and the Ultimate Warrior.

    A few months later, when I found out I’d be having a one hour marathon
    match at the Boston Garden with Ric, I came up with a brilliant storyline
    that I ran by Vince, who loved it. When I ran it by Flair in the dressing room
    the night of the show he immediately interrupted me and began telling me what
    we were going to do instead. I finally had to cut him off and sadly dress him
    down in front of several wrestlers saying, “Ric, I’m the champion and this is
    how it’s going to go.” He dropped his jaw, turned red, and took his seat,
    saying, “You’re the champ.” He never, ever got over it either.

    Scott Hall was
    there and often told this story to other wrestlers for years. Sadly, old Ric
    still managed to mess up the timing for every fall, in what I could only see
    as intentional. At the time I was furious to read in Dave Meltzer’s
    Wrestling Observer Newsletter how Ric Flair carried me for the full sixty minutes!

    Ric Flair never carried me, ever! Years later I spoke with Meltzer about
    it and we cleared the air when after hearing my perspective on it he agreed
    that he didn’t have all the facts and told me that he’d never seen the Boson
    match, which was reported to him by a fan who was there. If anything, Flair was
    not only notorious for sucking up to the office but generally took liberties
    with his opponents who had been convinced that he was going to make them. If
    you watch Flair’s matches you’ll see that he usually made himself at the
    expense of his opponents , something I was famous for not doing.

    Enough about this so called great worker. He was a three dressed up as
    a nine who left his opponents second guessing their own abilities after
    working with him.

    For shame that Ric Flair should take pot shots at Terry Funk, Mick
    Foley, Savage, me or anyone else. But none of this is what infuriates me the
    most.

    For Flair to denounce me for my role in the infamous Survivor Series
    in Montreal, all I can say is that he wasn’t there and he ignores much of
    the truth when it comes to the facts. The most complete and accurate written
    account of the whole Montreal debacle, for anyone who is interested, is
    available at brethart.com - written by Dave Meltzer. I stand proud with my head
    held high for the way I handled myself and the position I took for the business
    and my fellow wrestlers that fateful day. I find solace in remembering two
    truly great champions, Harley Race and Dory Funk, who did call me up to tell
    me they were proud of me for how I handled myself in Montreal.

    That’s all the
    endorsement I’ll ever need! That’s all I need to say about it.
    Far above and beyond anything else Flair said, it is his comment about
    how I exploited my loving brother Owen’s death that is unforgivable.

    Frankly, this is such a low class blow that it is even beneath him! If he wants to
    take pot shots at me as a wrestler that’s bad enough, but it is reprehensible
    that he would judge me for the way I handled myself in the aftermath of my
    brother’s death. All I can say is that I stood by Owen’s widow through a
    fierce and bitter time, never once failing her or their children. I did what I
    think Owen would have wanted me to do and I answer to Owen’s memory not to
    Ric Flair. For him to say that I fueled the law suit because of Montreal
    is ridiculous and disgusting.

    I think it’s fair to say one had to walk in my shoes to fully comprehend the
    situation and when I put my story into words in a book about wrestling that
    is worth reading only then can anyone appreciate all that I lost and all
    that I gave during such a difficult time. For this asshole to blindly poke me
    in the eye would be like me declaring that Flair showed great cowardice when
    he let Bobby Shane die in that tragic plane crash back in ‘75 !

    Foley , Savage and Bret Hart have been doing just fine outside of the
    world of wrestling. What else has Ric Flair got? I’d like to punch Ric Flair
    right in the nose - but I’d probably have to kick somebody in the ass to do
    it! In the infamous words of Dick Cheney, go f**k yourself Ric and be glad
    that someone like me doesn’t shove your head squarely up your ass someday.

    Bret Hitman Hart
    July 12, 2004, Calgary
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  • Full Bug
    Crazy Ass Mofo
    • Jan 2004
    • 2915

    #2
    This is getting nasty, cant wait to read Flair's book.....
    Diamond Mafia Forever - 4. To restore fullbug to the prominent place in this board, after various serious attacks by hitch1969 have now damaged his reputation and now is reguarded as a "Retarded, Stoned, Canadian, Dog finger bangin' fuckup"

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    • High Life Man
      Commando
      • Jan 2004
      • 1286

      #3
      I bet it's all bullshit just to sell books.

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      • Snoo

        #4
        What would Hart have to gain from that?

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        • High Life Man
          Commando
          • Jan 2004
          • 1286

          #5
          Originally posted by Snoo
          What would Hart have to gain from that?
          Just like every other wrestler, he'll have a book too. This keeps his name in the limelight.

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          • POJO_Risin
            Roth Army Caesar
            • Mar 2003
            • 40648

            #6
            Hart doesn't give a shit...Flair has his rep to maintain....and is the kind of guy that has to step on others to get there...

            Ah well...
            "Van Halen was one of the most hallelujah, tailgate, backyard, BBQ, arrive four hours early to the gig just for the parking lot bands. And still to this day is. It's an attitude. I think it's a spirit more than anything else is."

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            • POJO_Risin
              Roth Army Caesar
              • Mar 2003
              • 40648

              #7
              And who knows...maybe this is a shoot...maybe Hart's going to come back in a managerial capacity...or gm capacity...I don't know...

              He keeps saying no...but who knows...

              there's always an angle...
              "Van Halen was one of the most hallelujah, tailgate, backyard, BBQ, arrive four hours early to the gig just for the parking lot bands. And still to this day is. It's an attitude. I think it's a spirit more than anything else is."

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              • Snoo

                #8
                He has always said he wants one last appearance. We all know how long "one last appearance" lasts in wrestling.

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                • Full Bug
                  Crazy Ass Mofo
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 2915

                  #9
                  "In the infamous words of Dick Cheney, go fuck yourself Ric and be glad that someone like me doesn’t shove your head squarely up your ass someday."
                  Now THATS a promo!
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                  • Va Beach VH Fan
                    ROTH ARMY FOUNDER
                    • Dec 2003
                    • 17913

                    #10
                    Just HAD to make a new wrestling thread, didn't ya Bugger ??

                    I thought I'd only have to tolerate on big ugly one....
                    Eat Us And Smile - The Originals

                    "I have a very belligerent enthusiasm or an enthusiastic belligerence. I’m an intellectual slut." - David Lee Roth

                    "We are part of the, not just the culture, but the geography. Van Halen music goes along with like fries with the burger." - David Lee Roth

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                    • Full Bug
                      Crazy Ass Mofo
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 2915

                      #11
                      Be grateful I dont litter this forum with Wrestling news threads everyday.....
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                      • rustoffa
                        ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 8946

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Full Bug
                        Be grateful I dont litter this forum with Wrestling news threads everyday.....
                        LMAO!
                        Who's the biggest mark? Badguy, Bug, or rustoffa?

                        *reprint*

                        This whole speel by Hart could be a work...fuck,who knows.
                        Bret Hart a legend? No doubt.
                        Bret Hart a complainer? No doubt.
                        Bret Hart's complaints attached to high profile controversial situations? No doubt.

                        I'd be willing to bet all parties involved knew about their "role" in Flair's book before
                        it ever hit the editors desk.

                        I remember reading an interview with Taz after he had been in the WWF for a couple
                        weeks. You can't compare the old ECW ring style with the polished WWF product.
                        The ECW ring was smaller and the motherfuckers hit highspots at breakneck speed
                        (literally). This makes Taz's comment interesting, It was a legitimate "shoot" interview
                        and he said that HHH's ring work was unrivaled. HHH is admittedly the biggest "Flair
                        mark" on the planet. McMahon labeled HHH the "best student of the business" he
                        has ever seen.

                        I could care less if Hart's comments aren't a "work", although I'm sure they are to
                        arguable degrees.

                        Ric Flair has wrestled everybody considered anybody over the years.
                        Some say his feud with Steamboat produced some of the greatest matches
                        in history.....and Ricky Steamboat is a LEGEND.

                        Flair wrestled Von Erich, and in my opinion put on a clinic. Von Erich gushed
                        about the experience.

                        Harley Race, Larry Zybisco, Magnum TA, Nikita Koloff (the blueprint for Goldberg),
                        Billy Graham....the list goes on.

                        Ric Flair was working with legends when Bret Hart was climbing out of the dungeon.
                        He's still taking bumps today.

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                        • POJO_Risin
                          Roth Army Caesar
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 40648

                          #13
                          excellent post...

                          and excellent assessment of Nikita..."The Russian Nightmare," whom they ruined by turning him into a face IMO...

                          man...that feud he had with TA was outstanding...the 7 match series during the Great American Bash (which was an entire summer event at the time)...

                          outstanding stuff...
                          "Van Halen was one of the most hallelujah, tailgate, backyard, BBQ, arrive four hours early to the gig just for the parking lot bands. And still to this day is. It's an attitude. I think it's a spirit more than anything else is."

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                          • Big Troubles
                            ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                            • Feb 2004
                            • 8512

                            #14
                            Originally posted by POJO_Risin
                            excellent post...

                            and excellent assessment of Nikita..."The Russian Nightmare," whom they ruined by turning him into a face IMO...

                            man...that feud he had with TA was outstanding...the 7 match series during the Great American Bash (which was an entire summer event at the time)...

                            outstanding stuff...
                            Nikita in the 80's was great. But Nikita of the 90's was fucking horrible.
                            Magnum TA was good to great as a performer and he would've been great as Main Event level.


                            Flair will always be 'the man' in wrestling. Hulk, Bret, Savage, Steamboat, Sting, Andre and Piper will always be closely behind... Hart is jealous of Flair's success as a performer without alot of wrestling skill. He made it with just charisma and ring stature, whereas Hart bled wrestling skill after wrestling skill every night without achieving the same status, that's all it is.
                            "FUCK YOU, YOU FUCKIN' BITCH! WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE ANYWAYS? TALK TO ME LIKE THAT? FUCK YOU. DRAG QUEEN LOOKIN' WHORE- YOU AINT SHIT. YOUR THE FRECKLE TO THE LEFT OF MY BROWN EYE. NOW GO MAKE YOURSELF USEFUL...OH, PUT DAD ON THE PHONE"

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                            • Snoo

                              #15
                              Feuding with Michaels didn't exactly help him. If ever there was somebody a hundred times more exciting, a hundred times more charismatic, and a hundred times more of a crybaby, it was Shawn Michaels. Poor Bret had nothing left after being revealed in that feud.

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