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FORD
07-16-2004, 10:28 AM
GOD AND THE DEMOCRATS (http://www.thestranger.com/2004-07-15/city6.html)
Which Candidate Really Has a Religion Problem?
by Sandeep Kaushik


Let me tell you the story of a wide-eyed boy who loved God. He was a child born to privilege and packed off to boarding school, where he curbed his loneliness by drawing comfort and sustenance from his church. As an 11-year-old, he wrote letters to his sister reminding her to say her prayers. He eagerly participated in the Sunday rituals of his Christian faith. He helped the men who ministered to his flock with their pastoral duties, and his devotion to them was so great that he briefly considered joining the clergy. Instead, he grew up to be a successful politician who ran for president.

His name is John Forbes Kerry.

The people who claim to know about these sorts of things keep telling us that Kerry is the presidential candidate with a religion problem. New York Times columnist David Brooks recently wrote a column pointing out that while Bill Clinton "exudes religiosity," a Time magazine poll revealed that only 7 percent of Americans consider Kerry a man "of strong religious faith," which Brooks wrote is "mind-boggling" and "a catastrophic number." Steven Waldman made a similar argument in Slate, pointing out that most Democrats are religious even if they don't attend church as much as Republicans, and that Kerry's reluctance to talk about religion is out of step with this. He asked (rhetorically): "Will Kerry's Democrats act like the Party of Secularists even if they aren't?"

There's some truth to the Brooks/Waldman critique of Kerry. Most American voters are religious, of course, and Kerry probably would benefit politically from some sort of soft-focus effort that better explained how his religious convictions buttress his policy views. But it is also worth asking how comfortable voters are with the Bush approach of mixing rigid Christian precepts with government policy in a pluralistic and diverse society, or alternately, with politicians using religion as a political prop to sway the minds of wavering voters.

PBS's documentary series Frontline produced a fascinating look at Bush's religious faith earlier this year. The most interesting comment came from Doug Wead, an evangelical and a Bush family friend. "There's no question that the president's faith is calculated," Wead said. "And there's no question that the president's faith is real. I would say I don't know and George Bush doesn't know when he's operating out of a genuine sense of his faith and when it's calculated."

Wead's admission goes to the heart of what Brooks and Waldman are arguing, because what they are really asking is this: Why won't John Kerry act more like George Bush? Or, to put it even more pointedly, why isn't John Kerry marketing the hell out of his religious faith in order to gain political advantage? Bush, as we know, wears his faith on his sleeve. He talks a lot about God, and has set out to infuse government policy with Christian doctrine. He may not have been particularly pious when he was younger, during the period when he still loved the clink of ice cubes in a highball glass (admittedly, a beautiful sound), but he was born-again after a 1986 talk with the ubiquitous Billy Graham, something he (and his endless array of holier-than-thou surrogates) makes sure voters know.

Kerry does not do this, though the former altar boy does still attend church and take Communion. In this, he appears to be more devout than the majority of Americans. In the Time survey, only 47 percent attended religious services once a week or more. Kerry, in other words, is a man of religious faith. In this, he is probably in exactly the right position with respect to the majority of Americans.

So, in response to Brooks and Waldman, could it be that Kerry is not foolishly blinkered about the role of religion in American society, but actually does not want to sully the essential nature of his faith in a cynical ploy for partisan advantage? Is it not possible that as voters, through the natural progression of the campaign, come to learn more about him, they will come to appreciate Kerry's quieter approach to faith relative to a man who believes that every decision he makes is sanctioned by God? Might it not be the case, the arguments of clever commentators notwithstanding, that the actual religion problem belongs to George Bush?

Wayne L.
07-16-2004, 02:40 PM
John Kerry doesn't know what he believes in politically or what religion he believes in spiritually which means he's out of his mind mentally!!!

Satan
07-16-2004, 02:49 PM
By nature, I'm hardly a spokesdevil for God, or for who does or does not play for His team. But one thing's as sure as the horns on my head....

WAYNE L IS A FUCKING IDIOT!!!

ELVIS
07-16-2004, 03:08 PM
Let's see now...

President Bush is for abstinence...

Kerry is for distributing the morning after pill to high school girls...

Which one lines up with biblical teaching ??

FORD
07-16-2004, 03:37 PM
Let's see now...

Junior claims God told him to bomb Iraq.

Kerry says he would reason together with other world leaders to help heal that torn up country.

Which one lines up with biblical teaching ??

ELVIS
07-16-2004, 03:46 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Let's see now...

Junior claims God told him to bomb Iraq.

Please post something to back up this nonsense...:rolleyes:

Kerry says he would reason together with other world leaders to help heal that torn up country.

The Bush administration exhausted this avenue prior to going to war...


Which one lines up with biblical teaching ??


N/A

Satan
07-16-2004, 05:51 PM
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Satan
07-16-2004, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
Let's see now...

President Bush is for abstinence...

Kerry is for distributing the morning after pill to high school girls...

Which one lines up with biblical teaching ??

Which one lines up with REALITY?

ELVIS
07-16-2004, 08:19 PM
Teaching your daughter to keep her fucking legs closed, and teaching your son to keep his dick in his pants!

Giving the morning after pill to kids is giving them the ok to fuck!

Fuckwad!

FORD
07-16-2004, 08:25 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
Teaching your daughter to keep her fucking legs closed, and teaching your son to keep his dick in his pants!

Giving the morning after pill to kids is giving them the ok to fuck!

Fuckwad!

Did you keep your dick in your pants? And if you didn't, did it matter what the Hell anybody said about it?

Abstinence is a great ideal, but not very realistic.. Access to birth control is therefore logical. Not to mention it would reduce unwanted pregnancies, which reduce abortion, child abuse, and prevent sick twisted cunts like Susan Smith or that fucking piece of shit who set his entire family (including 3 young kids) on fire the other day.

pete
07-16-2004, 08:29 PM
If you guys think there is a separation between parties.

Wake the fuck up.

America, Inc wants you to feel you have a voice. A choice.

Your choice is a one party state masquerading as a two party state.

You want a choice? Change the rules and figure how much choice you had all along.

Democracy is a greek invention.

They couldn't live by it.

It's fragile

...and broken if you ask me.

Now you're clinging to the original concept (america) compromised so gradually, yet thoroughly, you wonder how we got from there to here.

SHUT UP AND SHOP!

Rupert Murdoch has taught you well.

ELVIS
07-16-2004, 08:41 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Did you keep your dick in your pants?

No, but I knew other kids that did...

Abstinence is a great ideal, but not very realistic..

Bullshit! Our local high school has an abstinence club that gets bigger every year. Two of the members are members where I go to church...

It has to do with being active in our local community and making a difference!

Maybe you should look into it...

Access to birth control is therefore logical.

So you agree to Kerry's proposal of giving teenage girls the morning after pill ??

Do you think Kerry is interested in what the parents think, or is his "program" a better idea ??

Fucking idiot liberals...



:elvis:

FORD
07-16-2004, 08:41 PM
I'm fullly aware of Kerry & Edwards' weaknesses and the fact that they have the full backing of the neocon fascist moles in the DLC. But here's the reality of the situation.

The BCE has the executive branch. They have a majority in both houses of congress. It may be possible to win back the Senate, technically, but in winning the election we also lose 2 Senators who are not likely to be replaced by Democrats. .

The media are corporate whores. I get more honest news from the CBC (TV) and The Guardian (newspaper) than any media outlet in this country, and that's sad, but it's not likely to change until these monopolies are busted up. Mikey Powell won't do it.

The biggest issue is the Supreme Court.. Who ever is in the White House in the next 4 years will nominate 2, possibly 3 Supreme Court Justices. A 5-4 BCE appointed majority is what got us in this mess to begin with. A 6-3 BCE court would be almost impossible to stop, and while Sandy O'Connor occasionally sides with the sane side of the court, her PNAC appointed replacement would no doubt have no such freedom of thought. Junior must never be allowed to nominate a single SCJ, period. The future of anything resembling justice in this country demands it.

ashstralia
07-16-2004, 09:17 PM
Originally posted by Satan
By nature, I'm hardly a spokesdevil for God, or for who does or does not play for His team. But one thing's as sure as the horns on my head....

WAYNE L IS A FUCKING IDIOT!!!

why? because he has a different opinion to you?

FORD
07-16-2004, 09:59 PM
Uh, have you read Wayne's tripe?

His Unholiness is 666% correct this time.