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John Ashcroft
07-16-2004, 12:07 PM
Lord Butler's panel released a report this week on the accuracy of Britain's intelligence prior to the Iraq war. It is the latest addition to a list of investigations, including those by former U.S. weapons inspector David Kay and the Senate Intelligence Committee.
None disputes that Saddam Hussein had contacts with and ties to terrorists. None disputes that he possessed weapons of mass destruction (WMD), used them against innocents, desired to resume their production and had capabilities that would have let him do so over time. None disputes his 12-year history of deceit, obstruction of United Nations weapons inspections or material breach of multiple U.N. Security Council resolutions. And no one disputes his failure to prove he had destroyed his WMD stockpiles as required by U.N. Resolution 1441.

In choosing a course of action in Iraq, President Bush had to consider these facts and answer simple questions: Could the international community continue to accept Saddam's 12-year defiance of its will, or would the world be safer if the word of the United Nations were seen to count and have consequences? Could the U.S., in the post-9/11 world, continue to hope for the best from Saddam, or would America be safer with his removal? The president and an international coalition concluded that Saddam had to go, and events since his removal have proved this judgment right. Iraq is no longer supporting terrorists, threatening the region or pursuing WMD.

Our efforts in Iraq have been critical to success in the global war on terror. Afghanistan today is an emerging democracy, no longer providing sanctuary to al-Qaeda. Libya's Moammar Gadhafi has surrendered his nuclear-weapons program. Pakistani scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan's secret nuclear-proliferation network, which sold technology and know-how to some of the world's most dangerous regimes, has been exposed. And the governments of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are U.S. allies in the fight to root out terrorism. All of these developments have made America and the world safer places.

As democracy gains in Iraq and Afghanistan, we are reminded that no democratic nation in the world threatens America. Saddam's removal has advanced peace and democracy throughout the broader Middle East. America and the world are clearly safer with this tyrant in the jail cell he has earned.

Link: here (http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2004-07-15-oppose_x.htm)

Phil theStalker
07-16-2004, 12:31 PM
BOOM!









How safe is dat, Ashy?







The elite Republican politicians and their world bank owning bosses are bringing in the big BOOM on some poor American city and the real Ashcroft knows which city(ies), and he won't be in any of them on the "day."






O1ne more day like 9/11 and see how they run. You can't hide from 300 million mad Americans (i.e., 274 mil for you anal peeps, add the mad illegal aliens Bush&Co. gave amnesty to and you'll have 300 mil mad peeps).

FORD
07-16-2004, 12:32 PM
Making the world a more dangerous place

Ali Abunimah, Electronic Iraq, 30 May 2003

The US "war on terror" has made the world a more dangerous place. So says the human rights organization Amnesty International in its annual report for 2003.
Amnesty International secretary-general Irene Khan
The murderous bombings in Bali, Mombassa, Riyadh and Casablanca dramatically demonstrate that underground groups still have the capacity to attack innocent civilians more or less wherever they please.

While these attacks are most visible, security is being taken away from millions of people all over the world in more insidious ways, especially by governments acting in the name of security. In a message accompanying the report, Amnesty's secretary-general Irene Khan says: "At a time of heightened insecurity, governments chose to ignore and undermine the collective system of security which international law represents. Draconian measures -- by democratic as well as autocratic governments -- to intrude and intercept, to arrest and detain suspects without trial and to deport people with no regard to their fate, weakened human rights protection of individuals as well as respect for the standards of international law."

"Human rights," Khan reminds us, "are not a luxury for good times. They must be upheld, including in times of danger and insecurity." Far from making the world safer, she argues, the greater emphasis on security "has made it more dangerous by curtailing human rights and undermining the rule of international law, shielding governments from scrutiny by deepening divisions among people of different faiths and origins, and by diverting attention from festering conflicts and other sources of insecurity." Now, with world attention focused on Iraq, the failures and lurking dangers in the "war on terror's" first stop, Afghanistan, have been obscured.

Amnesty admits that "there were significant improvements in the human rights situation" in that country after the fall of the Taleban in 2001. But there was much more bad news in 2002.

On the political front, the Amnesty report states that, "the Loya Jirga (Afghan national council) intended to accord national legitimacy to the peace process failed to open up space for democratic debate and entrenched in power many against whom there were allegations of massive human rights abuses." As for security, "the central government had no real control outside Kabul," the capital, resulting in "increased lawlessness, factional fighting and repression, and continued human rights abuses." "Impunity remained entrenched," Amnesty says, and reports of violence, torture, and ill-treatment by warlords and official authorities are common.

The US may be making things worse. "US coalition forces allegedly funded and rearmed militias and those regional commanders crucial to helping their war on terror despite concerns about abuses by these groups," according to Amnesty. And, under the US gaze, "military commanders suspected of past grave human rights abuses were integrated into the transitional administration."

Women's rights, championed by liberal supporters of the Afghan war are in a dreadful state. Back in November 2001, a New York Times editorial gushed: "America did not go to war in Afghanistan so that women there could once again feel the sun on their faces, but the reclaimed freedom of Afghan women is a collateral benefit that Americans can celebrate. After five years of Taleban rule, women in Afghanistan are uncovering their faces, looking for jobs, walking happily with female friends on the street and even hosting a news show on Afghan television."

The changes in women's status were -- forgive the pun -- largely cosmetic. While the Taleban's worst anti-women decrees were formally lifted nationwide, they have been reimposed by individual warlords. In Herat, for example, repressive new decrees restrict women's movement and participation in civil society, and women's NGOs are systematically intimidated and harassed. Throughout the country, Amnesty says, "violence against women by both state and nonstate actors continued. The violence took the form of rape, forced marriages, kidnappings and traditional practices discriminatory toward women in settling tribal disputes." Women found no redress through the inadequate, biased and in many places nonexistent judicial system. Overall, Amnesty concludes, "fears for their personal safety" prevented Afghan women from "participating fully in civil society and denied them the opportunity to exercise their basic rights."

On top of these problems, almost 2 million Afghan refugees have returned home to a country in chaos with collapsed health and education systems, continued drought and insufficient international aid.

Tony Blair, one of the most enthusiastic participants in the Afghan war, promised that, "this time we will not walk away from Afghanistan." Yet he and the world have done precisely that. This is the same Blair, by the way, who affirmed at that time that he would oppose any military action against Iraq unless strong evidence emerged linking the regime to the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.

The situation in Afghanistan is an enormous, ongoing tragedy, but as we watch chaos, disease and insecurity spread in the "liberated" Iraq, the Afghan experience has a depressing resonance. With the UN giving its belated blessing to the US occupation of Iraq, there does not seem to be an international mechanism to hold Washington accountable for the smoldering wrecks its wars leave behind. The most frightening prospect is that new and ever more ruthless anti-US groups will emerge to try to fill that gap, fueling forever this endless global "war."

Phil theStalker
07-16-2004, 12:35 PM
Right on, FORD.

Rite on.

Riot on.



Restoration is just around the corner:D




=PtS=

FORD
07-16-2004, 12:43 PM
The World Today Essay
Making the world more dangerous

Military action isn't the most effective way to tackle Al-Qaeda, says a former top diplomat. Whatever happened to peacekeeping?

More World Today Essays

Marrack Goulding
Sunday July 28, 2002

President George Bush called for a 'war' against terror after September 11. But is war the right way to deal with the likes of Osama Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda? Here a self-confessed 'bleeding heart' answers no to that. It's an assessment based on years in charge of the UN's peacekeeping operations.

The attacks on September 11 were unparalleled in their ingenuity, in their planning and in the political, material and psychological impact they had on the terrorist's enemy. They revealed that a clandestine group could set up a worldwide network and that that network, using modern communications and other technology, could, out of the blue, launch simultaneous and devastating attacks on two cities in the most powerful country in the world. The resources used by the terrorist network - estimated at less than $100,000 - amounted to only a tiny proportion of the costs of more than $400 billion faced by the victim.

The attacks also revealed the disquieting fact that significant numbers of clever and determined people were so hostile to the United States that they were prepared to devote their lives, both metaphorically and literally, to terrorist attacks against it. Osama Bin Laden seemed to be the mastermind but what was his motive? Did he want to drive the US and its allies from the sacred lands of Islam? Did he want to restore Islam to the reputed purity of its distant past? Did he want to become the next Caliph? Or were his motives more secular? Did he want to overthrow the Saudi monarchy and become the ruler of Saudi Arabia? Did he want to liberate Palestine and release Iraq from the burden of sanctions and the daily attention of US and British warplanes? Did he want to be the champion of oppressed Muslims not only in the Middle East but in other regions - Bosnia, Kashmir, Russia, China, the Philippines?

There is as yet no clear answer to these questions. At a conference in Oxford in June, Professor Bernard Lewis said that his analysis of Bin Laden's writings and speeches led him to conclude that his primary objective was to remove infidels from the holy lands of Islam and reverse the humiliation to which Islam had been subjected by the west since the abolition of the Caliphate in 1924. This is a plausible view but it is not yet certain what Bin Laden's real objectives are. What is certain, however, is that he is exploiting Arab and Muslim anger at US policies towards Palestine and Iraq in order to recruit men to his cause on a worldwide scale.

First moves

In the aftermath of September 11, the Bush administration launched a huge effort to discover how this disaster had come about and take action to ensure that those responsible for it were punished and that it would not be repeated.

Initially there seemed to be grounds for hoping that Washington would draw on lessons about how to deal with conflict which the international community had learnt since the end of the Cold War. Much, for instance, was said about the need to clarify what had motivated nineteen educated young men to sacrifice their lives in this way. This implied recognition that conflicts cannot be resolved unless their root causes are addressed. Washington already knew that there was great resentment at American policy in the Arab and Muslim worlds. After September 11, there were signs that the US and its allies recognised that, if future attacks were to be prevented, a more serious effort was needed to resolve existing conflicts such as those between Israel and the Arabs, between the US and Iraq and - though this was not much mentioned at the time - the very dangerous conflict in Kashmir.

It was also said that an international coalition should be created to try to ensure that such attacks were never repeated. This seemed to indicate recognition of the fact that a campaign against an aggressor gains legitimacy and effectiveness if it is carried out by a large and representative group of countries, as was demonstrated by the coalition so successfully assembled by Washington to liberate Kuwait in 1991.

The hope that a similar coalition would be formed this time was strengthened by the UN Security Council's adoption, on September 28, of a US-sponsored resolution requiring all member states to report in detail on the measures they had taken to block the formation of terrorist networks on their territories and the further measures they had in mind.

Military action was, of course, being prepared to punish those responsible for September 11 and to destroy their capacity to launch further attacks, but there was in those early days as much talk of political as of military action.

The wrong road

If these priorities had prevailed, it would have been possible to say that September 11 had to some extent helped international peacemaking by enhancing the legitimacy and effectiveness of the techniques developed since the end of the Cold War to deal with regional conflicts in Africa, Central America and Southeast Asia.

But that, alas, did not happen. The wisdom of the initial reaction to the New York and Washington attacks was overtaken by President George Bush's declaration of a 'war' on terror. This borrowing from the political vocabulary of Israel had a number of unfortunate consequences. It implied that military action was to be the primary response to the terrorist attacks, and that little interest remained in finding political ways of removing factors that had made the terrorist attacks possible. It also implied that, as often happens in war, civil liberties might be curtailed or ignored if this was deemed necessary in order to win the war. That has happened in the US and other countries. In addition, Bush invited states to declare that they were with the United States in its assault on terror. To fail to do so or to question its wisdom or legitimacy was tantamount to supporting terrorism.

This declaration rolled out a bandwagon on to which a number of other leaders jumped. Those who were facing insurrections in their own countries or in territories occupied by them were delighted to be able to say that forceful military action against their opponents was all part of the war on terror.

Finally, Bush seemed to sympathise with Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's position that Palestinian opposition to Israel's occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip is to be characterised as terror. This led him to espouse the view that there can be no negotiation until all violence has ceased. This was, and is, a mistake. It is not the norm to delay peace negotiations until violence has ended. The norm in conflicts which the UN helped to resolve after the end of the Cold War was that talks began while the fighting continued. Fighting often reached its most intense level on the eve of the final agreement. If we had insisted that there could be no negotiation before fighting stopped, there would have been no peace settlement in Namibia, Cambodia, Mozambique, El Salvador, Guatemala or Bosnia. Moreover, if you say that there can be no talks unless violence ends, you are putting the peace process into the hands of the extremists on both sides. It takes only one terrorist to bring it to a halt.

The new context

In all these respects, the US response to September 11 has reflected little of the techniques for the control and resolution of conflict developed in the decade after the end of the Cold War, when the major powers had at last found themselves able to work together in the UN Security Council to resolve a number of regional conflicts.

It can however be argued that the September attacks were unprecedented and quite different in kind from the interstate and civil wars in which the international community developed its current techniques for peacemaking, peacekeeping and peacebuilding and that those techniques would not therefore have worked successfully.

There is some force in that argument. September 11 did introduce us to a new and frightening threat and new techniques must be developed to deal with it. But those techniques should not be exclusively military nor should they be applied in a way that strengthens the grievances which facilitated the organisation and execution of the terrorist attacks. It is far from evident that military action is an effective way of destroying terrorist networks. The first defence of democratic countries against such networks should be their domestic and external intelligence services and their systems of criminal justice. It has become evident since September that there is an urgent need in a number of countries to strengthen this capacity.

If proven terrorists cannot be brought to justice because they are not within our jurisdiction, there may be a case for using force of arms to eliminate them. But such actions can easily backfire, as Britain found when its forces killed IRA terrorists in Gibraltar.

It doesn't work

Major punitive operations of the kind which the US and some of its allies have been engaged in in Afghanistan and which Israel is currently undertaking in the occupied Palestinian territories seem even more likely to be counterproductive.

First, as US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld shows us daily, it is difficult to avoid giving the impression that revenge is the primary purpose of the operations.

Secondly, they inevitably cause unintended collateral damage. The technology may be brilliant but it cannot ensure that only proven terrorists are eliminated. The blowing away of a wedding party because someone is foolish enough to fire a rifle in the air just fuels the hatred that led to the earlier terrorism. The arrogance of invading forces and their sometimes brutal treatment of civilians has the same effect.

Thirdly, there is the question of what happens next, after the invading forces have destroyed the institutions of the country or territory that has been harbouring terrorists. If there are no longer any functioning political and administrative institutions, how will it be possible to negotiate agreements to prevent the re-establishment of terrorist facilities? And who will have the authority to implement agreements if these can be negotiated? I am no fan of the Palestinian Authority, but Sharon's systematic destruction of it and its resources has made it even more difficult to envisage the negotiations which Sharon says he wants.

In this context, it is especially worrying that the Bush administration shares its predecessor's distaste for nation building. If Afghanistan is not again to become a haven for international terrorists, it is essential that the country have an effective government which is able to exercise its authority throughout the national territory. What we have at the moment, to judge from the media, is an unstable and probably transient pact between a group of warlords whose ability to use their fighters to promote their political ambitions is under no foreign constraint, except in Kabul. This arrangement is certain to fail. Afghanistan will soon sink back into the political and military chaos that turned it into a haven for terrorists. What the international community, led by the west, needs to do is what it has done in Bosnia and Kosovo: blanket the country with a substantial political and military presence for at least five years - preferably more - until an effective government is in place to provide security and justice for its citizens.

The horrible events of September 11 and the reaction to them of the United States and some of its allies, especially Britain, have disrupted the laborious progress towards developing peaceful means of preventing and resolving conflict between states, or between states and non-state actors, of whom Osama Bin Laden is one. The horrors were different, at least in size and impact, from what happened in earlier conflicts, and if international peacemaking has been hindered by them, the responsibility and the blame clearly lie with the originators of the attacks on New York and Washington.

Nevertheless, the reliance on military action in the aftermath of September 11 has been a major setback for two reasons. It will not stop future terrorist attacks. On the contrary, it is likely to stimulate them by fuelling hatred and the desire for revenge. It has also returned us to the age of Ronald Reagan, when military action was the favoured response to trouble in the third world and political action, if considered at all, was a secondary option.

· Sir Marrack Goulding is Warden of St Antony's College, Oxford, and was formerly UN Under Secretary-General for Peacekeeping. He is the author of 'Peacemonger' (John Murray, 2002). This piece is an edited version of a recent address to members at Chatham House.Link (http://observer.guardian.co.uk/worldtoday/story/0,11726,764146,00.html)

John Ashcroft
07-16-2004, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by Phil theStalker

The elite Republican politicians and their world bank owning bosses are bringing in the big BOOM on some poor American city and the real Ashcroft knows which city(ies), and he won't be in any of them on the "day."


Interesting that the richest members of our government are overwhelmingly Democrats...

Oh, and I was flying on a commercial airliner on 9/11. Maybe you didn't hear...

bobthedog
07-16-2004, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by John Ashcroft
Lord Butler's panel released a report this week on the accuracy of Britain's intelligence prior to the Iraq war. It is the latest addition to a list of investigations, including those by former U.S. weapons inspector David Kay and the Senate Intelligence Committee.
None disputes that Saddam Hussein had contacts with and ties to terrorists. None disputes that he possessed weapons of mass destruction (WMD), used them against innocents, desired to resume their production and had capabilities that would have let him do so over time. None disputes his 12-year history of deceit, obstruction of United Nations weapons inspections or material breach of multiple U.N. Security Council resolutions. And no one disputes his failure to prove he had destroyed his WMD stockpiles as required by U.N. Resolution 1441.

In choosing a course of action in Iraq, President Bush had to consider these facts and answer simple questions: Could the international community continue to accept Saddam's 12-year defiance of its will, or would the world be safer if the word of the United Nations were seen to count and have consequences? Could the U.S., in the post-9/11 world, continue to hope for the best from Saddam, or would America be safer with his removal? The president and an international coalition concluded that Saddam had to go, and events since his removal have proved this judgment right. Iraq is no longer supporting terrorists, threatening the region or pursuing WMD.

Our efforts in Iraq have been critical to success in the global war on terror. Afghanistan today is an emerging democracy, no longer providing sanctuary to al-Qaeda. Libya's Moammar Gadhafi has surrendered his nuclear-weapons program. Pakistani scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan's secret nuclear-proliferation network, which sold technology and know-how to some of the world's most dangerous regimes, has been exposed. And the governments of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are U.S. allies in the fight to root out terrorism. All of these developments have made America and the world safer places.

As democracy gains in Iraq and Afghanistan, we are reminded that no democratic nation in the world threatens America. Saddam's removal has advanced peace and democracy throughout the broader Middle East. America and the world are clearly safer with this tyrant in the jail cell he has earned.

Link: here (http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2004-07-15-oppose_x.htm)


I agree, we are safer now :))

Phil theStalker
07-16-2004, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by John Ashcroft
Interesting that the richest members of our government are overwhelmingly Democrats...

Oh, and I was flying on a commercial airliner on 9/11. Maybe you didn't hear...
JA, thank you for pointing out my glaring mistake. I was obsessed with the "version" of the bankers employees currently in the Oval Office (Republicans).

I'm glad I could make you think, and I'm glad you had the "guts" to think, my friend. What we need to do is stop fighting each other and fight the entire wealthy civilian heirarchy, both democrat and republican, and the wealthy liberals and conservative politicians of other Western nations in the path of this freight train called the New World Order by some, by some others, like David Rockefeller, the "One World Government," to quote the grandson of my old Cleveland native citizen, John D. Rockefeller.

It's their vision of human slavery and we'll be better off if we go along.


It isn't going to happen.



P

Satan
07-16-2004, 12:58 PM
Originally posted by Phil theStalker
BOOM!


....on earth as it is in hell
we'll see you get to like it in
ad ad people gonna talk
about ad ad bloody hell and sacrifice you,
your head's on a big display oh,
you're really gonna like it in ad ad
the people gonna talk about ad ad
living hell is not so bad
you bet your life there's gonna be a fight
you bet your life
because the hills have eyes....