Officials: New information points to terror attacks

[lucky wilbury]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Northeast/08/01/terror.threat/index.html

Officials: New information points to terror attacks
Businesses in New York, Washington considered top targets
Sunday, August 1, 2004 Posted: 12:05 PM EDT (1605 GMT)

(CNN) -- Threat warnings indicating that terrorists plan attacks on corporate and financial institutions in New York and Washington are based on new information -- not on previous advisories, officials said Sunday.

A federal law enforcement official said the information, released late last week, suggests "there is a new plan in the works" targeting New York, while a Homeland Security Department official said the nation's capital was also mentioned as a target, although from a different source.

Authorities said that they are not aware of any specific attack time frames.

Homeland Security officials briefed Washington Mayor Anthony Williams on Sunday about the alleged threat against his city.

A New York City official said Saturday there have been weekend meetings of police and Joint Terrorism Task Force members, which include federal agency representatives. The official said city agencies are on high alert.

On Friday, the FBI issued a threat advisory to law enforcement officials in New York. The New York Police Department says commercial and financial institutions and some international organizations were possible targets.

"The New York City Police Department has deployed its resources accordingly," the department said in a statement issued Saturday.

The nation's threat level is at category "yellow," or elevated. But New York has remained at "orange," or high, since the September 11, 2001, attacks.

Homeland Security officials spoke with New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly Friday night and indicated that the attacks might be carried out with car or truck bombs. Sources said the information came from a person overseas.

Federal officials also met with Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge on Friday night and Saturday.

Among the precautions New York police recommended Saturday to companies are:


Consider posting a security officer at the fresh-air intake in heating, ventilation and air conditioning rooms, if they are accessible to the public, and be sure the rooms are locked.


Be wary of visitors who appear lost or disoriented, and people asking directions to sensitive areas.


Challenge and identify maintenance workers when maintenance has not been requested, and watch for unanticipated deliveries.


Quickly engage loiterers.


Thoroughly screen new employees and vendors.


Post clear signs indicating restricted areas, and that persons caught trespassing will be arrested.


Test alarm systems, and include doors to rooftops in the system.

New York is preparing for the Republican National Convention, which is scheduled to begin August 30 at Madison Square Garden.

The Department of Homeland Security has named the convention a national special security event, meaning the Secret Service will coordinate security.

Ridge said in early July that al Qaeda was planning a large-scale attack in "an effort to disrupt the democratic process" before Election Day on November 2.

[FORD]

TRANSLATION: Ve vill not allow any protests of Der Führer's coronation!

Lockdown the cities SIEG OIL!!

[JCOOK]

FORD remember 911--they arent' finished with us yet.

[Cathedral]

Oh he has forgotten, he had already forgotten on Sept 12, 2001 when he claimed the jets were armed with American Missiles.

I swear, the dude should be writing fiction novels. He'd be a freakin millionaire and have movie rights flowing from his rectum.

Conspiracy Sells, and people buy that shit like Hot Cocoa...

[FORD]

NY Mayor Bloomberg just admitted the true motivations behind this fake event....

"We have a finite amount of police resources and will have to deny protest permits to some extent. There is nothing political about this. It is hard to read anything political into this. People should go about their business, however."

Nothing political about this... as long as you don't want to protest the fucking fascist lying pieces of shit.

[lucky wilbury]

:rolleyes:

[DLR'sCock]

Well the numbers of protestors againsthe GOP convention and the Bush admin were to exceed 100,000 people....


Which is pretty damn huge....


Of course that wouldn't look too good for the convention...or election......

[Ally_Kat]

ya know, they don't mention something and it happens and it was a BCE plan to grab control.

They go and mentio something and take precautions and it's a BCE plan to grab control.

FORD, you forgot to bold the to some extent part. Plus you conviently left out the one answer to a question where he said some street festivials were not given permits. Normally, Nassau St and the various streets by the Seaport of closed and there are these flea market/feast type street fairs. There haven't been any. I was curious why there weren't. Now I know why.

[lucky wilbury]

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3.htm
TRANSCRIPT: DETAILED BACKGROUND BRIEFING BY SENIOR INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS ON NEW TERROR THREATS
Sun Aug 01 2004 20:58:13 ET

SENIOR INTELLIGENCE OFFICIAL: (already in progress) it's clear about al-Qaeda's intent, as well as their capability to carry out attacks both here and abroad, but the intelligence effort against al-Qaeda is a painstaking one, one that requires tremendous patience and tremendous effort on the part of many different government agencies and departments. And we had a briefing here several weeks ago regarding the information that we had about al-Qaeda's plans to carry an attack in the homeland this year.

What we have are pieces of a jigsaw puzzle and now we have some very specific, and as the Secretary said, specific and credible information regarding al Qaeda's plans to carry out attacks here in the States. Today's news, today's intelligence, is both a cause for concern as well as, clear evidence of success in the war against terrorism. Because of the tremendous detail and specificity that we've been able to acquire, the collection agencies have been able to acquire, about upcoming attacks. We frequently get this type of information after attacks take place, but this information before these attacks are able to be carried out.

The new information is chilling in its scope, in its detail, in its breadth. It also gives one a sense the same feeling one would have if one found out that somebody broke into your house and over the past several months was taking a lot of details about your place of residence and looking for ways to attack you.

When I went through the information over the past 36 hours the type of information that has been acquired about the target sets here in the United States demonstrates that al-Qaeda is meticulous in its efforts; it is patient in its efforts, and since 9-11 there has been an effort made to ensure that they have the information that they need in order to carry out attacks.

What I want to do is walk through briefly some of the types of information. What we have now is extensive information about the activities that have taken place from a reconnaissance standpoint in terms of collecting information, also in terms of casing and surveillance as far as the types of targets to be attacked, the vulnerabilities, the perceived vulnerabilities, as well as the possible optimal ways to carry out attacks to bring down buildings.

There is detail now available regarding the types of security procedures at some specific buildings; the security checks that are required; the types of security personal at different posts; whether or not these individuals are armed or not; the presence of security officers at these posts at different times of the day; the types of uniforms that they wear; the number of pedestrians in the area, the number of employees in buildings; information regarding potential escape routes for perpetrators of attacks; different points of reconnaissance in order to ensure that they have the full breadth of information regarding the targets; different types of shops that are near by.

There is extensive information now available on the information they've been able to acquire regarding the other facilities in the area, whether they be religious establishments, schools, libraries, hospitals, police departments, fire departments; talks about the different access measures, as far as whether or not there's a physical desk or intercom systems; types of surveillance activities or counter-surveillance activities such as cameras; good places to go to meet employees; good places to go to acquire additional information; the types of traffic patterns that are near buildings; the different types of vehicles that in fact can enter different types of parking facilities; the incline that is used, that exists, as one enters an underground parking facility; the different types of materials that in fact should be brought into different types of vehicles and to address whether or not certain materials can, if detonated, cause, in fact, buildings to collapse; the placement of such devices and bombs to maximize the damage to the architecture of the building.

It identifies also the disadvantages of certain types of plans in terms of the possible dissipation of the force in terms of the size, the height of the building, the height of a ceiling where in fact a vehicle might in fact be detonated. It talks about different means of ingress and egress; how one can get in side buildings. It talks about the configurations of parking lots. It talks about whether or not the parking garages and facilities are close the core of the buildings and near certain offices. It talks about the different types of shops nearby that can provide cover for additional types of acquisition of information. It talks about the number of cars passing different types of targets at particular times of the day.

It talks about the many types of procedures that employees themselves have to use for access to buildings. It recommends the type of material to be used. It talks about the types of techniques. It talks about the types of trucks, vehicles, other types of means of bringing in and bringing close to the targets, explosive devices. It makes reference to the extensive detail that individuals who have been involved in this have been able to acquire from publicly available sites, from various types of information that's available, as well as the types of personal reconnaissance and surveillance and casing that goes on.

So again, from the standpoint of intelligence availability on different types of targets and my experience, the amount of detail available here is such that really provides the different types of organizations involved tremendous insight into what, in fact, al-Qaeda is contemplating and what they already have identified in terms of means of attack.

SENIOR INTELLIGENCE OFFICIAL: I wanted to spend just a moment talking about a different piece of this puzzle. You've talked about the, what do we know, what have we acquired.

There was a question earlier about where this came from. Let me talk for just a moment about how we got here and we know what we know. There's been commentary in the media over time about things like chatter, about acquisition of information off the internet. This is not that kind of information. What this is a result of is the offense we have taken in this war and the disruption of this al-Qaeda adversary.

Over the course of the past three years since 9-11, we've taken out, this is CIA in concert with our law enforcement colleagues, our military colleagues, and our friends around the world, I'd estimate more than 70 percent of the al-Qaeda leadership. And what we have found is a mosaic, an understanding of this adversary that is slowly and steadily coming into focus. It's coming into focus again, not just because of chatter or because of internet information, but because we acquire information from disruptions that allows us to get behind the organization and understand exactly what they're trying to do in some respects just like someone else just described, and this information as I said is the result of disruptions of the organization. I'd make one more comment about this.

The adversary we saw and have seen since the 1990's, the adversary that conducted the operation of September 11th, put in place many plans. It's a very strategic thinking organization. The leadership of the organization, I think, it was very focused and committed to what they were doing. What you're seeing in some cases is the remnants of what that leadership tried to set up years ago, and what you're seeing in response is the manifestation of our offensive disruptions. We are seeing what they put together and seeing it as we take down people, and as we take down what we call documents and other document exploitation.

So as we take out the remnants, the mosaic is coming into focus, and in some sense we have a bit of a good news story today. Disruption has allowed us to get a clarity that we have not had before. So that's a quick picture. I don't know if anyone else has comments to make.

SENIOR INTELLIGENCE OFFICIAL: I'll speak very briefly, but the information that has been received over the last short period of time has really carved out a lot of work for us to do. It's provided us a lot of veins that we are going in collectively. As someone has already said, this is really a success story for all of us and the opportunity for us to be able to take advantage of the intelligence that has been developed and look behind the intelligence to expand and look in other directions is very valuable.

The last three years we've had some extraordinary partnerships that have been developed, not only among those of us agencies that are up here in front of you, but especially the state and local law enforcement agencies and our counterparts around the world. And it's that partnership that's allowed us to get to where we are and that we can now take this information and put it to good use in the areas that Secretary Ridge has mentioned in New York, Northern New Jersey, and Washington, D.C.

We've been speaking directly about this intelligence with Ray Kelly, Commissioner from New York; Chief Ramsey in Washington, D.C.; as well as other individuals in the homeland security law enforcement sectors in those areas as well as in New Jersey. And we'll continue to do that and work in partnership to exploit this information.

SENIOR INTELLIGENCE OFFICIAL: I'd just like to echo the other official's comments here that we are doing our best to get this information out to the state and local authorities and to the private sector here in the United States to inform them about the threat and to assist them in any way that we can and understanding it and dealing with it.

There are many people at work. It's a large team. All agencies of government are involved. We're doing everything we can to clarify the situation and to inform people and you, of course, are a vital part of that and we appreciate that very much. We would like to, kind of leave a thought with you today that Secretary Ridge mentioned, but I'd like to just reinforce before we take any questions you might have, and that is that this information we have now is still developing, and additional information is likely to come into our hands in the next few hours and days and weeks.

We think this is a long term set of problems that we're up against. This is not a flash in the pan, so to speak. So all of us together, everyone who not only serves and supports the American people, but who are the American people, in fact, have to pull together on this one to secure our nation.

Thank you very much.

SENIOR INTELLIGENCE OFFICIAL: Before we have questions I realize we've had a couple of people that may have joined us late. I just want to reiterate that these individuals for the purpose of this briefing are senior intelligence officials of the administration.

QUESTION: Is Homeland Security taking charge of working with the private sector or is the FBI, or is it a combination?

SENIOR INTELLIGENCE OFFICIAL: This is not an intelligence question. I didn't give an intelligence presentation either in my remarks...But keep in mind, there's something we remind ourselves of all the time here, and that is that protection and response are local issues.

SENIOR INTELLIGENCE OFFICIAL: The private sector is the point of the spear, so we can't, you know, we can do so much with this information but at the end of the day it's got to be operationalized by the private sector working with the local cops and the local law enforcement community. So the nexus is right there and we talk about, the Secretary had pointed out some of the specific buildings and the companies that we're interested in, well we're working directly with their directors of security, their CEOs to ensure they've got the right messaging, the right things to do in terms of operationalizing protection plans, you know coordinating with the local law enforcement community so that's really what this represents.

I mean this is a contextual approach toward, you know, identifying the threat, understanding protection methods that can correspond to that threat and ensuring that everybody's got the appropriate resources aimed at the right thing.

QUESTION: Can you give us justification of ...(inaudible).

SENIOR INTELLIGENCE OFFICIAL: I think the indications are that this has been a very long standing effort on the part of al-Qaeda, that it dates from before 9-11; it continued after 9-11 and based on what it is that we are concerned about, we know about in terms of al-Qaeda's plans and intentions that it probably continues even today, in terms of preparations and acquiring additional information that would allow them in their mind to optimize the chances of success.

So I think the scope of the information, the breadth of it, indicates it's been going on for quite some time and it was conducted over an extended period of time, probably by many individuals.

QUESTION: Is that what you believe or does that mean that you think since 9-11 (inaudible)

SENIOR INTELLIGENCE OFFICIAL: I believe that since 9-11 they have been able to acquire additional information on these targets here in the United States, yes, I do.

QUESTION: Have there been recent events that have not been reported that would be (inaudible) that you're talking about of this plot, this plan that would be where this information comes from?

SENIOR INTELLIGENCE OFFICIAL: I don't think I'll get into the details of where it came from. Let me give you two perspectives. The first is we have a strategic backdrop of disruptions that goes back to the take down of senior al-Qaeda leaders like (inaudible) Mohammad and Abu Zubaydah. We have over time developed a clarifying picture of this organization and what they're trying to do to us, strategically understanding them as an adversary. Within the past days, we've acquired additional information that give a remarkable level of clarity and that information is very fresh, but it comes against a strategic backdrop that we've been worried about for a long time.

QUESTION: (inaudible)

SENIOR INTELLIGENCE OFFICIAL: I think that would be a stretch. We have a lot of work to do here. The way we operate is when you start looking at information like this, I guess sort of like journalists, the amount of information that we are going to develop from this and be able to act upon is going to be huge. This for us is a potential treasure trove.

QUESTION: (inaudible)

SENIOR INTELLIGENCE OFFICIAL: Someone else mentioned there is a treasure trove of information that has recently become available against a backdrop of a volume of information that provides insights into the types of people, the types of individuals and where they may be coming from and what they may be going about doing.

And so this is part of that jigsaw puzzle I mentioned about getting intelligence and law enforcement to piece it together to try to identify the actual individuals and it runs all the way, as we know from the 9-11 attack, individuals who were orchestrating it from far off lands to individuals who were in charge of different cells, to the actual operatism of cells. And so this is one of the things that we're trying to do is to make sure we feed all that intelligence in to law enforcement.

QUESTION: How many people do you think are involved in (inaudible) carry out the (inaudible) or is it a different group?

SENIOR INTELLIGENCE OFFICIAL: There's really no way to determine how many people were involved in the actual reconnaissance and casing. I think we know from other types of operations al-Qaeda has carried out overseas that sometimes individuals who do casing and surveillance are actually participants in the operations themselves, to include suicide attacks. In other instances there are individuals who are facilitators only and are not the people who actually carry it out.

QUESTION: (inaudible) sleeper cells or individuals in the (inaudible)?

SENIOR INTELLIGENCE OFFICIAL: Not in my review of the information at all in terms of the information itself right now. Law enforcement is picking up the intelligence and working with it as we speak.

QUESTION: So you're saying you have not identified specific individuals involved in these (inaudible)?

SENIOR INTELLIGENCE OFFICIAL: At this point, as you can imagine, this is on-going intelligence case as well as law enforcement investigative case, and so what might be happening as we speak about specifics and specific individuals or whatever is something that we will not address.

QUESTION: (inaudible) come from the arrests Gadlani and as far as this (inaudible) talk about here today, did you have information on (inaudible) what you found in his pocket or his possessions?

SENIOR INTELLIGENCE OFFICIAL: As I said, I think I would prefer not to discuss a specific source of information except to say that it was acquired pretty recently.

QUESTION: And how significant (inaudible)?

SENIOR INTELLIGENCE OFFICIAL: I've leave (inaudible).

QUESTION: (inaudible) you mentioned documents (inaudible) you saying you recently acquired additional documents related to this (inaudible)?

SENIOR INTELLIGENCE OFFICIAL: No, what I'm saying is as we've looked to understand the al-Qaeda organization, there's a variety of information that we use to understand it. Someone referred to internet earlier.

We certainly try to understand the organization's motivation from public sources, but in addition to what is publicly characterized as chatter, we have a whole, we have a growing wealth of information, whether it be from human sources, technical sources, but also documentary sources that help us get a level of granularity over time that we've never had, and what we're seeing now as you neck down this organization is specificity that in the three years post September 11th we've been fighting this, we have never seen before.

QUESTION: Is it possible this information is tainted?

SENIOR INTELLIGENCE OFFICIAL: You can see the partnership here. We're so closely linked that we're not certain who's going to answer the question. I suspect that the motivations are other than being a partnership, we're trying to dodge the bullets. Can you run that one by me again?

QUESTION: Is it possible this is old information (inaudible)?

SENIOR INTELLIGENCE OFFICIAL: I think I would refer to what an official said earlier. We acquire over the course of time information that dates sometimes pre 9-11 sometimes post 9-11, but what I think what we've seen over the course of time indicates that al-Qaeda remains focused on the United States is what we call the brass ring, and what we have seen of late does nothing to tell us otherwise.

[ELVIS]

RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!!!!!!!!!


AAAAAHHHHHHH !!!!!!

[Viking]

LOL I've learned not to even bother jousting with the tinfoil hat crowd around here anymore, Elvis. It ain't worth the spike in blood pressure. Besides, knowing they're miserable living with their paranoid conspiracy theories is satisfaction enough. :D

[FORD]

So who is this unnamed "senior intelligence official" that Closet Boy Drudge is quoting?

Perle? Wolfoshitz? Feith? One of the other Likud spy PNAC'ers??

I'll take those guys word for intelligence like I'll take Andrew at MelodiCrock's word for Van Halen rumors.

Without a name of a credible intelligence official, words don't mean shit. Not coming from a cabal of proven liars and treasonous criminals.

[Viking]

'Closet Boy Drudge'? Oooooo, FORD, how un-PC of you! Shame! Shame! You'll have to turn in your ACLU card for that! LMFAO :D :D

[FORD]

Originally posted by Viking
'Closet Boy Drudge'? Oooooo, FORD, how un-PC of you! Shame! Shame! You'll have to turn in your ACLU card for that! LMFAO :D :D

I could care less that Drudge is gay. It's just hilarious that a South Florida techno queen like him tries to hold on to this right wing personna. Actually, I'd like to see him and Anndrew Coulter move to Massachussettes and get married. Then maybe the right wingers could get over that whole issue and the BCE would be forced to campaign on their shitty record :D

Like, for instance, if Bush is doing such a good job with the war on the Phantom Terror Menace, why do they have to drag out the orange crayons every other month (when the polls aren't in their favor)?

[lucky wilbury]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5575842/

Pakistani-U.S. raid uncovered al Qaeda cell's plans for attacks

By Walter Pincus and John Mintz

Updated: 11:27 p.m. ET Aug.01, 2004

The fresh intelligence that led to yesterday's extraordinary terror alert comes from documents discovered after Pakistani and U.S. forces broke up an al Qaeda cell in Gujrat, Pakistan, eight days ago, U.S. intelligence officials said yesterday.

One of the men arrested in that raid led authorities to the documents, which contained the startling details of al Qaeda surveillance of corporate and government targets in Washington, New York and New Jersey.

Officials from several U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies huddled virtually round-the-clock Friday, Saturday and Sunday to discuss the fast-emerging information, government sources said, assembling intelligence from the arrested al Qaeda operatives and translating and culling through the documents.

"This is definitely a nail-biter," one law enforcement official said.

The information that emerged confirmed that al Qaeda continues to plan operations and conduct surveillance against targets inside the United States. It buttresses the warnings of law enforcement and intelligence officials that al Qaeda has operatives in the United States and that U.S. financial institutions -- particularly ones in New York and Washington -- remain favorite targets of the terror network.

The news also highlighted a victory for the CIA, which for several months has mounted campaigns, in coordination with allied foreign security agencies and U.S. Special Forces, to attack suspected al Qaeda strongholds in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia, and elsewhere in northern Africa.

It was unclear yesterday whether the new documents, which a senior U.S. intelligence official called "a treasure trove," were plucked from two laptop computers recovered from the hideout in Gujrat where the al Qaeda operatives were arrested after a shootout July 25. But Pakistani and U.S. intelligence officials had expressed great interest last week in the contents of the portable computers, computer disks and cell phones seized in the raid.

Valuable insights gained

The joint Pakistani-U.S. raid netted Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani, a Tanzanian wanted for his alleged role in the 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, as well as five other Pakistani and African al Qaeda suspects. U.S. intelligence sources said the most important new information came not from Ghailani but from one of the other al Qaeda associates, who led them to the cache of documents in recent days.

Senior intelligence officials said yesterday that they do not have al Qaeda cells under surveillance in this country that might have intended to carry out the planned terrorist attacks. Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge said a woman arrested at a Texas airport has no apparent link to the surveillance, though she remains under investigation.

Senior U.S. intelligence officials interviewed yesterday stressed that although the new documents reveal a great deal about the plot against the Citigroup Center in Manhattan, the World Bank in Washington and other financial institutions, equally valuable insights were gained about how al Qaeda operates in the United States and around the globe.

"This greatly advances our understanding of the al Qaeda leadership that has slowly been coming into focus," one ranking intelligence official said. "It gives us a specificity . . . that we've never seen before."

Another senior U.S. intelligence official said the new information comprises a virtual playbook of the tradecraft al Qaeda surveillance teams use. It details, for example, the use of phony couriers and delivery people to get inside the buildings, intelligence officials said.

It also provides fresh insight into the roles of high-ranking leaders who provide overall direction and facilitators who handle logistical details.

Intelligence officials said the al Qaeda surveillance began before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and continued perhaps until recent months.

"This confirms what everybody has known for a long time, that al Qaeda operates on a very long lead time," said Bruce Hoffman, a terrorism specialist with the Rand Corp. "It's also proof of their resilience, since they were able to be doing this even after all that U.S. intelligence and law enforcement has done for the three years after 9/11."

The attack cycle

Surveillance, the first stage of a planned terrorist attack, is followed by planning and operational phases, Hoffman said. "The challenge now," he added, "is to determine when in the attack cycle al Qaeda is. . . . Are the planning and operational cells here also?"

The new information comes amid a summer of warnings from government officials that al Qaeda hopes to disrupt U.S. elections by attacking before November, or possibly around the time of the presidential inauguration in January. But U.S. intelligence officials said yesterday that they are uncertain whether the planned attacks on the financial targets were intended for coming months.

Word of the intelligence bonanza came as the Bush administration prepares to release its proposals for reforming the intelligence community in response to the Sept. 11 commission's report.

The information was given to top intelligence officials Thursday at the regular 5 p.m. meeting in the director of central intelligence's conference room at CIA headquarters, chaired by John E. McLaughlin, the acting DCI.

With representatives around the table from CIA counterterrorism units, the FBI and the Pentagon, operational plans for surveillance and arrests at home and abroad were developed. "There are a whole raft of operations going on right now overseas as well as at home," a senior intelligence official said yesterday. President Bush was briefed aboard Air Force One on Friday morning.

[Bob_R]

Correction on the thread description:


Businesses in New York, New Jersey , and Washington DC considered targets.

[BigBadBrian]

Originally posted by FORD
Nothing political about this... as long as you don't want to protest the fucking fascist lying pieces of shit.


FORD, I think you need to go hide under your bed until the threat has passed. Say January of 2006. :gulp:

[John Ashcroft]

You guys notice that Ford's getting nuttier than usual lately?

I see it as a good sign. One of his party's impending defeat come this November.

[Satan]

Originally posted by John Ashcroft
You guys notice that Ford's getting nuttier than usual lately?

I see it as a good sign. One of his party's impending defeat come this November.

You mortals never cease to crack me up.....

I've witnessed the rise and fall of every regime known to mankind and you know, it's the absolute honest to Hell truth that those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

FORD recognizes the playbook that Junior and his pals are using, because it's only about 70 years old. It's history recent enough that an ancient pointy tailed bastard like myself shouldn't have to point it out to you.

Kids, we aren't talking ancient Babylon reborn here, we're talking Berlin 1936. You've seen the old newsreels of that one, haven't you. Let me tell you, I've got Adolf and the boys right here and they're laughing at the fact that people can be so gullible.... AGAIN!

[Osama Bin Laden]

You have swallowed the lies from the Jews completely.

Think for a minute will you... I am a very wealthy man, as is Little Bush, the servant of Great Satan. The money in these financial institutions is not mine nor is it his, so why would I target such a building?

The Jews are planning a swindle and are trying to blame it on the holy warriors of Allah. They have done this for decades in the east, now they do the same in the decadent western Hell.

[FORD]

It's not "THE Jews", Osama!

Just the Likud neocon traitourous double agents in the BCE.

[Osama Bin Laden]

A Zionist swine is a Zionist swine, infidel!

[Ally_Kat]

either way guys, cross your fingers and hope this doesn't happen or that they intercept it. Dad's at the exchange and Mom's a block away. I don't know what I'd do if something happen to either one or both of them.

[Satan]

The Devil can prove this "alert" is bullshit with one question.

Where is Laura Bush today?

That's right. New York City.

[Ally_Kat]

what part though? Downtown is the one part mainly affected in this.

Then there's the building towards midtown and the one in LIC, but she could have been north in Manhattan and still relatively safe.

[Satan]

Originally posted by Ally_Kat
what part though? Downtown is the one part mainly affected in this.

Then there's the building towards midtown and the one in LIC, but she could have been north in Manhattan and still relatively safe.

But would the SS take that chance with the pResident's wife?

[FORD]

Originally posted by Ally_Kat
what part though? Downtown is the one part mainly affected in this.

Then there's the building towards midtown and the one in LIC, but she could have been north in Manhattan and still relatively safe.

SaudiBank is downtown, isn't it??


Laura Bush, wife of U.S. President George W. Bush, appeared this afternoon at Citigroup Center, one of the targeted buildings, along with her twin daughters Barbara and Jenna, at an event staged for Citigroup workers in the atrium of the 59-story tower, New York's fifth-tallest building. Mayor Michael Bloomberg and New York Governor George Pataki appeared with her, as they chatted with employees selected to talk with them.

``I want to thank people for coming to work,'' Laura Bush said to questions shouted from reporters. Citigroup is the world's biggest financial services company, and its Citibank branches are among the most visible U.S. businesses abroad.

Pickles, the twins, Bloomberg and Pataki all in one location which was an alleged "target"??

I'm calling BULLSHIT on the BCE! :mad:
link (http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=arj.lT5AAc.s&refer=top_world_news)

[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by FORD
SaudiBank is downtown, isn't it??


Saudi International Bank? If so -- nope, midtown on Madison Ave. The same as the Citigroup building. Well, Citigroup isn't on Madison. It's on Lexingtion around there somewhere.

[FORD]

I meant Citibank. I was referring to the fact that Bandar Bush and his relatives own a big chunk of it ;)

[Big Train]

There is a flipside. The lockdown atmosphere might explain why they allowed it to continue on. The president is taking a risk with his wife anyday anywhere. With everyone giving the full court press, I'm sure he felt safe there and whatever plans there were probably were scrapped, at least for the day.

The problem with terrorists is that you never know. Here we kinda knew and by the show of force, like all pussies, they backed off. Which isn't to mean something won't blow up in Jersey tomorrow.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Big Train
There is a flipside. The lockdown atmosphere might explain why they allowed it to continue on. The president is taking a risk with his wife anyday anywhere.

It's one thing to send Pickles downstairs to the official White House Bunker, which is about as secure as you can get. It's an entirely different matter to send her - and your kids - not to mention the 2 biggest politicians in New York- to a supposed live target.

As I said, it doesn't seem likely that the Secret Service would have allowed this, and if Junior actually put his family at risk - but not himself - that makes him look even more like the coward that he is and always has been.

[JCOOK]

Wil somebody get FORD his goddamn methodone pleas?

[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by FORD
It's one thing to send Pickles downstairs to the official White House Bunker, which is about as secure as you can get. It's an entirely different matter to send her - and your kids - not to mention the 2 biggest politicians in New York- to a supposed live target.

As I said, it doesn't seem likely that the Secret Service would have allowed this, and if Junior actually put his family at risk - but not himself - that makes him look even more like the coward that he is and always has been.

but here's the thing. They said there was no time period on this and this date was collected over a period of time. I think there is a time period on this and I think they know more. Hell, you don't tell the public everything when it comes to matters like this. Why? If you were to say it's this guy and he's going to attack on this date, well then he'll disappear and never show up again.

I think there's a date where they expect this to happen, i think it's sooner than later, and I think they are doing what they are doing now as a safety precaution.

[FORD]

The scam has been exposed...it's very obviously meant to keep protestors out of the city for Junior's coronation.

[Big Train]

Ford,

Unless you can confirm your theory by getting an actual live terrorist on the line (using your shadowy "sources") then there is no way you can say one way or another about any of this. It is pure speculation from an outsiders perspective.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Big Train
Ford,

Unless you can confirm your theory by getting an actual live terrorist on the line (using your shadowy "sources") then there is no way you can say one way or another about any of this. It is pure speculation from an outsiders perspective.

Osama was here yesterday. maybe you should ask him? ;)

[Big Train]

I would have thought you would, since you seem to know these things.

If you can't confirm, I must deny your claims of bullshit.

[diamondD]

Really, who the hell cares about a bunch of protesters? What solid purpose do they have? If you want to change people's minds, campaign for your candidate and quit whining.

[JCOOK]

I just got through with my own protest -- Iwent through my house setting things on fire --kicking over furniture dumping trash all over the floor --as for "looting" I took $20 out of my old ladys' purse.
Boy I really showed Bush!