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distortion9
08-03-2004, 10:49 AM
The United Nations has turned down a controversial request by nine members of the U.S. Congress to assign international observers to the U.S. presidential election in November.

The request came in the form of a letter drafted by Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson, D-Texas, and signed by eight other members of the House.

"We are deeply concerned that the right of U.S. citizens to vote in free and fair elections is again in jeopardy," the lawmakers wrote to U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan.

Besides Johnson, the other representatives signing the letter to Annan – all Democrats – were Julia Carson of Indiana; Jerrold Nadler, Edolphus Towns, Joseph Crowley and Carolyn B. Maloney, all of New York; Raul Grijalva of Arizona, Corrine Brown of Florida, Elijah E. Cummings of Maryland, Danny K. Davis of Illinois and Michael M. Honda of California.

Johnson was an early supporter of Sen. John Edwards' campaign for the presidency. Yesterday Edwards was selected as John Kerry's Democratic Party running mate.

"Generally, the United Nations does not intervene in electoral affairs unless the request comes from a national government or an electoral authority – not the legislative branch," said U.N. spokeswoman Marie Okabe.

Nevertheless, the proposal by Johnson and the other members of the House has raised the hackles of Republicans and others who saw irony in the timing of the announcement – just before America's Independence Day celebrations.

"Let me get this straight," wrote Joe Mariani in GOPUSA.com. "A group of Democrats want to bring some people from countries like North Korea, Iran, Syria, China and Cuba – people that have never seen a democratic election in their lifetimes – to sit in judgment on our elections? What kind of voodoo politics is that? The last time a foreign body had any direct influence over the political process of this country, the situation was corrected by a war for our freedom from British rule. Are these so-called Americans so willing to surrender that hard-won right of self-determination now, and to such a shamelessly scandal-ridden group of anti-American dictatorships and terrorist sympathizers? We may as well dissolve the Union now and save ourselves the pain of watching it done for us."

The Democrats said they feared a repeat of the 2000 election, which was won by George W. Bush, a Republican, through the Electoral College count even though he lost the popular vote.

The Democrats had asked in the letter for "international election monitors" to watch for "questionable practices and voter disenfranchisement on Election Day."

The Democratic Congress members wrote that they did not think sufficient reforms had been implemented to prevent another voting debacle.

"As the next Election Day approaches, there is more cause for alarm rather than less," the letter said.

Because the U.N. Charter bars violations of sovereignty, the State Department, or perhaps the Federal Election Commission, would have to invite observers, said U.N. officials. Monitoring would also have to be approved by the Security Council or the General Assembly.

Since the rule of thumb for vote monitoring is one observer for each 100 polling sites, about 2,000 foreigners would have to be deployed from Key West to Anchorage.

Johnson's letter points to "widespread allegations of voter disenfranchisement" in Florida and other states in 2000, and it cites an April report from the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights that found potential for "significant problems" this time around.

"As lawmakers, we must assure the people of America that our nation will not experience the nightmare of the 2000 presidential election," Johnson wrote. "This is the first step in making sure that history does not repeat itself," she added.

The Nov. 7, 2000, election was decided 36 days later when the U.S. Supreme Court made two rulings that stopped Democratic challenger Al Gore's attempt to recount some of the Florida votes. A number of independent investigations confirmed President Bush won the state's 25 electoral votes, giving him a total of 271 to Gore's 267.

Tom Kilgannon, president of Freedom Alliance, a group dedicated to protecting American sovereignty, admonished Johnson and her colleagues.

"Your appeal to the secretary general is alarming and embarrassing," he said. "As a Member of Congress sworn to uphold the Constitution and represent the people of the United States, it is disturbing, to say the least, that you would entrust the most sacred act of American democracy – our presidential election – to an international institution, which is unaccountable to the American people and mired by scandal and corruption."

Kilgannon said the request "undermines U.S. sovereignty, demoralizes American servicemen who are fighting to build democratic governments abroad and sends the message worldwide that the United States is nothing more than a Third World nation unable to police itself."

Stories about the action by the members of Congress appeared all over the world – from Tehran to Uraguay and to China.

ODShowtime
08-03-2004, 11:37 AM
Maybe if Diebold and the Florida election commission (and countless others still unexposed) weren't in bed with the Bushies this wouldn't be a problem. Maybe if there was a higher authority in this country to turn to that hasn't been tainted with corruption we could ask them. Maybe we can all move to somewhere not being taken over by assholes.

John Ashcroft
08-03-2004, 12:24 PM
Sure then.

Which recount did Algore win again?

You libs are pathetic losers.

knuckleboner
08-03-2004, 12:56 PM
hey now. it's 9 house democrats (out of what, 210-some?) there are at least 9 idiot republicans in the house.

if this were anything other than some fringe, grandstanding morons, you'd have more than 9 democrats signed on to the request.

John Ashcroft
08-03-2004, 01:00 PM
OK, I'll give you Arlen Specter... But that's only one (and he's a liberal anyway)...

Big Train
08-03-2004, 01:10 PM
This is the most ridicoulous notion EVER. Why not sign over the Constitution and hire Canada to monitor us at the local level, cause we just can't do it for ourselves anymore.

All of these senators need to go ....today.

JCOOK
08-03-2004, 01:19 PM
Didnt' Arlen come up with "the magic chad" theory

knuckleboner
08-03-2004, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by Big Train


All of these senators need to go ....today.

they were reps, not senators. the democrats in the senate (just like the majority of democrats in the house) aren't complete morons. (though i'll give you, byrd may be close.)


and mr. AG, spector's a senator as well...

if you just want 1, personally, i'll take rep. henry hyde, who declared that his infidelity in his 40s was a result of a "youthful indiscretion."

John Ashcroft
08-03-2004, 02:03 PM
I know, but the house is where the Conservative ideology is being pursued best (that's why I offered Specter, as the Senate Republicans are a bunch of panty-waste wimps).

And for the record, Rep. Hyde is a personal hero of mine... ;)

Mezro
08-03-2004, 02:07 PM
Originally posted by John Ashcroft
Sure then.

Which recount did Algore win again?

You libs are pathetic losers.

I've read many of your posts JA where you call liberals "losers" and was wondering what makes someone a liberal in your eyes?

Mezro...give me a decent answer because I really am interested in your opinion...

knuckleboner
08-03-2004, 02:12 PM
hey now! i actually like 1 of my republican senators. (just 1 of 'em, though...)

John Ashcroft
08-03-2004, 02:27 PM
Heh heh heh... Which one?

You know you're a closet Conservative... A regular "Neo-con" if you will.

I don't buy the "just one" claim.

And Mez, simple. A modern-day liberal is anyone who claims socialism is the answer to all (or any for that matter) societal woes.

knuckleboner
08-03-2004, 02:33 PM
john warner.


i'm not the biggest fan of the other one, george allen. i look forward to seeing him gone (not that i expect it...)

actually, you'd probably hate him as well. some say he won due to a dead guy...;)

(well, not really, but his dad was the late, great skins coach, george allen, sr.)

Mezro
08-03-2004, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by John Ashcroft
And Mez, simple. A modern-day liberal is anyone who claims socialism is the answer to all (or any for that matter) societal woes.

Funny that some people still think that tearing everything associated with government out and starting from scratch is a good idea.

Mezro...liberal = anarchist...

JCOOK
08-03-2004, 04:44 PM
The BCE is just going to send a bunch of rednecks with guns to intimidate minorities and women to stop them from voting.Monitor away.

Wayne L.
08-03-2004, 05:26 PM
All of these liberal radical Democrats who are suggesting the misguided & unhelpful U. N. should monitor U. S. elections should be locked up in a mental asylum or tried for treason for their own stupidity.

knuckleboner
08-03-2004, 06:10 PM
and all of the republicans who voted to change the house cafeteria from "french fries" to "freedom fries," (who numbered a lot more than 9) should be booted out for wasting their time and our taxpayer money, and for making Americans look idiotic.

John Ashcroft
08-04-2004, 08:57 AM
Hey, I like Freedom Fries...

Warham
08-04-2004, 09:45 AM
This is a step in the liberal agenda to get us to the New World Order. First they start by getting the UN to monitor our elections. Then, years from now, in his grand plan of global domination, the Antichrist Bill Clinton will become UN Secretary General, bypassing the US Constitution restricting presidents to two terms. He will then institute his Order with Hillary as his co-General. Mwah-ha-ha.

Ford must love reading these things.

FORD
08-04-2004, 09:59 AM
Originally posted by Warham
This is a step in the liberal agenda to get us to the New World Order. First they start by getting the UN to monitor our elections

It wasn't the "liberals" who corrupted the 2000 election to the point where it resembled an election in Libya or Iraq

Then, years from now, in his grand plan of global domination, the Antichrist Bill Clinton will become UN Secretary General, bypassing the US Constitution restricting presidents to two terms.

1) "William Jefferson Clinton" doesn't work out to 666, so he can't be the Antichrist. However, "George Walker BushJr" does.

2) The 22nd Ammendment doesn't have anything to do with the UN or anyone being named Secretary General of the UN.

3) Why bother repeating Mush Limpdick fantasies? You have to be on Oxycontin like he is in order for them to be amusing.

He will then institute his Order with Hillary as his co-General. Mwah-ha-ha.

Ford must love reading these things.

Yeah, the babblings of Busheep blindly repeating what they hear on hate radio would be amusing.... if it weren't for the fact that you remain willingly blinded to the REAL danger to this country :(

knuckleboner
08-04-2004, 09:59 AM
Originally posted by John Ashcroft
Hey, I like Freedom Fries...

yeah, but with (inferior) hunt's, not heinz ketchup, right?

Warham
08-04-2004, 11:01 AM
Oh, liberals tried to corrupt the election in 2000. Dade County liberals tried to punch enough chads out of ballots so that Al Gore could have won in the 150th recount of the votes.

Thank God the Supreme Court had enough sense to stop the liberal nonsense.

Warham
08-04-2004, 11:09 AM
William=97 Jefferson=400 Clinton=169 = 666
Hillary=248 Rodham=249 Clinton=169 = 666

William = 97
(vav=6, aleph=1, yod=10, lamed=30, yod=10, mem=40)
Jefferson = 400
(yod=10, peh=80, resh=200, samech=60, nun=50)
Clinton = 169
(koph=20, lamed=30, yod=10, nun=50, tet=9, nun=50)

Hillary = 248
(het=8, lamed=30, resh=200, yod=10)
Rodham = 249
(resh=200, dalet=4, hay=5, mem=40)
Clinton = 169
(same as above)

Satan
08-04-2004, 11:24 AM
Originally posted by Warham


Thank God the Supreme Court had enough sense to stop the liberal nonsense.

God had nothing to do with that. Neither did I, for that matter. That decision was bought and paid for by the BCE.

nelson95
09-11-2004, 09:25 AM
The UN should have been involve din that election mess. Any other country , people would have been rioting in the streets but hey it was football season.
One Man, one vote? Its in the constitution.