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John Ashcroft
08-06-2004, 11:38 AM
Sen. John McCain attacked a group of Vietnam veterans on Thursday for their appearance in a campaign ad condemning Sen. John Kerry for betraying his fellow soldiers, calling the commercial "dishonest and dishonorable."

But McCain himself complained about Kerry-led anti-war protests when he was released from the infamous "Hanoi Hilton" 31 years ago.

In piece he wrote for the May 14, 1973, issue of U.S. News & World Report, the POW-turned-senator charged that testimony by Kerry and others before J. William Fulbright's Senate Foreign Relations Committee was "the most effective propaganda [my North Vietnamese captors] had to use against us."
"They used Senator Fulbright a great deal," McCain wrote - a reference to Kerry's 1971 Senate testimony that U.S. soldiers were committing war crimes in Vietnam as a matter of course.

He said Kerry political ally Sen. Ted Kennedy was "quoted again and again" by his jailers at the Hanoi Hilton.

"Clark Clifford was another [North Vietnamese] favorite," McCain told U.S. News, "right after he had been Secretary of Defense under President Johnson."

"When Ramsey Clark came over [my jailers] thought that was a great coup for their cause," he recalled. Months earlier, Sen. Kerry had appeared with Clark at the April 1971 Washington, D.C., anti-war protest that showcased his testimony before the Fulbright Committee.

"All through this period," McCain told U.S. News, his captors were "bombarding us with anti-war quotes from people in high places back in Washington. This was the most effective propaganda they had to use against us."

McCain biographer Paul Alexander chronicled the Arizona Republican's anger toward Kerry during their early careers in the Senate together.

"For many years McCain held Kerry's actions against him because, while McCain was a POW in the Hanoi Hilton, Kerry was organizing veterans back home in the U.S. to protest the war."

In his 2002 book, "Man of the People: The Life of John McCain," Alexander says that the two Vietnam vets finally reconciled in the early 1990s after having "a long - and at times emotional - conversation about Vietnam" during a mutual trip to Kuwait.

Later, Kerry sought to minimize the rift, telling Alexander: "Our differences occurred when we were kids, or at least close to being kids. It was a long time ago, and we both came back and realized that there were a lot of difficulties in the prosecution of that war."

Link: here (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/8/5/183220.shtml)

FORD
08-06-2004, 11:59 AM
Typical NewsHax spin. Take something McCain wrote in 1973 and try to make it sound like he said it yesterday.

John Ashcroft
08-06-2004, 12:09 PM
So you're saying he was lying in 1973?

Were the other POWs lying too when they recounted the Kerry propaganda being used against them while held captive?

lucky wilbury
08-06-2004, 01:08 PM
i want to see this stuff used in an ad

FORD
08-06-2004, 01:35 PM
McCain will be even more pissed off at that then he was at the not-so-swift-guys-who-never-served-with-Kerry-Inc. ads

John Ashcroft
08-06-2004, 01:57 PM
Uh, many of them did.

Anyway, was McCain lying in '73?

FORD
08-06-2004, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by John Ashcroft
Uh, many of them did.

Anyway, was McCain lying in '73?

McCain in 1973 was probably still pretty pissed off - and justifiably so - about being locked up in a tiger cage, and he was probably still under the impression that the Vietnam War itself was justified, which a lot of people still were at the time, but not so now.

Just like some people who bought the BCE's bullshit going into Iraq and believed it was justified in March 2003 don't believe so now, after their entire case has been proven false.

So to hold McCain to something he said 21 years ago, under entirely different circumstances and assume he still feels exactly the same way now is patently ridiculous. Even the NewsHax article acknowledges the fact that McCain & Kerry are friends and have put the issue behind them.

John Ashcroft
08-06-2004, 02:25 PM
I'll type slow so you are sure to understand...

DID JOHN MCCAIN LIE ABOUT THE NVA USING KERRY'S ANTIWAR COMMENTS AND TESTIMONY AGAINST THEM WHILE THEY WERE POWS ?

ODShowtime
08-06-2004, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by John Ashcroft
I'll type slow so you are sure to understand...

DID JOHN MCCAIN LIE ABOUT THE NVA USING KERRY'S ANTIWAR COMMENTS AND TESTIMONY AGAINST THEM WHILE THEY WERE POWS ?

What the fuck do you want, someone to hold you hand up and call you the champion?

Most people in America didn't even understand the global chessmatch strategy of opposing the Soviet's through proxies while Vietnam was going down. They were either still buying the post WWII "Uncle Same Needs You so let's just trot off down the road and get blown to bits" routine, or they smelled a rat.

Now this country runs on debate. Is that our fault when an NVA sack of shit reads the NY Times and uses it against soldiers in his custody? By that logic, all debate during war time should be stifled. Screw freedom of speach right? Who needs it?

No wonder you morons support Bush, obviously you really don't value the freedoms we enjoy here.

John Ashcroft
08-06-2004, 02:57 PM
Wrong answer.

Wish to try again?

ODShowtime
08-06-2004, 03:06 PM
What? I didn't change your mind that time?