Shit! Let's let the fuckin' Iranians and North Koreans monitor our damn elections!

[BigBadBrian]

International team to monitor presidential election
Observers will be part of OSCE's human rights office
From David de Sola
CNN



WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A team of international observers will monitor the presidential election in November, according to the U.S. State Department.

The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe was invited to monitor the election by the State Department. The observers will come from the OSCE's Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights.

It will be the first time such a team has been present for a U.S. presidential election.

"The U.S. is obliged to invite us, as all OSCE countries should," spokeswoman Urdur Gunnarsdottir said. "It's not legally binding, but it's a political commitment. They signed a document 10 years ago to ask OSCE to observe elections."

Thirteen Democratic members of the House of Representatives, raising the specter of possible civil rights violations that they said took place in Florida and elsewhere in the 2000 election, wrote to U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan in July, asking him to send observers.

After Annan rejected their request, saying the administration must make the application, the Democrats asked Secretary of State Colin Powell to do so.

The issue was hotly debated in the House, and Republicans got an amendment to a foreign aid bill that barred federal funds from being used for the United Nations to monitor U.S. elections, The Associated Press reported.

In a letter dated July 30 and released last week, Assistant Secretary of State Paul Kelly told the Democrats about the invitation to OSCE, without mentioning the U.N. issue.

"I am pleased that Secretary Powell is as committed as I am to a fair and democratic process," said Democratic Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson of Texas, who spearheaded the effort to get U.N. observers.

"The presence of monitors will assure Americans that America cares about their votes and it cares about its standing in the world," she said in a news release.

Democratic Rep. Barbara Lee of California agreed.

"This represents a step in the right direction toward ensuring that this year's elections are fair and transparent," she said.

"I am pleased that the State Department responded by acting on this need for international monitors. We sincerely hope that the presence of the monitors will make certain that every person's voice is heard, every person's vote is counted."

OSCE, the world's largest regional security organization, will send a preliminary mission to Washington in September to assess the size, scope, logistics and cost of the mission, Gunnarsdottir said.

The organization, which counts among its missions conflict prevention and postconflict rehabilitation, will then determine how many observers are required and where in the United States they will be sent.

"OSCE-participating [nations] agreed in 1990 to observe elections in one another's countries. The OSCE routinely monitors elections within its 55-state membership, including Europe, Eurasia, Canada and the United States," a State Department spokesman said.

The spokesman said the United States does not have any details on the size and composition of the observers or what countries will provide them.

OSCE, based in Vienna, Austria, has sent more than 10,000 personnel to monitor more than 150 elections and referenda in more than 30 countries during the past decade, Gunnarsdottir said.

In November 2002, OSCE sent 10 observers on a weeklong mission to monitor the U.S. midterm elections. OSCE also sent observers to monitor the California gubernatorial recall election last year.

More recently, OSCE monitored the elections in Northern Ireland in November and in Spain in March.

[BigBadBrian]

Perhaps we can also get some Libyans and Angolans in on the monitoring team as well. They can show us how it's done. :gulp:

[rustoffa]

geeezus.......mind fucking numbing.

[FORD]

Blame it on the BCE. They're the ones who brought this on by so blatantly stealing Florida. If that same set of circumstances would have taken place in any other country, there would have been calls for military intervention to prevent the coup.

I think the rest of the world let it go in 2000 because they never dreamed that one American "president" could possibly do so much damage in less than 4 years. They won't make that mistake twice, and who could blame them?

[Cathedral]

Hey, I'm all for doing something to ensure elections run their proper course.
And Bush will win again regardless, we the people ain't as stupid as those, the left, prove they are.

Not one Democrat serving in America represents me. Hell, this time around the Republicans are having trouble keeping with my high standards of a government official.

And i thought the 2000 election was a choice between two evils, lol. This time we got Herman Munster front and center.

Viva Le Bush in '04

[Big Train]

"The U.S. is obliged to invite us, as all OSCE countries should," spokeswoman Urdur Gunnarsdottir said.

Uh, fuck off, seriously...we aren't "obliged" to have another country "monitor" us or our elections. Fucking pussy democrats who don't have a leg to stand on resort to bullshit maneuvers like this, so when they lose they can say "The Ugandans, the Canadiens, The Mexicans and the Portguese all saw it...John kerry was robbed (with Ford in the crowd screaming about the so called, and completely unproven "BCE").

Bullshit in it's purest form.

[Osama Bin Laden]

1. [2.7] Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing and there is a covering over their eyes, and there is a great punishment for them.
2. [2.8] And there are some people who say: We believe in Allah and the last day; and they are not at all believers.
3. [2.9] They desire to deceive Allah and those who believe, and they deceive only themselves and they do not perceive.
4. [2.10] There is a disease in their hearts, so Allah added to their disease and they shall have a painful chastisement because they lied.
5. [2.15] Allah shall pay them back their mockery, and He leaves them alone in their inordinacy, blindly wandering on.
6. [2.17] Their parable is like the parable of one who kindled a fire but when it had illumined all around him, Allah took away their light, and left them in utter darkness-- they do not see.
7. [2.19] Or like abundant rain from the cloud in which is utter darkness and thunder and lightning; they put their fingers into their ears because of the thunder peal, for fear of death, and Allah encompasses the unbelievers.
8. [2.20] The lightning almost takes away their sight; whenever it shines on them they walk in it, and when it becomes dark to them they stand still; and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have taken away their hearing and their sight; surely Allah has power over all things.
9. [2.22] Who made the earth a resting place for you and the heaven a canopy and (Who) sends down rain from the cloud then brings forth with it subsistence for you of the fruits; therefore do not set up rivals to Allah while you know.
10. [2.23] And if you are in doubt as to that which We have revealed to Our servant, then produce a chapter like it and call on your witnesses besides Allah if you are truthful.
11. [2.26] Surely Allah is not ashamed to set forth any parable-- (that of) a gnat or any thing above that; then as for those who believe, they know that it is the truth from their Lord, and as for those who disbelieve, they say: What is it that Allah means by this parable: He causes many to err by it and many He leads aright by it! but He does not cause to err by it (any) except the transgressors,
12. [2.27] Who break the covenant of Allah after its confirmation and cut asunder what Allah has ordered to be joined, and make mischief in the land; these it is that are the losers.
13. [2.28] How do you deny Allah and you were dead and He gave you life? Again He will cause you to die and again bring you to life, then you shall be brought back to Him.
14. [2.55] And when you said: O Musa! we will not believe in you until we see Allah manifestly, so the punishment overtook you while you looked on.
15. [2.60] And when Musa prayed for drink for his people, We said: Strike the rock with your staff So there gushed from it twelve springs; each tribe knew its drinking place: Eat and drink of the provisions of Allah and do not act corruptly in the land, making mischief.
16. [2.61] And when you said: O Musa! we cannot bear with one food, therefore pray Lord on our behalf to bring forth for us out of what the earth grows, of its herbs and its cucumbers and its garlic and its lentils and its onions. He said: Will you exchange that which is better for that which is worse? Enter a city, so you will have what you ask for. And abasement and humiliation were brought down upon them, and they became deserving of Allah's wrath; this was so because they disbelieved in the communications of Allah and killed the prophets unjustly; this was so because they disobeyed and exceeded the limits.
17. [2.62] Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.
18. [2.64] Then you turned back after that; so were it not for the grace of Allah and His mercy on you, you would certainly have been among the losers.
19. [2.67] And when Musa said to his people: Surely Allah commands you that you should sacrifice a cow; they said: Do you ridicule us? He said: I seek the protection of Allah from being one of the ignorant.
20. [2.70] They said: Call on your Lord for our sake to make it plain to us what she is, for surely to us the cows are all alike, and if Allah please we shall surely be guided aright.
21. [2.72] And when you killed a man, then you disagreed with respect to that, and Allah was to bring forth that which you were going to hide.
22. [2.73] So We said: Strike the (dead body) with part of the (Sacrificed cow), thus Allah brings the dead to life, and He shows you His signs so that you may understand.
23. [2.74] Then your hearts hardened after that, so that they were like rocks, rather worse in hardness; and surely there are some rocks from which streams burst forth, and surely there are some of them which split asunder so water issues out of them, and surely there are some of them which fall down for fear of Allah, and Allah is not at all heedless of what you do.
24. [2.75] Do you then hope that they would believe in you, and a party from among them indeed used to hear the Word of Allah, then altered it after they had understood it, and they know (this).
25. [2.76] And when they meet those who believe they say: We believe, and when they are alone one with another they say: Do you talk to them of what Allah has disclosed to you that they may contend with you by this before your Lord? Do you not then understand?
26. [2.77] Do they not know that Allah knows what they keep secret and what they make known?
27. [2.79] Woe, then, to those who write the book with their hands and then say: This is from Allah, so that they may take for it a small price; therefore woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.
28. [2.80] And they say: Fire shall not touch us but for a few days. Say: Have you received a promise from Allah, then Allah will not fail to perform His promise, or do you speak against Allah what you do not know?
29. [2.83] And when We made a covenant with the children of Israel: You shall not serve any but Allah and (you shall do) good to (your) parents, and to the near of kin and to the orphans and the needy, and you shall speak to men good words and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate. Then you turned back except a few of you and (now too) you turn aside.
30. [2.85] Yet you it is who slay your people and turn a party from among you out of their homes, backing each other up against them unlawfully and exceeding the limits; and if they should come to you, as captives you would ransom them-- while their very turning out was unlawful for you. Do you then believe in a part of the Book and disbelieve in the other? What then is the re ward of such among you as do this but disgrace in the life of this world, and on the day of resurrection they shall be sent back to the most grievous chastisement, and Allah is not at all heedless of what you do.
31. [2.88] And they say: Our hearts are covered. Nay, Allah has cursed them on account of their unbelief; so little it is that they believe.
32. [2.89] And when there came to them a Book from Allah verifying that which they have, and aforetime they used to pray for victory against those who disbelieve, but when there came to them (Prophet) that which they did not recognize, they disbelieved in him; so Allah's curse is on the unbelievers.
33. [2.90] Evil is that for which they have sold their souls-- that they should deny what Allah has revealed, out of envy that Allah should send down of His grace on whomsoever of His servants He pleases; so they have made themselves deserving of wrath upon wrath, and there is a disgraceful punishment for the unbelievers.
34. [2.91] And when it is said to them, Believe in what Allah has revealed, they say: We believe in that which was revealed to us; and they deny what is besides that, while it is the truth verifying that which they have. Say: Why then did you kill Allah's Prophets before if you were indeed believers?
35. [2.94] Say: If the future abode with Allah is specially for you to the exclusion of the people, then invoke death if you are truthful.
36. [2.95] And they will never invoke it on account of what their hands have sent before, and Allah knows the unjust.
37. [2.96] And you will most certainly find them the greediest of men for life (greedier) than even those who are polytheists; every one of them loves that he should be granted a life of a thousand years, and his being granted a long life will in no way remove him further off from the chastisement, and Allah sees what they
38. [2.97] Say: Whoever is the enemy of Jibreel-- for surely he revealed it to your heart by Allah's command, verifying that which is before it and guidance and good news for the believers.
39. [2.98] Whoever is the enemy of Allah and His angels and His apostles and Jibreel and Meekaeel, so surely Allah is the enemy of the unbelievers.
40. [2.101] And when there came to them an Apostle from Allah verifying that which they have, a party of those who were given the Book threw the Book of Allah behind their backs as if they knew nothing.
41. [2.102] And they followed what the Shaitans chanted of sorcery in the reign of Sulaiman, and Sulaiman was not an unbeliever, but the Shaitans disbelieved, they taught men sorcery and that was sent down to the two angels at Babel, Harut and Marut, yet these two taught no man until they had said, "Surely we are only a trial, therefore do not be a disbeliever." Even then men learned from these two, magic by which they might cause a separation between a man and his wife; and they cannot hurt with it any one except with Allah's permission, and they learned what harmed them and did not profit them, and certainly they know that he who bought it should have no share of good in the hereafter and evil was the price for which they sold their souls, had they but known this.
42. [2.103] And if they had believed and guarded themselves (against evil), reward from Allah would certainly have been better; had they but known (this).
43. [2.105] Those who disbelieve from among the followers of the Book do not like, nor do the polytheists, that the good should be sent down to you from your Lord, and Allah chooses especially whom He pleases for His mercy, and Allah is the Lord of mighty grace.
44. [2.106] Whatever communications We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring one better than it or like it. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things?
45. [2.107] Do you not know that Allah's is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth, and that besides Allah you have no guardian or helper?
46. [2.109] Many of the followers of the Book wish that they could turn you back into unbelievers after your faith, out of envy from themselves, (even) after the truth has become manifest to them; but pardon and forgive, so that Allah should bring about His command; surely Allah has power over all things.
47. [2.110] And keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and whatever good you send before for yourselves, you shall find it with Allah; surely Allah sees what you do.
48. [2.112] Yes! whoever submits himself entirely to Allah and he is the doer of good (to others) he has his reward from his Lord, and there is no fear for him nor shall he grieve.
49. [2.113] And the Jews say: The Christians do not follow anything (good) and the Christians say: The Jews do not follow anything (good) while they recite the (same) Book. Even thus say those who have no knowledge, like to what they say; so Allah shall judge between them on the day of resurrection in what they differ.
50. [2.114] And who is more unjust than he who prevents (men) from the masjids of Allah, that His name should be remembered in them, and strives to ruin them? (As for) these, it was not proper for them that they should have entered them except in fear; they shall meet with disgrace in this world, and they shall have great chastisement in the hereafter.
51. [2.115] And Allah's is the East and the West, therefore, whither you turn, thither is Allah's purpose; surely Allah is Amplegiving, Knowing.
52. [2.116] And they say: Allah has taken to himself a son. Glory be to Him; rather, whatever is in the heavens and the earth is His; all are obedient to Him.
53. [2.118] And those who have no knowledge say: Why does not Allah speak to us or a sign come to us? Even thus said those before them, the like of what they say; their hearts are all alike. Indeed We have made the communications clear for a people who are sure.
54. [2.120] And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians until you follow their religion. Say: Surely Allah's guidance, that is the (true) guidance. And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, you shall have no guardian from Allah, nor any helper.
55. [2.126] And when Ibrahim said: My Lord, make it a secure town and provide its people with fruits, such of them as believe in Allah and the last day. He said: And whoever disbelieves, I will grant him enjoyment for a short while, then I will drive him to the chastisement of the fire; and it is an evil destination.
56. [2.132] And the same did Ibrahim enjoin on his sons and (so did) Yaqoub. O my sons! surely Allah has chosen for you (this) faith, therefore die not unless you are Muslims.
57. [2.136] Say: We believe in Allah and (in) that which had been revealed to us, and (in) that which was revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and (in) that which was given to Musa and Isa, and (in) that which was given to the prophets from their Lord, we do not make any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit.
58. [2.137] If then they believe as you believe in Him, they are indeed on the right course, and if they turn back, then they are only in great opposition, so Allah will suffice you against them, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.
59. [2.138] (Receive) the baptism of Allah, and who is better than Allah in baptising? and Him do we serve.
60. [2.139] Say: Do you dispute with us about Allah, and He is our Lord and your Lord, and we shall have our deeds and you shall have your deeds, and we are sincere to Him.
61. [2.140] Nay! do you say that Ibrahim and Ismail and Yaqoub and the tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Are you better knowing or Allah? And who is more unjust than he who conceals a testimony that he has from Allah? And Allah is not at all heedless of what you do.
62. [2.142] The fools among the people will say: What has turned them from their qiblah which they had? Say: The East and the West belong only to Allah; He guides whom He likes to the right path.
63. [2.143] And thus We have made you a medium (just) nation that you may be the bearers of witness to the people and (that) the Apostle may be a bearer of witness to you; and We did not make that which you would have to be the qiblah but that We might distinguish him who follows the Apostle from him who turns back upon his heels, and this was surely hard except for those whom Allah has guided aright; and Allah was not going to make your faith to be fruitless; most surely Allah is Affectionate, Merciful to the people.
64. [2.144] Indeed We see the turning of your face to heaven, so We shall surely turn you to a qiblah which you shall like; turn then your face towards the Sacred Mosque, and wherever you are, turn your face towards it, and those who have been given the Book most surely know that it is the truth from their Lord; and Allah is not at all heedless of what they do.
65. [2.148] And every one has a direction to which he should turn, therefore hasten to (do) good works; wherever you are, Allah will bring you all together; surely Allah has power over all things.
66. [2.149] And from whatsoever place you come forth, turn your face towards the Sacred Mosque; and surely it is the very truth from your Lord, and Allah is not at all heedless of what you do.
67. [2.153] O you who believe! seek assistance through patience and prayer; surely Allah is with the patient.
68. [2.154] And do not speak of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead; nay, (they are) alive, but you do not perceive.
69. [2.156] Who, when a misfortune befalls them, say: Surely we are Allah's and to Him we shall surely return.
70. [2.158] Surely the Safa and the Marwa are among the signs appointed by Allah; so whoever makes a pilgrimage to the House or pays a visit (to it), there is no blame on him if he goes round them both; and whoever does good spontaneously, then surely Allah is Grateful, Knowing.

[Ally_Kat]

This is such bullshit. What are we, little kids? Hey guys, come monitor our elections so we know our nation is helping to uphold human rights and the such. Gah. Georgie, Tom, John, Ben, and the others are rolling in their graves.

[FORD]

Uh Osama??? :confused:

Nice sermon, but what does it have to do with election fixing?

[FORD]

Originally posted by Ally_Kat
. Gah. Georgie, Tom, John, Ben, and the others are rolling in their graves.

As they have been since 12/12/2000.

[Ally_Kat]

electoral college, Ford. Just because you don't like the outcome doesn't mean they wouldn't.

[John Ashcroft]

Not to mention none of you libs have been able to prove that Algore even won the popular vote, let alone the electoral vote...

[Angel]

If your elections are run fairly and in a democratic manner, then what's the problem? Don't you want others to see how it's done right, after all, yours is the only nation capable of doing anything correctly, we should all learn from you.

:rolleyes:

[Warham]

Al Gore lost the election at least five times, once for each recount.

[Osama Bin Laden]

The election will be as Allah wills it and no infidel machines will stand in His way.

And do not ask of me what the will of Allah is, but I can only speak as his humble servant.

[WACF]

Originally posted by Ally_Kat
This is such bullshit. What are we, little kids? Hey guys, come monitor our elections so we know our nation is helping to uphold human rights and the such. Gah. Georgie, Tom, John, Ben, and the others are rolling in their graves.

Why name those people?
During there time women could not vote, blacks were slaves, could not defend themselves with a gun as a white man could. Mind you, if they could arm themselves they would not as easy to hang.

[Osama Bin Laden]

Originally posted by WACF
Why name those people?
During there time women could not vote, blacks were slaves, could not defend themselves with a gun as a white man could. Mind you, if they could arm themselves they would not as easy to hang.

And you infidels complain about Muslim society?

[JCOOK]

Osama it is time to convert you--- THERE IS BUT ONE BUNGHOLE THE ALMIGHTY BUNGHOLE YOU WILL BOW DOWN TO THE ALMIGHTY BUNGHOLE!

[DLR'sCock]

Originally posted by Warham
Al Gore lost the election at least five times, once for each recount. http://democrats.com/display.cfm?id=181


Gore Won Florida!

On November 27, Republican Secretary of State Katherine Harris officially certified George W. Bush as the "winner" in Florida by 537 votes.

Since that date, independent investigations by the media have revealed that many illegal votes were counted - while many legal votes were not.

If the votes in Florida had been counted by non-partisan election officials in compliance with the law, Gore would have won Florida.

Unfortunately, George W. Bush, his brother Governor Jeb Bush, Secretary of State Katherine Harris, a partisan Republican majority on the U.S. Supreme Court, and the Republican-owned media did everything in their power to prevent a fair and legal count of the votes.

In other words, these Republicans used their enormous power to steal the Presidency of the United States. Indeed, the untold story of Floridagate is as chilling as Watergate.

This is a crime against American democracy. Democrats.com demands a thorough investigation and the prosecution of all criminal actions.

And because he is ultimately responsible for the Theft of the Presidency, we call upon George W. Bush to resign.

Note: To read all of the coverage on Democrats.com of Election 2000 and related stories, click the following links:

Theft of the Presidency (major revelations)
Stolen Election
Katherine Harris
Jeb Bush
Felon Purge
Election Reform
1. Media Consortium Statewide Count of "Undervotes" and "Overvotes" Proves Gore Won Under ANY Standard

The Media Consortium hired the National Opinion Research Center to examine 175,010 ballots that were never counted in Florida. The investigation took 8 months and cost $900,000. No matter what standard for judging ballots is applied, Gore wins.

Gore Gain Gore Deficit
or Lead
Certified by Katherine Harris
-537


Valid votes found after certification +59
-478

Correctly marked paper ballots +493
+15

Full punches
+100
+115

Poorly marked paper ballot +309
+424

3-corner chads -208
+216

2-corner chads
-111
+105

1-corner chads -45
+60

Dimples with sunlight +88
+148

Dimples
-41
+107



Unfortunately, the members of the Media Consortium insisted on distorting the analysis of their own clear data (see "Spin Control" below).

2. Miami Herald Statewide Count of "Undervotes" and "Overvotes" Proves Gore Won by 662

Without counting a single hanging or dimpled chad, Gore won by 662, according to the Miami Herald. The votes below were crystal clear votes as determined by the Herald's accounting firm, BDO Seidman. Under Florida law, all of these ballots should have been counted by election officials on Election Day. Their failure to do so is Official Misconduct, not "Voter Error"!

Gore Gain Gore Deficit
or Lead
Certified by Katherine Harris
-537


Clear "Undervotes" (optical scan) +319
-218

Clear "Undervotes" (punch card) +198
-20

Clear "Overvotes"
+682
+662



Unfortunately, the Herald insists on distorting the analysis of its own clear data (see "Spin Control" below).

3. Other Media Counts Lead to the Same Conclusion

You can see the same data in greater detail here:
The Miami Herald
Unknown News
Date Event Gore Gain Gore Deficit
or Lead
11/27/00 Certified by Katherine Harris -537

12/8/00 Florida Supreme Court ruling +383 -154
12/18/00 Lake County (Orlando Sentinel) +130 - 24
12/19/00 Broward (Palm Beach Post) +164 +140
12/29/00 Hernando (Hernando Today) +4 +144
12/30/00 Hillsborough (Tampa Tribune) +120 +264
1/3/01 Gadsden (Democrats.com) +40 +304
1/14/01 Miami-Dade #1 (Palm Beach Post) - minus prior recount included in 12/8
-6
+11
-209 +100
1/20/01 Collier (Naples News) -226 -126
1/27/01 Palm Beach #1 (Palm Beach Post) +682 +556
1/28/01 15 County (Orlando Sentinel) -minus prior recounts in Lake and Gadsden +366
-170 +752
2/10/01 Orange (Orlando Sentinel) +203 +955
2/15/01 Seminole (Orlando Sentinel) +13 +968
2/26/01 Miami-Dade #2 (Miami Herald)
also: how the media twisted this recount into a "Gore lost" story +49 +1,017
3/8/01 Osceola (Orlando Sentinel) +25 +1,042
3/10/01 Palm Beach #2 (Palm Beach Post) +102 +1,144
3/10/01 Martin, St. Lucie (Palm Beach Post) +92 +1,236
Total Gore Gain from Recounts +1,773


4. Overvote Analysis - Gore's True Margin of Victory

If every county in Florida - not just the Republican ones - had state-of-the-art voting machines that allowed voters to correct their mistakes, Al Gore would have won by 46,466.

Date Event Gore Gain Gore Deficit
or Lead
1/28/01 Analysis of overvotes in 8 counties by the Washington Post +28,510
+28,510

1/28/01 Analysis of overvotes in 15 counties by the Orlando Sun-Sentinel +944
+29,454

2/8/01 Gore-Libertarian overvotes in 16 counties by Orlando Sun-Sentinel +797
+30,257

3/10/01 Analysis of overvotes in Palm Beach County by the Palm Beach Post (overlaps Washington Post analysis above) +6,607

5/11/01 Analysis of overvotes statewide by the Miami Herald (overlaps with all of the above) +46,466



5. Disputed Votes

There are several categories of votes that have been widely disputed. Unlike the votes above, these disputed votes could not have been resolved by county canvassing boards, either on election night or during the subsequent recounts.

It is impossible to quantify most of these categories, but we can try to give our best estimates.

Categories favoring Gore

Absentee ballots cast statewide by Republican voters following the illegal solicitation of absentee ballots by the Florida Republican Party: 50,000?
Absentee ballots that could not be read by voting machines, but were illegally "duplicated" by county election officials: 10,000 (60% Bush?)
Legal voters who were disenfranchised by Katherine Harris through the criminally inaccurate purge of "felons": 1,100 (90% Gore)
Absentee ballots cast in Seminole and Martin counties by Republican voters following the criminal alteration of defective ballot applications by Republican operatives: 5,000 (99% Bush)
Votes meant for Gore but cast for Buchanan because of the "butterfly ballot" in Palm Beach: 3,000 (100% Gore)
Voters who went to the polls but were unable to cast a vote because of language problems (and no translators) or physical disability: (70% Gore)
Registrations submitted from black colleges but not processed: (90% Gore)
Overseas military ballots that were not legal, but were counted because of massive pressure from the Bush campaign: 680 (71% Bush)
Police checkpoints near black precincts: 0
Categories favoring Bush

Illegal votes by felons: 5,600 (90% Gore?)
Premature network projections for Gore 10 minutes before polls closed in the Panhandle: 10 (60% Bush?)
6. Racial Discrimination

Florida voters were not treated equally. If you were black, your vote was significantly less likely to be counted. This was not because blacks were less experienced voters - this was due to institutional racism.

Whose Votes Don't Count?: An Analysis of Spoiled Ballots in the 2000 Florida Election
Report of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights
NAACP et al v. Katherine Harris et al
Votes of Poor Are Discarded 3 Times More than Votes of Rich Across the US
7. The Untold Story

A wide range of suspicious activities were reported by eyewitnesses and the news media. Many of these activities have still not been investigated.

Questions the U.S. News Media Refuses to Ask about the Stolen Florida Election
Oral Majority: The Evidence Room
The Florida Overvote: Tragic Mistake, or Katharine Harris with Tweezers?
"Lost" Votes and a Stolen Election
Bush Never Won Florida
13 Myths About The Results Of The 2000 Election
The Florida Disaster: Before, During, and After
Scary Facts about the Florida Vote
Al Gore's Margin of VICTORY in Florida
How Did This Happen?
Election 2000 FAQ
The Five Worst Republican Outrages
Democracy Subverted - November 2000 Election Irregularities
8. Spin Control - Media Distortion of the Stolen Election

Each new revelation about the Stolen Election has been accompanied by articles that were deliberately distorted by editors and reporters to deny the reality that Gore Won Florida.

Miami Herald Distorts Florida Recount Analysis to Hide the Terrifying Truth: Its Own Data PROVE Al Gore Won Florida
Media Lies Once Again to Declare Bush the Winner
The Bush Propaganda Machine Strikes Again in Florida
Now its Unofficial: Gore Did Win Florida
Gore Moves Ahead in Florida Recount
9. Republicans Would Never Accept a Gore Victory

NY Times Exposes GOP Absentee Ballot Fraud That Stole 292 Votes for Bush
Bush Set to Fight An Electoral College Loss
A President by Judicial Fiat
10. The Republican Criminals Who Shut Down the Miami-Dade Recount

These are some of the thugs who staged a riot at the Miami canvassing board and shut down the recount. Most of these thugs are present or past employees of Congressional Republicans. The riot was led by Rep. John Sweeney of upstate NY. All of these thugs - and their Congressional bosses, led by Tom DeLay - should be prosecuted for criminally interfering with a federal election.

[WACF]

Originally posted by Osama Bin Laden
And you infidels complain about Muslim society?

We have come a long way in the last 100 years......

[Big Train]

Posted by WACF:

Why name those people?
During there time women could not vote, blacks were slaves, could not defend themselves with a gun as a white man could. Mind you, if they could arm themselves they would not as easy to hang.

Cause they set up a system which allowed us to change that.

Originally posted by Osama Bin Laden
And you infidels complain about Muslim society?

We complain about Muslim society cause they don't have a system to change.

[WACF]

Big train....I see your point.

You could say things have evolved......and they most certainly have.

I just think those individuals did not a good grip on what equal or human rights meant.

[Warham]

from florida2000election.com...

What role did the networks have in Gore's plan?

The networks played HUGE role in how this election played out and significantly aided Gore in his quest for Florida.

All of the major networks (ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, FOX News) compete to be the first network to declare a winner in an election. However, they all make their projections based upon data collected by one source, the Voter News Service, a joint venture company who conducts exit polls.

As it turns out, the VNS was grossly ill prepared for the election in Florida (they admit this.) In addition to being understaffed and thereby collecting only a small amount of data, they paid very little attention to the nearly 600,000 absentee voters. In fact, the VNS now explains it expected only half as many absentee ballots.

Remember, the VNS does not tabulate actual votes. Rather, they look at exit poll data, surveying voters as they leave their polling centers. Of Florida's 5,845 precincts, the VNS had workers stationed at only 45, less than one percent.

Out of six million voters, the VNS managed to collect data from just 4,356 people.

Since the election, the VNS has tried to overhaul its system, spending millions of dollars in the process. Networks have also established new policy regarding their behavior on election days. At one point, CNN declared they would stay with VNS "if, and only if" the company made significant changes to their systems.

News update - On Monday, January 12, 2003, the VNS went out of business, unable to recover from its lack of integrity in the 2000 election. Click here for details.

As it turned out on election night, the VNS and networks were mysteriously anxious to declare states on behalf of Al Gore, even if the polls were not yet closed in the state, even if the state had a narrow race. And that is what happened in regards to Florida.

Looking at a small amount of data, NBC was the first to jump the gun and declare that Al Gore would be the winner of Florida. They did this with 11 minutes still left on the clock and as voters were still on their way to the voting centers in the Western Panhandle (which falls in the central time zone). As always on election night, the other networks frenetically jumped on-board as quickly as possible.

Within minutes the message was out - Florida was already decided and Al Gore was the winner, likely to be our next President. Along with Florida the networks also quickly declared that Gore would take Michigan and Pennsylvania, thus winning the "big Trifecta" and sticking a dagger in the heart of Bush's campaign. At this point there were still several hours left on the clock for voters in Western America. They were now being sent the very powerful message that Gore was running away with the electiion.

In contrast and hurting Bush even more, the networks decided to wait longer to declare states for him, even the states where he won handedly.

In Florida, anyone who was standing in line by 7:00 pm would be allowed to vote. But why would they even bother at this point? There was no longer any reason to drive to the polling center, stand in line, and vote for our next President. It was too late. The decision had been made. Gore won Florida and was the next President of the United States. The networks said so.

This initial perception planted a seed of confusion for millions of people. Once they were told that Gore won Florida and thus the national election, it would be hard for them to change their minds, to accept that Gore was actually the loser. This ultimately fed the confusion that would follow in Florida and helped Gore implement manual recounts. It allowed Democrats to say that Gore was the true winner in Florida and that "investigations" (manual recounting) should be done.

Al Gore also benefited from another powerful yet deceitful impression created by the VNS and networks. That being, exit polls are somehow more accurate than the actual vote tabulations.

For some reason people were more likely to believe television broadcasters, such as Tom Brokaw, reporting the erroneous story than they were to believe actual tabulations that were submitted by county officials in Florida. They believed this despite the VNS admitting they completely botched their forecast. Further, exit polls are like predicting the outcome of a sports game. The prediction means absolutely nothing. It's the actual score of the game that ultimately matters.

Studies also show the early projection cost George Bush quite a lot of votes, considering that the Florida Panhandle tends to vote 2 to 1 in favor of Republicans and there were at least 500,000 registered voters in these precincts. Also, there are many military personnel in that region who often vote on their way home from work. One study claims as many as 11,000 people changed their minds and decided not vote after the networks declared the election to Al Gore.

As it turns out, of course, Bush already had enough votes to win the state. However, the extra votes may have prevented Gore from his disruption.

I ask, is it possible the early projection was part of Gore's broader plan to take Florida? This may seem like wild speculation, but consider what would happen if the Gore team was able to apply pressure on networks and the VNS, thus inducing them to make an early projection for him before polls were even closed. The impact of this would be enormous. It would manipulate the process in favor of Gore. It would squelch voters in the Panhandle and shave votes from George Bush's lead, keeping the election at a hair-splitting margin. It would also setup the impression that Gore was the winner even if he ultimately had fewer votes.

Perhaps their thinking went something like this:
Campaign intensely in Florida just before Election Day in order to bring the gap between the two candidates to a narrow margin.
Somehow get an early projection by the VNS or networks on Election Day, thus shaving votes from Bush's total and creating the appearance that Gore was the winner.
Launch a campaign to create the appearance of impropriety and that the election was a disaster.
Implement manual recounts in Democrat counties.

Perhaps this was their only hope!

As much as a stretch as this may seem, consider the following: Al Gore spent the last few days of his campaign in Florida, operating nearly around the clock. Before Election Day, the Democrat numbers indicated that he would likely take Pennsylvania and Michigan, but would be guaranteed a victory if he could somehow take Florida. They knew it would be close and that one final push might make it a nearly even match.

At one point Gore exclaimed, "This is the last official stop of campaign 2000. It's not an accident that I am here because Florida very well may be the state that decides this election."

Secondly, ever since networks made an early prediction in 1980, taking an enormous amount of heat from Democrats, they were no longer in the habit of projecting winners before the polls have closed. In fact, they are loosely bound by a congressional agreement to do otherwise. But oddly, they were very anxious to jump the gun and declare the state of Florida for Gore, a state where the results were extremely narrow.

Wouldn't it be logical that this state would take even longer to project considering neither candidate had a substantial lead, not to mention the complexity of Florida's voting base and the miniscule amount of data collected by the VNS?

Further, what about other states? How quick were networks in projecting winners in states where one of the two candidates was almost guaranteed a victory, where the outcome was lopsided? It turns out, unlike the Florida projection, networks weren't so quick to project a winner in these states, especially for the states were Bush was predicted to win.

For example, it took networks two hours and forty-five minutes to project West Virginia, where Bush won by a comfortable 6 percent. In Ohio, it took them an hour and forty-five minutes, where Bush won by 4 percent.

They waited at least thirty minutes on a variety of other states where Bush won handedly, such as Georgia and Virginia. In North Carolina, Bush won by 13 percent but the networks said it was "too close to call" for 35 minutes after the polls closed. This caused Tom Brokaw to exclaim, "The idea that North Carolina is still too close to call does come as a surprise this evening."

Shouldn't the opposite have happened? Wouldn't it make sense for the networks to declare the lopsided races early while holding off on the tight races like Florida? Again, keep in mind that they were not using actual tabulations as their guide. Rather, they were supposedly using the data collected by the VNS.

I ask, who was it that decided it was safe to project Al Gore as the winner of Florida before polls had even closed, yet decided more time was needed to project other more lopsided states? Is it possible that campaign operatives were in place in order to manipulate the process?

Thirdly, one month before the election, Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris seemed to be concerned about networks possibly making an early call. She submitted a letter urging them not to declare a winner before the polls had closed. The message said, "The last thing we need is to have our citizens in the Central Time Zone think that their vote doesn't count - Because it certainly does!"

While most people assume that the botched network projection for Gore was merely an act of aggressive carelessness, I am skeptical. Considering the extent that Al Gore went to overturn the election in Florida, I am under the impression that the early erroneous call was part of his plan.

[wraytw]

Yeah, Cock. That's a real objective source. :rolleyes:

[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by WACF
Why name those people?
During there time women could not vote, blacks were slaves, could not defend themselves with a gun as a white man could. Mind you, if they could arm themselves they would not as easy to hang.

Why name General George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Hancock, Ben Franklin, the fellow signers, and the fellow members of the Revolutionary Army?

Because they worked in various ways to get a foreign power out of our handlings and now our country is inviting foreign powers to have a handling in our elections. Hell, there's a part in the Declaration that denounces England on f'in ours up. Now we're letting Iranians and Koreans come join the fun.

Those mentioned started the ball so that we could get to where we are now. America is called the Great Experiment. We never claim(ed) to be perfect.

And Newsflash - poll watchers hardly ever watch. They always start some trouble by following people into the booth, or trying to take election materials. And what happens if one of these "watchers" is in pocket and claims something and haults the process? We're talking about a whole new kinda of election fraud.

And are these watchers going to speak english, or are there going to be translators with them? This should be insteresting.

[WACF]

So you have a part in the Declaration that denounces England...good for you.

We have the British North American act....nothing but trouble comes from that piece of crap.

[Ally_Kat]

Originally posted by WACF
So you have a part in the Declaration that denounces England...good for you.


Read it again. That denouncing England part is for fucking up our elections, exactly what these foreign powers are going to do 228 years after that fact.

You like only reading half my points...good for you

[WACF]

I think you took me as sarcastic...not my intention.

I mean good for you as in GOOD FOR YOU.

I could of quoted your whole response but I find it annoying to take up a whole whack of space.

If I missed your point feel free explain.
I am curious about your last response.

I am not a fan of the BNA that became our constitution in the 80's.
Our system is supposed to be the best parts of the British system and yours...I am not sure it is all we wish it to be.

[Ally_Kat]

i took it as sarcasm. Sorry.

[WACF]

No problem...I thought that.