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HELLVIS
08-10-2004, 12:43 AM
Tell the truth. Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago.
Please, no Kerry sucks/Bush sucks bullshit answers. Are you personally better or worse off? How so?

FORD
08-10-2004, 12:54 AM
FUCK NO!!!

Ally_Kat
08-10-2004, 12:56 AM
personally, yes, but I must admit it has nothing to do with politics.

JCOOK
08-10-2004, 12:58 AM
As long as FORD has the BCE on his radar i'm fine

HELLVIS
08-10-2004, 01:01 AM
I'll go first.....
Much much better.
During the last four years, I bought a house, two new cars, witnessed the birth of my son, and got a champion english mastiff. During the previous eight years, I drove a used car, and rented an apartment.
I'm now self employed and lovin' it.
I guess that part corroborates the Bush camp's claim that while withheld tax collections may be down, self employment is way up.
No matter what I hear or read, I only truly know how things are going for me, and I'll vote accordingly. I can't/won't vote for you. If things aren't going so well for you, then maybe you should vote differently.

HELLVIS
08-10-2004, 01:17 AM
Originally posted by FORD
FUCK NO!!!


Well Ford, then you've got to do what you've got to do.

JCOOK
08-10-2004, 01:21 AM
How dare you improve yourself when the rest of the village has not voted

HELLVIS
08-10-2004, 01:42 AM
I'm sorry. Should I resign to "the links"?

HELLVIS
08-10-2004, 01:47 AM
Originally posted by Ally_Kat
personally, yes, but I must admit it has nothing to do with politics.

There's something to be said for making your own destiny....kickin' ass, takin' names, and takin' no shit! Is that you?
Well, here's one hip swivel from hell to you!

Warham
08-10-2004, 07:30 AM
I'm better off as well.

Snow Ho
08-10-2004, 09:36 AM
i'm better off but like ally kat-nothing to do with politics.

lms
08-10-2004, 09:52 AM
Life is not a destination, its all about the journey. Look at a roller coaster... without the ups and downs it would be a pretty boring ride.

fanofdave
08-10-2004, 10:21 AM
personally, these past 4 years have been very prosperous
to me. i'm closing on our second home in 3 years, my wife
and i have great jobs, our child is doing well in school, and
we're healthy. politics aside, yes we are better off than we
were four years ago.

LoungeMachine
08-10-2004, 11:19 AM
I'm better off in SPITE of what this administration has done.

But then I'd have been better off even if they hadn't stolen the election

I'm not better off emotionally though, because the needless suffering, and the cost of life, and the reputation of our country is in the hands of pure evil. It weighs heavy on my mind.

So because I'm financially better off, am I now suppose to thank the bushies, even though they had NOTHING to do with it?

I'm personally better off, and the WORLD is worse off.

WACF
08-10-2004, 11:23 AM
How has your deficit done?

What about social issues?
I read that only %40 of U.S. citizens carry health insurance.
Is it a big issue or not really?

ODShowtime
08-10-2004, 12:16 PM
I'm worse off. My wages have been frozen for two years (thanks to peice of shit Tom Ridge) while every single thing I buy has risen in price. The goddamn PA turnpike just double in price this month. DOUBLED.

I am glad I have my initial 2 years of exp. now. Too bad I had to take it in the ass with a pay freeze while I got it.

I have a feeling things are gonna get a lot worse in this country even when I do get a huge pay raise with a new job...

John Ashcroft
08-10-2004, 12:23 PM
WACF, where did you hear 40%? It's absolutely not true, and to tell you the honest truth, every single American has access to health care.

Anyway let's see, the last 4 years...

Left Boeing for a better job with O.U.

Built a brand new house on 2 beautifully wooded acres.

Bought a 2002 Toyota Tacoma.

Bought a 17' ski boat (Four Winns).

Got a son who's 4/12, so technically he was born beyond the 4 year point, but still raising my kids for the last 4 years has been my greatest source of happiness altogether.

So yeah, live's been good so far.

Oh, and for the record, 5 years ago I left the military. I enjoyed the Air Force for sure, but let's just say I've significantly increased my income from those days. Not to mention, 8 hour work days, 40 hour weeks, no moving (unless by my choice), no extended deployments to the fucking Middle East, and one whole hell of alot less bullshit.

And not one soup-kitchen line! Imagine that!

WACF
08-10-2004, 12:42 PM
I heard the %40 on a radio talk show....you mean to tell me they make stuff up??? LOL

I thought %40 sounded pretty low.
The discussion was based on whether or not we want to change our health care system.
The dude interviewed stated that we would be like the U.S., if left up to each individual...many would choose car loans or mortgages instead of putting health insurance as a priority.
Easy to say when you do not live there.

I am curious though...how affordable is health insurance?
Can you choose your coverage?
For unionized people is it a negotiated part of their collective agreement?
Is it all that costly to go to a clinic or doctor's office?

Our last election seemed to stir up a lot of talk about our system.

DLR'sCock
08-10-2004, 12:43 PM
Nope, I couldn't find a programming job since most of them were off-shored over the last 4 years. I was taking classes from the beginning of 1999 troughout 2002, and when I was ready to look, the jobs were gone. Now that after investing over ten thousand dollars in school, I have to find a new career direction. Ihappen to know many many people who were laid off, or couldn't find work in the IT field. I have some ideas and leads, we'll see....but no...


Also, our country(using my tax money) killed over 15,000 Iraqi civillians, so in some way I am indirectly responsible, and I feel horrible about that....


Are those dead soldiers(from all sides) and civillians(from all sides) any better of than they were 4 years ago????

WACF
08-10-2004, 12:44 PM
Probably not the best spot to discuss the health care questions I suppose...I didn't mean to hijack the topic!

DLR'sCock
08-10-2004, 12:44 PM
Originally posted by WACF
I heard the %40 on a radio talk show....you mean to tell me they make stuff up??? LOL

I thought %40 sounded pretty low.
The discussion was based on whether or not we want to change our health care system.
The dude interviewed stated that we would be like the U.S., if left up to each individual...many would choose car loans or mortgages instead of putting health insurance as a priority.
Easy to say when you do not live there.

I am curious though...how affordable is health insurance?
Can you choose your coverage?
For unionized people is it a negotiated part of their collective agreement?
Is it all that costly to go to a clinic or doctor's office?

Our last election seemed to stir up a lot of talk about our system.


Well, there are 43 million working Americans without Health Insurance...

ODShowtime
08-10-2004, 12:45 PM
Also, the Black Crowes and STP both broke up. Damn you Bush!

Dr Volospion
08-10-2004, 12:59 PM
I should be better off...new job and all, but the UK tax fucks me everytime I try and earn some decent money. Bastards.

lms
08-10-2004, 01:03 PM
Lack of communication from above. WACF is discussing health insurance...Ashcroft is discussing health care. Two totally different issues with a tremendous impact on each other.

Yes...Americans have ample access to health care. There are doctors, clinics and hospitals galore. Not all Americans have health insurance, (and if you factor out the number of families on state funded insurance plans, I believe that number to be much higher than 40 %). Insurance simply is not affordable anymore. It sounds like financially, most of you are doing well with two homes, several vehicles... but keep us working class folks in mind. An income of $25,000.00 a year does not allow you to pay $1500 bucks a month for health insurance. Try getting into a doctor without insurance. They wont take you. Try getting into a doctor if you dont have the money to pay your deductible up front. They wont see you.

Anyone want to discuss the general quality of health care these days?
Dont get me started.

conmee
08-10-2004, 01:03 PM
The BCE also downed a space shuttle, corked Sammy Sosa's bat, has run a discredit campaign against Barry Bonds and other premier athletes, cancelled Friends, Frasier, Sex and The City, and if they get their way, the Sopranos are on the outs too!!!!

They also tried to unleashed AIDS into the prOn industry awhile back via South America, concocted SARS which only fooked up our friends in Toronto, raised the price of crude oil, caused some of the worst winter weather in Detroit last year, broke up the Lakers, framed Kobe for rape, put a brain implant into Scott Peterson's gorde which made him kill Laci, and the list goes on and on....

And you can bet that Rick James was on the BCE's list of Most Wanted as well... and look what happened to that bastard....


;>

Icon.

conmee
08-10-2004, 01:05 PM
Who has Internet access on $25k per year? That's part of a health insurance payment right there... dammit, and you better not be broadbandin' it either!!!! lmao

Icon.

lms
08-10-2004, 02:33 PM
Right now I am at work using their internet, and I am not saying that is my income, just a general figure. Yes, lots of families live for a year, on less than you pay for a fucking car. And unfortunately, no, it is not a select few. At home, I have DSL. Am I complaining about not having health insurance? Not particularly, just stating facts. Lots of folks dont. If I had insurance, I could not afford to pay the doctor...now I have the money to pay him, and he just wont see me. Either way, we are very healthy people and could care less. If you do go to the doctor, he will find something wrong, even if there isn't.

The funny thing about my insurance situation is that when I was self employed, my insurance was cheaper, and I could deduct half of the cost. I returned to work for the "benefits package" and my insurance suddenly became unaffordable-and half as good as it was before. Lets hear it for self employment. I am not bitching about that either. Just acknowledging that there are people getting screwed, and it is the people who can least afford it.

Further, do I blame Bush, no, nor do I credit him. The world is run by the assholes that win lawsuits for actually getting a hot cup of coffee when they order one.

ODShowtime
08-10-2004, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by lms


Further, do I blame Bush, no, nor do I credit him. The world is run by the assholes that win lawsuits for actually getting a hot cup of coffee when they order one.

VERY well said. Except that it probably was Bush's fault somehow.

conmee
08-10-2004, 03:43 PM
I was fookin' with you lms, just joking, hence the lmao. lol.

The recipe for success is fairly simple... go to school, get decent grades, don't do drugs, play sports if you're good enough, and get an MD, MBA, PhD and work for the man... lol... I've got $137K in student loans, so I didn't grow up like the Bushies either... studied hard and paying my way (now, and for the foreseeable future... $800/mo for loans).

I was self-employed for awhile there too... never made so much money as I did then, and the tax write-offs and health insurance were indeed better/less expensive...

The entire pharmaceutical-medical-insurance-legal-industrial complex is a far more insidious beast than the BCE ever could hope to become. There is so much special-interest money and division among all the folks in positions of power/authority/influence, that the so-called little guy, and those folks who can't stomach undergrad, let alone grad school, will suffer simply because no one is standing up for them... at least not anyone with any say so, and certainly none of the cretins in Congress or the President or Presidential candidate(s). So what's to be done? Unless there's an entire house-cleaning around the economics of health care and all the implications of malpractice insurance, and pharmaceutical companies passing on R&D costs and FDA approval costs (years of man-hours, and forests worth of paperwork) and lawyers looking to 'stick it to the system' and on and on, there will be no getting our heads and hearts and arms around the problem.... and a simple change in the Presidency or majority in Congress won't change a thing... the problem is huge and near-crisis, but this country lacks the leadership necessary to make real change in this regard.

The tax system also suffers from the same problems... a flat tax, where everyone has a single sheet return (for instance, Gross Income X 17% = Your Tax) with no loopholes for people or businesses, and no multi-thousand page tomes on tax law, would level the playing field for everyone... but then what to do with all those accounting companies and tax lawyers who build careers out of navigating those treacherous waters? They've got a lot of money invested, and they'll use it to keep the system in place... it's all economics and survival of the fittest in a capitalist economy.

This country is run by special-interest groups, and that's why until their is a special-interest group for the little guy that has money to throw around in this economy and political arena, they will be pandered to, but not truly represented.... but then again, in this country, if you lack resources (i.e. money), you don't have a chance in hell of putting together a special-interest group that matters... gotta have some chips if you want to sit down at poker table called capitalism.

Um, I mean, Icon.... lol

Warham
08-10-2004, 04:22 PM
Stop making me depressed guys.

lms
08-10-2004, 04:24 PM
Okay...I agree with all that. I saw the lmao...I guess I am used to people on here laughing at me, not with me. Well, trying to pick fights anyway.

When you completely total a car, you can give it a new engine, but thats not going to fix the body. You can fix the body, but that doesnt do much for the engine. You can replace the engine piece by piece, but its not going to run right until all the pieces have been replaced. And the bottom line is, the car has still been totaled.

I agree with your diatribe on the whole special interest group; the whole who pads whose pockets schtick. There is no simple workable solution as each solution creates a new problem. That is all I was saying. Its a dog eat dog world, which really sucks if your a dog.

My original bitch with the whole insurance/medical thing is that insurance is neither affordable, nor is the coverage that most people have adequate. Health care, though readily available, is neither affordable, nor adequate, primarily because it is controlled by insurance. My personal opinion on that whole situation is that it is time for our government to reign in that wild horse. Am I saying that is what will happen-regardless of who is in office. No. Too much money to be made off pharmacuticals, etc. (Back to the special interest groups.)

Now do you even want to get me started on our educational system?

Its all good, Daniel, but thank you for explaining your rant to me. I feel much better now.

Linda

Ally_Kat
08-10-2004, 04:32 PM
Yeah, but on the same time I don't want the socialistic health care system Kerry wants to put forth. Taxes would go thru the roof. There is no way he could keep his promise of not tax raise and then a tax cut for the middle class and put it in forth. I'd rather keep it as it is now. I've been to free clinics that NY puts out. No thank you.

conmee
08-10-2004, 04:51 PM
We can have a 'socialistic health care' system without all the taxes, if we could reel in all the regulation, litigation, and bureacracy. At least that's the vision/dream/hope.... lol.

Icon.

conmee
08-10-2004, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by lms
Okay...I agree with all that. I saw the lmao...I guess I am used to people on here laughing at me, not with me. Well, trying to pick fights anyway. .... Linda

When was the last time Sarge or a Webbie came in here and made fun of you? I'll fire Pojo on the spot if that is the case.... lol... In general, I am the friendly, sarcastic webbie with ties to the BCE. Brownsound is the redneck, and Pojo lives in a trailer--make of this statement what you will... and Sarge... well, he lives on a huge spread in Texas and drives a Cadillac Escalade while working for the U.S. Army...

And sadly... my SUV payment is more than my parents' mortgage... however they bought property 20 years ago and have very low financing... they were thinking ahead when they bought land in Las Vegas... circa 1982, population 200,000.... lol

Icon.

lms
08-10-2004, 05:06 PM
Agreed, but disagree. I was a foster parent for ten years. Foster children are on "medical cards" or state paid health care. It is next to impossible to get them treated anywhere, because of the limitations that the government puts on the doctors. The treatment that is available to them is often substandard, by well meaning personnel who are simply overworked and overwhelmed. That is not the answer. What do you think would be the answer?

lms
08-10-2004, 05:07 PM
:)

WACF
08-10-2004, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by Ally_Kat
Yeah, but on the same time I don't want the socialistic health care system Kerry wants to put forth. Taxes would go thru the roof. There is no way he could keep his promise of not tax raise and then a tax cut for the middle class and put it in forth. I'd rather keep it as it is now. I've been to free clinics that NY puts out. No thank you.

Socialistic health care can work...but damned right it is expensive.
A large portion of our budget goes right there...and it costs you in other areas...for example...our military, money for highways ect.
It is pretty much impossible to have everything.

I don't know if anyone has done any figures.
I would be curious to know if what we pay in our taxes to fund health care would be similar...< or > then private health insurance.
There is no doubt that in our system it could be better run...but that is politics.
The advantage to a socialistic approach is that everyone is covered...the down side is some abuse it...running to the doctor with every runny nose....costly.

WACF
08-10-2004, 06:14 PM
I should note....I have no clue what Kerry wants.

I just am speaking on our system, which is socialistic.

Phil theStalker
08-11-2004, 11:01 AM
Originally posted by HELLVIS
Tell the truth. Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago.
Please, no Kerry sucks/Bush sucks bullshit answers. Are you personally better or worse off? How so?
..abso-fucking-lutely not!

..i am literally netting (and grossing) 50% less than I did in only January 2004..

..fakk 4 yeers ago..

..i wuz rich and SAFE then..


..my government is endangering me with it foreign policy, mainly for oil..

..the middle easterners don't hate me, don't hate you, they hate your politicians..


..hmmmmmm,,, lets see EVERYBODY i've ever talked t2o wuz against NAFTA yet the senators pass it and pres. signs it (Clinton, labors' President signs a Republican fuck the workers bill NAFTA int2o law - the end of the U.S. is taking place before your eyes!)..

..let's mme see heres agins..


..everyboddy i talk t2o is against the draft..

..yet they (our masters in D.C.) say THEY are going t2o reinstate the draft..


..noboody i speak t2o wants the draft, nobody i speak to wannted NAFTA yet it happens..

..so who is running the country??????????

NOT THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!

You are doomed you know.

Your government has been taken away from you.


I don't have time for you. I"m poorer and its getting worse..no matter who is pres, dems or repubs..

..listen to FORD and stop playing "debate" games with YOUR LIVES..

..it's a matter of time before you and yours will be in ration lines first for water, then..


..not long after the next big nuke da city "terror" attack..

..yeh, our foreign policy by our masters works to get us killed..


..it's not funny how the "terrorists" targets are us the U.S. PUBLIC while not targeting Halliburton's own headquarters, a lot less security than the White House, and places like that..

..the "terrorists" could knock off senators who vote for more Israeli foreign aid for guns, tanks, fighter jets, and that wall theyre building with U.S. foreign aid..

..israel builds nothing, it has no exports, so where does it get the money to be the worlds fouth largest military????

..from the U.S., but not ME in the U.S., but from the U.S. politicians voting each year to send foreign aid..


..why can't al-qaeda find and blow up them????

..hmmmm..

..ask the tough questions..


..the 911 commission..

..they didn't even get into "structural failure."

..there was no commission to find the truth..

..you are accepting a lie and a joke..

..you will be in rations lines..







..and it ain't gitting better or going t2o git betta..


..
..


..civil war coming to you soon:)

Phil theStalker
08-11-2004, 11:24 AM
Originally posted by HELLVIS
I'll go first.....
Much much better.
During the last four years, I bought a house, two new cars, witnessed the birth of my son, and got a champion english mastiff. During the previous eight years, I drove a used car, and rented an apartment.
I'm now self employed and lovin' it.
I guess that part corroborates the Bush camp's claim that while withheld tax collections may be down, self employment is way up.
No matter what I hear or read, I only truly know how things are going for me, and I'll vote accordingly. I can't/won't vote for you. If things aren't going so well for you, then maybe you should vote differently.
..look, you sound like an AMWAY distributor..

..every time the econo goes south those cable TV get rich during this econo disaster buying foreclosures wit no $$$$ down commercials go on!

..did you buy the video package or just the tapes and books?

..or are you selling those trinkets drop shipped to your customer from their warehouse all done on computer and checks just show up in yer mail box daily..

..why don't you get two mail boxes and double your rich Bush administration income pappy..


..congratulations on the child..

..but the rest is your personal cable TV rags to riches joke..


..but if it works for you.. hey, buy more guns and ammo than the poorer people..

..civil war is coming down for you and for them..


..if you haven't already start putting away supplies or it's going to be very hard after the goverment's CIA friends attack the American PUBLIC again (ya know they always miss Halliburton's HQ in their attacks)..

..git guns to shoot at the poor people, because they're going to be shooting at you..

..Americans shooting at Americans..

..we're as dumb as the terrorists..


..we shouldn't end up shooting at each other..

..we should be running the global one world government puppets out of our COUNTRY'S government offices by traditional means used in the past, i.e., ballots or bullets


..we'vv been using ballots and they don't even werk so wot do yoo think is going t2o happen next?


You're afraid.

That's why you don't admit it's that bad.


As fer da guy whom I'm responding t2o in dis thred, yoo may be doing good, but if yoo don't know the rest of the country isn't, and you're right that it doesn't matter who is Pres, then you're an out of touch mother that doesn't care about nobody but yourself and you're part of the problem and not part of the solution with your great "success" under Bush's 4 years.


I really don't have time for this, but I try to share with you peeps when I think I can help and I see huge misconceptions playing out in threads here.

I'll go back to the hitchworld dump where the world makes sense:)

We are on a hair's edge of changing everything, living the way you've known it. It will all be gone in a day.

Seshmeister
08-11-2004, 12:22 PM
$137k Jesus Conmee that's scary shit.

I got out of education just as they started that shit here and my total loan bill was $1k after 6 years of University.

The rest of your post rings true.

Healthcare seems to be a problem in just about every country at the moment whether it's free like here or insurance based like the US. Even the French and Germans who seemed to have cracked the problem with hybrid type schemes are starting to struggle.

Cheers!

:gulp:

Phil theStalker
08-11-2004, 01:18 PM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
$137k Jesus Conmee that's scary shit.

I got out of education just as they started that shit here and my total loan bill was $1k after 6 years of University.

The rest of your post rings true.

Healthcare seems to be a problem in just about every country at the moment whether it's free like here or insurance based like the US. Even the French and Germans who seemed to have cracked the problem with hybrid type schemes are starting to struggle.

Cheers!

:gulp:
Ignore the truth.

No systems are going to matter when they wash the blackboard with the one world government war, that's what it's for, to get rid of your old and developing systems to be replaced with a one world government system.. for the few still surviving alive after terror N-Day.

Get the U.S. and Western bases out of the Middle East or they're going to clean your clocks for your masters to roll in their one world government.

Health care under a one world government.. we'll all pay for global rights to global health care.. we'll pay for it in blood.. global war coming to a life near you.

Wayne L.
08-11-2004, 07:53 PM
Since I'm an Independent who isn't a card carrying Democrat or Republican & thinks both political parties are out of their minds politically with their rhetoric but I think I'm better of than I was 4 years ago which has nothing to do with Bush or Kerry or whoever is in the White House at the moment!

HELLVIS
08-11-2004, 11:06 PM
conmee...You're killin' me. :lol:

freak
08-11-2004, 11:21 PM
Originally posted by HELLVIS
Tell the truth. Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago.

Yes.
Financially and otherwise.

Seshmeister
08-11-2004, 11:35 PM
Given the demographic here maybe a more interesting thread would be 'Are you getting more sex than you were 4 years ago?'

HELLVIS
08-11-2004, 11:45 PM
Originally posted by Phil theStalker
..look, you sound like an AMWAY distributor..

..every time the econo goes south those cable TV get rich during this econo disaster buying foreclosures wit no $$$$ down commercials go on!

..did you buy the video package or just the tapes and books?

..or are you selling those trinkets drop shipped to your customer from their warehouse all done on computer and checks just show up in yer mail box daily..

..why don't you get two mail boxes and double your rich Bush administration income pappy..


..congratulations on the child..

..but the rest is your personal cable TV rags to riches joke..


..but if it works for you.. hey, buy more guns and ammo than the poorer people..

..civil war is coming down for you and for them..


..if you haven't already start putting away supplies or it's going to be very hard after the goverment's CIA friends attack the American PUBLIC again (ya know they always miss Halliburton's HQ in their attacks)..

..git guns to shoot at the poor people, because they're going to be shooting at you..

..Americans shooting at Americans..

..we're as dumb as the terrorists..


..we shouldn't end up shooting at each other..

..we should be running the global one world government puppets out of our COUNTRY'S government offices by traditional means used in the past, i.e., ballots or bullets


..we'vv been using ballots and they don't even werk so wot do yoo think is going t2o happen next?


You're afraid.

That's why you don't admit it's that bad.


As fer da guy whom I'm responding t2o in dis thred, yoo may be doing good, but if yoo don't know the rest of the country isn't, and you're right that it doesn't matter who is Pres, then you're an out of touch mother that doesn't care about nobody but yourself and you're part of the problem and not part of the solution with your great "success" under Bush's 4 years.


I really don't have time for this, but I try to share with you peeps when I think I can help and I see huge misconceptions playing out in threads here.

I'll go back to the hitchworld dump where the world makes sense:)

We are on a hair's edge of changing everything, living the way you've known it. It will all be gone in a day.

GREAT POST! While I may not be in agreement with you, I respect your point of view. You impress me with the fact that you are focused, unlike so many others on these boards.
I started this thread because there is so much Bush/Kerry bashing that it often appears that no one is thinking, and I'd like to know what everyone truly thinks. Hell, I already know what we're all regurgitating.

HELLVIS
08-11-2004, 11:47 PM
Oh, did I forget to say........you're freakin' me out man!!!!

freak
08-12-2004, 12:30 AM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
Given the demographic here maybe a more interesting thread would be 'Are you getting more sex than you were 4 years ago?'

Yes, that would be the "otherwise" part of my response ;)

classicdude
08-12-2004, 01:18 AM
Hellvis - that reminds me of a review of a Kurt Russell Elvis movie in TV Guide years ago. They called it a "Hunka hunka burnin' junk' That's not a slam, btw! Good topic! Yes, I am better off than I was 4 years ago. I am 4 years further removed from the ex :) , I have a cycle now, freedom, better pay, less debt. I don't have my own house like some posters here, but I am generally happy. (I have a woman who doesn't have the insecurity hangups; she just flashed me her :boobs: as I was checking out the :boobs: in the pictures forum...how fookin' cool is that)

Seriously, I hear the point of PHILTHESTALKER - IMO we are as close or closer to 'taxation without representation' than we were in the colonial days. I don't feel I'm getting jack for my tax dollar....do you??:confused:

lms2
08-12-2004, 04:25 AM
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/trump_casinos

Here is one of the things I am talking about.

If you read the whole story, or skim it, you will note at the bottom of the page, that this is the second time Trump has filed for bankrutpcy protection. Who do you think ends up paying for his playing?

lms2
08-12-2004, 04:26 AM
not getting jack...getting jacked is more like it.