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BigBadBrian
08-12-2004, 10:21 AM
On criticizing a 12-year-old girl
Dennis Prager
August 10, 2004


No column I have written has elicited more hate mail than my last one on the 12-year-old girl who spoke at the Democratic National Convention and publicly ridiculed Vice President Dick Cheney. I have written against same-sex marriage; on behalf of the president's international policies, capital punishment and Israel; argued for the superiority of the Judeo-Christian value system; and even defended divorce. Yet no column has elicited so much anger, use of expletives and foolish thinking.

It is clear I hit a deep nerve among many liberals and Democrats.

I wrote that this young girl exemplified the modern liberal desire to erase distinctions between children and adults, citing a number of examples, including the desire to lower the voting age first to 18 and now in California to 16 or even 14; not having children call adults "Mr." or "Mrs."; and having students rather than professors determine college curricula.

And I wrote that "Democrats went crazy . . . listening to a 12-year-old publicly mock the Republican vice president of the United States."

But what most infuriated my liberal correspondents was my writing, "This girl has accomplished nothing compared to Dick Cheney. She has no wisdom, no humility and no knowledge beyond the leftist platitudes spoon-fed by her parents and schools. She is a mere child, more foolish than most, in that she actually thinks she has earned the right to publicly ridicule the vice president of the United States."

Here are some examples:

"Has it come to this? The desperation of the GOP? Insulting a 12 yr old girl. You sure are a class act."

"You're an a--hole for saying that Wexler girl has not earned the right to criticize Cheney. F--- YOU d--k head."

"I have found that my own kids, aged 5 and 6 now can make very profound statements and can be very wise."

"Ilana Wexler earned the right to criticize anyone she wants to on the day she was born an American, you idiot!"

"Picking on little girls -- too pathetic for comment, really. I will pray for you. Geek."

"You are a very sad person if picking on the kid at the convention is your idea of clever writing."

"You have some nerve picking on a child. But I guess that is what we should all expect from Republicans now. Bible thumping and self righteousness all the while raping and molesting children when they think no one is looking. So, blow it out your ass."

"In re: your incredibly harsh words for Ilana Wexler . . . Go F--- Yourself."

Obviously, two themes particularly disturbed my thoughtful correspondents: That I criticized a 12-year-old girl and that I wrote she had not earned the right to publicly ridicule the vice president of the United States.

Regarding the first, the criticism of me presupposes that my column was all about the girl. It wasn't. It was about the Democrats' use of her.

Having said that, however, why should a 12-year-old girl be immune from adult criticism? Because of her age? This objection is staggering in its inversion of traditional wisdom, which held that it is 12-year-olds who generally need to hold their tongues before they criticize, let alone ridicule, an adult; and that it is adults' role to criticize the young so as to make them responsible adults. Unlike those liberals who take great pride in a 12-year-old publicly mocking the vice president of the United States, I would be ashamed of a 12-year-old conservative who publicly ridiculed a Democratic vice president.

Furthermore, note the double standard invoked here. A 12-year-old girl should be invited to speak at a national political convention and be taken seriously when she speaks -- but criticizing her is out of bounds because she is 12! This line of thinking reinforced my contention that the Democrats hid behind a 12-year-old girl because they did not have the courage to attack Vice President Cheney themselves.

I am also certain that the fact that the child was a girl added to the dismissal of me as out of line in criticizing her. In the feminist world in which liberals live, liberal girls and women of any age are immune from criticism, especially from men. We are allowed only to celebrate opinionated liberal females, whether Teresa Heinz Kerry or Ilana Wexler.

The second major liberal objection -- that all Americans have the right to free speech, so only an enemy of free speech could question the right of Ilana to do what she did -- is a non-sequitur.

You have to willfully misread what I wrote to infer that I questioned the girl's legal or constitutional right to do what she did.

What I wrote is that "She is a mere child, more foolish than most, in that she actually thinks she has earned the right to publicly ridicule the vice president of the United States."

I was simply asserting that before one mocks the American vice president at a national political convention, one ought to have earned the stature to do so, and I cannot imagine any 12-year-old who has. It is abundantly clear that the notion of earning stature is alien to many, probably most, liberals' thinking. Rights thinking so dominates the liberal mind that having the right to speech has to come to mean the same as always exercising it.

Childhood is the time to be a child and to be imbued with the values that will enable one to be a politically wise adult. I have enormous interest in speaking with children, but I have little interest in their political views. But, hey, I'm not a contemporary liberal.

BigBadBrian
08-12-2004, 10:22 AM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Childhood is the time to be a child and to be imbued with the values that will enable one to be a politically wise adult. I have enormous interest in speaking with children, but I have little interest in their political views. But, hey, I'm not a contemporary liberal.

I think most liberals think like children, however. :gulp:

FORD
08-12-2004, 10:37 AM
Funny, I seem to recall the Busheep getting all googly eyed over some little kid who was brainwashed into reading neocon bullshit on the air.

Can't remember the kid's name...if anybody else can, post the link!

ODShowtime
08-12-2004, 10:39 AM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
On criticizing a 12-year-old girl
Dennis Prager
August 10, 2004

I have enormous interest in speaking with children, but I have little interest in their political views. But, hey, I'm not a contemporary liberal.

Good point there. I doubt the girl could understand the nuances of Cheney's real evil.

The reason they had her speak is becuase everyone else is terrified of that SOB. The man is E-V-I-L. But that is pretty shitty having a 12 year old talk bad about him. I mean, he surely cannot personally fight back.

JCOOK
08-12-2004, 11:14 AM
I watched that and almost puked,but thats way libs typically act

BigBadBrian
08-12-2004, 12:38 PM
Originally posted by JCOOK
I watched that and almost puked,but thats way libs typically act

They'll undoubtedly have kids protesting at the GOP convention also.

lms2
08-12-2004, 10:03 PM
As always, I am an advocate of free speech. That particular little girl respresents a special interest group; the children of America. The future tax payers, rule makers, and the ones who are gonna be watching over my ass in the old folks home. It is never too early to get them involved in politics. Let them debate, let them learn.

I don't think that was the right time or place for her to express her views, but then noone asked me. Since she has spoken, let her hear ALL responses to her speech. The true test is whether or not she can handle having her convictions questioned and whether or not she can defend her stance with something besides FUCK YOU SHEEP, TO THE PEN. I certainly hope so.

On the legal voting age. I think there are some 40 and 50 years olds out there that are not ready to be "on their own" yet. I believe there are some 12 and 13 years olds out there that would be better off without their drug addicted, abusive, parental figures who use them for welfare benefits they never see. I believe we should have an emancipation policy for any youth under the age of 18 who no longer wants to abide by their parents rules. A simple "competency test" they could pass to earn the rights otherwise not due to them until the age of majority. Once said test has been passed, let them enter the workforce, pay their own rent, make their own way, vote, join the services... whatever their mature little hearts desire. If at any point they fail however, they must submit themselves to "boot camp" with mandatory education and manual labor until they have passed the course. We could call it "tough love".

Big Train
08-13-2004, 02:00 AM
Way to go liberals....using kids as human debate shields. Send grown men to do your dirty work next time. That was the single biggest act of pandering to emotional women I have ever seen. The look on that girls face after was disturbing to me , like she did something HUGE.

I like the idea of kids following and understanding politics, but what was the use of that at the convention? Can't there be some sort of Junior debates held in a high school somewhere? What was the point of showing her, especially when there were so many senior members of the party who got shut out of TV time, which was a major complaint about liberals ABOUT the Liberal media. Perhaps the media was trying to help their cause "This guy is rambling, we've got nothing, cut to the little girl.....NOW....Where the Fuck are the fuckin BALOONS?!!!!???"

Ally_Kat
08-13-2004, 02:15 AM
God help us if they lower the voting age. I go to another board that has a lot of 13 to 17 year olds debating politics and my head hurts after a while.

13yearold: Vote Kerry because Bush looks like a monkey

Me: you have other reasons, right?

13yearold: no. he looks like a monkey and everyone else makes fun of him so he's GOT TO GO!!!!!

Me: kill me now.

I don't care what side they want to be on as long as they have mature reasons for beinga certain way. And the few on that board that will string some sentences together either quote nobody but Moore or resort to, "you're an old hag! What do you know about the state of the world today!!!!!!111"

18 is young enough.

Ally_Kat
08-13-2004, 02:16 AM
And I pray to God I didn't sound like them when I was 17. I shudder at the thought.

WACF
08-13-2004, 01:48 PM
Sometimes even 18 is too young.

Mezro
08-13-2004, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by FORD
Can't remember the kid's name...if anybody else can, post the link!

William Hung

Mezro...or was it Dan Quayle...

WolfStar999
08-16-2004, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by lms2
"...I believe we should have an emancipation policy for any youth under the age of 18 who no longer wants to abide by their parents rules. A simple "competency test" they could pass to earn the rights otherwise not due to them until the age of majority. Once said test has been passed, let them enter the workforce, pay their own rent, make their own way, vote, join the services... whatever their mature little hearts desire. If at any point they fail however, they must submit themselves to "boot camp" with mandatory education and manual labor until they have passed the course. We could call it "tough love"."

Now that's just creepy. National Socialists, party of one! Your table's ready.

lms2
08-21-2004, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by WolfStar999
Now that's just creepy. National Socialists, party of one! Your table's ready.

I get to eat at a table?

ELVIS
08-22-2004, 03:16 AM
Originally posted by Big Train
Way to go liberals....using kids as human debate shields.


Good call!

Incredible, isn't it ??


:elvis: