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DLR'sCock
08-15-2004, 05:42 PM
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?id=128


'Fahrenheit 9/11' Interview of
CIA Nominee Porter Goss: "I am Not Qualified."
Michaelmoore.com

Is this really the guy who should be running the CIA?

Watch the Video, From MichaelMoore.Com:
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On Tuesday, August 10th, 2004, George W. Bush nominated Florida Rep. Porter Goss to head the Central Intelligence Agency.

Rep. Porter Goss, appeared briefly in Michael Moore's 'Fahrenheit 9/11.' But part of his March 3, 2004 interview for the movie, which did not make it into the film, has suddenly taken on major significance. The following is an excerpt from the interview:

INTERVIEWER: You come from intelligence. This is what you did, this is what you know.

REP. GOSS: Uh, that was, uh, 35 years ago.

INTERVIEWER: Okay.

REP. GOSS: It is true I was in CIA from approximately the late 50's to approximately the early 70's. And it's true I was a case officer, clandestine services office and yes I do understand the core mission of the business. I couldn't get a job with CIA today. I am not qualified. I don't have the language skills. I, you know, my language skills were romance languages and stuff. We're looking for Arabists today. I don't have the cultural background probably. And I certainly don't have the technical skills, uh, as my children remind me every day, "Dad you got to get better on your computer." Uh, so, the things that you need to have, I don't have.
-- Rep. Porter Goss, March 3, 2004, Washington, DC

These statements directly contradict President Bush's comments on Mr. Goss. Pointing to his CIA experience, Bush said, "He knows the CIA inside and out" and "He's the right man to lead this important agency at this critical moment in our nation's history."






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Goss Was Once Latin America Operative
The Associated Press

Wednesday 11 August 2004

There was plenty for a young CIA officer to do when Porter J. Goss, almost fresh out of Yale, arrived in Latin America in the early 1960s.

The Republican congressman nominated Tuesday to head the CIA apparently spent most of his career as a clandestine operative in the region, with postings to Mexico, the Dominican Republic and Haiti, though the dates for his service in each country remain unclear.

Cuba was the dominant issue. Its 1959 revolution _ at first a broadly based movement to topple a dictator _ was sharply veering toward the left, putting a major Soviet ally just 90 miles off U.S. shores in the middle of the Cold War.

Details of Goss' career remain shrouded by four decades of secrecy. It is among the least-explored decades of any current U.S. politician's past. Neither he nor the CIA have given any but the sketchiest description.

Goss apparently joined the CIA just out of Yale, where he earned a degree in ancient Greek in 1960.

He worked in Miami, which was becoming a magnet for Cuban emigres. Some were recruited by the CIA and trained for what turned out to be one of the agency's greatest disasters: the 1961 invasion of Cuba that was crushed by Fidel Castro at the Bay of Pigs.

A year later, the world narrowly averted nuclear war during the Cuban missile crisis involving the United States and Soviet Union.

During a 2002 interview with The Washington Post, Goss joked that he performed photo interpretation and "small-boat handling," which led to "some very interesting moments in the Florida Straits." He acknowledged he had recruited and run foreign agents.

The Bay of Pigs plan had been inspired partly by a successful CIA-backed overthrow of Guatemala's populist government in 1954. That helped set off Guatemala's 34-year civil war, which was growing as Goss worked in the region.

It also sent a then-obscure Argentine wanderer, Ernesto Guevara hurrying to Mexico City. There "Che" met and joined up with Castro's guerrillas as they returned to Cuba in 1956 to start the revolution.

Goss arrived in Mexico City only a very few, if eventful years later.

Haiti _ just off of Cuba's eastern tip _ was governed by the famously brutal dictator Francois "Papa Doc" Duvalier.

The Dominican Republic, which shares the island of Hispaniola with Haiti, was torn with political turmoil, a struggle between backers of the populist President Juan Bosch and his conservative foes.

Jittery about the example of nearby Cuba, the United States invaded the island with thousands of troops in 1965.

Mexico was both Cuba's closest friend in the Americas and one of the CIA's great playgrounds.

It was the only country in the region to snub Washington's calls to cut ties with Castro's government. But it also allowed CIA operatives to watch flights to and from Cuba, as well as the Soviet and Cuban embassies in the Mexican capital. Cuba at the time had no other embassies in Latin America.

That monitoring allowed U.S. officials to photograph Lee Harvey Oswald entering the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City not long before he assassinated John F. Kennedy.

Cuba, meanwhile, was openly trying to spread revolutions around the hemisphere _ with the notable exception of Mexico. U.S. espionage helped track down Guevara's rebel band in Bolivia in 1968. He was captured and killed.

Mexico, meanwhile, was growing turbulent itself.

The government preached a populist, sometimes quasi-socialist politics, but largely cooperated with the United States and crushed leftist dissent.

A few scattered radicals took up arms and became guerrillas in the cities and mountains in the 1960s. They grew greatly in number after the government's security forces massacred student demonstrators in 1968 just before that year's Olympics, causing many Mexicans to give up hope of reforms.

It is not clear if Goss was involved in following that event. He apparently left the region in the late 1960s for London.

During a 1970 trip to Washington from his home in London, Goss collapsed in his hotel room, suffering from a mysterious blood infection that affected his heart and kidneys. Goss survived but his career as a field operative was over. He retired from the CIA in 1971.

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Sarge's Little Helper
08-15-2004, 05:42 PM
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?id=128


'Fahrenheit 9/11' Interview of
CIA Nominee Porter Goss: "I am Not Qualified."
Michaelmoore.com

Is this really the guy who should be running the CIA?

Watch the Video, From MichaelMoore.Com:
Windows Media http://win20ca.audiovideoweb.com/ca20win15004/goss.wmvPlayer

Quicktime
http://interface.audiovideoweb.com/lnk/avwebdswebsrvr2143/news_video/goss.mov/play

On Tuesday, August 10th, 2004, George W. Bush nominated Florida Rep. Porter Goss to head the Central Intelligence Agency.

Rep. Porter Goss, appeared briefly in Michael Moore's 'Fahrenheit 9/11.' But part of his March 3, 2004 interview for the movie, which did not make it into the film, has suddenly taken on major significance. The following is an excerpt from the interview:

INTERVIEWER: You come from intelligence. This is what you did, this is what you know.

REP. GOSS: Uh, that was, uh, 35 years ago.

INTERVIEWER: Okay.

REP. GOSS: It is true I was in CIA from approximately the late 50's to approximately the early 70's. And it's true I was a case officer, clandestine services office and yes I do understand the core mission of the business. I couldn't get a job with CIA today. I am not qualified. I don't have the language skills. I, you know, my language skills were romance languages and stuff. We're looking for Arabists today. I don't have the cultural background probably. And I certainly don't have the technical skills, uh, as my children remind me every day, "Dad you got to get better on your computer." Uh, so, the things that you need to have, I don't have.
-- Rep. Porter Goss, March 3, 2004, Washington, DC

These statements directly contradict President Bush's comments on Mr. Goss. Pointing to his CIA experience, Bush said, "He knows the CIA inside and out" and "He's the right man to lead this important agency at this critical moment in our nation's history."






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http://asia.news.yahoo.com/040811/ap/d84crvio0.html

Goss Was Once Latin America Operative
The Associated Press

Wednesday 11 August 2004

There was plenty for a young CIA officer to do when Porter J. Goss, almost fresh out of Yale, arrived in Latin America in the early 1960s.

The Republican congressman nominated Tuesday to head the CIA apparently spent most of his career as a clandestine operative in the region, with postings to Mexico, the Dominican Republic and Haiti, though the dates for his service in each country remain unclear.

Cuba was the dominant issue. Its 1959 revolution _ at first a broadly based movement to topple a dictator _ was sharply veering toward the left, putting a major Soviet ally just 90 miles off U.S. shores in the middle of the Cold War.

Details of Goss' career remain shrouded by four decades of secrecy. It is among the least-explored decades of any current U.S. politician's past. Neither he nor the CIA have given any but the sketchiest description.

Goss apparently joined the CIA just out of Yale, where he earned a degree in ancient Greek in 1960.

He worked in Miami, which was becoming a magnet for Cuban emigres. Some were recruited by the CIA and trained for what turned out to be one of the agency's greatest disasters: the 1961 invasion of Cuba that was crushed by Fidel Castro at the Bay of Pigs.

A year later, the world narrowly averted nuclear war during the Cuban missile crisis involving the United States and Soviet Union.

During a 2002 interview with The Washington Post, Goss joked that he performed photo interpretation and "small-boat handling," which led to "some very interesting moments in the Florida Straits." He acknowledged he had recruited and run foreign agents.

The Bay of Pigs plan had been inspired partly by a successful CIA-backed overthrow of Guatemala's populist government in 1954. That helped set off Guatemala's 34-year civil war, which was growing as Goss worked in the region.

It also sent a then-obscure Argentine wanderer, Ernesto Guevara hurrying to Mexico City. There "Che" met and joined up with Castro's guerrillas as they returned to Cuba in 1956 to start the revolution.

Goss arrived in Mexico City only a very few, if eventful years later.

Haiti _ just off of Cuba's eastern tip _ was governed by the famously brutal dictator Francois "Papa Doc" Duvalier.

The Dominican Republic, which shares the island of Hispaniola with Haiti, was torn with political turmoil, a struggle between backers of the populist President Juan Bosch and his conservative foes.

Jittery about the example of nearby Cuba, the United States invaded the island with thousands of troops in 1965.

Mexico was both Cuba's closest friend in the Americas and one of the CIA's great playgrounds.

It was the only country in the region to snub Washington's calls to cut ties with Castro's government. But it also allowed CIA operatives to watch flights to and from Cuba, as well as the Soviet and Cuban embassies in the Mexican capital. Cuba at the time had no other embassies in Latin America.

That monitoring allowed U.S. officials to photograph Lee Harvey Oswald entering the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City not long before he assassinated John F. Kennedy.

Cuba, meanwhile, was openly trying to spread revolutions around the hemisphere _ with the notable exception of Mexico. U.S. espionage helped track down Guevara's rebel band in Bolivia in 1968. He was captured and killed.

Mexico, meanwhile, was growing turbulent itself.

The government preached a populist, sometimes quasi-socialist politics, but largely cooperated with the United States and crushed leftist dissent.

A few scattered radicals took up arms and became guerrillas in the cities and mountains in the 1960s. They grew greatly in number after the government's security forces massacred student demonstrators in 1968 just before that year's Olympics, causing many Mexicans to give up hope of reforms.

It is not clear if Goss was involved in following that event. He apparently left the region in the late 1960s for London.

During a 1970 trip to Washington from his home in London, Goss collapsed in his hotel room, suffering from a mysterious blood infection that affected his heart and kidneys. Goss survived but his career as a field operative was over. He retired from the CIA in 1971.

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Oops. I wasn't paying attention. Tell me again what is going on.

BigBadBrian
08-15-2004, 07:46 PM
Duplicate thread.

Satan
08-15-2004, 09:53 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Duplicate thread.

Not really. Similar subjects, but different articles. It would be a natural for a merged thread, but that function has been disabled on this board.

CyberDust6
08-16-2004, 12:20 AM
Actually, I think when he says he is not qualified to work for the CIA he was referring to being an undercover agent in the field. He says this because he is now in his sixties and would be too old to be an agent, and he was trained to be an agent during the Cold War. Because of his training during the Cold War he has knowledge of Western Europe Romance, Latin, based languages, as opposed to Arabic languages, which is what CIA agents in the field use today since we are no longer fighting the Russians, but instead terrorists in the Middle East. However, just because he is too old to be an agent and does not speak Arabic, does not make him “unqualified” to run the CIA as the director. His experience as a CIA agent in the field would give him valuable insight as to the inner workings of the CIA, and would definitely make him a better leader. I think what is going on here is that people are taking Goss’s words out of context. Just my opinion though.

DLR'sCock
08-16-2004, 10:50 AM
At the same time, there must be better qualified candidates out there for this position...but he did say, "I couldn't get a job with CIA today."


Ironic no?

Sgt Schultz
08-16-2004, 10:56 AM
Originally posted by DLR'sCock
At the same time, there must be better qualified candidates out there for this position...but he did say, "I couldn't get a job with CIA today."


Ironic no?

Typical Michael Moorish crap. He was talking about being a case officer back when he started and now. He was saying that NOW they need people with certain qualifications that a different than they were then - as a case officer.

ELVIS
08-16-2004, 11:22 AM
Originally posted by CyberDust6
Actually, I think when he says he is not qualified to work for the CIA he was referring to being an undercover agent in the field. He says this because he is now in his sixties and would be too old to be an agent, and he was trained to be an agent during the Cold War. Because of his training during the Cold War he has knowledge of Western Europe Romance, Latin, based languages, as opposed to Arabic languages, which is what CIA agents in the field use today since we are no longer fighting the Russians, but instead terrorists in the Middle East. However, just because he is too old to be an agent and does not speak Arabic, does not make him “unqualified” to run the CIA as the director. His experience as a CIA agent in the field would give him valuable insight as to the inner workings of the CIA, and would definitely make him a better leader. I think what is going on here is that people are taking Goss’s words out of context. Just my opinion though.


Thakya very much...


:elvis: