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BigBadBrian
08-20-2004, 08:18 AM
Then What About Iran, Senator Kerry?
David Limbaugh

August 20, 2004

Since John Kerry can't get his story straight on Iraq even with the benefit of hindsight and tons of "second" chances to explain his position, let's consider how he might deal with other possible threats -- such as Iran.

But first, a little background. I recently wrote a column addressing Kerry's apparent reversal on Iraq after President Bush demanded that he tell us whether he would have voted for the Iraq war resolution given what we know now about our failure to find WMD stockpiles there.

Kerry said he would answer the question "directly," and then proceeded to answer it indirectly. Yes, he would still vote for the resolution authorizing President Bush to attack Iraq.

Silly me. I took him at his word and wrote a column pointing out how inconsistent this "clarification" was with his convention speech promise that we'd only go to war "if we had to," not because we wanted to.

Kerry's handlers immediately said Kerry didn't really mean that he would have approved of going to war with Iraq, just that he would still have voted for the resolution authorizing President Bush to attack Iraq. The difference, you see, is that Kerry believed Bush would only go to war as a last resort and, then, only after he'd exhausted all efforts to build a larger coalition, to include those nations who hate America.

It appears that Kerry was splitting hairs again, engaged in another dodge that would permit him to continue threading the needle between well-grounded Americans who want to know their president will safeguard America's national security interests and the Michael Moore nutcases that constitute at least five of the six carburetors of Kerry's presidential campaign engine.

Perhaps President Bush, understanding Kerry's inability to stay put on any issue, should have added more qualifiers to his question. He should have asked him, "Would you, Senator, have voted to allow me to attack Iraq knowing that 1) we were not going to find WMD there and 2) I was not going to wait for Saddam to violate another 17 U.N. resolutions, correct his 12,000-page report of lies or shoot down some of our jets over the no-fly zone, and 3) I was not about to wait for the permission of France, Germany and Russia?

But forget the indirection, nuance and semantics. Given that this war on terror is going to persist for years, how would Kerry approach another rogue state -- such as Iran -- in the face of strong evidence that this nation constituted, say, a "gathering threat" to our national security?

Actually, pondering such questions is what scares me most about a Kerry presidency during these dangerous times. His worldview seems to make him impervious to certain moral distinctions among nations and the nature of the threat some might pose to our national security.

Kerry has been consistent on a few things over the years. He has been slow to recognize America's enemies. He was oblivious to the nature and threat of global communism. He still does not comprehend the nature and threat of terrorism. And he has always wanted to play "Mother, may I," with our "allies."

Just go back and read his 1971 Senate Foreign Relations Committee testimony, set out in Chapter 6 of "Unfit for Command." He peddled the Communist propaganda that Vietnam was engaged in a civil war, that the Vietnamese people "didn't even know the difference between communism and democracy" and that America's actions were morally equivalent to the Viet Cong's. (In 1971, Kerry also described as "ludicrous" predictions that there would be a bloodbath if we were to withdraw. Yet the Communists killed an estimated 3.5 million people in their post-war purges and placed possibly a million in "reeducation camps" when we withdrew.)

And, in a foreshadowing of his obsession with "multilateralism," Kerry said, "We found also that all too often, American men were dying in those rice paddies for want of support from their allies."

This consistent pattern provides a glimpse into Kerry's soul, where we find a man who simply doesn't sufficiently grasp the profound differences between freedom and tyranny, between a benevolent power and the evil forces that want to destroy it.

If Kerry is elected president, we honestly don't know whether he would clearly perceive threats to our national security. He voted against the first Gulf War. He's been all over the board with the second one. He even thought it was necessary to assure us that he would indeed respond if America were attacked! Now that's reassuring.

The main reason Kerry has been inconsistent on the Iraq question is that he's been trying to fit a square peg (his antiwar DNA) into a round hole (the nation's awareness that we are in a dangerous war). America can't afford to take the risk of electing him.

knuckleboner
08-20-2004, 09:50 AM
again, will bush attack iran?

tough talk in the state of the union speech a few years ago. axis of evil, iraq, iran, north korea.

we know north korea has WMD, and has threatened American cities with fire if we try and interfer. we have pretty much categorically stated that we won't be invading north korea.

iran is certainly working on technology that will allow it to produce fissionable, weapons-grade uranium. this country is clearly anti-american, and near as i can tell, no less of a threat than saddam hussein.

yes, they are making some progress with their civilian (unfortunately, mostly puppethead government.) but the ayahtollahs still have supreme authority.

any chance we liberate the iranians and give their already-lawfully elected government a chance to actually represent its people? i think not.

so, is it flip-floppy if our foreign policy applies to 1 axis of evil, but not the other 2?

BigBadBrian
08-20-2004, 10:48 AM
Originally posted by knuckleboner


so, is it flip-floppy if our foreign policy applies to 1 axis of evil, but not the other 2?

We'll see after Bush is re-elected, won't we? ;)

knuckleboner
08-20-2004, 10:59 AM
perhaps. i'm not in a hurry...i can wait 5 years to be right:D

Keeyth
08-20-2004, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Then What About Iran, Senator Kerry?
David " RUSH?" Limbaugh

August 20, 2004


Just go back and read his 1971 Senate Foreign Relations Committee testimony, set out in Chapter 6 of "Unfit for Command." He peddled the Communist propaganda that Vietnam was engaged in a civil war, that the Vietnamese people "didn't even know the difference between communism and democracy" and that America's actions were morally equivalent to the Viet Cong's. (In 1971, Kerry also described as "ludicrous" predictions that there would be a bloodbath if we were to withdraw. Yet the Communists killed an estimated 3.5 million people in their post-war purges and placed possibly a million in "reeducation camps" when we withdrew.)



How weak is the right wing, when they have to attack Kerry on statements he made over 33 years ago?? PA-THE-TIC.

As I have stated before, the only truly consistent people are the foolish and the dead, and if you don't think someones views can change and adapt over 3 decades, then it is you who are out of the loop on what's really going on. Your President is a pussy coward chickenhawk motherfucker who I would be ashamed to stand behind.

Whats the matter GW Shrub?? You run like a little bitch from your war duty, but then decide you have the right to send others off to fight your war of convenience??

You get busted for cocaine use, get a slap on the wrist, and then toughen up the laws in your state against all who use drugs??
Who is the REAL flip-flopper???

Then it's O.K. for you to 'quit' using drugs on your own, and with no sort of rehab in place, get yourself into a position of power via Daddy's help and a stolen election by your brother where you have your finger on the button?? Now THAT is scary...

Warham
08-20-2004, 01:14 PM
Kerry has alot of questions to answer.

Instead of doing that, he's trying to get the ads pulled and have the book distributor stop selling that Swiftboat book. Nice try.

Didn't Howard Dean accuse Bush of trying to burn books to get elected? Sounds like Kerry wants to start a big bonfire himself.

BigBadBrian
08-20-2004, 02:21 PM
Originally posted by Keeyth
How weak is the right wing, when they have to attack Kerry on statements he made over 33 years ago?? PA-THE-TIC.



Perhaps, but then I remember the Left going after whether or not Bush attended a few drills or not during his tenure as an Air Guardsman. This a man who was honorably discharged over 30 years ago.

Is the shoe suddenly on the other foot?

Keeyth
08-20-2004, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Perhaps, but then I remember the Left going after whether or not Bush attended a few drills or not during his tenure as an Air Guardsman. This a man who was honorably discharged over 30 years ago.

Is the shoe suddenly on the other foot?

Get the facts straight. Bush did not attend his DRUG TESTING and we all know why someone would avoid that. He also disappeared off the record books to avoid serving his country in Vietnam. He was honorably discharged because his family had the influence to get that done even with his military-duty-dodging coward actions... ...I would think a military man would look down upon such things.

If you want the shoe on the other foot, first take that foot out of your mouth.

BigBadBrian
08-20-2004, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by Keeyth
Get the facts straight. Bush did not attend his DRUG TESTING and we all know why someone would avoid that. He also disappeared off the record books to avoid serving his country in Vietnam. He was honorably discharged because his family had the influence to get that done even with his military-duty-dodging coward actions... ...I would think a military man would look down upon such things.

If you want the shoe on the other foot, first take that foot out of your mouth.


Is that the best you can do? Hearsay? The military didn't even DO drug testing back then. Get a better story. :rolleyes:

Keeyth
08-20-2004, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Is that the best you can do? Hearsay? The military didn't even DO drug testing back then. Get a better story. :rolleyes:

Are you really that clueless? It's a documented fact.
Look it up.:rolleyes:

John Ashcroft
08-20-2004, 04:23 PM
Documented at Commie Dreams.org and the D.U. naturally...

Keeyth
08-20-2004, 05:53 PM
Originally posted by John Ashcroft
Documented at Commie Dreams.org

Is that John Ashcroft's personal website? :D

Big Train
08-20-2004, 07:06 PM
The Swift Boat Kid needs to come clean, period.

BigBadBrian
08-20-2004, 08:01 PM
Originally posted by Warham
Kerry has alot of questions to answer.

Instead of doing that, he's trying to get the ads pulled and have the book distributor stop selling that Swiftboat book. Nice try.

Didn't Howard Dean accuse Bush of trying to burn books to get elected? Sounds like Kerry wants to start a big bonfire himself.

Yup. :gulp: