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King VH
08-22-2004, 09:07 PM
Anyone else in here a republican. I know some of you are, be honest. And FORD, please don't reply to this ok. Thanks

p.s. Wayne L, i'm pretty sure u are.

MAX
08-22-2004, 09:56 PM
I'm a registered Republican and have been for years. :)

tobinentinc
08-23-2004, 06:57 AM
I'm legally not able to register until January, but I consider myself a republican. And when I turn 18, I will join the vast Right Wing Conspiracy. ;)

John Ashcroft
08-23-2004, 07:43 AM
Heh heh heh... I know everyone's wondering, but I too am a proud member of the VRWC.

Wayne L.
08-23-2004, 07:45 AM
I'm not a card carrying Republican or Democrat but I am an Independent who is for low taxes or no taxes, I'm anti-war but I'm for a strong defense, I'm pro life which makes more sense instead of pro choice, I think pot should be legalized even though I don't smoke it.

Warham
08-23-2004, 08:17 AM
I'm a certified card-carrying Republican.

I'm also a member of the BCE, in case FORD pops in here.

Ally_Kat
08-23-2004, 12:10 PM
I checked the vrwc box when I registered :D

JCOOK
08-23-2004, 12:16 PM
Count me in

King VH
08-23-2004, 03:10 PM
i'm a registered republican and i think it's awesome ta finally hear people say they are and not be afraid. I always had a feeling Warham,Max, and JCOOK were, but i wasn't positive. John Ashcroft is the man though for speaking his mine, he never backs down which kicks ass! Oh and Tobinentinc, i'm also 17 years old as well and i'm registered, what's up with that???

knuckleboner
08-23-2004, 05:22 PM
no.




(but i have voted for a republican or 2 from time to time...;))

King VH
08-23-2004, 05:35 PM
sounds pretty republican to me knuckleboner:)

o btw wayne l. most republicans are pro-life and lowering taxes, so u sound pretty conservative. You don't have to bullshit!

jacksmar
08-24-2004, 08:22 AM
Don’t blame me for anything. I voted for…………

John Ashcroft
08-24-2004, 08:34 AM
Originally posted by knuckleboner
no.




(but i have voted for a republican or 2 from time to time...;))

KB, you'll come to the dark side soon enough! I can already tell.

Seriously though, why do you hang on to the Democratic party? Which issue do they promote that's keeping you? Truthfully, most people have only a couple of key issues they relate to when deciding on which party to associate with, which are yours?

So far, from reading your posts I can't really put my finger on why you associate with the Democratic party at all. I'll admit, it's got me a bit perplexed.

Now with Ford, it's all clear... Being crazy and all... :D

knuckleboner
08-24-2004, 01:59 PM
eh...the parties aren't always what you see the talking heads spout at the national level...

but really, here goes:

in general, i'm pretty much socially liberal. fiscally, i understand how the economy works and i am in favor of justifying government programs and equally justifying the specific tax burdens placed on the various sectors of the country.

i'm also in favor of more government action at times. i think headstart is a good, valuable program that should be funded more. i think welfare (at least some form of it) is important, especially for children. although, i think job training programs and transitional unemployment are equally important. i think the government should provide a minimal level of health care (call it socialized, if you will, but i have no problem with individuals using their own health care options).

i don't necessarily agree with the specific tax bracket levels, but i think that the progressive tax system is good.

again, i don't necessarily agree with the levels, but i think the estate and dividend taxes are valid ways of funding government.



i've definitely found that fiscal constraint, at least at the national level, is equally as important for democrats. in my neck of the woods, the local republicans advocated much deeper tax cuts and government reduction, yet lost quite soundly. why? because the democrats were promoting careful budget and tax cuts (although, admittingly, cuts in the rate, not necessarily total $ tax paid).

the populace was willing to accept more government services and programs for human services and education (and parks/libraries/public safety, etc.) when they felt that the government was at least being fiscally careful, and was carefully, rather than carelessly spending those dollars it did.

so i think it IS possible to make the democratic party successful. is the national party there yet? eh...it's not a perfect fit for me. but currently, it's closer than the republicans.

that, and the chicks here are generally a bit more liberal, so you know, gotta do what you gotta do...;)

John Ashcroft
08-24-2004, 02:34 PM
I can respect all of that. But I still don't believe the party at a national level is inline with your take on those issues at all. In fact, there are far more moderate Republicans at the national level than moderate Democrats. Your party has enlisted socialists to run it. I mean, Pelosi, Daschle, Clinton, Kerry. All with long track records opposing any kind of fiscal responsibility or constraint. In fact, when have you heard any of them utter a call for tax cuts? Seems just last month old Hillary was spouting communist doctrine (again).

Anyway, I do take issue with one thing you said...

i think welfare (at least some form of it) is important, especially for children. although, i think job training programs and transitional unemployment are equally important.

This amazes me, and I'm sure you didn't mean it the way it came across. But how could you ever consider welfare as "equally" important to training/educational programs? Really, needing welfare is indicative of a failure in the system at some level. Where education and training are pro-active and preventative measures to ensure against the welfare state. To me, education and/or training is infinitely more important to society than any welfare program. I would measure success on how many people don't require assistance rather than how many do. And I believe the conservative ideology falls directly in line with this reasoning (even if it's proponents aren't perfect...) But again, show me a national-level moderate Liberal?

knuckleboner
08-24-2004, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by John Ashcroft
show me a national-level moderate Liberal?

http://mccain.senate.gov/_images/bio_headshot.gif
;)




but yeah not quite what i meant on welfare. i think that job training and education are an important part OF social welfare.


i view "welfare" as any of those programs where


as for national democrats; i really don't view most of them as much more liberal than lott, hatch, (the late) helms, are conservative.


it's not that i think the republican party is evil. i don't. i just don't see them championing most liberal social issues. nor do i see them making much inroads into tackling health care and and the middle class economy.

i fully admit the national democrats are still a group in need of a voice (and sometimes one with the wrong voice.) and i would like to see some changes to it's policy.

but i'd feel no less comfortable with the current republican party, either.

who knows? maybe barrack's the answer...

maybe not. we'll have to see.

John Ashcroft
08-24-2004, 09:57 PM
I'll give you that. He certainly doesn't talk like a democrat (or any current Republican). I'm absolutely stoked by any mention of personal responsibility from politicians. Not because I believe politicians will magically deliver us from irresponsibility, but because there are so many of them willing to sell the country out in the name of destroying any sense of personal responsibility. And all for their own interests (I.E. reelection), and certainly not in the long term interests of our great country. It gets a bit depressing to tell you the truth. These assholes are literally selling our wonderful country into bankrupcy just to get reelected. They have no vision. They have no greater cause. They have no interest in the betterment of mankind. Only the betterment of themselves for the insignificant period of time they will reside on this planet.

I believe our country is special. I believe in the human spirit. I believe that freedom unleased reaps rewards unrealized by history. I believe when push comes to shove, most of my fellow man will rise to a cause greater than themselves, and make the world a better, more producitve place. I believe that those who exist simply to milk the benefits of such people should be an abomination to us all. I believe that so called "darwinism" should run it's course with such people.

I know, I know... That last line is going to send a bunch of you libs over the edge. But hell, you're the secularists, no??? You're the proponents of evolution, and staunch opponents of creationism, no??? You can't have your cake and eat it too, right?

Seriously, I believe that for those who are truly disadvantaged in this life, society can provide education for a better life. I am so strongly against giving them no more than a paycheck, ensuring that all they need to do is register to vote under a certain party once every couple of years. I realize that there are people who are desparate and desolate. I really believe that the riches nation on the planet can help pretty much ever single one of these people. But I just don't agree with how we've gone about it so far. I don't believe in building a dependent class. I believe in education vs. dependency.

And finally, I certainly believe that if you can't make it in the U.S., you simply can't make it. The problem is you, not the "system".

TwoFoolsAMinute
08-24-2004, 10:16 PM
Originally posted by Wayne L.
I'm not a card carrying Republican or Democrat but I am an Independent who is for low taxes or no taxes, I'm anti-war but I'm for a strong defense, I'm pro life which makes more sense instead of pro choice, I think pot should be legalized even though I don't smoke it.

You're a Libertarian, except maybe for the pro-life part.

Libertarian = no laws that prevent us from doing things that don't hurt other people--victimless crimes.

other than that...pro choice...on every issue.

No taxes. We can take care of ourselves. get the fed out of my ass.

Cathedral
08-25-2004, 02:27 AM
I'm a registered Republican, no secret there.

MAX
08-25-2004, 02:41 AM
Originally posted by Cathedral
I'm a registered Republican, no secret there.

Why do you think I agreed to be blood brothers with you, eh? ;)

:gulp:

ELVIS
08-25-2004, 02:48 AM
Originally posted by John Ashcroft
I believe our country is special. I believe in the human spirit. I believe that freedom unleased reaps rewards unrealized by history. I believe when push comes to shove, most of my fellow man will rise to a cause greater than themselves, and make the world a better, more producitve place.

The key is in motivating and encouraging individuals to better themselves, to move up the ladder of productive society...

If people lived as if their society depended on their personal contributions, there would be no need for welfare and government programs...

BTW, I've always been independant, but hanging out here with all of you, I've come to the realization that I am a Conservative Republican...


:elvis:

Cathedral
08-25-2004, 03:01 AM
Originally posted by MAX
Why do you think I agreed to be blood brothers with you, eh? ;)

:gulp:

Good Point, I used to spend lots of time in this forum. I just got tired of repeating myself every couple of weeks in similar threads.

Now i just browse and shake my head at the Liberal stupidity trying to lead us into socialism.

It won't stand in this country and 8 years of nothing from Clinton proved nothing to them but how to be weak.
I'm sorry, but Iraq was the key place to take this battle to the Terrorists back yard and keep them out of ours.

Saddam is gone, Iraqi's are free, and Bin Laden is running scared digging holes in the ground.
We keep getting them and they have to start planning all over again how to hit us next.
Open your windows and listen....You'll hear the sound of security, that which soldiers enlisted to provide for all of us while we all have the freedom to sit here on a website and debate it.

I support this war because our friends and children are the one's fighting it, and if they believe in the cause we should either pick up a weapon and join them or shut the fuck up about it right now.

ELVIS
08-25-2004, 03:10 AM
I can imagine it's pretty discouraging for a soldier in Iraq to read all of this anti-war, anti-American, Liberal spew...

MAX
08-25-2004, 03:38 AM
Man, oh man......

It's so refreshing to both hear and read such stellar posts from people whom I've respected for years. You guys are great and you KNOW that I mean it!!!! I just don't have the energy to type or argue with people. I've noticed ONE THING during this election that I will agree with Kerry. Yes, we are a fucking divided nation! However, I have yet to hear as to why Kerry should be our country's Commander in Chief? When I argue with people regarding the upcoming election it NEVER has to do with Kerry or how he will make a better President. It's always me being on the defensive to people attacking and just plain hating Bush. I rarely see Kerry/Edwards stickers? I just see Buck Fush, Reclaim America! Defeat Bush! Etc.

Anyway, it's nice to have compadres who feel the same!!!

Cathedral
08-25-2004, 03:38 AM
i've spoken with a few, and they are pretty pissed not discouraged.
I was humbled by their stories and have far more understanding of what is really going on than any news program or paper has ever reported.

It's pretty sad what we learn from our information sources these days.
Yet i get identical stories from soldiers who have never met and served in different parts of Iraq.

I don't even watch or read news anymore, it's all lies from all so called sources.
Even the Conservative sides are off the mark.

Cathedral
08-25-2004, 03:44 AM
Right back at ya, Max...

I am sick of hearing about 30 years ago, or the pissing contests about who's service record was better or who was bravest in their youth.

I want to hear about the issues from both sides. I want Bush to explain to me why he thinks i should vote for him again.
I want to hear about Kerry's voting record over 18 years in washington and why i should trust that as President he will act any differently.

These subjects are NOT being addressed and quite frankly, both of them are pissing me off with this crap.
Stop bullying each other and talk to the people, earn the votes they seek and shut the hell up about Nam and the National Guard already.

Bring on the debates, i am anxiously awaiting them going head to head on issues...all this other shit means jack to me.

ELVIS
08-25-2004, 03:56 AM
Well, the GOP convention is next week, so we will get to see a glimpse of where President Bush intends to take us...


Originally posted by Cathedral
Right back at ya, Max...




Mega dittos !!


:elvis:

Cathedral
08-25-2004, 04:02 AM
LOL, I was approached by Nader supporters at the Hobby Lobby parking lot last week.
They asked me if i'd sign a petition to get Nader on the Ballot in Ohio, and i did.

Funny how today i hear that it was all the actions of Bush to take support from Kerry as his campaign officials were belly aching, lmmfao.

That thought never crossed my mind.
I signed it in an attempt to get the Green Party to finally get enough votes so we can have more than two choices legitimatly in presidential Elections.
Bush never called me up and asked me to do it, it was a great idea to add another debater in these things.

I'm all for more competition for the highest office in the land.

MAX
08-25-2004, 04:07 AM
Nice post Cat!!!


You know what sucks the most? Kerry is the one who keeps bringing up Nam. Bush has repeatedly said that his (Kerry's) service to the country should be both honored and respected. Just like you've stated..... MOVE THE FUCK ON!!!!!

I'm sooooo stoked for the debates. Everyone likes to claim how fucking "illiterate and stupid" Bush is. Well, I don't give a rat's ass how wealthy one is cos one doesn't get a MBA from Harvard being stupid.

Believe me, I follow this election closely and Bush is the only candidate who is CLEAR on the issues asked and addressed to this point. I do not feel comfortable voting for a pussy-whipped guy who has to rub a bottle of ketchup to make a decision that effects all of us. All kidding aside, I really think it's a poor business decision to change management during wartime. If that makes any sense? Especially with a "man" who is completely incapable of making a concrete decision, let alone sticking with it!!!

Cathedral
08-25-2004, 04:12 AM
You got that right, broham...
Kerry has more waffles than the House of Pancakes and I DO NOT TRUST HIM AT ALL...

He also loses his cool under pressure, which is not the kind of guy i want living in the White House.

ELVIS
08-25-2004, 04:15 AM
Kerry is a phoney, period...

MAX
08-25-2004, 04:32 AM
Originally posted by ELVIS
Mega dittos !!

Back at you my brother!!!!

:elvis:

:D

Eat Me & Smile
08-26-2004, 03:57 PM
good call people.

Ally_Kat
08-26-2004, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by MAX
All kidding aside, I really think it's a poor business decision to change management during wartime. If that makes any sense? Especially with a "man" who is completely incapable of making a concrete decision, let alone sticking with it!!!

The thought of Kerry being in charge of the stuff we got to handle now makes me squirm. If something Godforbid happens, I don't really think he'll go after and hunt the bastards down.

Cuz isn't that really what we're all doing now? We going after everybody who pulls shit like this and showing them the westerners aren't gong to take it sitting down....unlike Spain. lol

Keeyth
08-26-2004, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by Ally_Kat
If something Godforbid happens, I don't really think he'll go after and hunt the bastards down.


Oh you must mean like the way Bush is hunting bin Laden, right? Where is he again?? Oh yeah, we're not looking for him anymore, we just let him go so we could go to Iraq.

That was a stupid arguement. God forbid we have Bush for another four years. I can't believe someone so intelligent would back a president who is so dumb. :rolleyes:

ELVIS
08-26-2004, 04:46 PM
You probably thought Saddam wasn't being hunted when he was found either...

Shut up...

Mezro
08-26-2004, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
Kerry is a phoney, period...

Name a politician that isn't...

Mezro...at the end of the day, they are all on stage for personal gain...

Steve Savicki
08-26-2004, 05:17 PM
Can't argue with that, Mez.

Keeyth
08-26-2004, 05:22 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
You probably thought Saddam wasn't being hunted when he was found either...

Shut up...

I knew Saddam was being hunted... ...for all the wrong reasons. Prior to your 'Shut up' comment, all of you have made some very intelligent arguements here on this thread, however I am with KB and support the Dem's more than the Republicans, even though I am a registered Republican. (I know, I know you didn't see THAT one coming, huh?)

Anyway, I fear Bush being in the White House for another four years a lot more than the "New Management" as someone called it. It's time for a change, and like I would tell any unshaven woman, "It's time to get rid of the Bush"...:D

Keeyth
08-26-2004, 05:26 PM
Originally posted by John Ashcroft
KB, you'll come to the dark side soon enough! I can already tell.

:D

At least you admit it IS the dark side...:D

Warham
08-26-2004, 05:27 PM
If it talks like a Democrat, it must be a Democrat.

Keeyth
08-26-2004, 05:30 PM
Originally posted by Warham
If it talks like a Democrat, it must be a Democrat.

Thanks T.O.! :D
Yeah, I'm going to fix that and register as a Democrat this year.

Warham
08-26-2004, 05:37 PM
You do that. You and Kerry deserve each other. :D

Ally_Kat
08-26-2004, 05:56 PM
Originally posted by Keeyth
Oh you must mean like the way Bush is hunting bin Laden, right? Where is he again?? Oh yeah, we're not looking for him anymore, we just let him go so we could go to Iraq.

That was a stupid arguement. God forbid we have Bush for another four years. I can't believe someone so intelligent would back a president who is so dumb. :rolleyes:

I'm smart enough not to back Kerry.

And I thought this was a thread for the republicans/conservatives to talk in?

lucky wilbury
08-26-2004, 06:11 PM
we got more troops in afghanistan now then any time in the history of the us. up from 7,500 in nov 2001 to 35,000 now. thats not including the 15,000 or so other peackeepers there.

Ally_Kat
08-26-2004, 06:14 PM
But lucky, the media doesn't run with it and doesn't try to get ratings by using it anymore, so that must mean Bush stopped caring about it.

Cuz that's how things work :rolleyes:

lucky wilbury
08-26-2004, 06:20 PM
the media won't touch afghanistan because it's an overwelming victory for bush. the up coming afghan elections in oct probably will get little coverage.

Pink Spider
08-26-2004, 06:56 PM
You people are self-deceiving Republican suckups.

What victory? Opium is still sky high and there are warlords running the place. We don't even have a fair elections here, either. So, what makes you think that "democracy" is coming to Afghanistan? Don't be so fucking brainwashed. No one in our media ever talks about anyone but Bush or Kerry. I can only imagine how fucked up and manipulated Afghanistan's elections will be.

The public forgot about Afghanistan after the boogieman, Osama was no where to be found and fearless leader shifted the blame on another Arab (they can't tell them apart apparently) and people fell for it.

Who cares about what kind of weapons Saddam had? CIA asset Saddam would have had to have been suicidal to launch an attack on the US. But, his old CIA organization, I'm not so sure about. Apparently if you're connected to the funder of the suspected "Islamic" 9/11 terrorists you get to head the CIA. So, go figure.

King VH
09-04-2004, 11:08 AM
wow pink spider, that was the gayest thing i've ever heard in my life. thank you for wasting everyone's time with your FORDESQUE conspiracy theories. At least your against Kerry as well.

King VH
09-04-2004, 11:10 AM
o by the way, i made this thread so i could hear from some fellow republicans. god knows that the liberals in hear are the ones that start all the political horseshit. us republicans finish it.:)

King VH
09-04-2004, 11:13 AM
one last thing. keeyth my man, i know your bullshiting about being a registered republican. u don't spell republican D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T!:)

Lou
09-04-2004, 01:29 PM
Here's my problem with Kerry, didn't he say that he believes life begins at conception and that he opposes gay marriage, but something like, "But you can do whatever you want." What a pussy stance. So you believe in things but you're too afraid that piss people off. That right there shows me what a spineless coward he is.

I'm not a huge Bush fan either to tell you the truth. As far as Iraq goes, it's clear to me that we shouldn't have been there. War is wrong unless you are defending your country, and I really don't see enough evidence to show that Iraq above all other nations was a threat to our country. I mean how much of a threat were they if we could go in there and topple Saddam in a matter of weeks? (That being said, people who also don't think that Saddam is a vicious tyrant and sympathize with him and middle east dictators are fucking morons. I'm happy that people aren't being killed by him anymore, though overall we shouldn't have gone in there.)

Anyway I'll be voting for Bush in November. Kerry's whole platform is that he's not Bush. I've never seen someone on this grand of a scale have a whole platform based around that he's not the other guy. Kerry's got nothing and him and his campaigners know it.

Alan Keyes for president 2008 :D

King VH
09-04-2004, 02:56 PM
Lou, u are a good man. ALA 5 stars for u!

Pink Spider
09-04-2004, 02:58 PM
Originally posted by King VH
wow pink spider, that was the gayest thing i've ever heard in my life. thank you for wasting everyone's time with your FORDESQUE conspiracy theories. At least your against Kerry as well.

Anything that is beyond comprehension for simple minds is a "CONSPIRACY THEORY".

Of course, the government never lies to us, do they? They're there to serve us. Right?

Do a little research before you make accusations.

King VH
09-04-2004, 03:06 PM
Oh i'm a simple mind Spider. All u "independents" and "liberals" would find fault in anything Bush did. If Bush hadn't gone into Afghanistan, everyone would say it was wrong, if Bush had bombed Iraq, people would have said he needed to bomb Afghanistan. And how come you know so much about how the government lies to us? What makes you know so much more than anyone else in here. Who are your sources? Or do you work for the government in someway?

DrMaddVibe
09-04-2004, 03:11 PM
Voting for Kerry...that's like being a Van Hagar fan!


Fuck THAT!

King VH
09-04-2004, 03:12 PM
Oh and Kerry is a flip flopping liar. I would bet that he wrote himself up for those 3 purple hearts.

King VH
09-04-2004, 03:14 PM
DRMaddVibe what u just said was awesome and that pic and quote kick ass. Yet another 5 stars for my man here.

DrMaddVibe
09-04-2004, 03:17 PM
Thanks Bro!

You'll like this T-Shirt too!

I've got one and wear it a LOT!

King VH
09-04-2004, 03:22 PM
dude, could u send me one

Pink Spider
09-04-2004, 03:30 PM
All I can say is that I'm a watchful observer.

It's not about Afghanistan or Iraq. It's more along the lines of CIA's Al Quada creation. The Taleban themselves had little to do with 9-11. Iraq? Not at all. They were many benefits from blaming 911 on them. Furthering global corporatism, a complete economic takeover of both, larger military bases to stage more invasion, military contracts and oil.

In this country we've seen Goss trying to lift the ban to conduct CIA operations here at home. How convenient for him to have met on 911 with his ISI leader friends that just happened to fund the terrorists. That was confirmed by the FBI, The Washington Post and Indian intelligence if you won't take my word for it.

But, you can always put your head back and the sand and dismiss it as "conspiracy theory". Its like the quote that goes something along the lines of this; "How useful for leaders that the people don't think".

King VH
09-04-2004, 03:36 PM
Look dude, send me your liberal article of where u found this. Plus, if we're fighting terrorism, why don't we take out the people who are funding it? Oh wait, that's what we did.

Pink Spider
09-04-2004, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by King VH
Look dude, send me your liberal article of where u found this. Plus, if we're fighting terrorism, why don't we take out the people who are funding it? Oh wait, that's what we did.

Read this for starters:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO206A.html

We took out the Taleban (well, some of them, we let a few of them take back over the Afghanistan government) and Iraq (again, nothing). Last I heard, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are still standing.


And I'm not a "dude".

King VH
09-04-2004, 04:26 PM
wtf r u then?

Pink Spider
09-04-2004, 06:28 PM
I would think that you could figure that out by process of elimination, but I guess not. ;)

King VH
09-04-2004, 09:04 PM
well either way, u are a bitch.......i've never met a "woman" with more sarcasm, more leftism, and more hatefulness for conservatives or Bush in my life. shit i thought ford was bad!

King VH
09-04-2004, 09:06 PM
Oh, by the way, how in the hell did these "sources" figure out all this stuff on Bush 3 Years after the fact.

Pink Spider
09-04-2004, 09:20 PM
Originally posted by King VH
well either way, u are a bitch.......i've never met a "woman" with more sarcasm, more leftism, and more hatefulness for conservatives or Bush in my life. shit i thought ford was bad!

Um...yeah I just bash conservatives and Bush all the time. :rolleyes:

Go Democrats! :rolleyes:

I may be a bitch, but you're just fucking clueless. Go read a book and learn something.

Lou
09-05-2004, 12:00 AM
Let me go back to the topic, and spout off another thing that irritates me about liberals.

They love to portray themselves as the loving, compassionate people of this country, and that the Republicans/conservatives are mean old greedy people.

But here's what gets me. Their idea of being compassionate is to have our government--not them personally, but our government--fund money-wasting welfare/social programs to help the poor. Now I'm all about helping the poor. But that is something that is up to INDIVIDUALS to do, not the government. Yet, in the eyes of a liberal, if you're against the GOVERNMENT providing welfare, you're not compassionate.

I'd like to know how a belief that the government should be spending money on welfare/social programs is a reflection on how compassionate the liberal who supports them is. Because other than your indirect tax money going to that, you personally are not really helping the poor by simply rooting for the government to do so.

Who honestly wouldn't like to see the poor have what they need? No one. I think everyone's benevolent in that regard. No one's wishing that the poor remain poor. But it's pretty obnoxious that those who want the government to take care of it view themselves as "compassionate."

It's really easy to just say the government should be spending money helping the poor when 99.99% of it is not your money.

You want to help the poor, do it yourself. Go out and raise funds with a non-government group. That's compassion. That's really working personally to make a difference. This yearning for the government to do it, by itself, doesn't make you any more compassionate than the conservative who thinks it's up to our citizens, and not the government, to help the poor.

Lou
09-05-2004, 02:33 PM
Bump, I want people who are for the government spending money on welfare programs to explain how that makes them personally compassionate toward the poor, when it's not their efforts or their money (the extra tax money from your pockets is negligible).

And for the record I'm for cutting corporate welfare. I'd like to take all that welfare money and re-allocate it into schools or something more useful than simply using government resources to give people money.

King VH
09-05-2004, 02:33 PM
good point Lou! it's ridiculous how democrats want to raise taxes to give to special interest groups. to me that's not a democracy. if we lowered everyone's taxes, then that's helping everyone, not just a small percent of people.

King VH
09-05-2004, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by Pink Spider
Um...yeah I just bash conservatives and Bush all the time. :rolleyes:

Go Democrats! :rolleyes:

I may be a bitch, but you're just fucking clueless. Go read a book and learn something.

yeah that's right, i'm so clueless and your so smart. you've given some great points about bush being an idiot and starting a war for money. have you said one good thing about Bush? have u said one bad thing about kerry?

LoungeMachine
09-05-2004, 02:43 PM
Originally posted by King VH
well either way, u are a bitch.......i've never met a "woman" with more sarcasm, more leftism, and more hatefulness for conservatives or Bush in my life. shit i thought ford was bad!

You just can't HELP but pick fights and call names to people WAY more educated than yourself, can you?

Pink Spider out matches your intellect on so many levels it's funny.

More sarcasm?

oh the humanity!


Go back to school, skippy and read a book.

I guess when the Shrub spoke of NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND he didnt mean YOU.

Did your parents ever consider having you tested?

FORD
09-05-2004, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by King VH
have you said one good thing about Bush?

Is there anything good to SAY about the Son of a Bitch??

Uhhhhhh...... let me think.....

Oh, I know. Because of Junior, his father is no longer the worst President this country ever had.

See, that's positive :D

King VH
09-05-2004, 02:47 PM
LoungeMachine if your so rich and your wife is so young and whatever else i'm sure you made up, why are you here? If you're so much better than me leave. Could it be that you spend your whole life here, trying to pick fights with people you don't know?

King VH
09-05-2004, 02:48 PM
Oh and Jimmy Carter was the worst president ever!

LoungeMachine
09-05-2004, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by King VH
Oh and Jimmy Carter was the worst president ever!

I'd ask you what you base THIS idiot post on, but I couldn't care LESS.

As I've said. You're your own worst enemy in here. You don't need ME to make you look foolish.

Your grasp of history and politics in general is matched only by your pathetic debate skills.

Listen to Pink, as well as others. Go learn something before opening yourself up for ridicule.

LoungeMachine
09-05-2004, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by King VH


If you're so much better than me leave.

If anyone understands this logic, please explain it to me.

Lou
09-05-2004, 02:56 PM
OK, could someone please answer my query as to why being in favor of welfare/social programs makes you personally compassionate, when it's not your money, time or efforts going into helping the poor, and why someone who opposes the government doing that makes them personally non-compassionate.

LoungeMachine
09-05-2004, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by Lou
OK, could someone please answer my query as to why being in favor of welfare/social programs makes you personally compassionate, when it's not your money, time or efforts going into helping the poor, and why someone who opposes the government doing that makes them personally non-compassionate.

Good question Lou. Seriously.

But it IS my money.

See, I WANT to pay taxes. AND I want my money to go to social programs AS MUCH as defense. I believe that when part of my tax dollars go to education, social services, the arts, that I am being a part of a society that takes care of it's own.

It's NOT socialism, or Communism. It's HUMANITY

Answer me this Why is it so acceptable to YOU that our tax dollars go to IRAQI social programs, yet repugnant to you when it goes t American people?

Good Q, Lou. I'm glad to see we're rubbing off on you.

Lou
09-05-2004, 03:39 PM
The spending in Iraq is insane, I agree. As I've said in other threads, as the war grew on it became clear to me that as horrible as Saddam Hussein's regime was, he wasn't a threat to us. Clearly he wasn't as we were able to take him out pretty quickly.

It seems like your argument is that, "Well I have to/want to pay taxes anyway, so I want to see it allocated to helping others." I'm interested in reducing taxes, and then leaving it up to individuals to decide what they want to do with the money. I really believe if people have the extra money they'll put it into the economy and it helps the nation grow that way. It helps businesses do better. I want the citizens of this country to build this nation, not the government. I just don't see it as the government's responsibility to directly help poor. It's up to this country's citizens to do that.

I'm for cutting personal and corporate welfare. That's not to say I don't think money should ever be directly given to people, but it needs to be cut. The only thing I'm alright with really keeping the same or increasing is education. If I'm going to pay taxes, I want a return. The taxes should be in exchange for something, such as better public schools, police force, firemen, etc. They should NOT be a donation to something. So if the taxes are being given for welfare programs, you're not getting anything in return. While that sounds harsh, something that you're FORCED to pay like taxes shouldn't be spent for something that is not going to benefit you.

Again, it is up to individuals, and not the government, to help the poor. That being said if you have the means to help the poor and, on your own volition, you never give anything, then that is certainly uncompassionate.

DrMaddVibe
09-05-2004, 03:54 PM
Originally posted by Pink Spider
Um...yeah I just bash conservatives and Bush all the time. :rolleyes:

Go Democrats! :rolleyes:

I may be a bitch, but you're just fucking clueless. Go read a book and learn something.

Pink...I'd recommend you read THIS book!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0895260867/ref=bxgy_cc_img_b/002-6138732-7382455?v=glance&s=books

BAW-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

FORD
09-05-2004, 04:49 PM
Oh, so now I'm Elvis?? :confused:

Damn, I just love arguing with myself all the time....
:elvis:

ELVIS
09-05-2004, 05:23 PM
Originally posted by Pink Spider
we let a few of them take back over the Afghanistan government




Please explain

SweetSecrets
09-05-2004, 05:25 PM
I'm an Independent who often leans Republican because of conservatve ideals. However, I'm not really sure who to vote for this election because....well.... Kerry simply terrifies me, but I hate Bush's education policy (a.k.a...No Child Left Behind). This is significant to me because I am a teacher.

DrMaddVibe
09-05-2004, 05:35 PM
Originally posted by $exxxy
we support boy george, the bee gees and the village people...

not mr. flip flop waffle man. bush used 9-11 for political
gain and is a triator to the usa.

nader/camejo in '04

I can't trust Nader to run a lemonade stand!
http://naderwatch.blogspot.com/

Pink Spider
09-05-2004, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
Please explain

The Afghanistan government wanted a recruitment drive for "lower" level members of the Taliban to bring them back into leadership roles at one point.

ELVIS
09-05-2004, 06:42 PM
So...

elvis hitler
09-23-2004, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by DrMaddVibe
Pink...I'd recommend you read THIS book!

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0895260867/ref=bxgy_cc_img_b/002-6138732-7382455?v=glance&s=books

BAW-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Switch84
09-25-2004, 11:42 AM
:D I'm a Republican that voted for Slick Willie his first go around.....