Why Do You Like Kerry

[JCOOK]

I understand your anbody but Bush mentality but what is about Herman Munster that appeals to you?

[JCOOK]

Hell i thought over 50%were in favor of this guy no one wants to weigh in on this one?

[NeilDiamondDave]

Please people... this guy is a lair and a phoney. I'm from Boston, Been a Dem my whole life, but will not vote for this guy! This guy is Personally weak.. If he is elected you can expect China to take taiwan... an Al quieda takeover of the Middle east... There will be no more talk of a vh/dave reunion tour because with gas at $20 a gal, there will be no more touring-EVER! He and his wife are the most arrogant elitist millionaire types... And neither one of them worked for a dime of their fortunes. The stories are legend around here. The guy has a 60' speedboat that burns $500 an hour in gas, but he's the Environmental guy? I could go on and on.... Please don't buy it. This isn't your fathers Democratic party.. These folks wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire!

[John Ashcroft]

No, his family owns the boat that burns $500/hr... He just rides in it from time to time.

[EmpyreLounge44]

im not a big political guy but here is why i choose kerry over bush

- not as "openly" religious and in favor of deciding what i can and cant listen to as far as "indecent" behavior
- more open for gay rights...seriously, its 2004 why is this still a fucking issue, of yeah. religion...i mean, bush actually opposes expanding the federal law to cover sexual orientation hate crime.
- bush seemingly opposed or very hesitant to stem cell research
- bush is anti pro choice
- has misused his power as president to finish daddy's war

[John Ashcroft]

Heh, it's a start.

At least three items on your list can be debated.

Also, I've noticed your list is still "anti" Bush rather than "pro" Kerry.

You're saying what everyone else who plans on voting for Kerry is saying, and that's "he's less of a piece of shit than that Bush!"

Seriously though, any thing about the guy that excites you? (other than replacing Bush)

[EmpyreLounge44]

he is pro choice which i agree with...which three can be debated?

[John Ashcroft]

Hey, if pro-choice is the deciding issue that sways your vote, then Kerry is indeed your choice. I won't argue with that.

However, the three:

not as "openly" religious and in favor of deciding what i can and cant listen to as far as "indecent" behavior

bush seemingly opposed or very hesitant to stem cell research

and of course:

has misused his power as president to finish daddy's war

Now admittedly, the Pres. is openly religious. I truly don't know why this scares liberals, but it does and I realize it does. But let's talk about telling you what you can or can't listen to. What has President Bush told you you can't listen to? I know Stern's throwing a fit about the FCC and all, but you do realize he's been throwing that same fit for years. Even through the Clinton administration. Also, all of the new guidelines for radio are coming from the FCC's democrat chairman. And finally, remember Tipper Gore's tirade? I forget, is she the wife of a prominent Republican or Democrat? :D

Now on to stem cell research. The Bush administration is the first administration in American history to allocate any funding towards stem cell research. The idea that Bush is "killing" stem cell research is a myth propogated by his most vocal opponents. It's intellectually dishonest at best, and morally corrupt at it's worst.

About the war. Heh heh heh... See the other 200 threads concerning "Bush's daddy war". There's plenty of debate going on all over this place. No need to start a new one here.

[EmpyreLounge44]

Yeah Stern has had the same BS rant for years...if it bothered him so much, he would walk away from his contract but you know he is dying to be fired so he can be a martyr for free speech. I'm not certain that Kerry is the answer to anything that I disagree with Bush on, but I do think he is the best available option since McCain isn't an option...and I know all about Tipper and Liebermann who thankfully didn't have a chance to throw morals at me.

I think the fact that the Bush admin is making a claim saying they are the first to allocate funds is kind of bogus since there was what, only one other admin that it was even possible and even then it was too new...as far as my understanding goes. My understand is that Bush only supports it to a certain point and I do not really understand why he wouldn't support it more? The only thing I can think of is that he doesn't want someone playing god...and that is where his religious views bother me. And its not fact that that is why...just my take on the whole thing.

yeah i've seen all those war threads, definitly no need to start another one.

i also hate how apperently bush supporters are funding the vets against kerry and now bush is crying about anti bush ads...can't have it both ways. i don't like how the bush camp is taking on kerry's vet image and trying to tarnish it much like they did to McCain.

The best reason to vote Kerry and hope he wins is to push back Hillary's run for as long as possible

[NeilDiamondDave]

Yea, Bush really seems to be crackin' down on the arts. Not much porn around these days, huh? Not alot of foul language in movies/music since bush too. That is such nonsense. As is the hatecrime crap. So If someone you love is murdered you can feel better... at least it wasnt a hatecrime. What kinda nonsense is this? Just another way for those millionaires on the left to divide the nation.

[EmpyreLounge44]

actually im neither on the left or the right...im one of those important swing voters, well i would be important if i didn't live in mass which im pretty sure is set on it's vote.

i think the hatecrime thing is important. if it is a hate crime that proves premeditation and a harsher penalty for the person convicted of the crime. Does it bring your loved one back? no of course not

[Big Train]

Kerry isn't exactly "Open" to gay marriage, nor is he exactly "Clear" what that position is....


http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/kerry/articles/2004/02/12/kerry_opposed_gay_marriage_ban_in_letter/

[Warham]

Kerry is against gay marriage. I believe he's also personally against abortion.

As far as stem cell research, people in the know have pretty much said it's not going to lead to a cure for alzheimers, etc.

[ELVIS]

Bullshit...

In simple terms, Stem cells have the amazing ability to develop into any kind of cell they need to, in order to repair any kind of tissue or organ...

The possibilities are incredible...


http://www.drudgereport.com/crosshairs.jpg


:elvis:

[MAX]

Originally posted by Warham
Kerry is against gay marriage. I believe he's also personally against abortion.

Is that what he said today? No worries, he will change his mind tomorrow. :D

Seriously, I heard an interview with that Himler wife of his where she was proud of the abortion that she once had and he supported her?

Anyone else know as to what I'm referring?

[Cathedral]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Bullshit...

In simple terms, Stem cells have the amazing ability to develop into any kind of cell they need to, in order to repair any kind of tissue or organ...

The possibilities are incredible...


http://www.drudgereport.com/crosshairs.jpg


:elvis:

Except for growing Mylan on the spinal cord once a disease like Multiple Sclerosis eliminates it.
There have been two transplants done on MS patients from Stem Cell Research, and after a couple of months of promising signs the patient never regrew the Mylan. One has even died since from pneumonia.
Stem Cell research is nothing more than an attempt at playing God and it will not be successful.
Just because we here in America do not dive into that field doesn't mean that it isn't happening in Europe and to date no cures for anything have been found.

Does it create treatments that can prolong life? Yes, those possibilities are endless. but the advantages hardly make it a worthwhile venture to invest in since death is still the end result for the sick and the embryos.

[ELVIS]

Well, all medical advances come through research, therefore, I believe in the research...

I also believe that God gave man the wisdom and the free will to conduct such research, just as he has given us all that we have...

With the proper checks and balances, stem cell research is a good thing...

[Cathedral]

Ah, but also, Just because we can doesn't mean we should.
It used to be that a farmer could plant a crop and harvest that crop while collecting seeds from it to replant next season.
Research has developed a way that new crops can be planted without viable seed to replant in order to boost sales of new seed.

And the nutritional value of these new "seed" is far less than what nature initially gave us.

Just because we can does not mean we should.
Faith should be placed in God, not Laboratory Researchers who found a way to cheat and manipulate life (Seed) to his own advantage.

Wisdom comes in realising mans limitations, and when to say when.

[ELVIS]

I don't know if there are limitations...

..but your points are well taken...

Still, I believe in research, and looking and moving foward...

[Cathedral]

I agree with you, to a point, but it was fun debating total difference of opinion with you, brother.

You know that this issue is very very close to my heart, and i want to support it. I just can't see the method justifying the means.

It's taking the makings of a baby and re-directing its purpose for something other than life. I dunno, it just doesn't set well with me and i cannot support it.

[ELVIS]

Well, stem cells can be taken from adults as well, but the pure cells come from a fetus...

Mabye in the future, these cells can be obtained from a viable fetus who is left unharmed, and is born a normal healthy child...

I am, of course, pro life, and anti-abortion...

[Cathedral]

Now that i could get on board with. I also know that these stem cells were never obtained by embryo's intended to be babies either, but it doesn't change what they really are in my mind.

if research can accomplish that task, I'd change my view.

[ELVIS]

The technology is advancing at light speed...

We'll see.. hopefully...


:elvis:

[tobinentinc]

For you Pro-Choice people, look at this:
http://www.warroom.com/abortion.jpg

[tobinentinc]

Nice huh?? Let's let the Feminist bitches do this more often. :mad:

[Warham]

Somebody who's pro-choice...try to tell me that's not a viable 100% human being.

[JCOOK]

I believe they call it "an unviable tissue mass"