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lucky wilbury
03-01-2004, 03:13 AM
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37357

Suicide bombers coming to U.S.?
Israeli raid turns up terror plot against Americans, Europeans

Posted: March 1, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern


2004 WorldNetDaily.com


A document discovered during a recent Israeli army raid on some West Bank financial institutions found payrolls being prepared for terrorists trained to commit suicide attacks not just in Israel but in the U.S. and Europe, Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin reports.

Israel has reportedly shared the information with the intelligence agencies of friendly countries, including the U.S. and Russia, according to the premium, online intelligence newsletter.

In addition, new information about the ways and means of suicide bombers has been shared indirectly with the governments of Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf states.

G2B has learned Israeli specialists are now working closely with Russian agents of the Federal Security Force, sharing with them information on the technology and means of preparing suicide bombs to be used by individual shahids or "suicide martyrs."

In the course of the latest raids, Israel seized millions in cash from four Palestinian bank branches much of it sent by Iran, Syria and Lebanese Hezbollah guerrillas to fund Palestinian terrorists.

The joint operation by police, army and the Shin Bet security service last Wednesday marked Israel's largest-scale effort in more than three years of fighting to stop the flow of funds to Palestinian terrorist groups, including from Hezbollah.

Troops were accompanied by computer experts from two of the banks, who had been arrested overnight. Soldiers covered the banks' cameras with sacks or disabled them, and confined employees to back rooms, witnesses said.

"The purpose of this operation is to impair the funneling of funds, which oil the wheels of terror against Israel," an Israeli army statement said.

Israeli forces checked several hundred bank accounts, some belonging to Hamas and Islamic Jihad, security sources said. An Israeli official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the forces were also looking for evidence of possible involvement by Yasser Arafat in funding terror attacks.

The forces took the equivalent of $6.5 million to $9 million from the bank vaults, corresponding to the amount of money found in the targeted accounts, security sources said.

The operation is part of the "global war" on terrorist funding, an Israeli army statement said.

Suicide bombers are growing more sophisticated, say G2B sources. Israeli counter-terror experts who participated in a South Carolina conference introduced a number of photos and actual products of suicide bombers' equipment including carry-on bags and briefcases loaded with pipe bombs and activated by cell phones. The cell-phone system is described as a method used by a team of attackers one is the mule carrying the bomb and the other dials the activating number at the right moment. This method is also designed to avoid last-minute hesitations by the bomb carrier.

Police experts say the method of building suicide bomb vests has advanced by the use of more sophisticated explosives and techniques of flattening the charges so they can be concealed easily into clothing items. A police source told G2B terrorists are developing such bombs knowing they will have to improve concealment towards the coming spring and summer. Climate conditions will automatically raise suspicions of whoever wears heavy, winter type, items when the temperatures are high.

The use of better designed suicide bombs will have an effect on other terror intentions such as attacks on airlines or penetrating offices guarded by traditional methods only.

While suicide bomb attacks are common in Israel, they have been unheard of in the U.S. They are on the increase, however, against U.S. forces in Iraq. Last week Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said the No. 1 threat to the new government and U.S. forces in Iraq comes from suicide bombers.

Viking
03-01-2004, 03:18 AM
I saw this article myself about and hour ago.....


HEATHEN COCKSUCKERS!

Cathedral
03-01-2004, 03:33 AM
Lock and Load, baby.............

For those of you who are reading impaired....You have just been drafted into the USCM (United States Civilian Military) so be alert and on your toe's.
If you are going to be in big crowds, be careful and observant. If you don't carry a firearm then alert the nearest law enforcement agancy and take cover if you encounter any suspicious characters in your area.

This is no joke and don't be afraid, stay strong and keep your family close whenever possible.

I personally think that if we were to turn the tables on the terrorists we could prove yet again what this country has proven in the past....These colors don't run, and we don't hide from anyone.

Viking
03-01-2004, 03:42 AM
All the more reason to keep a heater and ammo in your glove box......:elvis:

Cathedral
03-01-2004, 10:00 AM
Exhibit A

Cathedral
03-01-2004, 10:00 AM
Exhibit B

Cathedral
03-01-2004, 10:06 AM
Wal-Mart carries a nice assortment of .22 rifles and Shotguns starting at $331.
I have a great idea for silent protection that my brother mentioned last night.......A cross bow.

But, none of these are to be purchased without first getting a full understanding of gun safety and signing up for shooting instrutction at the local firing range.
Guns are an excellent source of protection, but in the hands of the ignorant can and are deadly.

twonabomber
03-01-2004, 10:16 AM
Cat, you gonna get a concealed carry permit?

FORD
03-01-2004, 10:19 AM
I have long suspected that the so called "suicide bombers" are actually brainwashed individuals (look up the CIA's "MK-Ultra" program) who aren't under their own power. The implementation of this plan in Israel has certainly allowed Sharon and his Likud fascists to get away with an increasingly oppressive agenda leading up to his current tribute to the Berlin Wall.

Would they try such a thing in the US?

The test case has already been done.......


Posted 8/31/2003 7:21 PM

Co-worker of Pa. bank robber found dead
ERIE, Pa (AP) A friend and co-worker of a pizza deliveryman who robbed a bank then died when a bomb strapped to his body exploded was found dead at his home Sunday.

Police said there was no obvious connection between the two deaths. Still, authorities sent a bomb squad to search the home in Lawrence Park Township as a precaution, Erie state police Cpl. Mark Zaleski said.

"There was nothing overtly obvious as to the cause of his death," Zaleski said, "but because there's a relationship between the two individuals, we are over there."

The 43-year-old man, whose name was not released Sunday afternoon, worked with Brian Douglas Wells, 46, who died Thursday shortly after robbing a bank in Erie. Minutes before the bomb went off, Wells told officers who stopped him that he had been forced to rob the bank. No one else was injured in the explosion.

Wells had gone to deliver a pizza to a mysterious address in a remote area about an hour before he turned up at the bank with the bomb strapped to his body.

Police received a call early Sunday asking for medical assistance at the home where Wells' co-worker lived with his parents, but the man refused medical assistance, Zaleski said.

A few hours later, authorities were called again after his parents found him unresponsive. He was pronounced dead at the home and an autopsy was scheduled, Zaleski said.

FBI Special Agent Bob Rudge said there was no reason to connect the man's death to Wells' case.

There was no answer at the pizza shop where both men worked.

Dr. Love
03-01-2004, 10:50 AM
I've got my air rifle. I hope that'll be enough. :cool:

Cathedral
03-01-2004, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by twonabomber
Cat, you gonna get a concealed carry permit?

Already got one, I was damn near first in line once the laws changed here, although that in and of itself is enough to make a guy nervous. You see, when and if they ever start outlawing guns in Ohio the way they have certain guns in California. It is on record the guns you have registered (which is why i am always looking for the so called back street dealers)
I have an old shoulder holster that is as old as these guns posted here and i need a new one since the leather wasn't taken care of.
But at over $100 i'll just keep it under my carseat for now.

A friend of mine has a cool ass Barretta 9 mm. i am trying to get my hands on because at the moment i don't own anything that uses a clip.

My dad gave me both of my .357 Mags and a case of hollowpoint shells to go with them (which are illegal now) but they are pretty old and need to be re-loaded in my opinion.
I am also looking for a re-loading machine like my brothers to reduce the cost of bullets.
The .357 also uses .38 shells which is a little less expensive but not much.
I have a bunch of 12 and 20 guage shotguns and an old late 1800's square barrel Winchester .22 rifle i used to shoot groundhogs with in the cornfield.

I have been around handguns since i was born and i cannot stress enough to people buying their first firearms to GET PROPER TRAINING AND ALWAYS, ALWAYS BE RESPONSIBLE WHEN HANDELING THEM!!!!

I watched my grandpa shoot himself in the leg cleaning an unloaded gun when i was 12, lol. I have since adopted the mind set that there is NO such thing as an unloaded gun.

I don't feel safe in this world today, but i do know that if anyone comes into my home with intent to harm or just invade my space, i will make sure they remember me with every step they take in the future.

If they can walk at all...

twonabomber
03-01-2004, 11:08 AM
i think i'm gonna get a permit, but i'll wait until the initial rush is over. little gun shop near me has a couple small Berettas that i've been looking at. he's got a stainless Beretta 9mm for just over $600, too.

Cathedral
03-01-2004, 11:19 AM
I dig the Barretta's, they are so smooth and lightweight they make the perfect personal security system without being bulky.
I like the stainless steel offerings in any pistol cause they are so much easier to keep clean. $600 is a good price for one in stainless.

I highly recommend learning how to shoot and owning at least one gun whether it be a rifle for home protection or a pistol for personal 24/7 protection.
We don't live in the same world as it was when we were all kids and when push comes to shove i'd rather get killed fighting back as opposed to just being a victim of crime.

Wal-Mart has some cool deals on .22 rifle's and shotguns, but slowly the parent and anti-gun groups are putting a stop to that. Alot of those stores have stopped carrying them, which sucks donkey dick...

Jesus Christ
03-01-2004, 12:22 PM
Violence only begets violence, My children :(

John Ashcroft
03-01-2004, 01:37 PM
Does all this talk scare you?

Thank God our founders were smart enough to include the 2nd Ammendment. I know you all know this, but everyone should spread the word of the constant attempts by liberals in Congress to repeal the 2nd Ammendment (through illegal legislation that's validated by liberal justices). I'm not scared of terrorists, and this story really only gives a modern-day example of why the 2nd Ammendment was written. An oppressive government is just as real a threat.

And if you hear the bullshit from the left about how the Constitution is a "living, breathing" document, ask them why their opposed to the proposed marriage ammendment. Regardless of the merit of such an Ammendment, at least Bush is following Constitutional procedure.

Jesus Christ
03-01-2004, 02:44 PM
Please don't thank Me or My Father for your excuses for violence. We had nothing to do with it. :(

Ye think of yourselves as My disciples, yet ye deliberately oppose My teachings and prepare for violence.

Verily I say unto you, as a Jew who was born in the (now) Palestinian village of Bethlehem that nobody is a suicide bomber by nature. Furthermore, as One who willingly sacrificed My own lifefor the benefit of mankind, I can tell you it was no easy decision. These people do not martyr themselves but are driven by forces they cannot control. Back in My day they would have been thought to have been possessed by demons, but today, the posession is truly the work of mankind. :(

BigBadBrian
03-01-2004, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by Jesus Christ
Please don't thank Me or My Father for your excuses for violence. We had nothing to do with it. :(

Ye think of yourselves as My disciples, yet ye deliberately oppose My teachings and prepare for violence.

Verily I say unto you, as a Jew who was born in the (now) Palestinian village of Bethlehem that nobody is a suicide bomber by nature. Furthermore, as One who willingly sacrificed My own lifefor the benefit of mankind, I can tell you it was no easy decision. These people do not martyr themselves but are driven by forces they cannot control. Back in My day they would have been thought to have been possessed by demons, but today, the posession is truly the work of mankind. :(


FORD, you're fuckin' warped. You probably actually believe your own spew. That's the sad part.

knuckleboner
03-01-2004, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by John Ashcroft
Does all this talk scare you?

Thank God our founders were smart enough to include the 2nd Ammendment. I know you all know this, but everyone should spread the word of the constant attempts by liberals in Congress to repeal the 2nd Ammendment (through illegal legislation that's validated by liberal justices). I'm not scared of terrorists, and this story really only gives a modern-day example of why the 2nd Ammendment was written. An oppressive government is just as real a threat.



i think there's still a little debate on what the 2nd amendment actually means. personally, i don't think that ALL gun control laws are inherently against the Constitution; though i also don't believe the 9th circuit (i know, that part should just be assumed!:D)'s assertion that the amendment is a group and not individual right.

FORD
03-01-2004, 03:58 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
FORD, you're fuckin' warped. You probably actually believe your own spew. That's the sad part.

I never say anything I don't believe. And for the record, I have no problem with sane, law abiding adults owning guns. But likewise, I won't pretend that fascination with weapons is compatible with the teachings of Jesus Christ.

:gun:

Ally_Kat
03-01-2004, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by Jesus Christ
Violence only begets violence, My children :(

which is why all this talk of violence has come to this thread, because of the payroll and possible suicide bombers here.

Ally_Kat
03-01-2004, 04:15 PM
i gotta admit that after 9/11, this is the thing i've been really worried about coming over here. I never really understood why it wasn't being executed over here.

Cathedral
03-01-2004, 06:04 PM
Ford, if you think for one minute that i would sit by while my family is victimized you are a true wimp of the earth.

I have no intentions of ever killing anyone but in that same breath let me tell you that i would blow someones body part off to defend my family.
The rule with me goes like this.
If i catch an un-armed man robbing my home i will hold him at gunpoint ntil the cops show up

If i catch a person armed with a knife in my home i will aim for the shoulders so there will be no swinging the blade at anyone, then wait for authorities to show up.

If i catch a person armed with a gun in my home i will blow his head clean off, end of story.

Now the interesting part is that i was told by a friend who is a County Sheriff that if i ever shoot anyone in my home to shoot to kill, even if they are unarmed.
I thought that was strange advice coming from an officer but it is apparently a practice today that criminals that are injured by home owners actually have the right to collect damages from the person they are robbing if they are hurt by said home owner.

Secondly, No Liberal that supports abortion and gay unions and logs onto a website as Jesus Christ and then posts in a language that mimics our Savior is going to levy moral or spiritual values to me.

Yes, i know all about violence breeding violence, but i also know that pretending to be Jesus is a slap in the face to the Messiah.
The problem is that you are apparently to full of yourself to understand how wrong that really is.
If you want to debate this subject then do it as yourself and leave your distorted and inaccurate view of Jesus out of it.

I'll protect my family at all costs, ALL COSTS!!!

Cathedral
03-01-2004, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by Ally_Kat
i gotta admit that after 9/11, this is the thing i've been really worried about coming over here. I never really understood why it wasn't being executed over here.

30% of the homes i have inspected in the last two months are owned by Muslims. Most of them don't have any furniture at all and sleeping bags all over the floors. In some cases they share space like Mexicans.
I never fear for my life because i am just one guy and they want insurance on their property before they blow it up anyway, lol.

But i do examine very carefully the items kept in those homes and one common thing with them all? They all smell the same and it is a repulsive odor to me.

Anyway, the point i am making is the same as yours. I wonder just how many of them are here for Anti-American purposes and just exactly when is that first suicide bomber going to strike?

As a rule i never enter someones home armed, but when the name on my list is of Muslim origin? I make an exception.
Normally i would never stereotype anyone because of race color or religion, but that is not the case anymore. How can we not when your next door neighbor leaves one day and then you find out he was a terrorist on a plane that killed 3000 of your fellow countrymen and women?
they move into our cities, attend our pool parties, become our friends, and then one day execute an agenda that was years in teh making.

There is a Morrocan in my family and he understands my position and doesn't blame me one bit for not trusting him as far as i can see him which really sucks because when i first met him 10 years ago he was just a normal guy like all my other friends and we got along great.

I didn't create this climate and neither did you, but i will not ignore trends that could cost lives and i do fear there is another attack coming in some form, I hate that feeling because my gut is rarely wrong.

And when it happens the only person we will be able to cunt on is ourselves. The military and police will have their hands full and won't have time to worry about us...
Arm yourself, and be prepared, but above all do NOT be afraid of anything.
if you get blown up then it was your time, if you are near where an attack happens, help those that need it.
Just don't live in fear, that is no way to live...

knuckleboner
03-01-2004, 06:40 PM
Originally posted by Cathedral
Now the interesting part is that i was told by a friend who is a County Sheriff that if i ever shoot anyone in my home to shoot to kill, even if they are unarmed.
I thought that was strange advice coming from an officer but it is apparently a practice today that criminals that are injured by home owners actually have the right to collect damages from the person they are robbing if they are hurt by said home owner.




dude, this is not always the case. basically, the criminal will only win a lawsuit against you if you used unnecessary force. if you catch a guy breaking into your house and he sees you, apologizes and turns his back to leave the house, you can't shoot him. even if you tell him to stop and wait for the cops, you can't shoot him.

the basic rule is that you can't use deadly force to protect property. however, you CAN use deadly force to protect people.

the rub comes if you shoot the intruder as he's holding a knife and advancing on your family, and then in court, he says he was trying to leave. yes, that might go to court. but trust me, the jury's MUCH less likely to believe the criminal.

VERY RARELY, lawsuits by criminals have been successful. but it's extremely rare.

more often than not, though, if you pop the guy with intent to kill, when it wasn't necessary, THAT'S where you're more likely to get into trouble. the criminal's family will still sue, even if he's dead. and if you unloaded a chamber to ensure his death, when the guy was unarmed, it's a bit more likely the jury finds for the crook's family.

however, as long as you use your judgment based on simply assessing the threat, you shouldn't lose any lawsuit.

and killing a guy with a knife in your home, rather than hitting him in the shoulder is acceptable. if it's a threat to a person, you're not required to take all possible precautions. you do what you have to to ensure the safety of those at risk.

lucky wilbury
03-01-2004, 06:49 PM
there were people picked up in brooklyn a few years ago with suicide vest all ready to go. they were going to target jews before they go caught. for the record 9-11 was basically a suicide bombing. lets also not forget the highjackers claimed to have bombs when they took over the planes.

Ally_Kat
03-01-2004, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by Cathedral
30% of the homes i have inspected in the last two months are owned by Muslims. Most of them don't have any furniture at all and sleeping bags all over the floors. In some cases they share space like Mexicans.
I never fear for my life because i am just one guy and they want insurance on their property before they blow it up anyway, lol.

But i do examine very carefully the items kept in those homes and one common thing with them all? They all smell the same and it is a repulsive odor to me.

Anyway, the point i am making is the same as yours. I wonder just how many of them are here for Anti-American purposes and just exactly when is that first suicide bomber going to strike?

As a rule i never enter someones home armed, but when the name on my list is of Muslim origin? I make an exception.
Normally i would never stereotype anyone because of race color or religion, but that is not the case anymore. How can we not when your next door neighbor leaves one day and then you find out he was a terrorist on a plane that killed 3000 of your fellow countrymen and women?
they move into our cities, attend our pool parties, become our friends, and then one day execute an agenda that was years in teh making.

There is a Morrocan in my family and he understands my position and doesn't blame me one bit for not trusting him as far as i can see him which really sucks because when i first met him 10 years ago he was just a normal guy like all my other friends and we got along great.

I didn't create this climate and neither did you, but i will not ignore trends that could cost lives and i do fear there is another attack coming in some form, I hate that feeling because my gut is rarely wrong.

And when it happens the only person we will be able to cunt on is ourselves. The military and police will have their hands full and won't have time to worry about us...
Arm yourself, and be prepared, but above all do NOT be afraid of anything.
if you get blown up then it was your time, if you are near where an attack happens, help those that need it.
Just don't live in fear, that is no way to live...

I think that way, too - that if i'm in the train car sitting next to the guy at rush hour who decides it's time to do his thing and I die, well then, it was my time. And if I should go out like that, I want it quick and done with.

I could never arm myself. I get really skirmish around guns. I had to monitor a NYPD Sergeant promotion test the other month and they made no effort to hide their guns. I cna't even begin to tell you how nervous I was in that room. That's why I'm an archery gal :D

And the whole living in fear thing - i'm going to be thinking about it and I'm going to be uncomfortable, but what can I do? Sit at home in my room for the rest of my life? I just do what I do and pray nothing happens.

Ally_Kat
03-01-2004, 07:06 PM
Originally posted by lucky wilbury
there were people picked up in brooklyn a few years ago with suicide vest all ready to go. they were going to target jews before they go caught. for the record 9-11 was basically a suicide bombing. lets also not forget the highjackers claimed to have bombs when they took over the planes.

Yep, 1997. Had plans to go on the trains - probably the Q because a lot of Jewish people ride that, or the M because there's a lil Jewish town off of the Williamsburg Bridge.

Cathedral
03-01-2004, 08:44 PM
Originally posted by knuckleboner
dude, this is not always the case. basically, the criminal will only win a lawsuit against you if you used unnecessary force. if you catch a guy breaking into your house and he sees you, apologizes and turns his back to leave the house, you can't shoot him. even if you tell him to stop and wait for the cops, you can't shoot him.

the basic rule is that you can't use deadly force to protect property. however, you CAN use deadly force to protect people.

the rub comes if you shoot the intruder as he's holding a knife and advancing on your family, and then in court, he says he was trying to leave. yes, that might go to court. but trust me, the jury's MUCH less likely to believe the criminal.

VERY RARELY, lawsuits by criminals have been successful. but it's extremely rare.

more often than not, though, if you pop the guy with intent to kill, when it wasn't necessary, THAT'S where you're more likely to get into trouble. the criminal's family will still sue, even if he's dead. and if you unloaded a chamber to ensure his death, when the guy was unarmed, it's a bit more likely the jury finds for the crook's family.

however, as long as you use your judgment based on simply assessing the threat, you shouldn't lose any lawsuit.

and killing a guy with a knife in your home, rather than hitting him in the shoulder is acceptable. if it's a threat to a person, you're not required to take all possible precautions. you do what you have to to ensure the safety of those at risk.

Exactly, the point he was making is that if there is only 1 story to tell then chances are i'd get the benefit of the doubt.
If a criminal is found dead in anyone's home shot in the back that is cold blooded murder, period.
In my assessment i wouldn't shoot anyone that wasn't armed, but i'd hold them at gunpoint until the cops showed up.

The fact is, i prefer targets to humans and hope i never have to use any gun on a person. But if the need ever were to arise i wouldn't be conflicted about it if it were them or me or mine.

Cathedral
03-01-2004, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by Ally_Kat
I think that way, too - that if i'm in the train car sitting next to the guy at rush hour who decides it's time to do his thing and I die, well then, it was my time. And if I should go out like that, I want it quick and done with.

I could never arm myself. I get really skirmish around guns. I had to monitor a NYPD Sergeant promotion test the other month and they made no effort to hide their guns. I cna't even begin to tell you how nervous I was in that room. That's why I'm an archery gal :D

And the whole living in fear thing - i'm going to be thinking about it and I'm going to be uncomfortable, but what can I do? Sit at home in my room for the rest of my life? I just do what I do and pray nothing happens.

You would be a nervous wreck at my house then....I'll make sure that if we ever meet it won't be here, lol...

Pink Spider
03-01-2004, 10:47 PM
Statistically, a fanatical Christian is more likely to carryout a terrorist attack in the US than a Muslim. But, don't let that get in the way of the fear-fest.

Maybe I don't watch enough TV to be paranoid, but I live in the city, don't own a gun and keep the doors unlocked for long periods of time. I've never had any trouble.

ELVIS
03-01-2004, 10:56 PM
Originally posted by Pink Spider
Statistically, a fanatical Christian is more likely to carryout a terrorist attack in the US than a Muslim.


You're fucked in the head...

Lets see those statistics...

Rubnose
03-01-2004, 11:00 PM
Hey remember those fanatical Chistians who slammed 747's into the Twin Towers?

Pink Spider
03-01-2004, 11:15 PM
Originally posted by ELVIS
You're fucked in the head...

Lets see those statistics...

Actually, you're the one that's fucked.

Perhaps you don't remember Timothy McVeigh, The Unabomber or Eric Rudolph. And what's the KKK been up to lately? Maybe Cathedral could answer that. :)

Cathedral
03-01-2004, 11:46 PM
Originally posted by Pink Spider
Statistically, a fanatical Christian is more likely to carryout a terrorist attack in the US than a Muslim. But, don't let that get in the way of the fear-fest.

Maybe I don't watch enough TV to be paranoid, but I live in the city, don't own a gun and keep the doors unlocked for long periods of time. I've never had any trouble.

Knock on wood, lol...

I agree with the fanatical christian being a dangerous cookie, especially the one's who hear the Lord's voice that tells them what to do everyday.

My mother is married to one of those guys and they don't seem to read much scripture at this point. we don't get along at the present time.

Cathedral
03-01-2004, 11:50 PM
Originally posted by Pink Spider
Actually, you're the one that's fucked.

Perhaps you don't remember Timothy McVeigh, The Unabomber or Eric Rudolph. And what's the KKK been up to lately? Maybe Cathedral could answer that. :)

Hey, i'm not sure i like the inference here. I know nothing of the KKK. But i do know that the fanatical christian lives by their own doctrine and does some very very starnge and scary stuff.

Anyone see the movie "Frailty?"
That is what i mean by fanatical christian.

Pink Spider
03-02-2004, 12:41 AM
Originally posted by Cathedral
Hey, i'm not sure i like the inference here. I know nothing of the KKK. But i do know that the fanatical christian lives by their own doctrine and does some very very starnge and scary stuff.

Anyone see the movie "Frailty?"
That is what i mean by fanatical christian.

Just kidding with ya about the KKK. Don't ask, don't smell. :D

Every group has it's fanatics, even Atheists (never really met one, but I suppose they too are out there). Judging a group, race or foreigner by their worst members is a bad thing to do. I've met some pretty screwed up Christians, but I'm not worried about them mailing a bomb via UPS or rigging my trash can with explosives.

Terrorism is nothing.
You're more likely to die in an auto accident than from it. Actually, you're probably more likely to die falling down the stairs or something stupid like that.

lucky wilbury
03-02-2004, 12:54 AM
what about the two embassy bombings in beruit as well as the two embassy bombings in africa. both are us soil. lets not forget the first wtc bombing that killed 6 and wounded more then 1000 which is more then the unabomber and rudolph combined.

Cathedral
03-02-2004, 01:16 AM
Originally posted by Pink Spider
Just kidding with ya about the KKK. Don't ask, don't smell. :D

Every group has it's fanatics, even Atheists (never really met one, but I suppose they too are out there). Judging a group, race or foreigner by their worst members is a bad thing to do. I've met some pretty screwed up Christians, but I'm not worried about them mailing a bomb via UPS or rigging my trash can with explosives.

Terrorism is nothing.
You're more likely to die in an auto accident than from it. Actually, you're probably more likely to die falling down the stairs or something stupid like that.

Hey nothing wrong with a few barbs between acquaintences, lol...

I wish i could agree with you that terrorism is nothing, but unfortunately those who have been killed in such attacks would differ with that opinion slightly i think.
You and I may never see the Reapers end of terrorism but that doesn't erase the fact that someone just like you and I has , can, or will lose a life because of it.

Car wrecks are more common simply due to numbers and the law of averages.
I'm at aloss for words on the falling down the steps thing, lol...I'll just say.......No Comment...:)

John Ashcroft
03-02-2004, 09:03 AM
Funny stuff. Hey Pinky, run now! Off to a "statistically safer" place for dumb white bitches, like Saudi or Iran. Go quickly before the Christian zealots get you!

Hey KB, How is it that virtual kiddy porn is protected by the first, but the 2nd isn't that clear? I'm cornfused again (after all, I'm just a dim-witted Christain fundamentalist from Oklahoma... Right Pinky? ):p

And Pinky, where are those stats?

knuckleboner
03-02-2004, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by John Ashcroft
Hey KB, How is it that virtual kiddy porn is protected by the first, but the 2nd isn't that clear?




bro, child pornography is NOT protected by the 1st amendment. now, recently, courts overturned the bans against computer-generated child porn on the basis of, since there were no real children involved, you couldn't outlaw it.

but normal kiddie porn? dude, just ask r. kelley. or peewee. or ed rooney. they'll lock you up in a heartbeat.

and the 2nd amendment isn't 100% clear. i mean, the amendment language, itself, isn't even proper grammar. then there's that whole, "militia" concept. (no, i don't think you need to be in a militia to have the right under the Constitution to keep and bare a firearm.)

but if one believes that there can be NO gun control laws that pass Constitutional muster, then they' have to also believe that convicted felons have the right to bare arms. that a 10 year old should be able to walk into a wal-mart and buy a 12-gauge. that metal detectors in courthouses should be outlawed. (shouldn't i be able to "bare" my arm in any government facility?) that it should be up to the individual airlines, but NOT against U.S. law to bring a gun onto an airplane. etc...

personally, i believe the 2nd amendment guarantees the right for citizens in good standing (don't worry. my definition of 'good standing' is real basic: adult, who isn't a convicted felon or hasn't been committed to a mental institution) to own a firearm.

i don't think it guarantees the right to ANY firearm. nor do i think it guarantees the right to buy a firearm the second you want one. just that if you want one, you should be able to get one.


however, at this point in time, i'm gonna sound like the NRA. i don't think more laws is the answer, as much as enforcing the existing ones. and unless someone adds an amendment to the Constitution (which i'm not advocating) i don't ever want to take away all firearms.

Pink Spider
03-02-2004, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by John Ashcroft
Funny stuff. Hey Pinky, run now! Off to a "statistically safer" place for dumb white bitches, like Saudi or Iran. Go quickly before the Christian zealots get you!

Are there any dumb white bastards there, like there are in Oklahoma?
Perhaps you haven't been listening to the Christian zealot lately. Their goal is nothing less than theocracy.


I'm cornfused again (after all, I'm just a dim-witted Christain fundamentalist from Oklahoma...

:D


And Pinky, where are those stats?

Where are the statistics that Muslims carry out more terrrorism acts on the US mainland? I'm waiting.

Cathedral
03-02-2004, 03:46 PM
Can't we all get along?
I don't see any reason why any discussion here involving religion has to fall into the pits of name calling and mean natured insults.

Agree to disagree, that is always the best policy.
He or She who provides facts to reinforce their opinion will always win the verbal battle and in most cases one or more parties learn something new.

Of course ignorance can get in the way of that task but i don't see either one of you two as ignorant.

Lets hug and split a frosty...:)

knuckleboner
03-02-2004, 03:59 PM
Originally posted by knuckleboner
bro, child pornography is NOT protected by the 1st amendment. now, recently, courts overturned the bans against computer-generated child porn on the basis of, since there were no real children involved, you couldn't outlaw it.

but normal kiddie porn? dude, just ask r. kelley. or peewee. or ed rooney. they'll lock you up in a heartbeat.

and the 2nd amendment isn't 100% clear. i mean, the amendment language, itself, isn't even proper grammar. then there's that whole, "militia" concept. (no, i don't think you need to be in a militia to have the right under the Constitution to keep and bare a firearm.)

but if one believes that there can be NO gun control laws that pass Constitutional muster, then they' have to also believe that convicted felons have the right to bare arms. that a 10 year old should be able to walk into a wal-mart and buy a 12-gauge. that metal detectors in courthouses should be outlawed. (shouldn't i be able to "bare" my arm in any government facility?) that it should be up to the individual airlines, but NOT against U.S. law to bring a gun onto an airplane. etc...

personally, i believe the 2nd amendment guarantees the right for citizens in good standing (don't worry. my definition of 'good standing' is real basic: adult, who isn't a convicted felon or hasn't been committed to a mental institution) to own a firearm.

i don't think it guarantees the right to ANY firearm. nor do i think it guarantees the right to buy a firearm the second you want one. just that if you want one, you should be able to get one.


however, at this point in time, i'm gonna sound like the NRA. i don't think more laws is the answer, as much as enforcing the existing ones. and unless someone adds an amendment to the Constitution (which i'm not advocating) i don't ever want to take away all firearms.



goddamn it, mr. AG. i really need to read better!!! i just saw that your whole point was on VIRTUAL kiddie porn. sorry!

though, i say the ruling against outlawing virtual child porn is correct (albeit the virtual child pornographers are still slime.)

still, while virtual child porn is allowed, it in no way means the 1st amendment is clear. we interpret that all the time. from libel to obscentity to t-shirts to campaign contributions, etc.

same goes with the 2nd. there has to be interpretation.

(and i promise to TRY and read a little more closely next time...)

Pink Spider
03-02-2004, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by Cathedral
Can't we all get along?
I don't see any reason why any discussion here involving religion has to fall into the pits of name calling and mean natured insults.

Agree to disagree, that is always the best policy.
He or She who provides facts to reinforce their opinion will always win the verbal battle and in most cases one or more parties learn something new.

Of course ignorance can get in the way of that task but i don't see either one of you two as ignorant.

Lets hug and split a frosty...:)

You're right, of course.

Believe it or not, a long, long time ago, I used to be nice to people on these boards. Trading insults with Republicans hasn't helped me any.

I'm stopping today. They're not worth it.

BigBadBrian
03-02-2004, 05:09 PM
Originally posted by Pink Spider
You're right, of course.

Believe it or not, a long, long time ago, I used to be nice to people on these boards. Trading insults with Republicans hasn't helped me any.

I'm stopping today. They're not worth it.

Liberals aren't either. Since I'm an Independent, maybe we can knock boots to seal the deal? Hmmm? :sex:

Cathedral
03-02-2004, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by Pink Spider

I'm stopping today. They're not worth it.

The insults or the Republicans , lol...sorry, i saw an opening and went for it.

As each and every day passes i think more and more that the whole Dem vs. Repub arguments are designed to keep this country divided.
I truly believe that because of all the ankle biting and bickering going back and forth bewteen the two party's that in the end it is us, the American Public that ends up Disenfranchised.

I mean it is over partisan politics that nothing gets done anymore. The issues are always the same, each side is always boasting of a NEW America for the people, yet nothing good or really worthwhile gets done or comes from either candidate who wins.
Unless you are a fat cat politician you are dictated to by fat cat politicians. This is what we the people need to realize and change.

Without the blue coller worker this country wouldn't have rich people. rich people rely on us the "bottom feeders" as they so lovingly call us in Washington.
I am to the point where i don't think it matters who we elect, it will be the wrong person.

lucky wilbury
03-02-2004, 07:15 PM
----------
Feb 26,1993 truck bombing at the World Trade Center 6 killed over a 1000 injured

Sept 11 2001 Highjacking of Flight 93 crashed in Penn 45 people killed

Sept 11,2001 Highjacking of American Airlines Flight 11, crashed into the north tower of WTC 92 killed

Sept 11,2001 highjacking of American Airlines Flight 77, crashed into the Pentagon with 64 people aboard.

Sept 11,2001 highjacking of United Airlines Flight 175, crashed into the south tower 65 killed

Sept 11,2001 Crash of highjacked American Airlines Flight 77 at Pentagon 125 killed

Sept 11,2001 Attack on the World Trade Center Towers 2,630 killed

----------------------

7 terrorist attacks carried out by muslim extremists on the us main land. the number of people killed by each highjacker alone on 9-11 is: 159 people as opposed to the 84 people killed by each of the okc bombers. therefore your hae a higher casualty rate involving a terrorist attack involving muslim extremists. as for the larger list of who is more dangerous here's a short list of terror attacks by muslim extremists carried out againest americans:

Apr 18,1983 Bombing of U.S. Embassy in Beirut 63 killed

Oct. 23,1983 Bombing of Marine barracks in Beirut 241 marines more than 100 injured

Dec. 12,1983 Bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Kuwait 6 killed 80 injured

Mar 16,1984 CIA Station Chief William Buckley kidnapped died in captivity

Sept 20,1984 Bombing of U.S. Embassy annex northeast of Beirut 24 killed

Dec. 3,1984 Hijacking of Kuwait Airways Flight 221 2 killed

June 14,1985 Hijacking of TWA Flight 847 1 killed

Oct. 7,1985 Hijacking of cruise ship Achille Lauro 1 killed

Dec. 17,1985 airports in Rome and Vienna were bombed 20 killed

Apr 5, 1986 Bombing of La Belle Discotheque 2 killed nearly 200 wounded

Dec 21,1988 Bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 270 killed

Feb 26,1993 truck bombing at the World Trade Center 6 killed over a 1000 injured

Nov 14 1995, car bombing exploded in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, 7 killed

June 25,1996 Bombing of Khobar Towers 19 killed wounding hundreds

Aug. 7,1998 Bombings of embassys in Kenya and Tanzania 224 killed more than 4,000 wounded

Oct 12 2000 Bombing of the USS Cole 17 killed 39 injured

Sept 11 2001 Highjacking of Flight 93 crashed in Penn 45 people killed

Sept 11,2001 Highjacking of American Airlines Flight 11, crashed into the north tower of WTC 92 killed

Sept 11,2001 highjacking of American Airlines Flight 77, crashed into the Pentagon with 64 people aboard.

Sept 11,2001 highjacking of United Airlines Flight 175, crashed into the south tower 65 killed

Sept 11,2001 Crash of highjacked American Airlines Flight 77 at Pentagon 125 killed

Sept 11,2001 Attack on the World Trade Center Towers 2,630 killed

May 12, 2003 Attack in Riyadh 34 killed 194 wounded

Pink Spider
03-02-2004, 11:33 PM
Originally posted by lucky wilbury
----------
Feb 26,1993 truck bombing at the World Trade Center 6 killed over a 1000 injured

Sept 11 2001 Highjacking of Flight 93 crashed in Penn 45 people killed

Sept 11,2001 Highjacking of American Airlines Flight 11, crashed into the north tower of WTC 92 killed

Sept 11,2001 highjacking of American Airlines Flight 77, crashed into the Pentagon with 64 people aboard.

Sept 11,2001 highjacking of United Airlines Flight 175, crashed into the south tower 65 killed

Sept 11,2001 Crash of highjacked American Airlines Flight 77 at Pentagon 125 killed

Sept 11,2001 Attack on the World Trade Center Towers 2,630 killed

----------------------

7 terrorist attacks carried out by muslim extremists on the us main land. the number of people killed by each highjacker alone on 9-11 is: 159 people as opposed to the 84 people killed by each of the okc bombers. therefore your hae a higher casualty rate involving a terrorist attack involving muslim extremists. as for the larger list of who is more dangerous here's a short list of terror attacks by muslim extremists carried out againest americans:

Apr 18,1983 Bombing of U.S. Embassy in Beirut 63 killed

Oct. 23,1983 Bombing of Marine barracks in Beirut 241 marines more than 100 injured

Dec. 12,1983 Bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Kuwait 6 killed 80 injured

Mar 16,1984 CIA Station Chief William Buckley kidnapped died in captivity

Sept 20,1984 Bombing of U.S. Embassy annex northeast of Beirut 24 killed

Dec. 3,1984 Hijacking of Kuwait Airways Flight 221 2 killed

June 14,1985 Hijacking of TWA Flight 847 1 killed

Oct. 7,1985 Hijacking of cruise ship Achille Lauro 1 killed

Dec. 17,1985 airports in Rome and Vienna were bombed 20 killed

Apr 5, 1986 Bombing of La Belle Discotheque 2 killed nearly 200 wounded

Dec 21,1988 Bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 270 killed

Feb 26,1993 truck bombing at the World Trade Center 6 killed over a 1000 injured

Nov 14 1995, car bombing exploded in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, 7 killed

June 25,1996 Bombing of Khobar Towers 19 killed wounding hundreds

Aug. 7,1998 Bombings of embassys in Kenya and Tanzania 224 killed more than 4,000 wounded

Oct 12 2000 Bombing of the USS Cole 17 killed 39 injured

Sept 11 2001 Highjacking of Flight 93 crashed in Penn 45 people killed

Sept 11,2001 Highjacking of American Airlines Flight 11, crashed into the north tower of WTC 92 killed

Sept 11,2001 highjacking of American Airlines Flight 77, crashed into the Pentagon with 64 people aboard.

Sept 11,2001 highjacking of United Airlines Flight 175, crashed into the south tower 65 killed

Sept 11,2001 Crash of highjacked American Airlines Flight 77 at Pentagon 125 killed

Sept 11,2001 Attack on the World Trade Center Towers 2,630 killed

May 12, 2003 Attack in Riyadh 34 killed 194 wounded

OK, you win...for the moment. ;)

However, I think Sept. 11th should be considered one planned attack instead of many and those not involving US mainland shouldn't count when talking about attacks in the actual US.

I've had trouble finding a list of Christian "terrorism" attacks. I think the definition of 'terrorism' can be extended to 'hate crimes' and such, not just bombs and hijackings. Someone plotting or killing someone in the name of Christianity, doesn't always get classified as "terrorism". Shooting someone is certainly "terror", isn't it?
Here's an example: The US Terrorism Plot That the Media Ignores (http://www.thememoryhole.org/terror/tyler-terror.htm) So, a white supremisist, right-wing group plots a terrorist attack and nothing is mentioned in the media. However, like mentioned on there, if it was a Muslim group, they would make front page news.

Viking
03-03-2004, 02:44 AM
Originally posted by Cathedral:

Wal-Mart carries a nice assortment of .22 rifles and Shotguns starting at $331.

Brother, if you're paying $331 for a .22 squirrel gun at Walmart, you're getting your fudge packed.,........:D :D :D

lucky wilbury
03-03-2004, 03:55 AM
.22:D you boys gotta get some .50 cal sniper rifles. now theres a weapon.

ELVIS
03-03-2004, 04:19 AM
Originally posted by Pink Spider

I've had trouble finding a list of Christian "terrorism" attacks.

That was a waste of precious time.. you could have spent it slobbing on a muslim knob...

I think the definition of 'terrorism' can be extended to 'hate crimes' and such, not just bombs and hijackings.

The problem with this sentence is "I think."


Someone plotting or killing someone in the name of Christianity, doesn't always get classified as "terrorism".

..as it shouldn't. Can you site specific examples ??

Shooting someone is certainly "terror", isn't it?

No! Shooting someone is shooting someone. Terror is an overwhelming feeling of fear and anxiety...





Nice try Pinky...

:elvis:

knuckleboner
03-03-2004, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by Pink Spider
Shooting someone is certainly "terror", isn't it?



how have you not mentioned abortion bombings / abortion doctors being killed?

whether abortion is moral or not, no church will sanction murder to stop murder. but i think that attacking abortion clinics/doctors (in order to scare others into stopping) could possibly be considered a form of terrorism...

John Ashcroft
03-03-2004, 02:14 PM
Originally posted by Pink Spider
You're right, of course.

Believe it or not, a long, long time ago, I used to be nice to people on these boards. Trading insults with Republicans hasn't helped me any.

I'm stopping today. They're not worth it.

Heh heh.. Started a little shit storm, didn't I?

Please sweet-cheeks, don't stop throwing the insults. I laugh my ass off at most of them. You're actually pretty funny in a somewhat witty way. Don't ever worry about offending me, as I'm not easily offended and I enjoy the challenges. I like to barb, (and you like to "bob" so we're a match made in heaven...) where was I? Oh yeah, I like to trade barbs just for fun. I promise I don't mean ill will towards anyone here, it's all in good fun IMO. After all, I've never even met any of you.

So, throw 'em with abandon anytime you want. I'm still working out that "head-ass separation" thingy you recommended a while back...;)