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lucky wilbury
03-22-2004, 12:13 AM
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040322/D81F67LG0.html

Israeli Air Strike Kills Hamas Founder


Mar 21, 10:56 PM (ET)

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) - Israeli helicopters fired missiles at Hamas leader Sheik Ahmed Yassin as he left a mosque near his house at daybreak Monday, residents said, and witnesses said he was killed.

Witnesses said Israeli helicopters fired three missiles at Yassin and two bodyguards as they left the mosque, killing them instantly. Hamas officials confirmed he had been killed.

Yussef Haddad, 35, a taxi driver, said he saw the missiles hit Yassin and the bodyguards.

"Their bodies were shattered," he said.

Yassin, a quadriplegic, was by far the most senior Palestinian militant killed in more than three years of Israeli-Palestinian fighting. Hundreds of angry Palestinians gathered around his minutes after the attack, calling for revenge against Israel.

Ambulances and fire trucks raced to the scene with sirens wailing, and rescue workers were gathering up body parts of the shattered bodies.

Yassin founded Hamas in 1987. He was held in Israeli prisons for several years before being released in 1994.

In September 2002, Yassin escapes Israeli missile strike on Gaza building with a small wound on his hand.

lucky wilbury
03-22-2004, 01:20 AM
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/407399.html

Hamas: Sharon has opened the gates of hell

By News Agencies and Haaretz Service



Hamas leaders vowed Monday to "cut off" the head of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, after their spiritual leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin was killed in a missile strike by Israeli helicopter gunships in Gaza City.

"Sharon has opened the gates of hell and nothing will stop us from cutting off his head," leaders of the radical Islamic group vowed.

"Words cannot describe the emotion of anger and hate inside our hearts," said Hamas official Ismail Haniyeh, a close associate of Yassin in Gaza.

Tens of thousands of Palestinians, many in tears, poured into Gaza City streets. Gunmen fired into the air and militants threw dozens of pipe-bombs to express their outrage. The Palestinian Authority declared three days of mourning.

Palestinian Authority officials condemned the attack. "This is a crazy and very dangerous act. It opens the door wide to chaos. Yassin is known for his moderation and he was controlling Hamas and therefore this is a dangerous, cowardly act," said Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia.

"Assassinations, incursions, walls, will not produce peace and security, on the contrary, it will just add fuel to the fire," said Cabinet Minister Saeb Erekat.

Sufyan Abu Zaydeh, a Palestinian Authority official, said the killing of Yassin was reminiscent of Israel's assassination of Hamas bombmaker Yehiye Ayash in Gaza in January 1996. Hamas responded to the killing of Ayash, nicknamed "The Engineer" by Israel, with a series of deadly suicide bombings inside Israel that killed close to sixty people in the space of 10 days. Yassin's killing, Abu Zaydeh said, would spark "a harsh wave of attacks."

Deputy Israeli Defense Minister Ze'ev Boim told Israel Radio on Monday morning that the Yassin had been "marked for death." He said "Yassin and the others were behind the terror framework in the Gaza Strip."

FORD
03-22-2004, 02:21 AM
Blowing up an old man in a wheelchair as he's coming out of a mosque??

Talk about a PR disaster!

Even Sharon the world's luckiest butcher ain't gonna survive the repercussions of this one.

I'll bet the Hamas guy was ready to talk to the press and remind them of who created Hamas in the first place. (Just like Al Qaeda, they were an "inside job" that got a little out of control)

FORD
03-22-2004, 04:03 AM
BTW, the real reason for this being done tonight is obvious. Every time the BCE is about to get a well deserved shitstorm of bad press, they manage to create a media distraction.

And if you saw 60 minutes tonight, you know Junior and the PNAC'ers have a shitload of bad press coming. I'm thinking Wolfoshithead called in a favor from his uncle Sharon the Butcher to create a media distraction.

BigBadBrian
03-22-2004, 08:19 AM
Originally posted by FORD
BTW, the real reason for this being done tonight is obvious. Every time the BCE is about to get a well deserved shitstorm of bad press, they manage to create a media distraction.

And if you saw 60 minutes tonight, you know Junior and the PNAC'ers have a shitload of bad press coming. I'm thinking Wolfoshithead called in a favor from his uncle Sharon the Butcher to create a media distraction.

Tin Foil Beanie Time. :gulp:

BigBadBrian
03-22-2004, 08:23 AM
Originally posted by FORD
Blowing up an old man in a wheelchair as he's coming out of a mosque??



Big Fucking deal. A terrorist is a terrorist, whether he's disabled or not. How about the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade assassinating the wrong guy the other day? They killed another Palestinian. That is funny! :D :gulp:

ELVIS
03-22-2004, 08:48 AM
Terrorists have feelings too right FORD ??

John Ashcroft
03-22-2004, 08:51 AM
Yeah, no shit. So who holds stereotypes of the handicapped here? Liberal or Conservative?

I guess because he was in a wheel chair he was useless, right Ford?

ELVIS
03-22-2004, 09:02 AM
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39948000/jpg/_39948549_blood203.jpg

BigBadBrian
03-22-2004, 09:29 AM
Originally posted by ELVIS
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39948000/jpg/_39948549_blood203.jpg

That cockroach just got stepped on. :D

Seshmeister
03-22-2004, 09:52 AM
That looks like a sore one...

Seshmeister
03-22-2004, 09:55 AM
Just what we need - another martyr.

Dr. Love
03-22-2004, 10:42 AM
Yeah. I don't have a problem with the guy being killed, if he's a terrorist, fuck him.

But I'm still trying to see how this is going to help the situation. Palestinians are going to keep on killing Israelis (probably more so now) and Israelis are going to keep on killing Palestinians (probably more in retaliation to the retalitory attack against the retalitory attack which was in retaliation for ... you get the point).

Oh well, It'll only end when one side completely exterminates the other.

John Ashcroft
03-22-2004, 11:23 AM
Exactly. It will end when, and only when there is a clear winner. This supposed "stalemate" has directly led to casualy after casualty.

And remember, Clinton brokered a deal to give the "Palestinians" almost ever thing they supposedly wanted, only to have Arafat turn it down (of course, the destruction of Israel is what they really want. The "homeland" bullshit is just that). So much for appeasment, right guys?

Cathedral
03-22-2004, 12:27 PM
It's not just Israel folks, Hamas has vowed retaliation against them AND the US......
They believe we had a hand in it whether it's true or not and that's not good for American Interests or Citzens.

I don't subscribe to the Tin Foil Hat theory either but this is going to hurt our county as well no matter what the facts are.

They trust facts even less than an American Democrat.

John Ashcroft
03-22-2004, 02:03 PM
And I say bring it on. Truthfully, I don't know why we've declared war on terrorists, with the exception of palestinian terrorists. They should all be hunted down and exterminated. I've asked in another thread, but I'll ask again here. Where has diplomacy with terrorists gotten us?

BigBadBrian
03-22-2004, 02:07 PM
Originally posted by Dr. Love


Oh well, It'll only end when one side completely exterminates the other.

Exactly, and the IDF missed a hell of an opportunity by not exterminating more of these bastards at this terrorist's funeral. :gulp:

lucky wilbury
03-22-2004, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
Tin Foil Beanie Time. :gulp:

he doesn't need a tin foil beniie he live in a tin foil apartment

lucky wilbury
03-22-2004, 02:20 PM
:D

lucky wilbury
03-22-2004, 02:20 PM
:eek:

Seshmeister
03-22-2004, 03:34 PM
Blair condemns Hamas chief death


No 10 has condemned the killing of Ahmed Yassin as "a setback... there is no point in pretending otherwise".

The spiritual head of the Palestinian militant group Hamas died after being hit by an Israeli missile.

The attack which came as the leader returned from a mosque in Gaza, also killed eight others and wounded many. The killing has sparked huge protests.

Tony Blair's official spokesman said: "It goes without saying that the PM condemns today's killings."

He added: "We repeatedly made clear our opposition to Israel's use of targeted killings, but equally we recognise Israel's right to protect itself from terror.

"But any steps should be within international law and should not be disproportionate or excessive."

No carte blanche

Earlier, Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, who is in Brussels for EU talks on counter-terrorism, called for restraint on both sides.

"All of us understand Israel's need to defend itself against terrorism which affects it, within international law."

The only resolution of the problem in the Middle East is going to be through talks and that solution is further away now than ever

But he said this did not entitle Israel to carry out "this kind of unlawful killing, which we all condemn".

FORD
03-22-2004, 03:47 PM
Good for the Poodle. Now does Junior have any comments?

And will Judas IsKerryot tear himself away from the bunny slope long enough to make a statement?

lucky wilbury
03-22-2004, 03:59 PM
will all the europeans condemn the death of obl? nevermind we know the answer to that and its yes. this guy was hamas version of obl.

John Ashcroft
03-22-2004, 04:21 PM
Notice also that Sesh and Ford normally despise "Poodle boy" Tony Blair... That is until trying to use his words for political points.

And where has appeasement of these types gotten Israel? Still waiting for that answer...

Jerry Falwell
03-22-2004, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by John Ashcroft
Notice also that Sesh and Ford normally despise "Poodle boy" Tony Blair... That is until trying to use his words for political points.

And where has appeasement of these types gotten Israel? Still waiting for that answer...
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ABSOLUTELY NO WHERE! FOR THOSE WHO ACTUALLY PUT MERIT IN THE BIBLE, CONSIDER THIS. GOD ORDERED THE ISRAELITES TO DRIVE OUT THE DESCENDANTS OF CANAAN FROM THE LAND, AND TO UTTERLY DESTROY THOSE WHO REFUSED TO LEAVE PEACEFULLY. THIS WAS THE FULFILLMENT OF THE CURSE THAT THEIR FOREFATHERS HAD AGREED TO. THE ISRAELITES WERE ALSO COMMANDED BY GOD NOT TO MAKE ANY TREATIES, OR INTERMARRY WITH THOSE WHO WERE LIVING IN THE LAND.

Exodus 34:12-16 Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land where you are going, or they will be a snare among you. For when they prostitute themselves to their gods. and sacrifice to them, they will invite you and you will eat their sacrifices. And when you choose some of their daughters as wives for your sons and those daughters prostitute themselves to their gods, they will lead your sons to do the same.

Numbers 33:51 & 56 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'When you cross the Jordan into Canaan, drive out all the inhabitants of the land before you. "'But if you do not drive out the inhabitants of the land, those you allow to remain will become barbs in your eyes and thorns in your sides. They will give you trouble in the land where you will live. "

IF THE ISRAELITES ALLOWED THE CANAANITES TO REMAIN IN THE LAND THEY WOULD BECOME LIKE BARBS IN THEIR EYES AND THORNS IN THEIR SIDES, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED IN THE GAZA AREA, AND CONTINUES UNTIL THIS PRESENT DAY.

Satan
03-22-2004, 08:22 PM
Originally posted by Jerry Falwell
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ABSOLUTELY NO WHERE! FOR THOSE WHO ACTUALLY PUT MERIT IN THE BIBLE, CONSIDER THIS. GOD ORDERED THE ISRAELITES TO DRIVE OUT THE DESCENDANTS OF CANAAN FROM THE LAND, AND TO UTTERLY DESTROY THOSE WHO REFUSED TO LEAVE PEACEFULLY. THIS WAS THE FULFILLMENT OF THE CURSE THAT THEIR FOREFATHERS HAD AGREED TO. THE ISRAELITES WERE ALSO COMMANDED BY GOD NOT TO MAKE ANY TREATIES, OR INTERMARRY WITH THOSE WHO WERE LIVING IN THE LAND.

Exodus 34:12-16 Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land where you are going, or they will be a snare among you. For when they prostitute themselves to their gods. and sacrifice to them, they will invite you and you will eat their sacrifices. And when you choose some of their daughters as wives for your sons and those daughters prostitute themselves to their gods, they will lead your sons to do the same.

Numbers 33:51 & 56 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'When you cross the Jordan into Canaan, drive out all the inhabitants of the land before you. "'But if you do not drive out the inhabitants of the land, those you allow to remain will become barbs in your eyes and thorns in your sides. They will give you trouble in the land where you will live. "

IF THE ISRAELITES ALLOWED THE CANAANITES TO REMAIN IN THE LAND THEY WOULD BECOME LIKE BARBS IN THEIR EYES AND THORNS IN THEIR SIDES, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED IN THE GAZA AREA, AND CONTINUES UNTIL THIS PRESENT DAY.


You can't use the ancient history to apply to today's situation, Reverend. Take it from someone such as my Most Unholy self, who witnessed all of this history first hand. Or first horn, in my case.

The Jews rejected the Messiah who Big Daddy sent them, so He said "screw you guys" and allowed the Romans to boot them out of the land about 36 years or so after JC took the great cosmic escalator back to His Daddy's place.

Now granted, God told Ezekiel that the Jews would come back some day, and that it would be right after they went through some seriously heavy shit (Ezekiel 37), but at no time did the Big G say that he was going to hold their places while they wandered aimlessly all over the globe. He gave the land to some others, just as JC hinted would happen in one of those parables He was always quoting.

So those folks have lived there for 2000 years. Now even for a Devil who's been around since day one, that's a pretty good chunk of time. I would say the Palestinians are justified in claiming their rights to the land.

I see you are in Oklahoma. How would you like it if the native Americans drove a bulldozer through your house and demanded that you get off THEIR land??

Think you might consider taking one or two of them out and sending them down to me?

Seshmeister
03-22-2004, 09:14 PM
Originally posted by John Ashcroft
Notice also that Sesh and Ford normally despise "Poodle boy" Tony Blair... That is until trying to use his words for political points.

And where has appeasement of these types gotten Israel? Still waiting for that answer...

I don't despise Blair but like most people over here I don't trust his judgement any more.

The point is that every country in the world apart from the US has condemned this illegal assasination.

Where has murdering Palestinians got Israel.

And more importantly where has the US fear of it's Jewish lobby got it?

Israel is in the wrong, it's defied UN resolutions for 30 years.

Cheers!

:gulp:

Jerry Falwell
03-23-2004, 12:39 AM
Originally posted by Satan
You can't use the ancient history to apply to today's situation, Reverend.
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I see you are in Oklahoma. How would you like it if the native Americans drove a bulldozer through your house and demanded that you get off THEIR land??

Think you might consider taking one or two of them out and sending them down to me?
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First off Ford,
When discussing spiritual warfare in the world (not sure if you acknowledge that any such thing exists), then nothing is more pertinant than ancient history! It's a lasting war that's roots go back to satan getting his pride busted and put in his place. Naturally, he wants to cause as much destruction as possible for the short time that he has free reign on this current earth.
Second,
Being that a BIG part of my heritage is the Shawnee Tribe... I do not believe that the native american peoples are God's people. Therefore, we don't have any special Biblical command to keep others off of our land. Not to mention, that our way of life (education, health, living conditions) are much better now that "outsiders" have "taken" our land and advanced our cultures. Me personally, I am grateful! I don't agree with how it was done, but I am greatful none-the-less. Again, by nature, the general native american group serves a master or masters that are not God the Father or His Son. So they don't have the same privelages that God gave to the Isrielites.
You seem to have some understanding of His word, I would challenge you to dig deaper...
God Bless,
Jerry :)

ELVIS
03-23-2004, 09:39 AM
Originally posted by Jerry Falwell
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First off Ford,
When discussing spiritual warfare in the world (not sure if you acknowledge that any such thing exists), then nothing is more pertinant than ancient history!


FORD says he's a Christian but he doubts the Bible.. implying that biblical truths have been twisted to fit the political agendas of the time...

ELVIS
03-23-2004, 09:43 AM
Originally posted by Jerry Falwell
I do not believe that the native american peoples are God's people.


Then who's ??

We are ALL God's people...

FORD
03-23-2004, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by ELVIS
FORD says he's a Christian but he doubts the Bible.. implying that biblical truths have been twisted to fit the political agendas of the time...

When did I ever say that? :confused:

It IS true that you need to take a book that was written 2000 years ago (some of it even before that) in the proper historical context and the fact that the people of those times didn't know a lot about science, biology, or how the world works in general. There's nothing political about that, it's simply a fact.

The things that are truly important in the Bible are things that are NOT altered by historical perspective. Jesus Christ's life, death, and resurrection could have happenned any time in history and it probably wouldn't have been any different, except for crucifixion as a method of death, since that was only a Roman practice. Who knows, maybe God picked it just because He thought a cross was a much cooler symbol than a guillotine?

Eyes of the Night
03-23-2004, 11:18 AM
This thread's a trip ... insightful indeed ...



:gulp:

Seshmeister
03-23-2004, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by ELVIS
FORD says he's a Christian but he doubts the Bible.. implying that biblical truths have been twisted to fit the political agendas of the time...

Am I inferring that you are implying it hasn't?

If so you should go read some medieval history.

Cheers!

:gulp:

Jerry Falwell
03-23-2004, 02:29 PM
In reference to "We are all God's people".........

Very True... however, I believe that the Jews hold a special place in God's heart. That's what I actually meant, sorry for that. The Bible shows many different passages that reflect God's admiration for the Jewish community. We (Non-Jewish Christians) are covered by Christ's blood as well. But, God specifically gave the Jews certain "orders" ,if you will, that he hasn't ever given gentiles. They are the "root" of the faith and we were simply grafted into the family. Even though a majority of their community refuses Jesus as Messiah, they still have a special protection from God (I believe).

Romans 11:17-22 "If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. You will say, 'the branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.' Granted, but they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either. Consider, therefore, the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.

Jerry Falwell
03-23-2004, 02:38 PM
BTW, Ford,

I am still floored sometimes by science and biology. Most people in these fields are very much "see it to believe it" people. They have a very hard time with the concept of Faith. This said, they have tried for years to disprove the Bible or contents within it. But, I have never seen any actual evidence that could disprove any of the events that have historically taken place in the Bible.

BigBadBrian
03-23-2004, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by Seshmeister
Am I inferring that you are implying it hasn't?

If so you should go read some medieval history.

Cheers!

:gulp:

So some accounts wrong but others from those periods are correct....is that it? Amazing. :gulp:

knuckleboner
03-23-2004, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by Jerry Falwell
But, I have never seen any actual evidence that could disprove any of the events that have historically taken place in the Bible.

other than the earth being a bit older than 6,000 some odd years?

BigBadBrian
03-23-2004, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by knuckleboner
other than the earth being a bit older than 6,000 some odd years?

I don't believe you read that anywhere in the Bible.

John Ashcroft
03-23-2004, 03:13 PM
Not to mention isn't carbon dating verified by which sedimentary layer the material was found in? I've heard it's quite an inexact science.

FORD
03-23-2004, 03:19 PM
Originally posted by Jerry Falwell
BTW, Ford,

I am still floored sometimes by science and biology. Most people in these fields are very much "see it to believe it" people. They have a very hard time with the concept of Faith. This said, they have tried for years to disprove the Bible or contents within it. But, I have never seen any actual evidence that could disprove any of the events that have historically taken place in the Bible.

Well, actually I was referring to things which are implied or actually stated in the Bible that are obviously the result of ignorance. Not willing ignorance, mind you, but ignorant of realities they had no concept of.

The writers of the Bible considered the earth to be the center of the universe, with the sun and moon being merely lights that God placed in the sky for their convenience. If you were to travel back in time and attempt to explain to them that in fact the sun was much larger than the earth and the earth revolved around the sun, they would call you a blasphemer.

Were they wrong? Obviously. But they didn't have the means to prove otherwise. Likewise with the references to the earth being God's footstool, or anything implying the planet was a flat surface with 4 literal corners.

The things in the Bible which truly matter, such as the 10 commandments and the teachings of Jesus Christ, these are not altered by the historical perspective. We may have the Bush Criminal Empire instead of the Roman Empire, but that doesn't change the Sermon on the Mount by one word.

Killing, stealing, and adultery are still wrong. So's taking the Lord's name in vain, and admittedly that's a habit I'm trying to break :(

But I don't worry about spending eternity in Hell because I shaved this morning, or because I ate bacon for breakfast. Or if one of my shirts isn't 100% cotton. More power to Jews and Muslims if they choose to carry on the tradition of the Kosher diet (or Hilal as it's called in Islam - same rules apply) . I even know some Jews who celebrate Easter, including eating ham for dinner. No offense to any Orthodox and/or Hassidics who may be present, but I don't believe such things are required of us these days. For one thing, food storage and preparation is a lot safer now than it was 4000 years ago with no refrigeration or meat thermometers to tell you when your pork was completely cooked.

FORD
03-23-2004, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by BigBadBrian
I don't believe you read that anywhere in the Bible.

It's implied by those who take the Bible absolutely literally.

Adam to Moses - 2000 years

Moses to Christ - 2000 years

Christ's ascension to His return - 2000 years

Figure in the fact that God spent 6 days creating the earth and then rested on the 7th, and the verses in the bible which state "a day is like a thousand years with God" and the plan, as reveled in Daniel's prophecy is that the 6 "days" are as described above, and the 7th "day" would be the millenial reign of Jesus Christ.

Now the calendars aren't completely accurate. Jesus is thought to have actually been born in 3 or 4 BC. We know that He was 33 years old when he was crucified and after His resurrection, ascended to the Father after spending another month or so with the Apostles. So late spring of AD 30 or thereabouts, JC returned to Heaven, and the "last" 2000 year cycle officially began. I'm not sure how literal these 2000 year periods are though, because at the rate the shit has accelerated over the last 3 years thanks to the BCE and their buddy Sharon, I don't see another 26 years happening. Unless this bullshit stops, we will be lucky to survive another decade on this planet. :(

Jerry Falwell
03-23-2004, 03:53 PM
FORD, YOU ARE PARTIALLY RIGHT. LET ME HELP YOU OUT A LITTLE....
THIS WILL BE A LITTLE LENGTHY, SO PLEASE BE PATIENT :)

IT IS INDICATED IN THE BIBLE THAT THE HISTORY OF THE DESCENDANTS OF ADAM LIVING ON THE EARTH WILL LAST FOR SIX THOUSAND YEARS, FOLLOWED BY 1000 YEARS OF PEACE UNDER THE RULE OF JESUS CHRIST. THROUGH THE CALCULATION OF THE AGES OF THE BIBLICAL PATRIARCH'S WE CAN DETERMINE THAT THERE WERE 2000 YEARS FROM THE CREATION OF ADAM TO THE CALL OF ABRAHAM, AND 2000 YEARS FROM THE CALL OF ABRAHAM UNTIL THE TIME THAT JESUS BEGAN HIS MINISTRY. THIS INDICATES THAT THERE WILL BE ANOTHER PERIOD OF 2000 YEARS FROM THE TIME OF THE MINISTRY OF JESUS UNTIL HIS SECOND COMING. THE SUM OF THE THREE 2000 YEAR TIME PERIODS WILL BE 6000 YEARS. AS WE APPROACH THE YEAR 2000 MANY PREACHERS AND PROPHECY STUDENTS ARE TEACHING THAT THE 6000 YEARS ARE ALMOST FINISHED AND THAT CHRIST WILL RETURN ON OR BEFORE THE YEAR 2000. THEY HAVE OVERLOOKED THE FACT THAT OUR CALENDAR IS IN ERROR BY ABOUT 30 YEARS BECAUSE IT WAS SET BACK TO ZERO ON THE YEAR THAT CHRIST WAS BORN, RATHER THAN ON THE YEAR THAT HE BEGAN HIS MINISTRY. BIBLICAL RESEARCHERS HAVE ALSO DISCOVERED THAT THE FIRST 4000 YEARS OF HISTORY WERE NOT COMPLETED UNTIL THE DAY CHRIST WAS BAPTIZED IN THE JORDAN RIVER BY JOHN THE BAPTIST. THE SCRIPTURES STATE THAT JESUS WAS ABOUT THIRTY YEARS OLD AT THIS TIME.

Luke 3:21-23 When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as he was praying, heaven was opened and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: "You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased." Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry.

THIRTY IS THE AGE THAT GOD HAS DETERMINED AS THE TIME WHEN A MAN IS BOTH LEARNED AND EXPERIENCED ENOUGH TO ENTER INTO THE SERVICE OF THE LORD AS A PRIEST OR A KING.

Genesis 41:46 Joseph was thirty years old when he entered the service of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

2 Samuel 5:4 David was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned forty years.

THE FIRST 4000 YEARS WERE NOT COMPLETED UNTIL THE MOMENT THAT CHRIST WAS BAPTIZED BY JOHN AT THIRTY YEARS OF AGE. IF CHRIST WAS BORN IN 4 BC, THEN THE 6000 YEARS WILL NOT BE COMPLETED UNTIL ABOUT 2026. THE YEAR 2000 ON OUR CALENDAR IS REALLY ONLY THE YEAR 1970. WHEN THE YEAR 2000 ARRIVES WE WILL ONLY HAVE ACHIEVED 5,970 YEARS OF HUMAN HISTORY, NOT 6000. WE WILL STILL HAVE ABOUT 30 MORE YEARS BEFORE THE 6000 YEARS ARE COMPLETED.

2 Peter 3:2-4 & 8-9 I want you to recall the words spoken in the past by the holy prophets and the command given by our Lord and Savior through your apostles. First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

NOTICE THE CLUE THAT PETER GIVES US, THAT A DAY IS TO THE LORD LIKE A THOUSAND YEARS. THESE FUTURE SCOFFERS WILL FORGET THAT WE ARE COUNTING TIME ON THE ROMAN CALENDAR, WHICH IS ABOUT 30 YEARS AHEAD OF GOD'S CALENDAR. GOD'S CALENDAR FOR HUMAN EVENTS BEGAN ON THE DAY AND THE HOUR THAT HE CREATED ADAM. ONE OF THE KEYS TO UNDERSTANDING THE BIBLE IN GENERAL, AND PROPHECY IN PARTICULAR, IS TO UNDERSTAND THAT GOD IS A MATHEMATICAL GOD. THROUGHOUT THE BIBLE HE CONSTANTLY USES THE SAME NUMBERS AND NUMBER COMBINATIONS TO SYMBOLIZE VARIOUS THEMES. THE NUMBERS SIX, SEVEN, AND EIGHT ARE FREQUENTLY USED BY GOD TO REPRESENT PROPHETIC THEMES.

Jerry Falwell
03-23-2004, 03:55 PM
PS- FOOD FOR THOUGHT........

THE 7000 YEAR THEORY OF GOD'S PROGRAM FOR MANKIND DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE EARTH AND THE UNIVERSE ARE ONLY 6000 YEARS OLD. THE EARTH AND THE UNIVERSE MAY BE MILLIONS OR BILLIONS OF YEARS OLD, AS THEY WERE CREATED "IN THE BEGINNING." THE LORD CREATED AND PLACED HUMAN LIFE, DESCENDED FROM ADAM AND HIS WIFE, ON EARTH ABOUT 6000 YEARS AGO.

Jerry Falwell
03-23-2004, 04:07 PM
Sorry about the caps everyone... JA was kind enough to fill me in on forum etiquette. I'm still a baby to forums :o .

knuckleboner
03-23-2004, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by Jerry Falwell
THE LORD CREATED AND PLACED HUMAN LIFE, DESCENDED FROM ADAM AND HIS WIFE, ON EARTH ABOUT 6000 YEARS AGO.

except that we have MANY examples of humans around more than 6,000 years ago.

personally, i look at genesis like a parable. the main point is that God created us intentionally. HOW He did that (whether by creating adam from dust 6,000 years ago, or by starting the big bang 15 billion years ago) differs depending on how you view genesis.



and, mr. AG, carbon dating's actually pretty good if you use it for what it's intended for link (http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~lindsay/creation/carbon.html).

however, there are other ways of seeing if humans are 6000 years old.

i mean, there's plenty of evidence of egyptian culture around by 5000 B.C.

that doesn't mean God didn't create things. it just means He didn't do it 6000 years ago.

ELVIS
03-23-2004, 06:25 PM
Hey Jerry.. Explain to FORD how homosexuality is wrong by God...

Jerry Falwell
03-23-2004, 06:33 PM
Are you being sarcastic Elvis, or do you really want me to do that?

ELVIS
03-23-2004, 06:35 PM
I was serious.. but I just saw it in the other thread...:)