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pete
08-01-2004, 12:55 PM
VH1 10 mil
VHII 5 mil
WACF 3 mil
FW 2 mil
DD 4 mil
1984 10 mil

5150 6 mil
0U812 4 mil
FUCK 3 mil
LRHRN 2 mil
BALANCE 3 mil

azcrdnal
08-03-2004, 12:47 AM
hmmm

azcrdnal
08-03-2004, 12:50 AM
hmm

pete
08-04-2004, 09:32 PM
smaller

DeadOrAlive
08-04-2004, 09:46 PM
wel....

DeadOrAlive
08-04-2004, 09:48 PM
*well...

DeadOrAlive
08-04-2004, 09:48 PM
stupid mistake on my part!

DeadOrAlive
08-04-2004, 09:49 PM
I think I should retake spelling in first grade.

Thetruthbaby
08-13-2004, 12:13 PM
ACTUALLY these are the most RECENT numbers from the R.I.A.A. as VH had some titles re-certified in May of this year that obviously have not been updated by VH. Here are the most recent numbers:

VH1 10 mil
VHII 5 mil
WACF 3 mil
FW 2 mil
DD 4 mil
1984 10 mil

5150 6 mil
0U812 4 mil
FUCK 3 mil
LRHRN 2 mil
BALANCE 3 mil

ROTH 34 MILLION hagar 18 million. It's not even close. You can check the RIAA site for the numbers, they're up there. Just thought I'd post the most recent info.

DeadOrAlive
08-13-2004, 10:49 PM
Good job, both of you guys!

WolfStar999
08-16-2004, 12:50 AM
Actually, I got Roth-era VH selling 37 million...(over 2x as many albums sold as Van Hagar- SUCK ON THAT, ALICE & EDWINA!!!)

DeadOrAlive
08-16-2004, 01:13 AM
37 MILLION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ClubDave
08-26-2004, 06:19 PM
how the fuck has balance only sold 3 million copies..........that album rules!!!!!!!!!!!

Big Troubles
10-06-2004, 10:36 PM
:rolleyes:

Bob_R
10-07-2004, 08:10 AM
Originally posted by Thetruthbaby
ACTUALLY these are the most RECENT numbers from the R.I.A.A. as VH had some titles re-certified in May of this year that obviously have not been updated by VH. Here are the most recent numbers:

VH1 10 mil
VHII 5 mil
WACF 3 mil
FW 2 mil
DD 4 mil
1984 10 mil

5150 6 mil
0U812 4 mil
FUCK 3 mil
LRHRN 2 mil
BALANCE 3 mil

ROTH 34 MILLION hagar 18 million. It's not even close. You can check the RIAA site for the numbers, they're up there. Just thought I'd post the most recent info.

VH1 and 1984 alone outsell the whole Hagar catalog!!

Big Troubles
10-07-2004, 09:21 AM
Van Halen outsells Van Hagar for the obvious reason of it being good rock n roll. Cut n Dry. Van Hagar boasts more #1 hits? Simple pimple. When Sam joined the band, thats when they actually tried to capture the #1 spots all the time. They then began making music that was radio friendly and thought about the $$$, instead of thinking about the fan base. They sold themselves to the record industry when Dave left. Dave still did the "shoo bopping" and making ahead of its time music and video despite the industry and their finger shaking at him.
Van Halen gained in popularity and lost their integrity. Remember when Van Halen used to mean something? Remember Dave in interviews saying, "VH music makes you feel like you are apart of the band and its creation- you were Van Halenized!"

Warham
10-07-2004, 05:53 PM
Anybody that says Balance rules should be immediately ejected from said premises without prejudice.

Matt White
10-07-2004, 06:15 PM
BALANCE SUCKS DOG BALLS!!!!

FUCK YOU Van HAgar SHEEP!!!

sambo
10-07-2004, 08:44 PM
"Wham bam Amsterdam, stone you like nothing else can" ???? wtf?

fuck you Hagar, you wrecked another potentially great song... story of your life with VH.

At least it wasn't about love...

steggo
10-13-2004, 03:06 AM
Balance wasnt all that bad,
there were definitely had low points....

Aftershock was an ok song, a lot harder than previous material

his lyrics are a little juvenile though....
i agree with sambo

spmusicplyr
10-13-2004, 03:13 AM
where is that, riaa.com?

why does sammy always say he sold more than dlr? its nearly a fuckin 2 to 1 ratio

diamondsgirl
10-17-2004, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by spmusicplyr

why does sammy always say he sold more than dlr?

because he's a delusional asshole :mad:

stilleddiesangel
10-23-2004, 08:35 AM
Ok... eject me cos balance is a good album in parts. Take away the pussy bits.. csly etc and the lyrics from Amsterdam.. piss poor by anyones standard.. including Ed's and the music is fucking good. VH's best music always came from friction. The greatest classic VH music came with Fair Warning. An album that surpasses anything before and since.. simply cannot be beaten.

As for the stats, I aint crying cos I helped make them. Bought ALL Classic VH twice, some three times, on record and CD... ex bastard husband stole my VH and left UFO/Schenker.. never a better reason to divorce!!

Panamark
10-24-2004, 07:47 AM
If it wasnt for the biggest selling album of all time, Michael Jackson's thriller. Van Halen would have had the number one album of the year.
Throw that at the Spamsters that say we all bought the albums
multiple times, and thats why there is better figures for Dave.

Did we all buy three copies of 1984 when it was released ??

No.... So Fuck off Spamsters..

stilleddiesangel
10-24-2004, 09:41 AM
Panamark.. thats not what I was saying. Fact is when they're that good, when I had the chance to get them in a better format, I did. If they are remastered, I will again. When music becomes a part of our history, of who you are, thats what you do.

Vivian Campbell
11-02-2004, 02:06 PM
Diver Down outsold Fair Warning?! That's just plain wrong.

RogueHorseman
11-20-2004, 10:47 PM
Originally posted by Vivian Campbell
Diver Down outsold Fair Warning?! That's just plain wrong.

Well, it didn't have a Top 40 single, see. Pretty Woman and Dancing In The Streets drove a lot of sales of DD to the great unwashed.

FW has actually shown increasingly higher than average post-peak yearly sales. This is due to Unchained growing in popularity more and more over time. To the point of now being a true classic rock radio staple.

Mothereffer
11-21-2004, 07:02 PM
The ONLY fucking reason I can even stand any of the Van Hagar stuff is because of Eddie Fucking VH and Alex. I could listen to them play all day. I hate Hagar. That fat mothereffer.

Oh........I'm the MOTHEREFFER.

flappo
12-22-2004, 09:59 AM
also , don't forget platinum vs release ratio , vh are the numero uno band in the usa

13 releases , 12 mp

any other band even near that ??

flappo
12-22-2004, 10:00 AM
vh3 is the only non mp

struggling to gold status @ 500K

Bad Muthafucker
01-14-2005, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by ClubDave
how the fuck has balance only sold 3 million copies..........that album rules!!!!!!!!!!!

Scratching head in amazement.....

Bad Muthafucker
01-14-2005, 11:35 AM
3 was actually certified gold...if you can believe it.

DLR7884
01-14-2005, 11:46 AM
Originally posted by bad_muthafucker
3 was actually certified gold...if you can believe it.

Well it was popular in the gay community.

DLR7884
Ask Jesterstar.

jero
01-14-2005, 11:48 AM
If you also put the number of sales worldwide with it (Classic VH in Europe (15 mio) en Van Fag (4mio) New Halen (65, the have a large family here in The Netherlands) then it is so clear!

DLR7884
01-14-2005, 11:51 AM
Originally posted by jero
If you also put the number of sales worldwide with it (Classic VH in Europe (15 mio) en Van Fag (4mio) New Halen (65, the have a large family here in The Netherlands) then it is so clear!

Huh?

DLR7884
There was NOTHING clear about that.

UGS
01-14-2005, 01:29 PM
The only reason 5150 sold what it did and went number one was because the band was still riding the wave known as 1984, and some misguided fans didn't realize how shitty the band would become w/o Dave. That (along with the uber shittyness of When it's love, dreams, et al.) explains the drop off in sales for 0u812.

jero
01-14-2005, 02:08 PM
dlr7884

I know, so why even bother start a topic like this?

:-)

DLR7884
01-14-2005, 02:12 PM
Are you the Jero that used to have a Dave website?

DLR7884
I remember visiting it long ago....is it still up?

Carmine
01-14-2005, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by Thetruthbaby

Fair Warning 2 million


That number always shocks me. Only 2 million copies of Fair Warning sold? Blows me away.....

Bob_R
01-14-2005, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by UGS
The only reason 5150 sold what it did and went number one was because the band was still riding the wave known as 1984

Exactly. I'm glad someone finally said it besides me.

Thetruthbaby
01-14-2005, 07:36 PM
Another interesting thing about the numbers is that people all still think that Vhagar had #1 singles. The actual truth is that JUMP is the ONLY #1 hit single VH ever had. WCTBLove did not make it to #1 and neither did WILove. In fact Van Halen had basically as many top 40 singles as Vhagar. I've seen the Billboard Book Of Hits and if memory serves me correct I think they had 1 more top 40 single with hagar than they did with ROTH. People just assume because of the propoganda campaign from Warner & Vhagar at the time that the origianl lineup didn't have many top 40 hits but this isn't true at all. Next time I'm in a bookstore I'll get the info and post it here. Trust me though you will be surprised at just how successful the original lineup was at "Top 40" despite their heavier sound. And again, VAN HALEN's only #1 single was JUMP. Check for yourself if you don't believe.

jero
01-14-2005, 09:22 PM
Originally posted by DLR7884
Are you the Jero that used to have a Dave website?

DLR7884
I remember visiting it long ago....is it still up?

Yep that's me. No is not up anymore. Took it offline when I became a moderator for the offical site in 2000.

Nice that you remember it!

DLR7884
01-17-2005, 11:39 AM
That was a good site, one of the original DLR sites on the web.

DLR7884
You were a moderator for which official site?

jero
01-17-2005, 01:00 PM
Thanx for the compliment Dude!
www.davidleeroth.com was the name, I'm pretty sure you know that one!!!

academic punk
01-17-2005, 01:16 PM
Originally posted by Big Troubles
Van Halen outsells Van Hagar for the obvious reason of it being good rock n roll. Cut n Dry. Van Hagar boasts more #1 hits? Simple pimple. When Sam joined the band, thats when they actually tried to capture the #1 spots all the time. They then began making music that was radio friendly and thought about the $$$, instead of thinking about the fan base. They sold themselves to the record industry when Dave left. Dave still did the "shoo bopping" and making ahead of its time music and video despite the industry and their finger shaking at him.
Van Halen gained in popularity and lost their integrity. Remember when Van Halen used to mean something? Remember Dave in interviews saying, "VH music makes you feel like you are apart of the band and its creation- you were Van Halenized!"


Actually, the REAL reason that Van Hagar had more #1s is b/c in the late 80s Billboard switched their chart counting process to SOUNDSCAN.

SOUNSCAN was a database that was installed directly into record stores registers - as you made the sale it was tabulated. Previously, it was trecord companies as well as stores reporting to Billboard with what was selling. The older procedure was obviously much more susceptible to fraud: if a record company had an interest in making an album a hit, they could easily claim it was more popular than it was.

SOUNDSCAN works like movie theater rankings. That's why these days albums - like movies - generaly start at their highest position and then make their way down, as opposed to pre-soundscan when an album would start low and then crawl its way up.

Roth-era VH would've been CONSISTENTLY opening in the top 5 had SOUNDSCAN been in place in his day.

(still, anything from Hagar outselling Fair Warning is pretty disturbing)(then again, FW had NO singles)

DLR7884
01-17-2005, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by jero
Thanx for the compliment Dude!
www.davidleeroth.com was the name, I'm pretty sure you know that one!!!

You don't still moderate that site do you?

DLR7884
Please say no...

jero
01-17-2005, 03:26 PM
No, when TK and Dave had a fight about a unpaid bill, the site was taken offline. To bad, I had fun doing it!

DLR7884
01-17-2005, 03:28 PM
I bet.

So did you get stiffed too?

DLR7884
?

jero
01-17-2005, 03:32 PM
No man! The only thing is I never heard from those guys again. And it was pretty much work, but as a fan you do those things for nothing!

DLR7884
01-17-2005, 03:38 PM
Guess so.

You should bring your site out of retirement!

DLR7884
:)

jero
01-17-2005, 03:45 PM
I don't know, I don't got as much to offer as this site, also I'm from The netherlands and my English is not that good (the reason why I moderate the international forum at daves official site)

DLR7884
01-17-2005, 03:54 PM
There's forums at Dave's site or were you talking about the past?

DLR7884
What do you think of his website these days?

jero
01-17-2005, 03:57 PM
In the past! No forums right now. Dave's site is nothing anymore!
The Keepers where really good in maintaining the site, but as it always goes, when a bill is not paid (that was really a shame) everything is gone!

jero
01-17-2005, 03:59 PM
http://www.vhnd.com/01dlrtour/dlr010703.shtml

scroll to Jero

Bad Muthafucker
01-20-2005, 05:49 PM
I just had to post this. This is a quote from mother fucking liar Spam Fagar from an interview during the Spam & Dave tour. "He (Dave) was so sure when he left that they'd (Van Halen) shrivel up and die, but we sold 42 million records and sold out every venue for 11 years." What a mother fucking liar!

Big Troubles
01-20-2005, 08:35 PM
dont ya just hate it when Sammy opens his mouth. He talk about nothing positive. Its always what the band did to him, or said about him, or what Dave did or said. This is what makes the man a fool. He should keep things cool. Plus, when he talks album sales, he is totally fucking lost. Dave outsold all Sam Hagar albums. I dont think any Sam Hagar albums made Diamond did they? Twice?? :D

Bill Lumbergh
01-20-2005, 08:53 PM
It's just his insecurities. He knows Dave will go down in history(and go down ON most of the hot young bitches in America), and he will be nothing more than a fat, screeching footnote. Next.

Big Troubles
01-20-2005, 08:57 PM
LOL When he dies, do you think they will need an extra large coffin for his hair doo? :D I was also thinking. I listened to Howard Stern radio download the other day from here, and in it, Howard kept asking if dave would fight Sam? Dave never really did answer the question... Which leads me to this question. Why is this not a main attraction on a PPV? Vince McMahon wants an attraction for Wrestlemania 21, this is it! Live on PPV, Sammy Hagar vs Diamond David Lee Roth. 12 rounds of Boxing/MMA. Id pick Dave in 3 rounds. Sammy Who? :D

Bill Lumbergh
01-20-2005, 08:59 PM
Originally posted by Big Troubles
LOL When he dies, do you think they will need an extra large coffin for his hair doo? :D I was also thinking. I listened to Howard Stern radio download the other day from here, and in it, Howard kept asking if dave would fight Sam? Dave never really did answer the question... Which leads me to this question. Why is this not a main attraction on a PPV? Vince McMahon wants an attraction for Wrestlemania 21, this is it! Live on PPV, Sammy Hagar vs Diamond David Lee Roth. 12 rounds of Boxing/MMA. Id pick Dave in 3 rounds. Sammy Who? :D


Oh fuck, I'd sell my first born to watch that matchup! ;) Sam would come out swingin' , and Dave would just dodge while Sam wears himself out. After about 45 seconds of flailing around, Dave lands a roundhouse kick.....and it's BYE BYE BBAAAABBBBYYYYYY!!!!!!!!! Seriously though, I would pay BIG bucks to see that.

Big Troubles
01-20-2005, 09:02 PM
me too! Im surprised no promoters have tried to book this? Easily Id pay $100. Prob more just for that match alone.

cwsmith17
02-24-2005, 11:52 PM
Originally posted by EVH FANATIC
VH1 and 1984 alone outsell the whole Hagar catalog!!

However, 5150 outsold 4/6 of the Roth era.

cwsmith17
02-24-2005, 11:52 PM
Not that I like the Hagar era.

DLR7884
02-25-2005, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by cwsmith17
However, 5150 outsold 4/6 of the Roth era.

So what?

It was also #1 on the charts.

Does that make it a better than all Dave era albums.

DLR7884
I don't fucking think so.

UNCLAX72
03-10-2005, 02:05 PM
34mil vs 18mil
great job spammy:rolleyes:

Carmine
03-10-2005, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by cwsmith17
However, 5150 outsold 4/6 of the Roth era.

Half of which can be chalked up to curiosity, and the name VAN HALEN, which...they are NOT!

Steve Savicki
03-13-2005, 12:31 AM
Why did Fair Warning only sell 2 million?

Dan
03-13-2005, 01:26 AM
Originally posted by Steve Savicki
Why did Fair Warning only sell 2 million?

Steve,I was thinking the same thing.

Big Troubles
03-25-2005, 06:22 PM
good question. Is that an updated number? Unchained, So this is Love? and Mean Street are fucking spectacular songs. Those are the kind of songs that 20 years from now, will still be talked about when Van Halen is mentioned. RWD, Jump and Panama are also still outshining anything Van Hagar has done.

GAR
03-25-2005, 06:33 PM
Fair Warning's a pretty dark recording..

Big Troubles
03-25-2005, 06:38 PM
absolutely. I think that's the best of Van Halen. The best part for me was "Oh Lord, strike that poor boy down" then Ed's ripping "lightening bolt" guitar playing. Fuckin ace!

Redballjets88
03-28-2005, 11:48 AM
fair warning didnt sale because it didnt have the hits and unless ur a true VH fan your not going to go out and buy an album with no hit songs

Big Troubles
03-28-2005, 12:43 PM
Originally posted by Redballjets88
fair warning didnt sale because it didnt have the hits and unless ur a true VH fan your not going to go out and buy an album with no hit songs

Hmm... When Fair Warning was released the record co. pushed VERY hard, 3 songs. Unchained, So this is Love? and Hear About it Later. All 3 were and still are considered hits. Unchained is played on my radio at least twice a week. I believe FW's original "press kit" featured Sinners Swing as the original "hit" and that 81 tour was was a Sinners swing tour. (again that was the original idea)

The poor sales for FW have nothing to do with a lack of hits. To hardcore fans, its loaded with hits. To casual fans, it may just be one of those albums that didn't "catch on" with main stream media.
:)

Shaun Ponsonby
03-28-2005, 01:40 PM
Fair Warning 2 mil
Balance 3 mil


HOW?

jero
03-28-2005, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by Shaun Ponsonby
Fair Warning 2 mil
Balance 3 mil


HOW?

In the US, but worldwide it is 7.9 against 4.3

Redballjets88
03-28-2005, 02:25 PM
yeah bigtroubles u pretty much restated what i just said

Big Troubles
03-28-2005, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by Redballjets88
yeah bigtroubles u pretty much restated what i just said

actually it was more of a correction. You stated there were no hits. In fact there were 3. ;)

I also added a bit of backstory to the original 1981 tour plan. But ok.

:D

Peace.

Big Troubles
03-28-2005, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by Shaun Ponsonby
Fair Warning 2 mil
Balance 3 mil


HOW?

;) easy.

Any albums sales are usualy determined by what preceeded it. What success did Van Hagar have before Balance compared to what success Van Halen had before FW.

WACF was a mixed bag for most Van Halen fans. Synths were introduced and creativly VH was streaming off their VH1 and VH2 path. Fans might have been unsure about FW.

Right Here/Right Now was a pushed hard CD, filled with live cuts of Sam doing some old VH material and fans might have liked the ide that RHRN was the first live cd VH produced.

Big Troubles
03-28-2005, 03:38 PM
Or.... There are alot of fucking idiots in the world who THOUGHT (past tense) that Van Hagar was better as it went along. But in fact, the album sales prove differently from 1985 on. 5150 carried success from 1984, but after that it dwindled. #'s dont lie.

Loons The Great
12-25-2006, 09:23 PM
I read that Van Halen is up to 56.5 million albums sold in the U.S.

ppg960
01-01-2007, 01:15 AM
Originally posted by jero
In the US, but worldwide it is 7.9 against 4.3

Where does that number come from??
Fair Warning is my favorite. But the highest i've seen it posted for is 2.5 million.:confused:

sadaist
01-01-2007, 01:26 AM
Where can you find global sales numbers?

Dan
01-01-2007, 01:56 AM
Originally posted by sadaist
Where can you find global sales numbers?

I looked up on the Wikipedia and It say between 1978-1998 Van Halen sold 75 million albums WorldWide.

binnie
02-06-2007, 08:36 AM
Originally posted by jero
In the US, but worldwide it is 7.9 against 4.3

That's interesting.

Where are those figures from, I can't find them.

Is there a way of getting full international figures to put the final nail in the Sheep's cofin?

trueblue
02-25-2007, 12:57 PM
If these sales figures for the Roth-era VH and Van Hagar albums are absolutely authentic, then I can only say that it validates what I have believed all along: Sammy Hagar's compulsive and ludicrous bragging about how his years with the mic saw Van Halen become far more 'commercially' successful than the classic, original DLR-era had been was always as bizarre and flat-out untrue as I have always thought it to be.

Hagar's debut with '5150' must have thrown up a couple of candy-rock big hits on radio that were mostly lapped up by newbie VH fans that had known no better. Besides, Sammy never had it so good before he got onto the VH ship and soon made it 'his' best solo band ever.

I reckon even if these figures aren't entirely accurate, there's no denying that the classic Roth-era catalogue of six stellar albums have not only been forever infinitely more admired and loved but surely sold a whole lot more than Van Hagar's litany of candyfloss records ever did.

franksters
03-03-2007, 03:50 PM
what are the figure for Dave solo against Spammy solo or if you prefer without Vh?

bru87tr
03-03-2007, 04:12 PM
its been almost 13 years since RIAA updated sales on FW. I am sure it has doubled just on new fans and old fans buying it again. RIAA is not accurate.

bru87tr
03-03-2007, 04:13 PM
its been 10 years since the S/T got Diamond status.

Antman
03-17-2007, 10:27 PM
It amazes me how FW is the leaset selling of the real VH albums.

chi-town324
04-06-2007, 08:27 PM
Van Halen U.S album sales 56 millionhttp://www.riaa.com/gp/bestsellers/topartists.asp

chi-town324
04-06-2007, 08:29 PM
Top Artists

Totals are derived from cumulative album sales totals (U.S. only)

Artist


Certified Units (in Millions)

BEATLES, THE


169.0

PRESLEY, ELVIS


118.5

BROOKS, GARTH


116.0

LED ZEPPELIN


109.5

EAGLES


91.0

JOEL, BILLY


79.5

PINK FLOYD


73.5

STREISAND, BARBRA


71.0

JOHN, ELTON


69.0

AC/DC


68.0

ROLLING STONES, THE


65.5

AEROSMITH


65.5

MADONNA


63.0

STRAIT, GEORGE


62.5

SPRINGSTEEN, BRUCE


62.5

CAREY, MARIAH


61.5

JACKSON, MICHAEL


60.5

METALLICA


57.0

VAN HALEN


56.5

HOUSTON, WHITNEY


54.0

U2

Polk High
04-06-2007, 10:15 PM
remember VH BOV1 went platinum as well (really a roth album) wherase the hagar greatest hits best of both worlds sold shit

chi-town324
04-13-2007, 08:31 PM
56 mill is impressive

Loons The Great
04-13-2007, 10:05 PM
500 Horses and 56 mill

Atomic Dyver
04-13-2007, 10:24 PM
Originally posted by Bill Lumbergh
It's just his insecurities. He knows Dave will go down in history(and go down ON most of the hot young bitches in America), and he will be nothing more than a fat, screeching footnote. Next.

Fuckin beautifully put.....give that man a beer.

chi-town324
04-21-2007, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by Atomic Dyver
Fuckin beautifully put.....give that man a beer. agreed:D

ace diamond
05-31-2007, 06:43 PM
Originally posted by Warham
Anybody that says Balance rules should be immediately ejected from said premises without prejudice.

DRAG 'EM OUT AND FUCKIN' SHOOT 'EM DOWN!

ace diamond
05-31-2007, 06:44 PM
hang 'em high